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2003-02-08 05:38 | User Profile
"Hispanic babies majority of newborns in California" freeconservatives.com thread
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2003-02-10 10:46 | User Profile
Game over.
Walter
2003-02-10 13:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 10 2003, 11:01 ** > Game over.
Respectfully, I disagree.
We are, all of us, subject to bouts of despair. With effort, they pass in a few days. Among racialists, it's like the common cold. I think there are a number of silver linings here, none of which, right now are as important as your internal state. We'll discuss them at a later time.
I invite you to share your perspective at greater length, in the hopes that open discussion can help pull the thorn from your side.
We share in this struggle.
Wintermute **
Thanks, Wintermute.
Actually, I was thinking of California in particular, not our race as a whole. That situation in Southern California is irreversible, it seems to me, at least barring some horrific conflict. Civil War II? Maybe. I don't relish the thought.
Where's the silver lining to this great, dark cloud?
Walter
2003-02-10 18:46 | User Profile
I second that notion: where is the silver lining in that information?
-Jay
2003-02-10 20:08 | User Profile
I'd much prefer to live in Mexico than Africa. If the former spares me the later, then that's the silver lining.
Without Hispanics, blacks would be about 20% of the population, and rapidly growing.
Just don't drink the water.
2003-02-10 20:16 | User Profile
I'd much prefer to live in Mexico than Africa. If the former spares me the later, then that's the silver lining.
Why? Would you rather have a cold or the flu? Both suck.
Without Hispanics, blacks would be about 20% of the population, and rapidly growing.
???? What are you talking about? They'd be 12% with or without hispanics. They were 8-15% of the population for 300 years. Black population is not rapidly growing.
Just don't drink the water.
200,000 Somalian refugees are registering to move here as we speak. Don't worry Hap: you'll get Africa too.
-jay
2003-02-10 21:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 10 2003, 20:16 ** Why? Would you rather have a cold or the flu? Both suck. **
I don't want either. And, neither are as mild as the cold or the flu. I'd prefer to be a paraplegic than a quadriplegic.
What are you talking about? They'd be 12% with or without hispanics.
Without hispanics, there would be 40 million fewer people in the US, but the same number of blacks, thus blacks would be a higher percentage of the population. But, my 20% is too high unless don't consider all the people who aren't black, white, or hispanic (e.g. asians and indians). Blacks only stayed about the same percentage of the population over the last decade because of the huge number of hispanics coming into the country.
200,000 Somalian refugees are registering to move here as we speak. Don't worry Hap: you'll get Africa too.
Yes, if our boarders are wide open, hispanics may be the first to run across, but the whole 3rd world is behind them. We ain't seen nothing yet, unless we get some boarder control. And, the grand children of those Soamalian refugees will be more than happy to kill the white American farmers for the land. And, the few remaining whites will be feeling too guilty to object.
2003-02-11 06:50 | User Profile
So, you're a "worse is better" kind of guy.
I am, too. Civil War II is the big black cloud, the aftermath is the silver lining. That big black cloud is gonna blow away the whole mess of an Empire, making room for our European, Christian and English-speaking republic.
I join you in hopeful despair.
The speculation on this thread regarding black fertility is mostly wrong. They would have grown (both relatively and absolutely), and quite rapidly at that, were it not for abortion.
That's my understanding as well. There's a black group that are really raising a fuss about this - I'll try to find their link. Get this - about 40% of all black babies in the United States are murdered by surgical abortion. And that doesn't include the "morning after" pill. If memory serves, another statistic this group asserts is that if not for Roe v. Wade (and I assume Hispanic immigration) blacks would comprise nearly one third of the population of the United States, rather than the 15% or so share they currently have. I'm a Catholic. Aborting a black baby is murder, period. While I insist on the right to my own country separate from them, all people of good will must condemn the focused hatred of Jews and their progressive allies in committing yet another monstrous crime against innocents.
In particular, the betrayal of Jesse Jackson and the entire black establishment of their own people in this regard is just astonishing. They loudly support Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and generally vote DemonRat. These people supported the murder of an entire generation of black babies just to keep their cushy jobs and racial shakedown operations running. There's a nice warm place in hell reserved for them, I'm sure.
End of rant!
Walter
2003-02-11 07:05 | User Profile
The speculation on this thread regarding black fertility is mostly wrong. They would have grown (both relatively and absolutely), and quite rapidly at that, were it not for abortion.
Back in the 1960's there was occasionally heard the murmur of antiabortion protest from militant blacks on the fatuous ground that legalized abortion was an assault on their people by wicked racist whites. Unlike the vaporous hallucinations about blacks being grossly overrepresented on the killing fields of Vietnam, it WAS AND IS TRUE that blacks are the most abortiphilic racial group in the US. However, reminiscent of the OJ/NOW shenanigans, the professional black "leadership" class clammed up but quick when their hooknosed overlords at the Ancy Defecation League of the Banana Breath trained their stern gaze of disapproval upon them. Abortion, good for the Jooz, itz, since, despite the stupendously high levels of abortion among blacks and those "socially conservative" hispanics, their rates of pregancy are so colossal as to leverage the far lower abortion rates of pregnancyphobic white career twats more effectively than uberswindler Jew Milliken ever did Junk Bonds. Could you, shudder, imagine what THEIR numbers would be if the latrinos really were as "socially conservative" as their press threatens?
2003-02-11 07:09 | User Profile
**Though I would not personally be able to serve in Hillary Clinton's campaign for President, I am still a moderate member of the 'worse is better' faction. **
What do you mean moderate, Wintermute? And why feel shame over the innate and healthy response to seeing traitors and non-viable entities (e.g. liberals) reap their just desserts? Concerning our fellow multitudes, common sense and logic has proven ineffective and pain is the sole remaining educational method. Fortunately, it happens to be the most effective tool, which is why I await the tickling of tender hives en masse with great anticipation. Their response will go along ways towards answering the question of whether the ââ¬Ågame is over.ââ¬Â
Regardless of the extent of the fallout, I harbour no illusions about whites' ability to channel their hate in the proper direction or deal with all our internal corrosive elements with any degree of thoroughness. My hope rests with splinter groups here and/or elsewhere, the emergence of which will not easily be preventable once the populace grows demoralized, discontent and full of suffering.
Status quo implies: as goes Californiaââ¬Â¦
Moderate position/discontent may get you: Please Senor, how bout just one third of Colorado for us Gringos. (likely too optimistic)
Pro-white stance unfettered with moral dilemma issues yields: skyââ¬â¢s the limit ââ¬â provided that a handful of millions agree, along with a sizable contingent of the armed forces.
Assuming scenarios one and two are not you cup of tea, what is needed for three? Methinks widespread poverty and Islamic ââ¬Ëterrorismââ¬â¢ on US soil will not be enough (fails to bracket sufficiently the sacred cow of multiculti), but when combined with Aztlan it has potential. Bring it on, say I. :angry:
2003-02-11 20:43 | User Profile
Walter Y.: In particular, the betrayal of Jesse Jackson and the entire black establishment of their own people in this regard is just astonishing. They loudly support Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and generally vote DemonRat. These people supported the murder of an entire generation of black babies just to keep their cushy jobs and racial shakedown operations running. There's a nice warm place in hell reserved for them, I'm sure. Silly boy, abortion is for cheaters... Jesse doan care 'bout his "brothers and sisters" and their spawn... HE needed to make sure HIS tracks were covered. Cause look jes' whatinhell happened when he was NOT able to 'get rid' of the evidence of his asistant's daughter?! (Not that it seems to have (ha ha) BLACKENED him in the eyes of most blacks...) (Of course, he's not the only one, how many staunch anti-choice legislators and others have been found to 'change their minds' when it's THEIR daughter?!)
More seriously, yes, abortion is killing a "potential child"... but is such a death always wrong? How do we place 'value' on a life? I worked with Planned Parenthood for several years (even ran a voters phonebank for a region in WA state to get Roe v Wade into the state constitution) -- because I'd rather all these animals do NOT reproduce - it's less torture and pain and death for the BORN ones, (and fewer criminals and drug-users). (And, if ONLY we could cut down on unwanted PREGNANCY, we'd cut down on abortion, no?! If they don't HAVE it planted, they won't need to KILL it!)
To ME death is just not so bad... I kindasorta believe in reincarnation -- at the very LEAST, if I live as if it were true, I will lead a generally "moral" ( :lol: ) life. LIFE can be worse than death; DYING Is painful, death is not. To me, it's LESS 'evil' (or bad or painful) for Lisa what-ever-name-was in NYC to NOT have been born than to have been born and tortured and starved and beaten to death! (Or any of hundreds and hundreds (probably thousands) of other children who have been tortured to death. Why is it that ANY kind of life is worth more than a quick and painless death, and maybe a chance to come back later to a better situation?
Why does your god allow the birth of all these children (or as y'all always call 'em INNOCENT children -- of what, and what about the guilty ones?!) who are then burned and raped and tortured and starved and beaten and drowned and and and... ?? And PLEASE don't give me that 'God's ways are not for humans to know.' EITHER your god is a kind and loving god, or he just doesn't give a damn about a child's pain! (Neo and his "all things work for good for those who love the lord" -- meaning you can "define" anything as good, no matter HOW objectively horrible, just by saying it's so!)
I'd prefer there were effective (and MANDATORY!) birth control until the woman proved she was capable of AFFORDING and raising a child... But there isn't. And until there is, that may mean that killing off a million unborn is a BETTER choice than letting 'em live! It's like feeding the d*mned sudanese -- all so they can reproduce MORE and let THEM starve!!
Death is just NOT that bad a thing... (Not that I'm volunteering, mind, but it's often the lesser of many options!)
2003-02-11 21:26 | User Profile
Lisa what-ever-name-was in NYC
Steinberg.
It happened during my year in Manhattan. Used to walk past the residence on West 10th (between 5th and 6th) on the way to business at Yeshiva U. twice a week. One of the loveliest blocks in Manhattan.
2003-02-12 00:54 | User Profile
I've always been a "worse is better" kind of WN. The beaners have been the majority of newborns here in CA for some time. It all needs to come tumbling down. It's going to be insufferable for awhile. Horrible. But in the end, it will be whitey cleaning up the mess and rebuilding. No doubt about it. It will also be sooner than so many of you think it will be.
2003-02-12 16:27 | User Profile
Abortion, good for the Jooz, itz, since, despite the stupendously high levels of abortion among blacks and those "socially conservative" hispanics, their rates of pregancy are so colossal as to leverage the far lower abortion rates of pregnancyphobic white career twats more effectively than uberswindler Jew Milliken ever did Junk Bonds
Let me get this straight: Jews are responsible for the immigration flood that brings nonwhites here in droves.
But they are also responsible for aborting millions of nonwhites who would have swamped us in droves.
Which is it?
-Jay
2003-02-12 23:03 | User Profile
Good post Marcus - I enjoyed the note on jewish business tactics, as so many people seem to shut their eyes when confronted with this truth. The jew businessmen also enjoy breaks in advertising from their bretheren, who then charge the goyim more - or deny him advertising time/space by saying the slots are full. Running durogatory stories on whitey's businesses on the "news" doesn't hurt their hegemony either.
The jews use every weapon at their disposal; mass immigration, abortion, affirmative action, destruction of the judicial system. Look at the big picture, they sure do. Although they do seem to have a blind spot in certain areas of long range thinking, and that's going to be their undoing. Again.
2003-02-12 23:47 | User Profile
Marce --
No need to be so hard on Jay. Notwithstanding the critique of Jared Taylor's gallant manners, it is appropriate for us to treat one another decorously. We will cooperate better if we get along with one another, and ultimately the point of the educational interchange we engage in is to effect some more tangible result. The hockey team with discord in the dressing room will lose in the playoffs, if it makes it that far. The team with harmony in "the room" is likely to lift the Cup.
Moreover, I hesitate to admit that I myself had found the Jewish emphasis on abortion a bit puzzling. I had never heard it explained, but now it is clear. Sufficient numbers of non-whites can be manufactured domestically or imported. Immigrants are substituted for the aborted Negroes and Mexicans, while the native white population is minimized through abortion.
2003-02-13 00:04 | User Profile
Here is some trivia: the abort-a-baby business is so Jewish that most of the abort doctors who have been killed by anti-abort people have been Jewish. Yup. Like anything yucky, Jews dominate it.
Jay should know that.
2003-02-13 06:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Feb 13 2003, 00:04 ** Here is some trivia: the abort-a-baby business is so Jewish that most of the abort doctors who have been killed by anti-abort people have been Jewish. Yup. Like anything yucky, Jews dominate it.
Jay should know that. **
Yes, that's my understanding, too. The lawyer behind Roe v. Wade was Jewish, I don't recall his name. Consider also the unique case of Bernard Nathanson, founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League and abortionist who murdered thousands and thousands of babies. He had a powerful conversion experience and became a Roman Catholic. He is the one who made the film "Silent Scream" that was successfully blackballed by the Jewish media. Anyway, Nathanson well illustrates the Jewishness of the modern abortion drive.
The impulse springs in large part, in my opinion, from Jews' evolved group defense instinct. It's merely natural that they want to kill their perceived enemies. This impulse expresses itself in their Talmudic religion, which is the very embodiment of Keith's Dual Code.
In addition, the kabbala is a pagan text, and its Orthodox Jewish adherents are in fact pagans in their worship of their gods Holy Blessed One and his sister-consort Shekhinah. Pagansim, of course, has a long history of child sacrifice, and it seems to me that the Jewish primal drive to kill gentiles is reinforced by the pagan cultural milieu of their historically pagan religion. This expresses itself in their overwhelming support of "abortion rights" around the world. I would go so far as to speculate that the murder of gentile babies through legalized abortion is for its secular Jewish proponents an unconscious sacramental offering to their tribal gods.
It makes so much sense in light of Kevin MacDonald's books and Israel Shahak's "Jewish History, Jewish Religion."
Of course, there are lots of gentile women like Hillary and Mary Robinson who act under similar motives, especially in regard to blacks. These women will do anything to make sure that "poor women" (read, black and brown) will have every opportunity to kill their babies, too.
I hope I'm not too far off base when I say that we fight the diabolical, my brothers and sisters. Despite my adherence to evolutionary psychology, I cannot look at the horrific crimes of perpetrated on innocents by the likes of Bernard Nathanson and not believe that there exist evil forces that prevail in this world. MacDonald described the mechanism of the struggle in this Earthly plane, but as St. Paul said our real struggle is with powers and principalities that we apprehend now only through a glass darkly.
Walter
2003-02-13 07:10 | User Profile
**No need to be so hard on Jay. Notwithstanding the critique of Jared Taylor's gallant manners, it is appropriate for us to treat one another decorously. We will cooperate better if we get along with one another, and ultimately the point of the educational interchange we engage in is to effect some more tangible result. **
Point well taken. Mea maxima culpa. I was a bit out of line. But perhaps Jay should make some attempt to reign in his Freeperismo.
2003-02-13 19:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by Marcus Porcius Cato@Feb 13 2003, 01:10 ** Point well taken. Mea maxima culpa. I was a bit out of line. But perhaps Jay should make some attempt to reign in his Freeperismo. **
I don't go to Free Republic. But the times I have been there, they are much more polite than you are.
You are a rude person. If you dislike my comments, then respond in kind. But don't pontificate or name-call. I just laugh you off when you do that, and you look like a real loser to others.
-Jay
2003-02-13 19:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Feb 12 2003, 17:47 ** No need to be so hard on Jay. Notwithstanding the critique of Jared Taylor's gallant manners, it is appropriate for us to treat one another decorously. We will cooperate better if we get along with one another, and ultimately the point of the educational interchange we engage in is to effect some more tangible result. The hockey team with discord in the dressing room will lose in the playoffs, if it makes it that far. **
2 things really surprise me on this board:
1) The ferocity by which you are attacked if you question anyone. Name-calling is common, as is lecturing.
2) If you question someone's point, you are automatically labeled a "Freeper", "FDR fan", "Zionist", or "Liberal" If you disagree with the Jewish Question, you automatically love Jews and Jewish culture.
In many ways, some people on this board resemble the people you find at the old NewsMax forum.
-Jay
2003-02-13 21:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 13 2003, 19:34 ** If you question someone's point, you are automatically labeled a "Freeper", "FDR fan", "Zionist", or "Liberal" If you disagree with the Jewish Question, you automatically love Jews and Jewish culture. **
On many other boards, the moment you say something Politically Incorrect, others spend so much time attacking that it's difficult to continue the discussion. And, the moderator eventually feels the need to restore peace by banning the single spark (rather than the numerous gaseous troublemakers).
Even if you are called a zionist or freeper here, the intelligent discussion can continue.
2003-02-13 21:29 | User Profile
**Let's add finger-wagging to that list. People were pretty supportive of you when you launched in on TBF, Jay. **
Correction: I never "launched into" TBF. I made a statement that his article made me rue the white plight of not reproducing. Later in the thread, I told him I was sorry if my post was meant to be judgmental in any way.
**I recall your initial post there being a little less than polite. You could be a little less impervious to the evidence. You're entitled to an informed opinion, but for that, you first must inform yourself. **
Exhibit A: if you disagree, you must be "uninformed" Is Peter Brimelow unimformed? Please let us all know. While you are at it, send him an email telling him how informed you are and how little he knows.
Also, given how polite the Freepers are, why should you be ashamed of your Freeperismo?
Bingo. Disagree with Wintermute, you are a freeper.
-Jay
2003-02-13 21:35 | User Profile
Actually, given the frontal assault against our White West by Jews since at least 1917, it is surprising that the posting at OD re: Jews is as mild as it is, AND, that people like Jay and darkest eddy do not grasp the seriousness of our situation re: Jews.
Heck, I hold back on OD. I have to restain myself, lest the moderators expel me. Yet the VNNers like me are called "extreme." Funny.
2003-02-18 10:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 18 2003, 08:10 ** Make it your hope To be counted worthy on that day to stand beside them; For the end of man is to partake of their defeat and die His second, final death in good company. The stupid, strong Unteachable monsters are certain to be victorious at last, And every man of decent blood is on the losing side. **
Excellent quote from the great C.S. Lewis.
This is of a piece with his "Abolition of Man." He's saying that like Christians and indeed adherents to all the great religions of the world, the pagans believed in the Natural Law - the notion that there exists a discernible moral order to the universe, and that man's job is to discover it and live by its dictates. While Christianity informed the conscience of the erstwhile Roman Empire, it always accepted the great achievements of pagan civilization. Our problem nowadays is that our contemporary pagans have not only abandoned Christ, they did so by rejecting the Natural Law itself. Derrida and Foucault deconstruct our art, and popularize the poinsonous notion that nothing is morally knowable.
As Lewis correctly pointed out, you can't return by the same door you entered. The new paganism with its neo-Nietzschean "decontruction" or all morality is a cynical and soul-sick thing, not at all like the vibrant nobility of the paganism of our European ancestors.
Where did you imagine that we disagreed?
Walter