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Thread ID: 4865 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2003-02-08
2003-02-08 06:19 | User Profile
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The author writes about the psychological trauma of growing up in the PLO-controlled areas of the West Bank/Gaza.
An excerpt: "Survival in such a culture necessitates some numbing. But this psychological component might be insignificant relative to the neurobiological effects of being beaten and tortured in childhood. It was Harvard researchers who first revealed that stress hormones released when children experience physical and sexual abuse actually impede development of that part of the brain responsible for empathy and conscience. "
Brain scans of those who suffered through events common in the childhood of Palestinian children reveal an underdeveloped hippocampus and vermis. Among the behaviors associated with this sort of brain damage: impulsivity, sadism, and suicide."
The conditions of the West Bank and Gaza certainly mirror some African societies. So, we come back to the chicken-and-egg question. What part of Africa's woes are genetic and what part are environmental? Which came first? The best "control" we have continues to be the African diaspora--where we still see blacks continuing to do more poorly in measures of cognitive skills. However, they do better in America than their (malnourished) African counterparts living in war-torn countries. What would Africa be like with an "equality of opportunity"? What is the potential? After decades of mismanagement, will some countries like Ghana eventually join the world economy and trade in proportion to its size? After all, Russia's economy is currently size of Holland's after Communism's reign. Or is Africa doomed to labor with a genetically determined cognitive deficit?
2003-02-09 01:13 | User Profile
Christianity would help Africa.
2003-02-11 23:06 | User Profile
No one has responded to the simple observation in my above post...
I suspect the White race which benefited...is too embarrassed, while for political reasons the Judaic race doesn't want to admit it...
So then dear "people" let me ask you... who cares, in Actuality about Africa, anyone?
Christianity is GOOD... it helps to elevate folks (thank G-d) above the lesser & conflicting verities of the world... long enough for them to SEE them...
The reason Judaism is a little bit beyond that is... they did that... now they're back AGAIN to dealing with those verities...SINCE they see them... Western Christians for many therein, to their dismay are having to MORALLY do that now as well...Not above BUT with it all...
HOWEVER others need Christianity... FIRST... (Not saying Muslims do... they've got their Own Issues... RESOLVE them, Muslims please, if possible...)
I have SPOKEN...about me & all, no?
Do we really want to "piss" me off???????????
2003-02-12 00:49 | User Profile
The Jews only deal with what will eventually be advantageous. They eliminate all other factors as best they can. They are beyond W. Christians, whites, in their group loyalty and willingness to do anything to further the gains of their group. Judiasm is more cult than true religion. A cult of self worship.
2003-02-12 03:28 | User Profile
Thanks to intense efforts by missionaries and the absense of any pre-existing religious structure, Christianity has made large gains in Africa in the past few decades. However, they'll go Moslem in the next few decades, thanks to the simplicity and intolerance of Islam.
As for American blacks vs. African blacks, most American blacks have a significant amount of white blood. Also, American blacks have whites to educate and to demonstrate civility. So, "Equal Oppertunity" is not why American blacks are smarter than African blacks. Africa has equal oppertunity and they choose to stay savage, just like the apes.
As for phsycial childhood trauma leading to brain damage that causes impulsivity, sadism, and suicide. Sorry, a lot more evidence is needed.
2003-02-12 04:42 | User Profile
**George: So then dear "people" let me ask you... who cares, in Actuality about Africa, anyone? Christianity is GOOD... it helps to elevate folks (thank G-d) above the lesser & conflicting verities of the world... long enough for them to SEE them... **
And what explains the CHRISTIAN ministers who penned their Tutsi or Hutu congregants so the Hutus or Tutsis could slaughter them IN the churchc?! (I don't remember which it was, and I fer shure don't give a rat's @ss!)
Christianity only elevate speople who are capable of BEING elevated!
And I only care about Africa to the extant I am trying to convince my congresscritters that we need to QUIT trying to send them money and food and let them deal with their own problems!
**Hacker: As for phsyical childhood trauma leading to brain damage that causes impulsivity, sadism, and suicide. Sorry, a lot more evidence is needed. ** Harvard doesn't do it for you?
**The article at the link: It was Harvard researchers who first revealed that stress hormones released when children experience physical and sexual abuse actually impede development of that part of the brain responsible for empathy and conscience. Brain scans of those who suffered through events common in the childhood of Palestinian children reveal an underdeveloped hippocampus and vermis. ... because once the key brain alterations occur, there may be no going back. (Scientific American, March 2002) **
2003-02-12 05:13 | User Profile
"The Jews only deal with what will eventually be advantageous. They eliminate all other factors as best they can. They are beyond W. Christians, whites, in their group loyalty and willingness to do anything to further the gains of their group. Judiasm is more cult than true religion. A cult of self worship." -R. Bannister
Oh shush Up one and all... R.Bannister... Happy Hooker... & Avalanche-itis...
SEE... (wintermute knows why I HAVE to leap in and TAKE OVER... like a king cyrus)... you dopey bastards, (Ya's... I personally will never understand Why such flawed clay, wishes to speak)... it must be G-d... wanting to give me practice, responding???
Wintermute... jump in any time and DEAL with these "people".... especially the poor bith-ch Avalanche...
DEAL WITH it I mean HER, Wintermute... the unmitigated gall of this doughnut... where's neo-Nazi or Neo-Nietzsche, or Neo-Moral... when ya' need him?????
Can't he keep his property under some kind of "control"... not that he 'should' but then again, isn't that a moral issue?
2003-02-12 07:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 8 2003, 06:19 ** So, we come back to the chicken-and-egg question. What part of Africa's woes are genetic and what part are environmental? Which came first? **
There's no question that Africa's problems are genetic in origin.
They have average IQ's of 72. That means (assuming a regular distribution) that fully half of them are "mentally retarded" by white standards when it comes to abstract problem solving, comprehending patterns, using deductive logic. Half. Let that fact sink in. One out of two is retarded. But that's not the whole story. It also means that only 2% of black Africans would be considered of "above average" IQ by white standards, and that only the smallest percentage would be at the cutoff level of "good college material" at IQ = 115. Africa would probably not produce any intellectual geniuses in any given generation.
These are shocking statistics. They imply that, left to themselves, black Africans cannot hope to produce enough technicians and medical personnel to maintain a techological civilization. Left to themselves, black Africa will return to the jungle. And that's exactly what has happened in all of "liberated" Africa. You're correct to note the "control" value of the black diaspora. No matter where Africans live outside Africa - from Haiti to Northern Brazil to the South Side of Chicago, they are invariably mired in the same poverty, violence, ignorance and disease. The symptoms hold true over a wide variety of environments, and so it has to be genetic.
And genes set the parameters for culture. Africans will never produce a great culture on their own.
I say that we leave Africa alone. I agree with Happy Hacker that it will "go Muslim", and for the same reasons. Islam is a stripped-down version of Christianity that provides very simple rules for living (including detailed prescriptions on personal hygiene), and is thus very attractive for populations with inferior intellectual endowments like the Africans.
The problem, of course, is that ultimately the Chinese will be tempted to take over the place. The African continent is vast and filled with resources. That would be a problem for us. But that's another story.
Walter
2003-02-12 13:46 | User Profile
Drinkin' again George? ;)
2003-02-12 13:47 | User Profile
**Walter: These are shocking statistics. ** And worse still -- the "powers-that-be" are importing these by the 100,00s INTO our country, and then expecting US to find a way to live next door!
2003-02-12 14:38 | User Profile
**The problem, of course, is that ultimately the Chinese will be tempted to take over the place. The African continent is vast and filled with resources. That would be a problem for us. But that's another story. **
It is for that reason I say bring back colonalism. When the British, French, Germans, Portugese, and the Dutch had colonies there it was an idea symbeotic arrangement for both the blacks and the whites who colonized there. The blacks received Medical treatment, better wages, and European Law, and Christianity ( both as a culture and salvation for a few) to rescue them from the self-destructive animistic cultures they subsisted in. Today the communists are taking over many parts of Africa, especially the Southern Part. The Russians and Chinese instigated the Communist takeovers of Rhodesia and South Africa and want to control the resources there. Africa was not paradise for the Blacks there and only became a paradise though colonialism and now is going back to the old Africa of old.
2003-02-12 14:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by skemper@Feb 12 2003, 14:38 ** It is for that reason I say bring back colonalism. When the British, French, Germans, Portugese, and the Dutch had colonies there it was an idea symbeotic arrangement for both the blacks and the whites who colonized there. The blacks received Medical treatment, better wages, and European Law, and Christianity ( both as a culture and salvation for a few) to rescue them from the self-destructive animistic cultures they subsisted in. **
I agree with you, and my heart also goes out to Africans who are really lost without whites. But the sad fact is that it doesn't work. It's been tried and it failed. It caused in the long run more suffering, because the black population expanded far beyond its ability to support itself through primitive technologies (the only ones they are capable as a group of using), and it was bad for whites because it played on our own genetic weakness for insanely altruistic displays toward the less fortunate (hence third world immigration and PeeCee) that Jews exploit so well.
For blacks the question is whether they would rather rule in hell or serve in heaven, and we know that the most ambitious and ruthless among them will always choose the former. It's just the way it is.
We must leave them to their fate.
Walter
2003-02-12 18:11 | User Profile
Walter,
In SA and Rhodesia it was working. Apartheid was created to let the whites and blacks have their own spheres. Maybe the blacks were not making as much as the whites but they were better paid and fed that the other Africans on the continent. In those two countries it failed because of two forces: one, the communist governments of Russia and China trained blacks to engage the whites in guerilla warfare and indoctrinated them in Marxism and two, the governments of Britain and US withdrew their support, forcing both governments to accept compromises with the enemy that brought them to the state that they are today. I agree with you that blacks should deal with the consequences that they created and I say let AIDS do its work. Then hopefully , the whites will rise again and take control. Common sense would have been for the US to arm the whites to let them continue to control the land but ZOG and the NWO doesn't want it that way. A great book to read about the downfall of Rhodesia is Ian Smith's The Great Betrayal.
2003-02-16 04:15 | User Profile
I wouldn't say Judaism is a cult of self-worship...I think it 'holds' the group (concentric circles etc.) higher than an abstraction. (And why not, it's a part of the essence of western religion that the Deity meets us where we are, right?) However wherein the Diety or unnameable is also let's say confrontationally accounted for, we must 'improve' too right, there's a bit of fatalism, isn't there, in his being more than any aggregate...at least among those who still suspect or infer his invisible, if somehow yet or always appropriate Hand? It's then about there's only a singular Man or masculinity "the Man", as it were, and all Others by comparison under that auspice, male & female are to be busy being born (again) as the mensch(es)? Also though in Judaism's case distinctively tribal, closing rank and all of that, when there are Others yet again, farther removed? Did some of that filter into: Christ being the groom so to speak "the Son", and everyone else including his priests being the bride(s)? It seems, doesn't it also, Christianity attempted to go 'tribal', abeit with the broadest base 'possible' (we want the World, & we want it now)... and perhaps therein is one of the flaws of Christianity...can't be spread too thinly and still keep, as a practical matter, the strength or stiff neck, i.e. that spirit of the tribe? At least when competing with those who preserve the spirit of the tribe to a greater extent?
Also Christianity would, wouldn't it though, just as Christ was sacrificed, sacrifice the group; in behalf of the abstraction? That might make any real or significant tribal spirit, altogether impossible, right? Yet tribes remain, and history provides ample evidence of different Christian tribes slaughtering one another... :angry:
In noticing that... long ago especially sadly in the middle east, just as much as anywhere or more so, perhaps Judaism consciously decided it was better to be a tribe, and have their Deity too....Just as the Sioux for example believed they were the only Actual human beings on the Plains and the chosen ones of the universe's Deity. I'm not sure that makes Judaism or any other such belief System, merely a cult, or less of a religion, but definitely a different type of belief, than say Christianity, or Buddhism for that matter...or perhaps some of the others, in that regard?
The bottom line is religion needs to one way or another help people to feel special...because it is a human need...or a human, spiritual need... otherwise, it can without such a meat, or without more than bread alone... become so cold and empty sometimes to us human beings...for whatever the reason(s)...just today, I was feeling that myself... it's real...
Finally it passed, in candor I don't specifically know why... not because I imagined myself as special, I can't subscribe to that, I don't believe it... Probably I was just sad, for a long enough time, so sad...finally another mood set in... I didn't reach for a drug, I didn't grab the Jack Daniels (like George sometimes may be susceptible to, I was just in it, and around these neck of the wood long enough, to know as well, this too shall pass...
I don't want to preach, I don't have any inherent right to do that, or not to, but it's both, life is happy & sad, and sometimes I suspect we just need to be sad...to be sad for as long as we are; and I find we're just as human for that as well, until it passes... Culturally I think we're too predisposed to deny, like we're not 'supposed' to feel that, and worse feel guilty on top of it (insult to injury?) But you know, we're all sad sometimes, just sad...for a while?
Hi, I'm sad. (But you can't really confide that to people as a casual matter, unless they're caring intimates, or pros, you've paid.)
"Hey, how'ya doin?"
(Sure as heck you don't want to reply to a 'casual'...) "Oh, well, I'm sad." :( That's not really fair to a casual. So you just say, "well, not bad. You?"
"I'm good."
"GREAT."
Then fortunately you can continue to be sad. Hi, I'm Pim; I'm sad today...for a while? Chit happens but seems like it will never end... Seems like the Chit Fall jungle, today I'm afraid... Maybe George is right, it's all just love or fear... or in your case George, sometimes plain ol'bad taste... I kid, I kid... :D No, I'm sad or I was sad, today. <_< Oh, alright, I suppose ya'all can charge me, for this... It's not like you're caring intimates, that's true. Anyone else sad today?
2003-02-16 06:16 | User Profile
Pim: It's not like you're caring intimates, that's true. Anyone else sad today? No, we're caring disinteresteds...
I fluctuate between sadness (despair, actually) and anger. And yet, I'm also always pretty happy.
I think a lot of it depends on where you focus your attention. If you spend a lot of time thinking about "the world today," the wars and destruction and idiocy, then you can't HELP but be sad (and/or angry). If you concentrate on your little backyard, the sun, and the birds on the birdfeeder, you're happy. If you concentrate on how your partner doesn't talk to you often enough, you're sad (and/or angry), if you concentrate on how well you do mesh, how s/he takes care of you and has changed his or her entire life to be with you, you're happy.
It's so often a matter of framing. I disagree a LOT with Oprah, but I agree with her idea of the 'gratitude journal.' (Or, as I originally found it, there's some japanese psychology/theology synthesis that has you focusing on gratitude to the hands that made the chair you're sitting on, and the clothes you're wearing and so on.) SO MUCH of our day-to-day life is really pretty wonderful, but because we're focused on getting ahead, getting revenge, getting back up, getting through, that we forget how good it really is.
And besides, (to get all Gumpy on you) "Life is like field hockey." In H.S. I HATED field hockey, HATED it! It was stupid game I didn't want to play, but we all had to. So since I HAD to, I went out and played the heck out of the game, and got through it. No, I didn't learn to love it, but I DID get through it.
Life may sometimes seem really bleak, but it's better than the alternative! All is samsara, all is illusion. Or none of this is real. Or it IS real, but you're merely a spirit/soul inhabiting a body in it for a while. Or it's all a butterfly's dream. Or not.
When I was an angst-filled teen and twentyer, I found that remembering that eveything I had to go through (broken hearts, bad bosses, mean people) was a lesson. It was something I had to go through to get where I was going. Did I know where I was going? No, but I kinda sorta tend to believe reincarnation might be the thing, and so it's at least comforting. And by recognizing (or, if it's the case, merely convincing myself) that I WOULD get through the lesson, and the sooner I learned it, the quicker it would end HELPED me get through it. Or at least face it with a wry sense that sometimes life sucks and you go on!
2003-02-16 19:41 | User Profile
Beyond the anger, is actual hurt...but the hurt goes way back... and you're right, it's how that hurt (inevitably) was framed when it happened, but the person in their own experience was the victim. It doesn't matter whether "all things considered" they were the victim or not. The remaining hurt, like from a no longer extant star's light yet reaching Earth...is yet logged in the person's body... IN the present, framing also does exaccerbate or potentially assuages... So framing's good, in that regard it's 'all good'... we're strange human creatures, capable of self-manipulation...
If this helps too, perhaps, in terms of framing--when considering: "that bum, he ain't talkin...why ain't he opening up?". This may help: slightly more difficult biologically (different brains) for males to allow themselves to be sad, actually there, still, in the moment... long enough to communicate & talk vis a vis how he's & she's feeling... (due to his wiring was/is 'defense')... and conversely to compensate, it's her forte, on top of that...to be able to do that...well... she doesn't in other words experience the initial discomfort as much, in fact for her it's almost pleasurable...
ALSO when the male speaks, while he's speaking the feeling area of his brain is "on"... (for him, at least at first that feels like a big OUCH...thus yuk?) Though to further defend 'her', mother Nature has the female's feeling area of the brain, literally turned off, while she's actually speaking... (so it's more easy for her, thanks to mother Nature's kind concern... for her to disguise herself...) Then that area of her brain comes right back on, when she's stopped talking...
But in his case he's still feeling and so turning red while trying to speak... "I'h, I'h, I'h, I'h...you know...ahhh, ok?"
Seriously it's such a strange world, and we're all a strange part of it...
Wow, man... wheeeeeeeew...
Archie: "Oh the songs Glen Miller played..."
Edith: "...songs that made the hit parade..."
Archie: "Guys like us, we had it made..."
Edith: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Then came Socrates... and everything had to be a synthesis... thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis... thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis... Then Nietzsche pointed out: 'hey that don't work either man...'
I think mother Nature's differences should be appreciated, even underscored, though best to the extent, case by case i.e. when also framed with a greater consciousness of what they mean... In other words: NO DUMBING DOWN... that to me, is the FUTURE... which our elite unfortunately seems to be missing, the point?
Although perhaps you & your husband fortunately seem to be Discovering, the future? Good! See, I'm not disinterested (i.e. impartial), I'm HAPPY for you!! :)
2003-02-16 22:46 | User Profile
Well said, George!
2003-02-18 23:17 | User Profile
All of my own substance is in brand new terrain...which means complete Understanding of the old first. MUST stand on the past in order to build well... it's why tradition is so important. CAN'T circumvent it successfully, only build upon... also why those (forgive me?) less, often mistake the present, for the "insubstantial". Easy mistake to make, since most things new are insubstantial...new for the sake of being "new"...though only a flimsy fashion... similar to today's celebrity in america...only famous, for being famous... tradition takes both into consideration, the discerning few AND the masses...why Christianity too is valuable & successful...even when in need of adjustment...which Luther, didn't REALLY provide... he pushed his six, instead of the Other's half-dozen...except the Other's half-dozen, was about 7'ish... and, in need of adjustment...
The world is a paradox, at best where humans are concerned...for example we must seek balance, even though perfect balance HERE is impossible, approximate balance is always requisite. But Avalanche, in your case, I remove my hat (to a lady, approximately), or at least a tip of the hat, to you & yours. You must, apparently, be moving into my proximity... FEAR it, unless, you love it?
2003-02-18 23:54 | User Profile
In order for the Africans to stop being exploited, they need to GIVE UP their PRIDE. This has not happenned yet. Their pride is only bolstered by the percieved financial success of their brethren in America through SPORTS. Although they KNOW all we talk of, they will not ADMIT it PUBLICLY. And can you blame them ? Given this IMMENSE problem, it's surprising that we can live in semi-relative peace ........ the age of the White Imperialist is OVER. It's time for the World to ABSORB its seperate units yet still find a way to progress without shedding blood.