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Thread ID: 4843 | Posts: 27 | Started: 2003-02-07
2003-02-07 17:03 | User Profile
Before I became interested in the topic of race some five years ago, I was your stereotypical lemming who believed that "all men are created equal" and that racists were all evil, ignorant buffoons deserving of condemnation. While I still adhere to at least some of those views, my observations and personal experiences have led me conclude that the below article on this issue is most accurate.
Racial Differences and Prejudices
By Joseph Sarandos
Racial prejudice is natural and unchangeable. It is the invisible but omnipresent force that makes men feel more comfortable when surrounded by people with the same physical, mental and spiritual characteristics as themselves, and that makes men fearful when in the midst of different peoples.
Racial prejudice does not imply that one race is better than another or all others, but admits only that all races are different from each other.
In general, Jews are about 15 IQ Points more intelligent than Whites, Blacks and Latinos are less intelligent than Whites by about the same difference. There are exceptions.
In general, Asians are better horticulturists, Native Americans are better hunters and trappers, Blacks are better dancers and athletes, Whites are better mathematicians and engineers. There are exceptions.
In particular, Italians are better opera singers, Swiss are better watchmakers, Germans are better scientists, French are better cooks, Greeks are better philosophers, Norse are better fishermen. There are exceptions.
These differences are owing to the genetic inherencies within the races, and not to any basic differences between the mental abilities of the individuals.
Each living person is the current product of his/her paternal and maternal ancestries. If particular traits, characteristics and talents are present in a particular "gene pool," then it becomes likely that most of the descendents in that blood-line will inherit them.
To deny that there are such, inherited differences between the races, is to deny that there are inherited differences between the various "pure breeds" of dogs and horses.
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2003-02-07 17:47 | User Profile
Why Race Matters
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2003-02-07 21:32 | User Profile
'Jews' have 15 more IQ points? Some evidence for this oft-repeated claim would be nice. So to for the claim that the French cooking abilities are genetic. How one isolate for DNA v. culture is a rather tricky question--one we have not mastered. There evidence that blacks and Latinos are genetically predisposed to lower IQ's--but I certainly don't think it is established that it is a full min. 15 points. I would guess that this is about true for blacks, with an min. 15 being tacked on due to cultural influences, but I am doubtful that Latinos are genetically more than 10pts under 100.
2003-02-07 22:13 | User Profile
Sailer reported that a scholar said Israel has a 94 mean IQ. Who knows if that's true, but someone would have to be an idiot to stand in the face of suicide bombings and pretending Mean Mr. USA will always be there to bail you out.
No doubt in my mind latino IQ is lower. none whatsoever - and I point to Latin/South America as exhibit A, B, C, D, E.....
-Jay
2003-02-07 22:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 7 2003, 16:13 **No doubt in my mind latino IQ is lower. none whatsoever - and I point to Latin/South America as exhibit A, B, C, D, E..... **
Those ancient Incas seemed to be pretty dang smart. Or at least some of 'em. And who were the Rapa Nui that built those statues on Easter Island?
2003-02-07 22:27 | User Profile
The world's foremost authority on the Judenrodent, Prof. Kevin MacDonald, says Jews have an IQ about 15 points above a gentile's.
Observation of Jews in regular life proves it. Get out a phone book in a large city and look under "physicians" or "attorneys." Jews are listed way out of proportion of their 2.4%
Stop tryin' to aid the Jew, people. Which branch of the Israeli government sends you checks -- of our tax dollars?
2003-02-08 00:02 | User Profile
Incas smart?
They had neither the wheel nor a written language. And in the 16th Century--never having learned to domesticate the local animals as a food sourceââ¬âthey were still cannibals whose supply of ââ¬Åproteinââ¬Â was arrived at by daily human sacrifice of the weakest among them.
2003-02-08 01:36 | User Profile
I wonder how Israel could have such a low to normal IQ average is Jews are so superior. I wonder how one proves Jewish high-IQ's in the West aren't a product of cultural traditions and the jobs historically available to them, as opposed to genetics.
2003-02-08 02:39 | User Profile
Those ancient Incas seemed to be pretty dang smart. Or at least some of 'em. And who were the Rapa Nui that built those statues on Easter Island?
* Here is a sampling of Revilo Oliverââ¬â¢s thinking regarding the Incas, taken from his ââ¬ÅIntroduction to Imperium.ââ¬Â*
In Kon-Tiki, Heyerdahl writes, "... There is not a trace of gradual development in the high civilizations which once stretched from Mexico to Peru. The deeper the archeologists dig, the higher the culture, until a definite point is reached at which the old civilizations have clearly arisen without any foundation in the midst of primitive cultures." All of the wonders in South and Central America before the arrival of the Spaniards had been brought about suddenly by a race of White conquerors and that, as they melted their blood slowly into that of their subject native population, the civilization dwindled. The very reason Cortez conquered the Aztecs so easily was because Montezuma believed that the Spaniards were the fair-skinned, bearded men coming from the East which, Quetzalcotl' s prophecy foretold, would return; and the Incas in Peru had the very same legend. The name, Inca, by the way, is the name only of the aristocracy of the Peruvians. The Incas were White and the princesses were quite beautiful; so much so that many of the Spanish officers married them and took them back to Spain. A glance at the present "Incas" in Peru shows at once that these were not the creators of the great Peruvian Culture.
2003-02-08 02:55 | User Profile
jay Posted on Feb 7 2003, 16:13
**Sailer reported that a scholar said Israel has a 94 mean IQ. Who knows if that's true, but someone would have to be an idiot to stand in the face of suicide bombings and pretending Mean Mr. USA will always be there to bail you out. **
Franco Posted on Feb 7 2003, 16:27
** The world's foremost authority on the Judenrodent, Prof. Kevin MacDonald, says Jews have an IQ about 15 points above a gentile's.**
My own thinking is that Ashkenazi Jews, particularly those in the US, do indeed merit a higher average IQ score than whites, but I do not think the 15 points are entirely indicative of innate differences. Though it may be the case, I suspect that family/tribal emphasis on schooling and group characteristics tending towards extroversion are implicated in the spread, whatever may be the true numerical value. Concerning Israel, it suffices to state that the bulk of the bright ones are in North America and, generally, anywhere else where there is actual sustenance (preferably Aryan) to be had.
kminta Posted on Feb 7 2003, 11:03
While I still adhere to at least some of those views, my observations and personal experiences have led me conclude that... To deny that there are such, inherited differences between the races, is to deny that there are inherited differences between the various "pure breeds" of dogs and horses.** **
Or, to come to the same thing but in a less straightforward manner, consider the definition of the word prejudice -- partiality standing in the way of objective consideration. The irony would be risible where it not so grossly perverted by so many. The joke nears riot when, as is often the case, someone uses both the words prejudice and non-racist during one occasion to affirm their devotion to the dominant PC paradigm. Of course, the effect is to announce that you are an imbecile, and the fact that it is not perceived as such is a measure of either diluted perception or resignation to our big lie.
I do not pretend to understand your reasons for being here, kminta, but I acknowledge the stones that it takes to continuously sort through material that it is at times brutally frank, and, on other occasions, needlessly exaggerated and insulting to your blood. Since you refrain from responding in kind and provide materials of some merit, I take you interest to be sincere. Elsewhere, your quotation of R.P. Oliverââ¬â¢s interpretation of success, that it is mere survival from a biological standpoint, is beyond argument. It may be that you have reached a more objective plain of thought than many of us here, myself included, as evident from my comments pertaining to Jews and reluctance to yield an inch less it be a marginal strategic withdrawal laced with exceptions.
Racisms, if properly defined, is a healthy trait and most of my vituperation stems from denial of opportunity to live in a society closer in harmony with nature and being condemned to watch its collapse. For what it is worth, in a perfect world my nation would not turn away civilized visitors from non-civilized lands.
2003-02-08 03:01 | User Profile
If "Israel" has a mean IQ of 94, does that include the Arab and Jewish-by-religion minorities?
When it comes to measuring IQ, we should all be aware of the pitfalls. IQ tests, unable to directly measure intelligence, instead have to look at it from angles: linguistic, visuospatial, logical reasoning, capacity to learn. But none of these alone is a measure of intelligence, and a mixture of them must be carefully weighted to have any value.
I think that a better measure of the collective intelligence of races is had by looking at what they have accomplished over the years. This lends hints to the type of intelligences inherent in each of the races as well:
Japanese developed the sword to an impressive degree and ran a civil society, but never developed written language on their own. Chinese developed the internal arts well, and made many objects of beauty--and until recently, had one of the longest-lasting governmental systems around.
Jews have made great teachers, orators, and storytellers (see Richard Feynman and Albert Einstein), but philosophically are some of the most unenlightened smart people on the planet. This is what makes them so dangerous, in fact: the combination of ambition, realism, and contempt for non-jews. They also never really 'got' science, and even today try to distort the soft sciences to influence scientifically-minded whites.
White people, of course, are all over the physical sciences, philosophy, religion, and the arts. But are we going to live to tell the tale? Probably not, because we suck at reality.
Blacks can run, jump, and rape real well, but can't feed themselves even when living on the world's most fertile soil.
Injuns sustained an agrarian civil society in harmony with nature for thousands of years (an accomplishment, IMHO), but never really got much further than that.
And so forth. It's interesting to note that whites and jews have diametrically opposite racial talents. It's a shame we don't get along; we could have been natural friends instead of natural, mortal enemies.
Drakmal
2003-02-08 04:35 | User Profile
Injuns sustained an agrarian civil society in harmony with nature for thousands of years (an accomplishment, IMHO), Can't find it on a quick search, but what about all the research showing that the "Native Americans" were JUST as destructive to the ecosystems when they held sway here, as today's "rainforest destruction" by slash and burn agriculture??
It's the old "noble savage" view of the tribes... Romantic fanciful notions...
2003-02-08 04:44 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 7 2003, 22:35 ** Can't find it on a quick search, but what about all the research showing that the "Native Americans" were JUST as destructive to the ecosystems when they held sway here, as today's "rainforest destruction" by slash and burn agriculture?? **
I haven't seen any. If you can find it, though, I'll be happy to read it. However, "as destructive as slash and burn agriculture" seems questionable: it's been widely noted how rich and full of stuff the land was when we got here--far richer than S. America will be in a couple decades.
-D
2003-02-08 05:25 | User Profile
The old 15 point advantage in IQ supposedly held by those brilliant Ashkenazi jews. I've written this before, but take a look at books on intelligence written the last 15 years, and then look at the average scores listed for Ashkenazis. They were listed with about an 8 point higher average, yet over the last decade or so, they seem to be pushing their average higher - in print. Same for East Asians. Not to beat a dead horse, but the SD amongst Ashkenazi jews is never mentioned. It's less than 9 points. The SD for white Europeans is 15 points. (It's also less than 9 points for East Asians) This is important, because it indicates higher numbers of individuals around the jewish mean, but lower numbers of their group at each end of the curve. The jews have an agenda, and part of it is to try and make sure you think they are far more intelligent than you are.
Be that as it may, of course the tests don't measure everything. It just isn't possible right now to quantify creative, inventiveness, etc. through tests. But if we look at the real world, we can see what's going on. Blacks and mestizos have very few individuals that pass for intelligent in the popular sense of the word. Asians have a lot of seemingly bright individuals, but seem to possess little creativity. Jews are smart enough to learn, and to be able to use the work of others to an end, without crediting any non-jew that made significant contributions to any achievement. The numbers of jewish lawyers, doctors etc. aren't necessarily due to brain power, so much as to cultural emphasis on schooling (much like E. Asians) and even more so - BEING NEPOTIZED into college, graduate school, law firms, etc. How many times have you heard a jew talking about how he couldn't get a decent score in some section of the MCAT - but a friend or relative or what have you, "pulled some strings" and got them in. BTW, the MCAT isn't even a good indicator of how well one will do in Med School. None of the sections of the test seem to have any bearing, except for the biochem portion, which may give slight indication.
Anyway, enough rambling on how smart or not smart jews are. They work as a group like no other group. That is the secret for their success. Believe me, when we have to deal with the studios on projects, we run into so many moronic jews you wouldn't believe it. Why do they have the jobs they do? Because they're jews. They were given the job by ... other jews. It's like that in every field they are in. Look at medical research - stories abound about not only jews stealing work and credit from non-jews, but jews trying to manipulate govt. funding to make sure that most of the money is funneled to jew researchers, etc. Keep the gravy train, and myth train, rolling.
2003-02-08 18:16 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Feb 7 2003, 22:01 ** If "Israel" has a mean IQ of 94, does that include the Arab and Jewish-by-religion minorities? **
Yes, it is the Ashkenazi Jews who are 15 pts above. This is mainly verbal intelligence, however. My guess is that the Israeli average of 94 includes a number of non-Ashkenazi Jews (including the black African Falasha Jews).
2003-02-09 18:52 | User Profile
IQ is one part genes, one part environement, and one part personal choice.
Blacks are dumb. Regardless of culture or the amount spent on their education, in all times and places, their IQs stay relatively low. American blacks have the most spent on their education of anyone in the world, they practice massive racial favortism, and they enjoy life in they freest country on Earth, yet they'd still be living in shacks if whites weren't giving them free money and free jobs.
Jews are smart. They are disproportionately found in most intellectually demanding endeavors. Israel is a respectable source of invention and innovation. Jews do enjoy an environmental advantage because of racial nepotism (blacks are racial nepotists too). Israel does enjoy many billions of US dollars. And, Jews probably more than any other race do make a choice to be smart -- that is, they are more pragmatic in their efforts and thinking.
Japanese are smart. Although, they have a huge environmental advantage (e.g. no multi-culturalism) which by itself could account for their modestly greater appearence of intelligence vs. whites.
2003-02-09 22:05 | User Profile
You go on beating that horse, Roy. A lot of people who are familiar with the 115 Ashkenazi factoid don't know jack about Standard Deviation, except for what they see on Showtime Late Nite.
Hahahaha! Good one! Took me a second, though. I must be slipping...
2003-02-10 01:30 | User Profile
Sisyfos Posted on Feb 7 2003
** I do not pretend to understand your reasons for being here, kminta, but I acknowledge the stones that it takes to continuously sort through material that it is at times brutally frank, and, on other occasions, needlessly exaggerated and insulting to your blood. Since you refrain from responding in kind and provide materials of some merit, I take you interest to be sincere.**
I appreciate your comments, Sisyfos. I would have responded sooner, but I was pre-occupied with some post-college stuff. Indeed, much of the material posted regularly here at Original Dissent is quite difficult to digest, especially for a non-white person like myself. But the main reason I joined OD was that I consider myself to be an objective seeker of truth and, as I have learned through my interactions with the real world, THE TRUTH HURTS. Whether the truth is to my liking or disliking is irrelevant, and whether I come to accept the truth or outright reject it is equally unimportant. The Truth is absolute and unchanging. In addition, like many of you, I am very much concerned about the corruption of political establishment, the degradation of our culture, and the erosion of our constitutional rights as American citizens. The Internet is a God-send for the many of us who want our voices heard.
As among the few Blacks who do not submit to the self-destructive cultural mentality the majority of my brethen have come to embrace, I honest with myself to acknowledge some of the uncomfortable truths most of Black America refuse to recognize:
(1) Blacks are responsible for the majority of crime in our country (2) Blacks are the least intelligent of all the races (3) Too much government money is spent on behalf of Blacks (4) Whites are unjustly discriminated against in favor of Blacks
Such comments would certainly have me reviled by my fellow Blacks as a "self-hater," bombarded with lots of unprintable epithets, and finally deluged with variations on the theme of "Uncle Tom" or "Aunt Thomasina" (if I was female that is). Black dissidents, like White dissidents, are more than familiar with the ugly stuff that awaits us in this grim PC world. But that's a risk people like Elizabeth Wright, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell are willing to take, and that is what all dissidents share in common: we understand that unpleasant truths are always more helpful than well-intentioned lies.
2003-02-11 02:36 | User Profile
"For GOP 'Conservatives:On Oreos And The Fallacy of the Negro Conservative", by Maguire. [url=http://www.faem.com/maguire/oreos.htm]http://www.faem.com/maguire/oreos.htm[/url]
2003-02-11 06:02 | User Profile
I'll also say welcome to OD.
Your posts seem to me to be intelligent and worthwhile.
It is good to see that you are out of the self-destructive culture that many blacks are invovled in.
It looks to me that you have courage and I like that!
2003-02-11 06:15 | User Profile
For GOP 'Conservatives:On Oreos And The Fallacy of the Negro Conservative
If this is intended to forewarn us of impending infiltration by kminta, take a valium chicken little. He appears to be an intelligent fellow so I doubt he has any illusions of separating us from our separatist aspirations. And at no point has he favored us with the "some blacks are good and some whites are trash (so please let me f*ck your daughter, kind Sir)" spiel. As for this Maguire fellow, I've read some of his stuff and it's quite good, but he appears to have a disturbing habit of alienating those who attempt to collaborate with him. Specifically, he stood up Dr.Pierce, and later, when kindly given a forum by Robert Frenz on FAEM, he even managed to piss off that equanimous gentleman.
And I'm deeply touched by his agonizing admission that Blacks are the least intelligent of the races. How many of our Nordic brethren are capable of admitting that Thomas Edison was an overrated hack (the Scottish Einstein?) and that if we had allowed that pompous elephant electrocuting moron to foist his DC generators madness upon us, electrical gadgetry never would have progressed beyong the novelty stage, as happened in Mesopotamia almost two thousand years ago. The modern world was not ushered in by Newton's principia or Fulton's steam engine, but by SOUTHERN EUROPEAN Nikola Tesla's harnessing of Electricity. Yes, there were other great electrical engineers (German Charles Steinmetz and Englishman Oliver Heaviside immediately come to mind) but absent the contributions of the Serbian genius our civilization would be about as wired as Rban's native mud hamlet.
End of rant. I shall try to show more consideration for our dark friend kminta in future, but if he is truly not an enemy, he will not insist that we refrain from brutally frank disputation, necessarily painful for one of his ethnicity to encounter, only that we act like the civilization creating white men we claim kinship with and dispense with vulgarly gratuitous insult, a great weakness of mine, as pointed out on more than one occasion by the Lone Star dissident.
2003-02-17 07:46 | User Profile
Hello rban me old old Anglo-Bango mucker:
**If I felt in any way that the group I am sponsoring was not truly a genetically superior Master Race, I would never have the guts to show my face on a forum like this. **
Is that the same Master Race 400 million strong who were kept in supine obesiance for 240 years by less than 50,000 pasty-faced barbarians from across the seas?
Still never mind, eh. Your chaps turned out to be super dhobi-wallahs.
2003-02-17 22:22 | User Profile
Improve yourself. Don't talk about your " race " and its accomplishments through history, or argue about its superiority. Make yourself what you think you can be. It's obvious there was a major rift in human history somewhere in the range of 6000 years ago.
2003-02-18 00:51 | User Profile
Marcus, I don't think I'd call Edison a hack - his other worthwhile contributions/inventions stand on their own merit, and that's with acknowledging his generator aspirations/head butting with Tesla. Einstein is without a doubt the most overrated hack in scientific history. Is it because he's jewish? Nope, he'd still be a hack. His jewishness is the reason WHY he's received so much adulation. It's the reason he's a myth, like almost everything else jewish. Tesla was a genius, and a nutcase at the same time. Anyone that believes he's communicating with the dead, never mind some of the goofy ideas he had regarding contraptions he wanted to build, would be considered more than a bit daft. Tesla is underrated, but it's best that the facts regarding his mental problems aren't bandied about. They would be used to totally denigrate, while promoting a more "sane" genius, the theiving zionist Einstein.
Rban needs to look at the other thread regarding the genetic make up of the Indians. Part "Aryan" is a better description, now that DNA testing has been used on the Brahmins. Maybe he'll have to find a new group to call pure Aryan. Or maybe he'll start telling us the jews are actually Aryans. Rban comes off more like a jew playing games rather than a pom with a desire to have the Hindus give him the time up his bum.
2003-02-26 13:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 8 2003, 04:35 ** > Injuns sustained an agrarian civil society in harmony with nature for thousands of years (an accomplishment, IMHO), Can't find it on a quick search, but what about all the research showing that the "Native Americans" were JUST as destructive to the ecosystems when they held sway here, as today's "rainforest destruction" by slash and burn agriculture??
It's the old "noble savage" view of the tribes... Romantic fanciful notions... **
Check out "Collapse of Complex Societies" by Joseph Tainter. There was a very complex civilization called "Asanazi" in modern day Arizona and New Mexico that existed over centuries. They had astronomy, irrigation, quite advanced building techniques.
Quite impressive.
Walter
2003-05-26 13:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by darkeddy@Feb 7 2003, 21:32 ** 'Jews' have 15 more IQ points? Some evidence for this oft-repeated claim would be nice. So to for the claim that the French cooking abilities are genetic. How one isolate for DNA v. culture is a rather tricky question--one we have not mastered. There evidence that blacks and Latinos are genetically predisposed to lower IQ's--but I certainly don't think it is established that it is a full min. 15 points. I would guess that this is about true for blacks, with an min. 15 being tacked on due to cultural influences, but I am doubtful that Latinos are genetically more than 10pts under 100. **
The one I saw, and the one I think most folks refer to, is cited in the Bell Curve.
If memory serves this was contained in the famous NY Longitudinal Survey of Youth (?).
The sample was small.
I'm sure that there are other studies.
Walter
2003-05-26 13:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 7 2003, 22:13 ** Sailer reported that a scholar said Israel has a 94 mean IQ. Who knows if that's true, but someone would have to be an idiot to stand in the face of suicide bombings and pretending Mean Mr. USA will always be there to bail you out.
No doubt in my mind latino IQ is lower. none whatsoever - and I point to Latin/South America as exhibit A, B, C, D, E.....
-Jay **
I suspect, although I certainly cannot prove, that Israel's average IQ is brought down by the large influx of super-slow Falasha Jews from Ethiopia. I read somewhere that the average IQ of Falasha Jews is in the mid 70's.
They're breeding like rabbits, too.
And Israeli schools are starting to pull their hair out trying to figure out "what they're doing wrong" with all these little negro Jews.
Anyway, gazillions of Ethiopians must throw off the curve.
Walter