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2003-02-11 20:09 | User Profile
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Editorial
Time to look beyond the labels
TO THE country's discredit, making judgments based on religion and ethnicity is a part of everyday reality in Slovakia, and it is reflected in all levels of society and all walks of life.
Three out of four parties of the ruling coalition - the Christian Democratic Movement, the Slovak Democratic and Christian Union, and the Hungarian Coalition Party - use religion or ethnicity in their names. The message to the voters is clear: Vote for us because we share the same god and the same blood.
Because this approach seems to work, it is unlikely to stop in the future. If the Slovak National Party and the Real Slovak National Party manage to unite, it is very likely they will make it into parliament after the next elections. And many more parties use nationalistic rhetoric, although the others do not emblazon their ideology in their names.
Politics aside, many actions in everyday situations are also influenced by ethnicity. Most Slovaks would admit that they hold on to their wallets when getting onto a crowded bus along with a "Gypsy".
In the same way, most Slovaks would admit in private that they consider Jews to be greedy, well organized, and in control of nearly everything. "Jew spotting", attempting to identify Jews in important positions, is a popular game for bored middle-class Slovaks chatting over a beer.
It seems Slovak society is too involved with dealing with more pressing issues to really focus on anti-Semitism or, indeed, intolerance in general. It can only be hoped that the clash of cultures that awaits Slovakia after it joins the EU will lead Slovaks to judge people on criteria other than religion and ethnicity.
2003-02-11 20:50 | User Profile
Slovak Spectator's editor-in-chief: Rachel Salaman
Even the dimmest Slovak should be able to spot that Jewess!
Would you believe that she's one of just 218 Jews in all of Slovakia -- no disproportionate influence there!
2003-02-11 20:53 | User Profile
Great find, but you missed one, Ragno:
[url=http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok.asp?vyd=2003005&rub=spect_feat&cl=11789]http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok.asp?v...t_feat&cl=11789[/url]
Survey shows nearly 20 per cent of Slovaks would not want Jews as neighbours Anti-Semitism a hidden part of Slovak life
By LukÃ¡à ¡ Fila Spectator Staff
NEO-NAZIS rally against Jews. photo. Ján Svrèek
THE OUTRAGE that met the news that 35 Jewish graves had been desecrated in the northwestern Slovak town of Bánovce nad Bebravou in late January may have given the impression that anti-Semitism in Slovakia is limited to neo-Nazis and other fringe groups.
However, behind the closed doors of Slovak homes and in the corners of pubs and coffee houses, there is evidence that strong anti-Jewish sentiment runs deep in this society.
"[Anti-Semitism] is quite widespread, although it doesn't show on the surface that much. It is currently in a latent phase," said Michal Kováè, 22, a management student from Bratislava.
This prejudice is directed at Slovakia's tiny Jewish community, now a fraction of the size it was before the holocaust.
"We can only estimate, but before the second world war there were around 130,000 Jews in Slovakia, now there are roughly 3,000. The largest communities are in Bratislava and Koà ¡ice," said Jaroslav Franek, spokesman for the Federation of Jewish Communities of Slovakia, adding that in Bratislava there are as many as 1,500 Jewish people.
However, in the most recent census, conducted in May 2001, only 218 Slovaks declared their ethnicity to be Jewish. This apparent reluctance to stand up and be counted as a Jew might have something to do with the stigma the ethnic label still carries in Slovakia.
ANTI-JEWISH graffiti can be seen throughout Slovakia. photo. Courtesy of People Against Racism
A survey conducted by the Markant agency released in January 2001 shows that 37 per cent of respondents would disapprove if their daughter decided to marry a Jewish person.
When asked how they would react if a Jew decided to move into their neighbourhood, 19 per cent of those questioned said they would be against it. In Bratislava, the figure was 7 per cent higher than the national average.
Observers identify several reasons for the persistence of anti-Semitic feeling in Slovakia, of which longstanding religious differences are often cited as the most significant.
"[Anti-Semitism] is based on a very strong tradition, greatly influenced by Christianity," said Franek. "There is also jealousy, both intellectual and material, and in the case of Slovaks it is also a matter of ignorance."
That "jealousy" can be seen in a recent article in the Slovak neo-Nazi magazine Edelweiss that states: "No one in today's world has greater power than the manipulators of public opinion in America have at their disposal. These dozen people (and we know very well who they are) rule the American mass media with greater power than any other people in history."
The belief that as an ethnic group Jews have a disproportionate amount of influence in decision making is prevalent throughout Slovak society.
A survey conducted by the Bratislava-based Focus agency for the American Jewish Committee in September 1999 found that 53 per cent of Slovaks believe that the influence of Jews on global events is "too great". However, only 26 per cent felt the same about the impact of Jews in Slovakia.
Prejudice is also apparent in the everyday language of regular Slovaks.
"Anti-Semitism is deeply rooted in all European languages, including Slovak. Expressions such as 'greedy as a Jew' are very common and I must say, even I could make the mistake of saying 'unchristian interest rates' if I was not careful," said Franek.
While many Western countries have rid their vernacular of such racist phrases, political correctness has yet to arrive in Slovakia.
"I hear anti-Semitic statements 20 to 30 times a day," said Kováè.
However, the illicit nature of Slovak anti-Semitism means that Jews seldom hear these comments. According to Franek, people tend to watch their language when they know they are with Jewish people.
"When Slovaks find out that a person is Jewish, they change completely. Suddenly they say things like, 'Well, even Jesus was a Jew,' and they even offer that person coffee - they become almost friendly. I must say I have never encountered any openly offensive or hostile reaction directly from strangers, and I make no secret about the fact that I am Jewish," said Franek.
But while Slovakia's Jews may choose to ignore the undercurrent of anti-Semitism in Slovakia, there are some who feel this prejudice needs to be addressed, along with all other forms of racial or ethnic intolerance.
"We should definitely fight anti-Semitism [in Slovakia]," said Daniel Milo, legal advisor for the NGO People Against Racism.
"There is currently no programme in Slovakia dedicated to stamping out anti-Semitism specifically. The government has an action plan for preventing all forms of discrimination, including racism, xenophobia, and anti-Semitism. I think there should be a campaign that would help destroy the existing myths about Jews," said Milo.
He points out that as a nation, Slovaks have not shown themselves to be particularly understanding about the interests of minority groups.
"There has always been a certain amount of prejudice against other cultures in Slovakia," said Milo.
"Any solution should focus not only on the Jews but on other groups as well. For example, the manner in which the Roma are talked about in the media is not good. Education may help in this respect," he said.
2003-02-11 21:06 | User Profile
The good news is found in the online replies, two of which cite MacDonald:
Reaction to the article: Anti-Semitism a hidden part of Slovak life
Direct reaction to the article
RE: Racisim is a zombie ghost that needs to be laid to rest once and for all. For God's sake people, this is the 21st century! People of low intelligence believe,easily, that some other group of people outside their little gathering create all the misery that they have to suffer. Having a hard time in life? Accuse someone of witchcraft and have them burned at the stake (oh yes, don't forget to take their property and money after they are ashes in the wind). Grab a Jewish person and send them and all their familes and friends off to a death camp to be exterminated(don't spare the children now, you know they will grow up to cause "perfect" you and "decent" people problems later on). You can blame the Roma community for all the rest of your suffering and delete them from the population too. But you know what's going to happen once all these people are eliminated and just "good" people are left? YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE SUFFERING AND HAVING A MISERABLE LIFE because IT'S NOT THEM doing it to you!!!! Life is full of bad times and suffering, but it's that way for EVERYBODY (don't you get it?). You live in a dream world if you think that money buys happiness and other people are the cause of your suffering. WAKE UP AND GET REAL!!!!! Frantisek Z. [IP:212.5.208.68] [2/11/2003 3:31:42 PM]
RE: ...but I see the point in the statements about american mass media miso [IP:158.195.27.31] [2/11/2003 5:09:35 PM]
RE: Jews DO control the media in the USA:
[url=http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america]http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america[/url]
To deny it is either dishonest or simply foolish.
As for Europeans having "anti-semitism deeply engraved into their langauge" -- I think this is an excellent point. Jews have been KICKED OUT of every European country at one time or another. Why? Certainly, EVERYBODY can't be wrong.
If "anti-Semitism" is a disease, it's surely one you catch from Jews.
For an academic study of Jewish Evolutionary Stategy, see:
[url=http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm]http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm[/url] Vratislav [IP:194.228.14.206] [2/11/2003 5:09:52 PM]
RE: Religion is a personal matter, then why not your attitude to other? But forget anti-semitism, this is of no importance in slovakia. I'd focus on gypsies/roma and the hatred connected to their groups - there is much more to write about Mr. Fila. Even the statistics are more interesting. miso [IP:158.195.27.31] [2/11/2003 5:18:40 PM]
RE: No doubt, that anti-semitism is both hidden and overt in Slovakia. It will not be completely eliminated until the whole planet will become one. However, manifestations of racial hatred of any kind in Slovakia is typically a way to express one's displeasure with the "official" behaviour. The prime example is the recent fiasco at the England football match, where the black players were singled out for heckling. It does not help, that the moralizing West sets a bad example. Thus the Spurs soccer team of the English Premier League has supposedly a sizable Jewish fan base. They have to listen to the "Yidos, Yidos" chant for 90 minutes, from the opposing fans. And let's face it... strike up a conversation with a Jew anywhere on the East Coast of the USA. Wery soon the word "schwartze" enters the conversation. IMHO, Slovakia is dealing with racism in an exemplary way... or at least comparable to our neighbors. Sometimes, it is better to let dead dogs lie. Fero Sulzberger Jr. III. [IP:24.194.135.20] [2/11/2003 5:47:00 PM]
RE: From my experience, religion has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I beleive anti-Semitism is rampant among Northern Slavs because the Jewish Commissars under Stalin mass-murdered about 20 million gentiles. You will never hear that in the mass media in the U.S. or Canada because the Jews own all of the news networks and the major newspapers. In Europe, if you say things like this they arrest you and put you in prison. This is why there is anti-Semitism in Europe.
A Russian Jew in the U.S. Justice Dept named Michael Chertoff has just had an old man arrested in the U.S. for questioning how many died during the so-called Holocaust. They said he was being charged with an immigration violation even though there are 20 million illegals in America today. His name is Ernst Zundel and his site is www.zundelsite.org - Looks like the Jews are trying to control and dominate the people of the West just like they did the Slavs under Stalin. Tim [IP:65.58.195.170] [2/11/2003 6:01:18 PM]
RE: You talk about racism? Go to USA or Canada and you will se how they talk about Indians. And for sure you can listen funny words about people from other countries they live in Canada or USA. These funny words are used by white Canadian or Americans who think that Canada or USA belongs to them, it means only people from England. And you know what else? 1933 Hitler came to power in Germany and he sent full boat of Jews to USA. USA sent them back to GERMANY. About 900 people. Can you explain to me why free America sent back those people? Jozef [IP:196.40.65.83] [2/11/2003 6:13:51 PM]
RE: Dear Slovakia: Have traveled in your lovely country and have also sub-specialised in subject of "anti-Semitism." First, anti-Semitism needs to be defined. Most of the World's Semites are Arabs, perhaps as high as 90%, with "Jews" comprising at best perhaps 10% Semites. Second, a more general grasp of the problem is that the most virulent and vicious anti-Semites in the World are themselves "Jews" and this is demonstrated by the anti-Arab ethnic-cleansing perpetrated by Jews since before 1948 against the indigeneous Semito-Palestinians [my own term] by which millions have either been driven out from their homes and lands or killed by Jews or imprisoned in Concentration Camps in the Negev without habeas corpus or trials. Third, the most important question is never asked by journalists or politicians or academics: WHY IS IT THAT WHEREVER IN HUMAN HISTORY THAT JEWS COMPRISE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IN A NON-JEWISH CULTURE, THAT ANTI-JEWISH SENTIMENT [AND ACTION/REACTION] RESULTS??? Fourth, until this question is openly asked and discussed, there will be NO meaningful understanding of the Jewish Problem. I have studied in depth the expulsion of Jews from Spain on August 2, 1492 and can firmly conclude that Jews in general [NOT every single Jew himself/herself] made themselves so odious to the majority Spanish Christian population, that Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand came to the decision that Jews in general had to depart. JEWS who became Christians were allowed to stay--even though the historical record demonstrates that many, if not MOST, of them showed themselves to be duplicitous and sham Christians and created new problems in Spain from 1492 well into the next century. Lastly, the excellent trilogy by Professor Kevin MacDonald on the Jewish Problem, from an evolutionary group identity theory approach, needs to be studied carefully by students and scholars and politicians--I leave out journalists since they rarely study anything in dept!!!
Sincerely,
Robert H. Countess, Ph.D Retired, US Army Chaplain Huntsville, Alabama, USA robert h. countess [IP:165.121.235.185] [2/11/2003 6:28:07 PM]
2003-02-12 00:05 | User Profile
The immediate diagnosis of gentile society made by the first Jew to set foot in Europe:
The message is clear: we share the same god and the same blood. Because this approach seems to work, it is unlikely to stop **in the future. **
And the eternal Jewish prescription that cures the health and strength of host nations:
It can only be hoped that the clash of cultures that awaits **Slovakia ...will lead Slovaks to judge people on criteria other than religion and ethnicity. **
Sail for America, disembark, repeat as necessary.
2003-02-12 00:21 | User Profile
In case anybody has missed it, check out what Ron Lauder and his kosher lieutenants were up to ever since the Czechs overthrew their ruling marxist kleptocracy. [url=http://more.abcnews.go.com/dispatches/bureaus/czechtv/czechtv.html]http://more.abcnews.go.com/dispatches/bure...tv/czechtv.html[/url] [url=http://www.sdtv.gr/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=206]http://www.sdtv.gr/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=206[/url]
2003-02-15 19:56 | User Profile
WM,
You may find Pravda's forum a little bit more bold: [url=http://engforum.pravda.ru]http://engforum.pravda.ru[/url] And if you could read Russian, some online news site's forums are quite risque in terms of their being semitically-incorrect. I believe the Yeltsin's period with its zhid oligarchs and "hate-Russia first" zhid press served as a kind of a innoculation shot in a society previously religiously believing in the fair capitalism and that it didn't matter who and how acquired property and media in the beginning, because in the end the ever fair mechanisms of capitalism would settle everything to everyone's satisfaction.