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2003-02-09 19:34 | User Profile
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A FACULTY THAT LOOKS LIKE AMERICA? One frequent argument that I've heard in favor of race preferences is that disproportion between an institution's racial makeup and the public's is bad because (1) institutions should "look like America" (or "look like California" or some such), (2) this disproportion is powerful evidence that the institution's members were discriminatorily selected, or (3) this disproportion is powerful evidence of a large amount of race discrimination in society at large, even if not in this institution. Thus, for instance, if one considers -- just to take one example that I know well -- the UCLA Law faculty, one sees 62 tenure-ladder active faculty, of whom 4 are black, 1 is Hispanic, and 1 is Asian (under more or less conventional definitions, though of course there's always some ambiguity). According to Census data, about 12% of the U.S. population is black, 12.5% is Hispanic (treating this as a separate group, though I realize that there are Hispanics of all races), and 3.5% is Asian. This means there ought to be roughly 7 black faculty members, 8 Hispanics, and 2 Asians -- and that there isn't is a sign of discrimination, or at least that the faculty doesn't look like America (much less California).
1. Kick out the Jews? But then there's this odd fact: Of the 62 faculty members, at least 29 are ethnically Jewish. Yes, I know there's always some uncertainty, but I'm pretty confident that the number is right around there. That's 47%, though Jews are roughly 2% of the population. My, but the law school does not look like America in that respect. If we really thought we ought to consider race and ethnicity to make the faculty look like America, then we'd need to kick out 28 of us (almost certainly including me). This alone, I think, undermines the argument that race or ethnicity are properly used in trying to make institutions "look like" -- i.e., have the same racial and ethnic mix -- as society at large.
2. The numbers controlling for the anomalously large number of Jews. What's more, this anomalous quantity of Jews necessarily undermines our ability to try to use the numbers as an estimate of the level of discrimination. There might actually be some discrimination in favor of Jews in some contexts, but surely numbers this high aren't caused entirely or even primarily by discrimination; and since Jews are overwhelmingly (though I agree not 100%) white, this anomaly necessarily affects the expected racial makeup of the institution. That one small white subgroup that's 2% of the population makes up nearly 50% of the faculty will necessarily depress the representation of other groups, white and nonwhite, even if there's no discrimination at all.
If we control for the Jewish anomaly by focusing on only the non-Jewish pool, we find that of the 33 likely non-Jewish faculty, about 13% are black, 3% are Hispanic, and 3% are Asian. The disparity between blacks and Asians in the public at large (even setting aside the 2% of the public who are white Jews) and blacks and Asians in the faculty vanishes, and the disparity in the fraction of Hispanics decreases considerably, to the point where it's much more explicable by occasional variation (for instance, one of our Hispanic faculty members just left recently, to work nearer his family).
3. Disparity doesn't equal discrimination. But beyond this, the Jewish anomaly -- and the anomalously high fraction of Asians in other institutions, such as in the student bodies of UC Berkeley, UCLA, and UC Irvine -- suggests that there are many disproportions that are not caused by the institution's discriminating, or even by societal discrimination, unless we think there are some social institutions that systematically engage in vast discrimination in favor of Jews (as compared to other whites) and Asians. If some groups are overrepresented for reasons other than discrimination, then other groups can be underrepresented for reasons other than discrimination -- either just because some other groups are overrepresented (see the previous paragraph), or for other reasons.
Now I'm not denying that there is indeed discrimination against blacks, Hispanics, to some extent Asians, and even to some extent Jews in various parts of American life. There certainly is some such discrimination. But I am denying that "disproportionate representation" should either mandate race-/ethnicity-based remedies on its own (that's the "institutions should look like America" theory) or is a proper measure of the magnitude of actual discrimination.
2003-02-09 21:26 | User Profile
Another reason Jews will be good allies against AA.
2003-02-09 23:09 | User Profile
** Another reason Jews will be good allies against AA.**
Aw geez, dark eddy -- they CREATED it to destroy us! WHY would they consider allying with us against their OWN programs and plans!! Did you MISS the part about the jews creating and RUNNING the NAACP until the 1970s?!
**The NAACP's first president was Arthur Spingarn, and only Jews served as NAACP presidents from its founding until the 1970s ... In the recent Black-Jewish split, liberal Jews are quick to cry foul at Black resentment against them by reciting the fact that the lion's share of the financing of the Black cause has come from Jews. They also boast that at least 90 percent of the civil-rights legal effort has come from Jewish attorneys and has long been supported by Jewish money. ... Almost from the first day of its inception in 1909, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was the premier organization working for a racially mixed American society. Interestingly enough, the founding board of directors had only one prominent Black, W. E. B. Dubois (who was actually a Mulatto). Most of the board consisted of Jewish Marxist ideologues. The U.S. House of Representatives and many state investigative bodies thoroughly documented the fact that all of the NAACP's founders were activists in the Communist cause. Dubois even chose Communist Ghana as his burial site. **
2003-02-10 00:06 | User Profile
Not all Jews think alike. And people can change their minds about the monsters they create.
2003-02-10 02:44 | User Profile
Of 29 jewish college professors, one of them shows a modicum of fairness and you immediately declare the group "good allies". What's wrong with this picture?
2003-02-10 02:54 | User Profile
Sorry, Drakmal, I said that we had some reasons to think Jews will be good allies. Not 'are.'
Beyond that, I am not ruling out the possibility that there are enough other traits of the Jews that will override those traits that predispose them to being good allies. It is just not my judgment that this is the case, based on knowledge of the degree of powers the Jews have (not as much as some on this board think), personal contact with Jews, and skepticism toward predictive social science of the sort offered by MacDonald.
2003-02-10 03:29 | User Profile
**Dark eddy: Not all Jews think alike. And people can change their minds about the monsters they create. ** So, you think there are jews here who will suddenly decide that abortion, feminism, inter-racial marriages and mixed-breed kids, high taxes, high welfare, open borders, sending our soldiers to fight Israel's enemies, sending BILLIONS and BILLIONS of OUR tax dollars to Israel, gun-control in America, hate speech laws, and on and on, are WRONG and so they will start voting AGAINST these things?
How many do you think it is POSSIBLE there will be? 15? 40? Let's be generous, maybe 100? Out of ALL the jews in America, do you think that will make even a drop in the bucket at stopping the destruction THEY have wrought?! How are you going to stop women being feminists and start birthing babies, if the JEWS running the media and the government CONTINUE to brainwash them not to!? How are you going to get the borders closed when the jews control the govt and THEY want the borders open?!
You keep thinking that just because one or two aren't bad, then the rest are okay! Just because ONE pitbull is NOT dangerous to you, does NOT mean that the vast majority of them is not dangerous!! And making a judgement on the basis of the one good one, rather than on the BREED'S TENDENCIES is just plain stupid!
Jews are a different BREED from us and they are doing to us what it is INNATE to their breed to do -- and we ignore that at our peril: just as ignoring the lesser IQ and increased violence of blacks doesn't mean there aren't some intelligent, peaceful ones! But that is NOT a good basis for deciding to go for a walk at night!!!
2003-02-10 03:35 | User Profile
So-called 'self-hating' jews may indeed make good allies, few in numbers though they may be. However, that's a far cry from the somewhat wide statement that "jews will be (or may be) good allies". I seriously doubt any significant percentage of the jewish population will ever support white nationalism or separatism.
I don't really see why you fixate on a tiny and not-well-liked minority of an already small minority as a source of potential allies. One major corporation or a couple of senators on our side would be more valuable than all the good jews in the world.
-D
2003-02-10 04:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 9 2003, 23:09 > ** Another reason Jews will be good allies against AA.
Aw geez, dark eddy -- they CREATED it to destroy us! WHY would they consider allying with us against their OWN programs and plans!! Did you MISS the part about the jews creating and RUNNING the NAACP until the 1970s?!
**
Here's the definitive analysis from Kevin MacDonald of why Jews tend to continue to favor multiculturalism and affirmative action, even though from a superficial analysis (favored by DarkEddy, and as would seem from above) they would be opposed.
**I suppose that a major reason some non-Jewish racial and ethnic groups adopt multiculturalism is that they are not able to compete successfully in an individualistic economic and cultural arena. As a result, multiculturalism has quickly become identified with the idea that each group ought to receive a proportional measure of economic and cultural success. As indicated above, the resulting situation may oppose Jewish interests. Because of their high intelligence and resource-acquisition ability, Jews do not benefit from affirmative action policies and other group- based entitlements commonly advocated by minority groups with low social status.
Jews thus come into conflict with other ethnically identified minority groups who use multiculturalism for their own purposes. (Nevertheless, because of their competitive advantage within the white, European-derived group with which they are currently classified, Jews may perceive themselves as benefiting from policies designed to dilute the power of the European-derived group as a whole on the assumption that they would not suffer any appreciable effect. Indeed, despite the official opposition to group-based preferences among Jewish organizations, Jews voted for an anti-affirmative action ballot measure in California in markedly lower percentages than did other European-derived groups.)**
2003-02-10 04:51 | User Profile
Ausgezeichnet! Was fur eine Frau! I have come to truly appreciate your saint like patience in attempting to divest some on this board of their obstinate delusions. My compliments to NN if this is largely a case of your gratefully applying lessons drawn from experience. You two make quite a tag team. Now if only he could persuade some of the YWHV rapturists that relying on a Big Sky Jew Rescue is not the way to go, we'll have made some real progress.
PS Here's an interesting metaphor from Robert Frenz (www.faem.com):
A heard of wildebeest are crossing a river. Many alligators attack and kill many wildebeest. Some don't. This proves that there are good and bad alligators.
Dark Eddyââ¬â¢s take: The alligators would make good allies for the wildebeest.
2003-02-10 05:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by Marcus Porcius Cato@Feb 9 2003, 22:51 Now if only he could persuade some of the YWHV rapturists that relying on a Big Sky Jew Rescue is not the way to go, we'll have made some real progress.
Indeed - but how does one disrupt the the endless brain loops, the logical circumlocutions, that sustain the faith with seeming impregnability?
"All things work for good for those who love the Lord" is absolutely true - as long as anything that happens to those who love the Lord, no matter how horrible and ostensibly evil, is rationalized as "good," eo ipso.
And no matter how malicious and vicious the "God" of the OT can be shown to be, all that is but a manifestation of "God's will" - which must be endorsed and obeyed because it is none other than...... God's will.
Then there's the doctrine of the Elect....
2003-02-10 05:30 | User Profile
Drakmal, Jews aren't alligators. Their behavior can change. I have already stated that I base my assesment of the Jews on a number of factors, and have certainly never claimed that since some Jews have not done wrong, Jews are not a threat.
Certainly, if every Jews who ever lived viciously attacked white Gentiles, that would count for something. Aber, so ist es nicht. Guten abend.
2003-02-10 05:33 | User Profile
Marcius: I have come to truly appreciate your saint like patience in attempting to divest some on this board of their obstinate delusions. There ought to be a smiley for a blush and ducking of the head...
How can I NOT have patience for them? Five years ago I WAS them! Five years ago I was whining to Neo and arguing and defending the jews because I was completely and entirely brainwashed! Having been trained carefully, by both pain and reward, to NEVER speak ill of jews, to ALWAYS defend and support jews, to BELIEVE, to mourn, and to hate as the jews directed -- it was terribly hard and painful for me to work through that, to be able to recognize and point out the lies and destruction they are wreaking on MY country and MY countrymen and women!!
The very concept that this country I was raised to revere and protect (I really DID join the Navy to serve my country!) had been subverted and poisoned and was still BEING poisoned by people whom I had been raised to respect was a mental conflict that was very hard to work through!
Iââ¬â¢d suggest, having been IN the Navy, and having great allegiance to the ideals of the Navy (while, sigh, recognizing the reality was... somewhat less <_< ), made it somewhat easier for me to unhook from my delusions. There was, at that time (late 70s, early 80s), a great reservoir of bitterness and anger at the sh|tty treatment of the USS Liberty ââ¬â and my allegiance to them was stronger than my allegiance to the U.S. govt. (Iââ¬â¢ve read, somewhere, that now much of the Navy is blind to the Liberty story.)
So I was already primed to mistrust the govt, and esp. to mistrust and dislike the Israelis for bombing and strafing and napalming and torpedoing and killing 34 and wounding 174 AMERICAN sailors!
Then Neo started me reading and struggling to answer questions about Naziââ¬â¢s and jews and Germany and FDR (the snake!) (Sorry, that defames SNAKES!). I kept reading and my ââ¬Ëunderstandingââ¬â¢ of the world just couldnââ¬â¢t stand up to the facts and figures and pictures and records and sheer common-sensical material. So I HAD to give up the propaganda Iââ¬â¢d suckled as a child.
Jay and Dark Eddy are just starting out understanding ââ¬Åourââ¬Â (awakened) world... I would guess that they still want to believe that there are ââ¬Ëgood onesââ¬â¢ and that slurring a group for the actions of... heh heh MOST of the group... is unfair... Fairness, I think matters more when one is young ââ¬â or at least, itââ¬â¢s harder to set it down and recognize the COMPLETE lack of fairness that exists! (No offense to you, eddy and jay - itââ¬â¢s hard not to sound... patronizing... but Iââ¬â¢m really not ââ¬â I have sympathy for your struggles because Iââ¬â¢ve been there!)
As kminta so wonderfully said:
** I consider myself to be an objective seeker of truth and, as I have learned through my interactions with the real world, THE TRUTH HURTS. Whether the truth is to my liking or disliking is irrelevant, and whether I come to accept the truth or outright reject it is equally unimportant. The Truth is absolute and unchanging.**
The truths we know here are PAINFUL, and so I have... well, maybe not BOUNDLESS patience... But enough patience to write at length about the difficulties anyone faces who tries to become awake and aware!
Besides :lol: if I donââ¬â¢t who will?!
2003-02-10 05:39 | User Profile
The Frog and the Scorpion
One day a scorpion was walking along the riverbank trying to find a way to get across the river that separated him from his desired location when he came across a frog sitting alongside the riverbank. The scorpion walked up to the frog and asked the frog if he would take him across the river by giving him a ride on his back. The frog quickly replied, "no he would not give the scorpion a ride." The scorpion then asked him why he would not give the ride.
The frog replied, "because Mr. Scorpion, if I were to give you a ride on my back we would only get half the way across and you would sting me and then I would drown." Quickly the scorpion replied, "but Mr. Frog, if I stung you, then you would drown. If you drown, I would drown also.
The frog thought for a minute and then said, "I guess you're right, so I will give you a ride." The scorpion jumps on the frogs back and they start crossing the river.
Half way across the river the scorpion just drills the frog with his stinger.
The frog immediately starts to panic as he feels the venom race through his veins and he quickly begins to become paralyzed. Just as he is taking his last breath and about to go down, the frog looks at the scorpion and asks "why?"
Just change out the scorpion for an alligator, eh dark eddy?
2003-02-10 10:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by darkeddy@Feb 9 2003, 23:30 **Drakmal, Jews aren't alligators. Their behavior can change. I have already stated that I base my assesment of the Jews on a number of factors, and have certainly never claimed that since some Jews have not done wrong, Jews are not a threat.
Certainly, if every Jews who ever lived viciously attacked white Gentiles, that would count for something. Aber, so ist es nicht. Guten abend.**
You're right to a degree. We're all driven in part by our nature, though I'm not sold on the idea that it's the inherent nature of jews to destroy. My experience with several part-jewish friends (who are all either atheist or Christian, and well removed from jewish culture) would tend to indicate that jews are natural cynics and tend towards solipsism, but are not intrinsically evil.
The problem is that most jews are entirely caught up in jewish culture: it is a culture that encourages and materially rewards group cohesion and working for what's "best for jews". Those who fit that mold thus become successful, and as success stories, go on to lead the next generation of jews; those who don't, don't. Nothing inherently wrong about that except that what's "best for jews" has for centuries included the dispossession and destruction of their historical enemies: among them, us.
Probably most regular jews don't realize that the cause they're fighting for is death to white people--much like white political leaders may not realize they're working for their own destruction. It doesn't really matter; no (or extremely few at best) jews who oppose things such as feminism and multicult will become widely respected and influential among jews. There is no place to break the cycle.
So you're right, "their behavior can change". There are people who are ethnically jewish who don't fight for jewish interests. But the vast majority's behavior won't change, short of wholesale destruction of modern jewish culture, and reprogramming to fill the ideological void.
2003-02-10 13:55 | User Profile
** jews are natural cynics and tend towards solipsism, but are not intrinsically evil.** It's NOT a matter of evil -- it's a matter of THEIR desire to protect their OWN tribe, which means they parasitize, demoralize, damage, and destroy OUR tribe. Parasites aren't EVIL, they are doing WHAT IS IN THEIR NATURE!!!
Is it a bad thing that parasites DESTROY their hosts? It doesn't matter -- it's their nature, it's how they survive! Does the host need to use strong measures to rid itself of the parasite or else end up damaged and destroyed by the parasite? Of course! That's not good or evil ( :lol: in fact, it's Beyond Good and Evil!). It's just biology, nature, common sense, NECESSARY!
I know it's hard to differentiate "these people are BAD FOR US, and must go somewhere else" from "these people are evil and must be destroyed" -- that's the intentional confusion (propaganda...) the *$&+&@ jews have used and are using to destroy the intelligent, noble white Germans, who TRIED to remove their parasite before it destroyed them!
I donââ¬â¢t HATE jews (even though it sounds it :rolleyes: ), but I absolutely 100% want them OUT of my government, OUT of my media, OUT OF MY COUNTRY! Because their presence IS dangerous, because they ARE a parasite, because they DO destroy EVERY host civilization they have EVER in their HISTORY been entangled with. I donââ¬â¢t hate fire ants (well, on second thought...) But I DO want them out of my county! (And esp. my backyard!) I hate what they do to me, to my property, to my animals... Theyââ¬â¢re not evil fer cryinââ¬â¢ out loud, itââ¬â¢s in their nature!)