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2003-02-05 11:11 | User Profile
Flight from Wage-Slavery: The Brain-Drain Cuts Both Ways
by Todd Brendan Fahey
The saga is an age-old one, and I'd read enough about the persecution of James Joyce and Samuel Beckett in their native Ireland, of Joseph Conrad and Jerzy Kozinski in their native Poland, and of the so-called "Lost Generation" (Hemingway, John Dos Passos, T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Henry Miller, et al.), whose migrations to England, France and Italy have been fodder for hundreds of biographies, movies and novels, to know that sometimes the grass is greener on the other side. Prior to my departure, the mural artist Robert Dafford--with whom I'd been collaborating, and who had had significant success in Canada and Belgium, when no one in America would commission his work--said to me, "Todd, sometimes a guy's gotta become known abroad to become famous at home."
It was good advice, and I took it. Banished from the university classroom, reduced to low-level editing work for a group of attorneys in Laughayette, destitute and nearly homeless, I hopped on the public library's Internet bay one afternoon, typed in "Teaching English as a Foreign Language," and saw my life changed within 24 hours. Besides, I'd never made more than $24,000/annum in America, and, coupled with extortionate local, state, federal and FICA taxes, and after rent, car payments, car insurance, like most Americans, I was never more than 2 paychecks away from poverty anyway.
So on that day when I conciously elected to change my fate, I remember keenly the scrolling list of Web sites filled with advice from fellow ESL expats and offers of employment abroad, and I knew, then, that I was no longer a prisoner. You've never seen a guy smile like I did in early 1999.
There was no catch. I cut and pasted my resume (or curriculum vita) into the e-mail template, loaded in about 200 addresses to the Bcc (blind carbon copy) file, and within 24 hours had 10 job offers, mostly in China, Japan and Korea. China--for political reasons ("the John Birch thing")--was never an option, and I didn't have the $jack$ to afford a month in Japan, on my own dime, while I awaited my first paycheck. So, Korea it was (and, apart from some short-term gigs in Bangkok, Thailand, still is)...
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2003-02-05 14:51 | User Profile
24 views, no takers? ? :)
2003-02-05 15:24 | User Profile
Married, divorced - no kids, of course. Such is the fate of the white man. Blame the GOVT for high taxes, I dunno, but blame yourself for no progeny.
Don't mean to be harsh, but that's my take on the article.
-Jay
2003-02-06 06:04 | User Profile
Jay,
Hi, a s s h o l e ! (don't mean to be harsh or anything...).
I'm 37. Strom Thurmond was 70 when he issued the seed of his last progeny. I got time.
& what the f*ck do you know of my circumstances, aside from the thumbnail sketch that was this latest essay? My ex- might have been barren; I might be sterile. Would you blame God, then, for my lack of progeny?
& who else could possibly be responsible for high taxes (other than GOVT)? I don't know of another entity with the power to steal from you at the point of a gun or of prison time, but if you do, just lemme gno.
In sum: What a dickhole you are. Or, at least that's what I got of your reply.
2003-02-06 07:36 | User Profile
I tend not to continue reading articles when they start in a long-winded fashion and pay much attention to details that don't go to the point.
So, you you living paycheck to paycheck when you discovered that you could get a job in the Orient and live very nicely. And, we could do it too.
However, I'm not willing to leave my friends and family for any amount of money (but, anyone is free to tempt me!).
2003-02-06 09:39 | User Profile
So, you you living paycheck to paycheck when you discovered that you could get a job in the Orient and live very nicely. And, we could do it too.
Yup. That's the sum-total of the essay. It was a quickie...had to get something out, as I've not written in ages (been traveling in Thailand; now I'm back in Korea, and am much more energetic in cold weather).
& to each his/her own as to prose-style.
TBF
2003-02-06 17:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 6 2003, 02:04 ** My ex- might have been barren; I might be sterile. Would you blame God, then, for my lack of progeny?
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Acid Humour
SPIKE tracks down Todd Fahey, conspiracy novelist par excellence
SPIKE note: This interview first appeared in the print zine Carbon 14. Todd Fahey is still without a UK publisher for Wisdom's Maw, despite rave reviews from every sector of the literary press. Go figure, as they would say in America. Check this and then check his short story "Fear And Loathing In Amsterdam" in SPIKE's "New Writing" section...
About five months ago, we received a copy of Todd Fahey's book Wisdom's Maw. I'd seen ads for it somewhere. Or maybe saw his Web page. Either way, I had definitely heard about it before it appeared in our mailbox. (Which kind of makes sense now that I know a little more about the book and its author.) Personally, I'm not that enthralled by conspiracy theories, although I am fascinated by Larry's insistance that JFK was killed by Woody Harrelson's father, but even I was intrigued by the theme of this novel. Was the whole 60's counterculture "beatnik" revolution the result of the CIA screwing around with college kids' lives and minds? Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg government pawns? And how does that tie in with JFK's assassination? You'll have to investigate for yourself. I recommend a visit to Todd's Web page (http://www.fargonebooks.com) which explores the book's terrain more than this interview. -Leslie
Carbon 14: How long had Wisdom's Maw been completed before you decided to self-publish it?
Todd Brendan Fahey: Wisdom's Maw was conceived at the turn of 1988-89, in a period of increasingly heavy LSD usage for me. I was living in Santa Barbara, CA and had been accepted into the prestigious & ultra-expensive Professional Writing Program at USC for the Master's degree - this after having basically been run out of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism at Arizona State University for writing "too much like Hunter Thompson." It is important to note that, at that time. (Spring 1988), I had never read Hunter Thompson. Not a word. I'm fairly sure I'd never even heard of him (I've spent many hours on this question and poured over all my old college folders. and there is no evidence at all of my ever encountering his work). I can pinpoint the exact moment that I recall discovering Thompson, and it was not until I bailed ASU in May of' '88 and moved back to Santa Barbara. (If you want to know the particulars, check out the article I wrote for a skin-mag back in '91, on my Web site.) This is an absolutely critical point if anyone is to fully appreciate my writing. I am not a "Hunter Thompson clone" (though one could do much worse). I share with Thompson the "black comedic" cast of mind; I am also an inveterate outsider and loner, with tendencies toward misanthropism.
CI4: What are the advantages you've found to being self-published?
TBF: Being self-published means basically to be a one-man (in my case) whole-service industry. I am the shipping clerk, the order taker, the PR mouth, the advertising specialist - the training for which has been all on-the-job. By the time I'm through with this whole Wisdom's Maw process, I really feel I could and should command a $100k yearly salary at a NY publishing house. 'Cause, if Wisdom's Maw takes off as a seller, it will be me & no other who got it there. The real advantage to me in this process, is to meet people like you. Truly, that's been the human bonus. I am on pretty cozy terms now with the ed/pubs of most of America's best counterculture magazines. No one knows better than I how f*cking tough it is to get published, and to be able to just pick up the phone and say, 'Hey, buddy! I've got John Barlow hangin', wanna see the interview? Groovy. Let's do cola soon. Ciao," is kind of a mind-boggling thing. (I'm kidding about the cola - haven't touched it since 1987.) The horrendous disadvantage to self-publication is, obviously, the money. I'm in hock about $20k to Citibank right row and they ought to be conscious of remaining REALLY NICE TO ME, because it would be incredibly easy to declare Chapter 7 and call this whole thing a bad dream. But I want to keep Far Gone Books running. And so it's not in my best interest to go belly-up.
CI4: What influence have psychedelics had on your writing?
TBF: I have a deeply-embedded fear of being 'straight.' I'll be frank about it. I have been enamored of chemicals since my childhood and it is surely the bane of my existence. I lost my wife over it just this past year. I love her and respect her enough to have finally told her, 'l can't promise I will change & a promise is what you want.' So, we divorced after 5 1/2 years of a rewarding and tumultuous marriage. She did not know about my LSD intake during the writing of Wisdom's Maw. I hid it from her - an LSD addicton that sometimes went for 40 days in a row - and in hiding my usage, psychologically, I almost destroyed myself. I am digging myself out of the wreckage that is lies as we speak.
[For the record, it was my soon-to-be-ex-wife - just after I had told her about my LSD years - who laid out the book in Adobe PageMaker. She is a wonderful Mormon woman. I can't thank her enough. The getting out of this book is one of the miracles of modern medicine. Maybe someday I'll get a chance to write about it.]
My relationship with chemicals is an uncomfortable one. To be very honest I am either bored of the "sober life," or else it scares the sh*t out of me. I don't know which. From the age of seventeen, I don't think I've been straight more than a week at any given period. My survival is a testament to the strength of the human will. I had a hideous relationship with alcohol from 1982-1986 (from the age of 17 to a wizened 22, when I went through rehab.) I relapsed to the bottle in '93, after about the 120th rejection of Wisdom's Maw. I 'drank-to- die' until Thanksgiving of '95 - a fifth of Wild Turkey a day. I've shed many tears over the memory of those days. I was so desperate to get Wisdom's Maw published.
CI4: Is Wisdom's Maw your first book?
TBF: I've been writing a goddamned long time. I wrote my first book-length nonfiction 'novel' - a thing called Hell Bottled Up: Chronicles of a Late Propaganda Minister - in 1988, in my first semester at USC. Wrote it in a white-heat in six months, basically smashed on acid. Hell Bottled Up! is an autobiographical novel centering on my two violent years as a right-wing activist in Arizona, during the heyday of Governor Evan Mecham and a revival of the John Birch Society. You drop the name Todd Brendan Fahey around certain circles in Arizona today and you better watch your back. Oh, I've lived a really weird life.I became acquainted with conspiracy theory through the John Birch Society in 1984 and am credited with founding the first-ever college chapter of the JBS. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. But I was also a terrible drunk and was more than a little curious about psychedelics. Plus, I was a slut. (Heeee.)
That manuscript made the rounds of New York for three years, and at one point Faber & Faber fell in love with it, and Villard took a look at it. Thunder's Mouth Press wanted to see it specifically - but my then-agent couldn't close the deal. I finally shelved it in '92 , as I was becoming a better writer. I thought I should clean it up, and I didn't have the strength to look at it again. So, before I had even begun Wisdom's Maw, I had this other semi-notorious "novel" written and was frustrated about not selling it. So, by the time I got a hundred pages into this incredibly dark and deranged CIA/LSD novel, I was antsy to sell it pre-finish. I must have ridden my agent terribly. I was so certain it was going to be a blockbuster. I just could NOT understand why the NY majors weren't beating my door down. I still can't, fools! Now that Wisdom's Maw is getting great reviews in about every counterculture magazine that matter, I feel vindicated. It's not selling extremely well, but it's also not in very many book stores (like 10, maybe.) The chains won't touch it. I can't buy a distributor. It's a monster. I've sold about 3000 copies through my Web site and word of mouth. I unloaded 50 copies while I was in Amsterdam; visit any of the English/American book stores there and you'll find it. They loved it over there.
CI4: What other titles are planned for Far Gone Books?
TBF: Fresh Fruit & Gravity, a first-book of poems by Jim Tolan, will be out in about a month. It's a gorgeous thing, and at $9.95 (big commercial plug) is a steal, for a signed first. Jim is a friend of mine, a fellow Ph.D. at U. of Southwestern Louisiana, and a 1994 winner of the AWP Intro Award for poetry. He is working very much within the Whitman-bardic tradition - the larger "I-as-soul-of-America" thing - and I hope this book wins an award for best small press design, because it is stunning. I've been very lucky to have had two hungry graphics guys offer to design my first two books for pocket change. In May, I will release my demented short stories, titled Dogshit Park & other atrocities, which are the blackest things to come out since the heyday of Burroughs, Terry Southern and Hubert Selby, Jr., all of whom are my forefathers. After that, a collection of scholarly criticism on Hunter S. Thompson, which I think will surprise a lot of academics. Past that, I'll have to figure out my money situation. Any addled philanthropists out there reading this interview should mail checks & money orders to: Far Gone Books, P.O.Box 43745, Lafayette, LA 70504.
CI4: If you aren't trying to be the next Thompson, where did the idea of a "Fear and Loathing" piece originate?
TBF: As far as this "Fear and Loathing" piece, the story is pretty simple. I sent a review copy of Wisdom's Maw to Smoke (a NY cigar magazine aimed at Gen-X) and their assistant editor loved it. After a few fruitless phone calls back and forth with assignment ideas, they came up with the idea of "Fear and Loathing." I almost lost my lunch. Really. I walked around in a sh*t-eating daze for a week. So, I went to Amsterdam, started getting REALLY out of my head, like I hadn't in several years. (For the record, I stopped eating LSD in the summer of 1994 and, Bog willing, I will never pick up the habit again. Too many reminders. Too much psychic trauma. I'll probably do it again, 'cause I did it in Amsterdam - some incredibly pure & powerful stuff - but not as a "means of writing.")
But then it dawned on me: 'Crap, I can't pull a Hunter, Jr. I just can't.' I don't have much going for me these days - I'm probably unemployable in terms of a tenure-track teaching job, even though I will have my Ph.D. by May '97. God bless the school that gives me a gig. A "charitable institution," indeed. I have my writerly reputation and I can't afford to soil it. So, the article became a 'How-to-write a 'Fear and Loathing' piece," mixed with some insight on Thompson, who is my patron saint, and then a little segue into this fictional thing that will be Fear and Loathing in Amsterdam: A Gonzo Novel. Aaron Sigmond, editor-in-chief of Smoke, hated what I gave him, and he "killed the piece."
I admit, I went totally sideways on it; but I'm the loosest of cannons, and that's what I do best. My ex-wife loved that about me: "Never, ever a dull moment around the Toddmonster." It's going to be a great book and a lot of fun to write; but I like writing. I don't consider it, as does Hunter, "the most hateful kind of work." I'd rather be writing than doing just about anything - except maybe cruising the Red Light District of Amsterdam...so let me get back to work.
2003-02-06 21:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 6 2003, 00:04 ** Jay,
Hi, a s s h o l e ! (don't mean to be harsh or anything...).
I'm 37.ÃÂ Strom Thurmond was 70 when he issued the seed of his last progeny.ÃÂ I got time.
& what the f*ck do you know of my circumstances, aside from the thumbnail sketch that was this latest essay?ÃÂ My ex- might have been barren; I might be sterile.ÃÂ Would you blame God, then, for my lack of progeny?
& who else could possibly be responsible for high taxes (other than GOVT)?ÃÂ I don't know of another entity with the power to steal from you at the point of a gun or of prison time, but if you do, just lemme gno.
In sum: What a dickhole you are.ÃÂ Or, at least that's what I got of your reply. **
A little harsh, sir. No need for the profanity, especially since there are ladies here. All Jay was saying that he would rather be a family man than being lonely and single. As for me, I would have liked to have done what you have done for a while when I was single, except that I would rather have gone to Europe or Russia. I like oriential food but not the culture and I do not find oriental men attractive. The taxes and hours sound good but I would rather be home with my own people.
Also, go get some help. A life of drinking, drugs, and whores just leads to an early death.
2003-02-06 23:49 | User Profile
**Hi, a s s h o l e ! (don't mean to be harsh or anything...).
I'm 37. Strom Thurmond was 70 when he issued the seed of his last progeny. I got time.**
True.
what the f*ck do you know of my circumstances, aside from the thumbnail sketch that was this latest essay? My ex- might have been barren; I might be sterile. Would you blame God, then, for my lack of progeny?
Could be lots of reason, agreed.
who else could possibly be responsible for high taxes (other than GOVT)? I don't know of another entity with the power to steal from you at the point of a gun or of prison time, but if you do, just lemme gno.
As I've said before, I don't see anyone in America starving. I do see lots of fat people, tho. I see lots of SUVs, nice homes, and the NFL stadiums sure are full. Maybe people are broke, but I'm not seeing it yet.
Besides, it's not stealing if we agree to it. And we agree to the tax rates we impose on ourselves.
In sum: What a dickhole you are. Or, at least that's what I got of your reply.
Didn't mean to offend. I just noted that you are divorced, living among the Asians with no kids of your own. That's what I gleaned from the article. Again, my bad.
-Jah
2003-02-06 23:54 | User Profile
Don't you mind Jay none, Todd, that's just how he is. I think he's been living up north too long.
TBF wrote: As a divorced man with no dependents ...and with a palate that tends toward Asian cuisine (and with an eye that definitely tends toward Asian women)
I may be living up North for too long, but apparently I've avoided living out EAST, huh?
-Jay
2003-02-06 23:57 | User Profile
** All Jay was saying that he would rather be a family man than being lonely and single.**
True, although the extension of that thought is the concept that I would not live amongst hordes of Asians.
Now, I respect TBF if that is his life's course. I really do. However, if he's living in another country and looking for Asian women, what is he doing talking about Paleo/WN struggles in the West?
Should I read his articles when he lives in Korea and goes bonkers for Asian honeys? Sounds like the RBAN of the Far East.
-Jay
2003-02-07 03:31 | User Profile
Wow, takin' a lot of fire on this thread...
1) Miss (or Mrs.) Kemper, sorry if the profanity offended you, but "Jay" earned it. :)
2) Who said anything about being lonely? I've a lovely girlfriend here in Korea, and I hope to marry her in the not-too-distant future.
2a) After meeting the aforementioned--and having been introduced to a woman who is both refined, artistic and extremely attentive--I doubt that I could ever again deal w/ yr average conflicted/bossy/"independent"/product-of-too-much-Oprah North American woman. The "white nationalists" among ye will call me a race-traitor for it (f * c k y o u), but half of that is probably envy. :)
3) As for "drugs"--I believe that LSD (and mushrooms) makes one smarter, by expanding certain neural pathways. Marijuana is a burn-out, in the long run. Booze (aside from a glass or two of red wine, on rare occasion) has proven to be my nemesis, and I quit drinking back in '94 or so, right around the time of those Spike magazine and Carbon 14 interviews. Psychedelics are physically harmless (non-toxic--no one's ever died from an "LSD overdose" or from magic mushrooms (unless they picked a toadstool by mistake). Leary lived to be 76 and died of prostate cancer; Kesey (not even much of a drinker) died of a rare liver cancer (non alcohol-related); Aldous Huxley died of tongue cancer (ironically, smoking tobacco got him, and not "drugs").
I believe in rock-bottom Jeffersonian (tending strongly toward "anti-Federalist" thought...Hamilton was the enemy) Constitutionalism. Am a fervent supporter of the 2nd amendment; the US needs to withdraw from the UN and boot the UN HQ and all personnel from US soil; we need to abolish the Federal Reserve System and return to a hard money standard (Article 1, Section 8, Constitution); end all foreign aid, including to Israel; abolish the 16th and 17th amendments (the Marxist "progressive" Income Tax and the direct election of Senators); deport all illegal aliens, bring our troops home from NATO countries and from the Balkans, and install them on the US/Mexico border (as well as encouraging citizen militia to patrol the border); I'd like to see most CFR/Trilateral Commission members indicted for espionage and treason.
& if that ain't patriotic enough for you, tough luck.
2003-02-07 09:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 5 2003, 11:11 **Flight from Wage-Slavery: The Brain-Drain Cuts Both Ways
by Todd Brendan Fahey
The saga is an age-old one, and I'd read enough about the persecution of James Joyce and Samuel Beckett in their native Ireland, of Joseph Conrad and Jerzy Kozinski in their native Poland, and of the so-called "Lost Generation" (Hemingway, John Dos Passos, T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Henry Miller, et al.), whose migrations to England, France and Italy have been fodder for hundreds of biographies, movies and novels, to know that sometimes the grass is greener on the other side. Prior to my departure, the mural artist Robert Dafford--with whom I'd been collaborating, and who had had significant success in Canada and Belgium, when no one in America would commission his work--said to me, "Todd, sometimes a guy's gotta become known abroad to become famous at home."
It was good advice, and I took it. Banished from the university classroom, reduced to low-level editing work for a group of attorneys in Laughayette, destitute and nearly homeless, I hopped on the public library's Internet bay one afternoon, typed in "Teaching English as a Foreign Language," and saw my life changed within 24 hours. Besides, I'd never made more than $24,000/annum in America, and, coupled with extortionate local, state, federal and FICA taxes, and after rent, car payments, car insurance, like most Americans, I was never more than 2 paychecks away from poverty anyway.
**
Todd this is an interesting saga, if it seems to me rather common among unemployable American college grads. In a better world it wouldn't be necessary, but I'm glad things are working out for you. In my experience the expatriate exhiliration over time can become jaded, as does one's novelty in the eye's of your hosts.
However I can definitely say that you're novelty will probably last longer than most. Just try to stay of the hard acid and other stuff. ;)
2003-02-07 11:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 6 2003, 21:31 The "white nationalists" among ye will call me a race-traitor for it
Hell no Todd, miscegenation isn't the problem; it just gets rid of the dead weight. To engage in miscegenation is to opt out of the White race. One can opt out of something without betraying it.
You'd have to do something actually treasonous to get stuck with the traitor label, like maybe teaching English to "underpaid, undervalued, and/or persecuted folk from various [non-White] nations [enabling them to] escape their strictures to find a better life [and American's jobs] in America". Therefore as a White Nationalist I hereby exonerate you of all charges of 'Race Treason' and declare this kangaroo court closed.
2003-02-07 14:56 | User Profile
**2a) After meeting the aforementioned--and having been introduced to a woman who is both refined, artistic and extremely attentive--I doubt that I could ever again deal w/ yr average 2a) After meeting the aforementioned--and having been introduced to a woman who is both refined, artistic and extremely attentive--I doubt that I could ever again deal w/ yr average conflicted/bossy/"independent"/product-of-too-much-Oprah North American woman. The "white nationalists" among ye will call me a race-traitor for it (f * c k y o u), but half of that is probably envy.
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Todd, it sounds like you are the one that is conflicted. I respect my husband because he has earned my respect. He is a real man. If he was a druggie like you I would have never looked at him. An oriental woman is great for a man like you. They take anything from their men and as a result oriental men are perpetual juvenilles. She will allow you to continue your life of drugs and boyhood in comfort. You are looking for a mother and not a wife. Jay did not deserve profanity. I think it immature of you to respond to the people here in that way. He expressed himself well without it, unlike you, who calls himself a writer. I think you envy him because he has a stable life.
You defend drug usage. Interesting. They haven't made you content. You only use them because you don't want to face your demons and grow up.
Please don't write about traditional American values when you don't live them and lash out at conflicted "conflicted/bossy/"independent"/product-of-too-much-Oprah North American woman" when you are a conflicted/ weak/drug-addicted/ Peter Pan boy-man who is still looking for "Never-neverland".
2003-02-07 16:51 | User Profile
As I've said before, I don't see anyone in America starving. I do see lots of fat people, tho. I see lots of SUVs, nice homes, and the NFL stadiums sure are full. Maybe people are broke, but I'm not seeing it yet. Besides, it's not stealing if we agree to it. And we agree to the tax rates we impose on ourselves.
This is a good point. "Poor" here tends to be relative in that most poor people have color TVs, cell phones and a full gullet, whereas the poor in say, India, are literally wasting away. However, I suspect what you are seeing in regards to full NFL stadiums, SUVs and nice houses is simply the phenomenon of foks living beyond their means in order to keep up with the Joneses or through refusing to accept a reduction in living standards. How many of the goodies are bought on credit and how much credit card (and other) debt do these consumers carry? That would be an interesting figure. Most of the luxuries these days seem to be financed by going into a massive amount of debt, which the banks are only too happy to see, but the problem lies in the fact that the credit is finite and when that runs out, I think you'll see that about the only thing keeping the economy going is consumer spending. Since most of that is now debt, what happens when the banks stop extending credit? There are signs of cracks now appearing in the facade. Look at the increase in bankruptcy filings, and the Bush administration's push to reform the bankruptcy laws (can a revival of debtor's prison be around the corner?). The banks are no doubt screaming about the losses, but I think they don't dare reduce the amount of credit they extend, or the whole house of cards comes a-tumblin' down.
As far as taxes go, I think they are theft. How did we "agree" to the tax rates? Did you ever get to vote on what your tax rate is? I know I didn't. The same way nobody ever gets to vote on anything important, like immigration, for instance. You might argue we indirectly set tax rates by voting for those that do so, but given that a lot of folks pay no taxes at all (check out the Earned Income Tax Credit scam if you want to be nauseated), but still want gummint services and can vote themselves that service at others' expense, I don't see how that's agreement. Silence does not necessarily equal consent and just because you pay your taxes instead of go to jail doesn't mean you "agree". Tyranny of the majority, eh wot?
2003-02-07 19:23 | User Profile
The "white nationalists" among ye will call me a race-traitor for it (f * c k y o u), but half of that is probably envy. :)
Uh, yeah....sure thing guy. Where do you get these odd delusions?
As for "drugs"--I believe that LSD (and mushrooms) makes one smarter, by expanding certain neural pathways. Psychedelics are physically harmless (non-toxic--no one's ever died from an "LSD overdose" or from magic mushrooms (unless they picked a toadstool by mistake). Leary lived to be 76 and died of prostate cancer
That explains it.
-Jay
2003-02-07 19:30 | User Profile
**"Poor" here tends to be relative in that most poor people have color TVs, cell phones and a full gullet, whereas the poor in say, India, are literally wasting away. **
Yep. I'm not happy with what's going on in our nation, but I think it's unfair to say that people are being "abused" by our economic system. Man alive, we mock blacks who complain about their living standards - why should we complain about ours?
**However, I suspect what you are seeing in regards to full NFL stadiums, SUVs and nice houses is simply the phenomenon of foks living beyond their means in order to keep up with the Joneses or through refusing to accept a reduction in living standards. How many of the goodies are bought on credit and how much credit card (and other) debt do these consumers carry? That would be an interesting figure. **
Average family has about $9,000 in credit card debt, last figure I checked.
As far as taxes go, I think they are theft. How did we "agree" to the tax rates? Did you ever get to vote on what your tax rate is? I know I didn't. The same way nobody ever gets to vote on anything important, like immigration, for instance. You might argue we indirectly set tax rates by voting for those that do so
I do think it's different than the immigration scam. Taxes are very obvious to all (who the hell doesn't check his paycheck every 2 weeks?) - public knowledge, and a "boilerplate issue" that people obsess about. Taxes directly impact your life.
However, immigration is unknown to most Americans in the Midwest & NE. That's why it's not the issue it should be.
Finally, half the nation WANTS high taxes on the middle/upper class. Less than one-fifth wants more immigration.
-Jay
2003-02-07 20:14 | User Profile
Finally, half the nation WANTS high taxes on the middle/upper class.
Sure, the half that pays minimal to no taxes whatsoever, but that doesn't make it right. I think the whole discussion will be rendered moot in short order, though, as state after state undergoes a budget crunch that cannot be swept under the rug. Pretty soon, feeding time at the zoo will be over as whitey runs out of bananas, all the while importing more "cheap" labor that, strangely enough, latches directly onto the taxpayer's tit. Then, things are liable to get very interesting.
2003-02-07 20:21 | User Profile
One of Karl Marx's biggest mistakes was his inability to forsee the extension of the vote to the lower class. The workers did not overthrow the capitalists b/c they finally had a "say" in policy.
Now, it's obvious that the elites grant this vote as a way to pacify the impoverished. If 60% of the vote is cast in favor of high-taxes, then we're out of luck. It's not a GOVT conspiracy. The immigraiton crisis most certainly IS a conspiracy, tho.
I am not sure whites will run out of money, b/c they are educted and understand basic finance. So long as they control the bulk of the wealth, these poor immigrants will keep food/clothing cheap and keep inflation low.
I don't want them around - but I don't think they'll collapse us economically. They'll collapse us culturally.
-Jay
2003-02-07 20:49 | User Profile
but I don't think they'll collapse us economically. They'll collapse us culturally.
I guess my point is the two go hand in hand. Look at South Africa.
As far as the catering to voters with tax money, no, it's not a conspiracy, it's just politically expedient.
I don't know about being educated or understanding basic finance when the average credit card debt is $9000! That means someone's holding up my end.
Besides, you really can't be said to "control" wealth when it's subject to confiscation via taxes with the stroke of a pen. Also, low inflation doesn't matter (if what we've got now can be said to be "low") if your tax bill goes up at the same time you're getting all those cheap goods.
Some point to socialist countries like Sweden, Denmark, etc. that have very high taxes and a lot of social services as proof that high taxes can work, but we come full circle back to culture; those countries were, until recently, very homogeneous culturally and racially. With the flood of immigrants into Europe, you're starting to see some major cracks in the happy socialist facade.
2003-02-07 21:06 | User Profile
Well, you can have credit-card debt and still be financially secure. Some people I know have 20K in credit card debt but have home equity of 3-4 times that amount.
No doubt, the GOVT controls your wealth with their pens. They can confiscate your money when they please.
We may be getting off topic here. You talk about immigrants ruining Europe. Do you feel TBF coming back from Korea with a few korean kids will help paleo-conservatism in the USA? Wonder what Wintermute, Il Ragno and Franco feel about TBF's race mixing comments?
-Jay
2003-02-07 23:52 | User Profile
I guess you could be financially secure, but paying 18-21% interest on 20k doesn't sound like the greatest path there.
But you're right, we're drifting off topic. Myself, I don't really care a fig about race-mixing. On a personal level, I don't really find it pleasant, but those who are so inclined or misled into believing that it's all great will probably suffer more punishment from the relationship than any skinhead could dish out. (You want a picture of happiness? Look in the grocery store for the fat, blond woman with two mulattoes in tow and Tyrone the daddy long gone). Besides, I wouldn't like a society where racial purity is enforced at the point of a gun any more than multiculti that is thrust down our collective throats today. I guess my feelings pretty much mirror Wintermute's as I'm feeling ineloquent today.
2003-02-08 05:50 | User Profile
skemper:
For the record, I haven't used LSD or any other drug (other than a few joints in Bangkok, at 8-month intervals, when I visit Thailand) since 1994. So, "drug-addicted" is not the truth at all.
I do defend "drug use," as anyone who drinks coffee or tea or Coca Cola (caffeine is a fairly powerful, tho short-acting stimulant; interestingly, when the Turks brought coffee to England from the Ottoman Empire, the punishment by then then-King of England for ingestion of coffee was severe), smokes cigarettes (nicotine is a very powerful stimulant) or drinks a beer whilst watching NFL or a glass of wine during dinner (alcohol being a central nervous system depressant)... I doubt you are "drug-free" by your own standards. But to each her own, eh?
You know zip about my girlfriend, her temperament, or what I want from a marriage (e.g., I've got one Mom, don't need another, that's for sure), so I'll let that one pass.
I'm not here to argue w/ Puritans. I'm not one, never claimed to be, and see Puritanism as a theocratic trap. I was married to a Mormon woman, and--although she was pretty free-thinking--never saw a more blinders-on/sheepish group of folk.
Mebbe best to just ignore my posts; "walk on by," as the song goes. Unless you really WANT to wrangle, in which case, welcome!
TBF
2003-02-08 06:03 | User Profile
I don't know want to make of this mess????
*TBF: I have a deeply-embedded fear of being 'straight.' I'll be frank about it. I have been enamored of chemicals since my childhood and it is surely the bane of my existence. I lost my wife over it just this past year. I love her and respect her enough to have finally told her, 'l can't promise I will change & a promise is what you want.' So, we divorced after 5 1/2 years of a rewarding and tumultuous marriage. She did not know about my LSD intake during the writing of Wisdom's Maw. I hid it from her - an LSD addicton that sometimes went for 40 days in a row - and in hiding my usage, psychologically, I almost destroyed myself. I am digging myself out of the wreckage that is lies as we speak.
[For the record, it was my soon-to-be-ex-wife - just after I had told her about my LSD years - who laid out the book in Adobe PageMaker. She is a wonderful Mormon woman. I can't thank her enough. The getting out of this book is one of the miracles of modern medicine. Maybe someday I'll get a chance to write about it.] *
I will say I would have rather sayed married to the nice LDS girl than burn out my brain on LSD. Those Mormon Girls are some of niceist young Women I ever meet.
Skemper is Right: A little harsh, sir. No need for the profanity, especially since there are ladies here. All Jay was saying that he would rather be a family man than being lonely and single....A life of drinking, drugs, and whores just leads to an early death. I am lonely and single and agree.
However, if he's living in another country and looking for Asian women, what is he doing talking about Paleo/WN struggles in the West? Should I read his articles when he lives in Korea and goes bonkers for Asian honeys? Sounds like the RBAN of the Far East.-Jay
2003-02-08 12:56 | User Profile
Those Mormon Girls are some of niceist [sic] young Women I ever meat.
Will assume this was a typo & not a "Freudian slip," ho ho...
I will say I would have rather sayed [sic] married to the nice LDS girl than burn out my brain on LSD.
Will also assume you don't drink coffee, tea, smoke, or drink any form of alcohol (ever)...elsewise, you have no idea what it's like to be married to a "serious Mormon." If you wanna test out this theory, please go cold turkey on the aforementioned, for about 4 years, and tell me how it goes (I did...couldn't hack it).
Type much?? :) One too many Budweisers? You tell me.
Lastly, you're using the "either/or" fallacy: e.g.: Either one saves his brain, Or one uses LSD and loses it. Dumb logic, obviously.
Anyone who can hold down a full professorship in English at university (& I have, continuously, since 1992), pen a novel, a collection of short stories, maintain 5 Web sites and serve as 1/4 of the Board of Directors of EtherZone.com has to have maintained a goodly modicum of the grey matter. So, either I'm extra gifted by God in the cranium, and lost more than you've ever been blessed with, or LSD doesn't impair brain function. You can't have it both ways.
These are hard things for some people to wrestle with, I know. But try.
2003-02-08 13:47 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 8 2003, 12:56 Will also assume you don't drink coffee, tea, smoke, or drink any form of alcohol (ever)...elsewise, you have no idea what it's like to be married to a "serious Mormon."ÃÂ If you wanna test out this theory, please go cold turkey on the aforementioned, for about 4 years, and tell me how it goes (I did...couldn't hack it).
Todd, a lot of people don't really do this much, though you may think I'm another Morman. :D
Lastly, you're using the "either/or" fallacy: e.g.: Either one saves his brain, Or** one uses LSD and loses it.ÃÂ Dumb logic, obviously.
Anyone who can hold down a full professorship in English at university (& I have, continuously, since 1992), pen a novel, a collection of short stories, maintain 5 Web sites and serve as 1/4 of the Board of Directors of EtherZone.com has to have maintained a goodly modicum of the grey matter.ÃÂ So, either I'm extra gifted by God in the cranium, and lost more than you've ever been blessed with, or LSD doesn't impair brain function.ÃÂ You can't have it both ways.
These are hard things for some people to wrestle with, I know.ÃÂ But try.**
You aren't being deliberately provocative are you? Texas Dissident doesn't like talk about the "either/or" fallacy. ;)
Seriously, I don't think anyone with any gravity has articulated a serious case for LSD since Timothy Leary. I think you brought him up on this forum once didn't you?
The argument regarding LSD was fairly serious for a while but then it completely faded away, as medical and psychiatric opinion turned almost unanimously against it. I hope you didn't in the past and don't in the future ever use your position as an authority figure to minimize the seriousness of the consequences of hard drug use like LSD.
It is quite tempting to try to use your own personna for my armchair attempts at amateur psychology, but I'll pass. For one thing, you can have a rather thin skin at times.
I will just note however, on an abstract level from what I know about LSD, is it does definitely affect cognitive functions, as do any strong drugs. The effect of LSD, my Psychology professor in college told me, can be quite dangerous, as you well know. LSD belongs to a category of drugs known as psycogens - that is, drugs that simulate psychotic symptoms and behavior in people who normally have no such symptoms.
One reason they are dangerous is because psychotic behavior is not always as easy to terminate as it is to initiate. LSD "flashbacks" are one of the many forms of such long term effects which have noted by behavioral researchers.
Participating in forums like this, I have enough incitement, and stir enough suspicions in other people of, psychotic type behavior such as paranoia and conspiracy theories, anti-social behavior, and tendencies toward what many consider sociopathic behavior, rightly or not. One struggles to moderate any possible excesses in such as much as possible for polity's sake, and certainly doesn't want to accentuate them.
2003-02-08 14:07 | User Profile
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(Okie, you're a friend and good guy, so I'll refrain from invectives).
Have you ever tried LSD? If not, you're not competent to speak of its effects. A psychiatrist can study the behavior of one under the influence of LSD (or any other drug, for that matter), but is only witnessing one person's behavior, at a single session. A chemist can study its molecular components, make comparisons to other affiliated molecular configurations, but that's about it.
I've eaten over 500 "hits" of LSD in my lifetime (good sh*t; had a 1st-hand producing-source pal in Berkeley, CA for a time). Leary told me (personally--I interviewed him several times, got pretty close to him), that that was a "hell of a lot of LSD," ho ho... & I've passed stringent security clearances at the civilian level (combining cognitive, memory, agility/dexterity, hearing and other factor tests) at one point, in the height of my LSD use (1988/89), for a defense subcontractor in Santa Barbara, CA.
Dunno what else there is to say. LSD hasn't impaired my functions in the slightest. It did perforce the breakup of my marriage, back in '96, and I can't say that I've never had a bad trip...but I've seen people much worse off standing outside Joe's Bar'n'Grill, AnyTown, USA, screaming at the top of their lungs at their friends or wives or husbands, and having no memory of any of it the next day.
That doesn't happen on LSD. Anyone w/ a relatively stable neurochemistry will remember (nearly) everything that happens during a Trip. And you don't want to repeat mistakes, believe me.
So, whatever you learned from your psychology professor, who has probably never tried LSD either, is nuthin' more than textbook regurgitation. Kind of like mastering the ins and outs of entrepreneurship without having ever run a business.
Selah.
2003-02-08 15:00 | User Profile
...this thread's come a LONG way from the originating article.
For his own reasons, "weisbrot" felt compelled to do some online digging, and posted a 7-year old interview of me, and which, tangentially, coupled "drugs" into the crux of what I'd just written for EtherZone, which was:
Do "We The People" have an obligation to stay within the 50 states and submit ourselves to extortion, or is it not better to defund the Beast and to go abroad, work for a foreign corporation, perhaps send our $ back home (as the Mexicans are doing in our country), and reverse polarity on the scam that FedGov is pulling on U.S.?
It was a nice side-track, "weisbrot," and I'm more than happy to debate the "drugs question" with anyone here, but this thread is and should be about "wage slavery."
Let's get it back on track. Thx.
2003-02-08 15:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 7 2003, 17:34 ** OTOH, I've met plenty of the results of these unions. They're whiter than I am, in a host of ways. Also quite striking.... A small trickle of foreign blood is actually quite good for racial health generally - you'll avoid the side effects of high consaguinity, such as the endemic dental problems of fair Albion. **
WM:
That was a back-pedal that only a Trent Lott could respect.
But I don't believe you. Come on - - tell the truth: you laughed at the "Asian-hunt". Didn't you?
-Jay
2003-02-08 15:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by MadScienceType@Feb 7 2003, 17:52 ** Myself, I don't really care a fig about race-mixing. On a personal level, I don't really find it pleasant, but **
Man, who would have thought that OD posters would care so little about race-mixing? Honestly I scratch my head at this. If this board doesn't even care about miscegenation, what hope is there that the rest of America would see it our way?
(oops, I guess I should re-state: see it "my" way?)
-Jay
2003-02-08 16:06 | User Profile
Jay,
A coupla OD posters have taken you to the mat, insofar as your willingness to put up w/ Gubm't extortion. You seem to defend the practice (the 16th amendment--the Marxist "progressive" income tax) as something that is beyond your (or any US citizen's) control.
I've offered a viable solution (again, I'M PAYING 4% income tax and THAT'S IT; rent-free apartment; car allowance...some other perks I won't bore you with), and you're still talking about race-mixing. In one respect, fair enough, as I brought up my fondness for (particularly) Korean women, but that was one sentence in the essay.
I didn't post this thing to advocate "miscegenation" (if you can find the premise in the article, lemme know).
You and "weisbrot" are lobbing decoys into a serious question: which is: When Is Enough Enough? How best to keep your dollars earned, whilst defunding the Beast? Our Founders certainly never advocated a graduated income tax; in fact, the taxes that were to fund the new nation were to come via tariffs on foreign goods and certain user fees (such as with a toll road--if you use a certain bridge or highway, you pay for its upkeep).
You seem content to see the continuation of the present system. Seems odd. Maybe we can talk about this for awhile, and we can shift the debate about race-mixing and drugs to their own respective threads, of which this one ain't.
2003-02-08 16:19 | User Profile
You seem to defend the practice (the 16th amendment--the Marxist "progressive" income tax) as something that is beyond your (or any US citizen's) control.
I never defended it. I think tax rates are outrageous. I think Uncle Shmuel (that's a great term) is a thief. And worst, I know who (whites) is paying and who (nonwhites) are receiving.
**I've offered a viable solution (again, I'M PAYING 4% income tax and THAT'S IT; rent-free apartment; car allowance...some other perks I won't bore you with), and you're still talking about race-mixing. **
That's great. I respect your decision. I would not move to Korea just to save "tax dollars" - just as I would not move to North Dakota for the same purposes. We could all move to Angola if all we cared about were taxes.
In one respect, fair enough, as I brought up my fondness for (particularly) Korean women, but that was one sentence in the essay.
You wanted comments to your post, and that's the message that caught my eye. Since this is a board concerned with whites and our future, I think my comments worked in this context.
I didn't post this thing to advocate "miscegenation" (if you can find the premise in the article, lemme know).
Granted, not your purpose. But that's the way I saw it.
**You and "weisbrot" are lobbing decoys into a serious question: which is: When Is Enough Enough? How best to keep your dollars earned, whilst defunding the Beast? Our Founders certainly never advocated a graduated income tax; **
Preachin to the choir. I'm with you there.
You seem content to see the continuation of the present system. Seems odd.
All I pointed out was that Americans obviously are living high on the hog when I see all the fat-asses around me. Pigs pigs pigs - and not just food. The price of food, clothing and housing has fallen like a rock last 50 years.
My grandfather was ecstatic when they put a toilet inside at age 13. We take that for granted. Capitalism produces competition and high living standards. As Ayn Rand said: 2 ways to generate wealth in this world: steal it, or create it. And only capitalism has been able to create it.
-Jay
2003-02-08 16:36 | User Profile
I did and do want comments to my post. That you took a third of one sentence in 60 or sentences and made that the subject of your response sez to me that you're obsessed with your pet issue ("miscegenation").
Actually, first you slighted me for being divorced and not producing kids. But I digress...
Just a weird way to handle an article, in my book. But, as with Voltaire, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Selah.
2003-02-08 19:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 8 2003, 14:07
Well Todd, one thing about this little thread about your love of LSD and Asian women is it will make LGWH (latina gal's white husband) seem pretty low key around here, even if he posts his aborted fetus pictures again;) > **blahblahblah
(Okie, you're a friend and good guy, so I'll refrain from invectives).**
Merci.
Have you ever tried LSD? If not, you're not competent to speak of its effects.
Now com'mon Todd. I've never been to a whore house, gay bathhouse, or had an abortion either, (not that as a guy I could have one) but that doesn't mean I'm not competent to discourage these sorts of activities among others. Your arguments just make no sense from a personnal, let alone conservative, point of view.
A psychiatrist can study the behavior of one under the influence of LSD (or any other drug, for that matter), but is only witnessing one person's behavior, at a single session. A chemist can study its molecular components, make comparisons to other affiliated molecular configurations, but that's about it.
I've eaten over 500 "hits" of LSD in my lifetime (good sht; had a 1st-hand producing-source pal in Berkeley, CA for a time). Leary told me (personally--I interviewed him several times, got pretty close to him), that that was a "hell of a lot of LSD," ho ho... & I've passed stringent security clearances at the civilian level (combining cognitive, memory, agility/dexterity, hearing and other factor tests) at one point, in the height of my LSD use (1988/89), for a defense subcontractor in Santa Barbara, CA.*
Don't want to reign on your parade, but none of those things are what the primary effects of LSD would be expected to be.
Dunno what else there is to say. LSD hasn't impaired my functions in the slightest. It did perforce the breakup of my marriage, back in '96,
Well at least you're admitting your wife found more to object to than your wanting to drink tea and coffee
**and I can't say that I've never had a bad trip...but I've seen people much worse off standing outside Joe's Bar'n'Grill, AnyTown, USA, screaming at the top of their lungs at their friends or wives or husbands, and having no memory of any of it the next day.
That doesn't happen on LSD. Anyone w/ a relatively stable neurochemistry will remember (nearly) everything that happens during a Trip. And you don't want to repeat mistakes, believe me.**
Then why are you getting married again ;) :lol:
Seriously, I don't think being able to remember gives you protection against the dreaded flashback, which is a particularly vivid form of recall, involves being unable to forget.
**So, whatever you learned from your psychology professor, who has probably never tried LSD either, is nuthin' more than textbook regurgitation. Kind of like mastering the ins and outs of entrepreneurship without having ever run a business.
Selah.**
Thanks Todd, and I know I'm missing something, but I gues I'll just have to continue to take his word for it, over and against your anecdotal accounts. I don't plan to take 500 hits of LSD myself.
2003-02-08 20:03 | User Profile
You've digested the AMA (American Medical Association) doctrine hook/line/sinker. Congrats!
As for "flashbacks," I've written several times that I wish I had ever had one, as it'd save me a coupla bucks, ho ho...
Listen to yourself. You're QUOTING a professor of yours, who's probably never taken acid, and whose info most likely comes from the same government/AMA sources as were derived around 1966 to discredit lysergic acid diethylamide as a medicinal tool. You have 0.00 knowledge of LSD, aside from that professor under whom whom you studied, who, himself, has (most probably...99.9% probablity) has also 0.00% first-hand knowledge of LSD. And then you're telling me, a man who has taken 500 hits of pure LSD, that "flashbacks are dangerous."
& I'm telling you (who has had hand's-on experience with LSD) that I've never, ever, not once, I WISH, had "a flashback." Leary, also, laughed at the idea; Kesey, whom I knew and interviewed several times, also chortled heartily.
You're a friend, yes, but you're clueless. I've taken the stuff. I've studied it on a molecular/chemical, psychological and philosophical level (locked myself in the reserve book room at UC Santa Barbara at age 18 for 6 months before I ever took the stuff; I'd taken mushrooms before, in high school, loved 'em, and wanted to know more about LSD...got my hands on the full series of The Journal of Psychedelics, a series published by the AMA a long time ago). I determined that the effect would be more long-lasting but essentially the same as mushrooms, and guess what? I was right.
LSD is essentially a seretonin catalyst. Seretonin is the neurotransmitter which produces REM sleep (what makes you dream vividly). LSD, then, = your dreaming while you're awake. It's no mystery. & the stuff has a half-life in the brain/blood barrier of about 10 minutes. It's GONE after about 10 minutes in the blood-stream. The only thing LSD does is to open the seretonin floodgates in the brain.
There are only a few things in the word that I can claim to be an expert on, and LSD is one of them. Believe it or not, I could give a durned.
All that said, yes, certain persons who are prone to emotional disorders can go sideways on LSD. It's true. A few (I don't know...probably less than 200) people in history have thought that they could fly (Art Linkletter's daughter was one of them). Sad, but 1,000,000 or more people who thought that they could drive well after drinking have died in America since the invention of the automobile. Live and learn.
Bottom line: From all that you have read of my prose (despite your claim of my being "thin-skinned sometimes"), DOES IT SOUND LIKE I'M OUT OF MY MIND? Really? Ask yourself: "Would a man who has taken 500 hits of LSD be able to write articles for...fill-in-the-blank [do a Google search, I've written a ton]...publications if he were certifiable?"
& if not, then you'll come to the conclusion that just maybe LSD has been demonized by government (the Federal ban, under the DEA, Schedule I substance statute) for reasons of their own.
I don't care to argue the matter further, and this certainly isn't the thread for it. & I'm not asking you to join me in a hit of windowpane--wouldn't ever propose that someone use the stuff. & recall that I haven't (I forgot about the time in Amsterdam in '96, sorry for the earlier '94 reference)...haven't used at all in 7 years, and (except for once) in 9 years. BUT I WOULD DROP IT IN A HEARTBEAT IF I FOUND SOME GOOD STUFF TODAY! :)
I expect greater inquiry of folks here. Maybe I'm giving y'all too much credit. You sift through media bias very well, but there's a Puritanical/blinders'-on attitude about DRUGS. Dunno why that is. & again, when was the last time you drank a beer? Enjoyed it? Good for you! To each his own.
See ya, TBF
2003-02-08 20:44 | User Profile
**I expect greater inquiry of folks here. Maybe I'm giving y'all too much credit. You sift through media bias very well, but there's a Puritanical/blinders'-on attitude about DRUGS. Dunno why that is. & again, when was the last time you drank a beer? Enjoyed it? Good for you! To each his own. **
Sir, you are the ones with blinders on. Anyone who does not follow Christ is blind. I can drink a glass of wine and drive a car. Can you drive a car safely on a LSD trip or after smoking a joint of pot? No, you can't. Now if I were a glutton and drank alcohol like horse or drank 10-15 cups of coffee a day, then I would have a drug problem because I would be an addict and such amounts would impair my mental and bodily functions. And in case you are wondering I do occasionally drink wine with a meal in a fine restaurant and do cook with it. I don't drink coffee and rarely drink tea, and hate beer. If LSD was so great, why did you stop and why don't you encourage us to try it?
As for your article, you are living high on the hog only because you are making an American salary in a third world country. I would like to see how you would fare if you were making the salary of the average Korean living in a village. Now I wonder why so many of those dog-eaters want to emigrate here? As for the low taxes, it is good now, but the law could change and you may have to pay more in the future or face tax evasion charges or stay permanently in exile. Also, as I have stated I have no interest in living in Korea or in an Asian culture.
Sir, I am with Jay in saying that if you preach White Nationalism, then you are a hypocrite in planning to marry a Korean girl. Korean culture did not build our country but built the third world cesspool that is most of Korea today. I read alot of what you wrote on Etherzone and liked much of it but after learning these facts about you, I cannot take seriously anything you say anymore.
I am proud to be a puritan and have studied their lives and writings. The Puritans on the Mayflower may have been starving their first year here but they did have casks of ale to drink. They did not dress in black but in the colorful Elizabethan clothes of the day. They were pious but could be earthy when the time called for it The prayers of those devoted souls are the one of the reasons that God is having mercy on our country today.
2003-02-08 21:35 | User Profile
Anyone who does not follow Christ is blind.
To each her own. But you sound like a fanatic to me.
I can drink a glass of wine and drive a car. Can you drive a car safely on a LSD trip or after smoking a joint of pot? No, you can't.
Why not? How, and upon what basis, do you know that I can't, successfully? (e.g., Yes I Have)
Sir, I am with Jay in saying that if you preach White Nationalism, then you are a hypocrite in planning to marry a Korean girl.
I've never preached White Nationalism. I preach Jeffersonian (anti-Federalist), limited-government thought, but I've not been amongst the White Nationalists here at this forum. I don't really knock it, but it's not my hot-button.
Korean culture did not build our country but built the third world cesspool that is most of Korea today.
I'm still an American. I hold an American passport, I vote in American elections by absentee ballot, and am no different from an oil worker who goes to work for Exxon in Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. & have you ever been to South Korea? It ain't no "cesspool"--I've seen MUCH MUCH worse in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, baby.
I am proud to be a puritan and have studied their lives and writings.
Yup, just as I thought. :)
The prayers of those devoted souls are the one of the reasons that God is having mercy on our country today.
So you say. Based upon...what? Your "faith"? OK. I admire that. So be it. I believe in most of the tenets of Christian theology. Am not an evolutionist, nor am I an atheist. We are here by thought and design; there's too much order in things for there not to be a Supreme Being. I don't profess to have a handle on the nature of God, but I do believe. But I can't embrace your brand of evangelical Puritanism. Sorry. I've tried (truly--believe me).
As far as "why don't I continue to take LSD and why don't I push it on OD members," it's pretty simple: I ran out the road on what I could learn on the substance (my last 20 or 30 "trips" were repetitive and like reading a magazine article for the 20th or 30th time--I'd memorized it by then, and there was no point repeating the lesson); and I don't push it on anyone, 'cos I'm not you. I don't know how it will effect you, and I would never want to screw up someone's life. In relaying my experiences, I'm doing just that: Relaying my experiences.
Anyway, to many, you'll seem like as much of a whacko as I probably seem to you.
Have a good day!
2003-02-08 21:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 8 2003, 20:03 **You've digested the AMA (American Medical Association) doctrine hook/line/sinker. Congrats!
As for "flashbacks," I've written several times that I wish I had ever had one, as it'd save me a coupla bucks, ho ho...**
Well everybody's got his own thing. You've got LSD, I've got AMA reports. Maybe I'm having my own flashback. ;)
LSD is essentially a seretonin catalyst. Seretonin is the neurotransmitter which produces REM sleep (what makes you dream vividly). LSD, then, = your dreaming while you're awake. It's no mystery. & the stuff has a half-life in the brain/blood barrier of about 10 minutes. It's GONE after about 10 minutes in the blood-stream. The only thing LSD does is to open the seretonin floodgates in the brain.
Interesting. I don't know what the latest research on LSD is, my stuff is quite old. But there is research now that indicates Seretonin-enhancing drugs can be much more potent and not nearly as innocuous as originally claimed. The effects of Prozac for instance recently have received some critical review.
Bottom line: From all that you have read of my prose (despite your claim of my being "thin-skinned sometimes"), DOES IT SOUND LIKE I'M OUT OF MY MIND? Really? Ask yourself: "Would a man who has taken 500 hits of LSD be able to write articles for...fill-in-the-blank [do a Google search, I've written a ton]...publications if he were certifiable?"
No, on this board you sound like a voice of reason. But it is a board that especially when we get into religious/philosophical/ issues, does contain some interesting threads ;)
Tell me, if I took some of that stuff, do you think I could understood some of these threads any better?
2003-02-08 22:28 | User Profile
Tell me, if I took some of that stuff, do you think I could understood some of these threads any better?
Doubt it, Okie. :)
2003-02-08 23:28 | User Profile
**It's really not. These are the facts, as I see them, East Asian/ White mixes are the only multiracial pairings which result in persons well disposed towards Euro/Aryan art, politics, and spirituality. **
Yes, East Asian/White Mixings can result in persons well disposed towards Euro/Aryan art politic and spirituality but does it make them white? Keep mixing and the white race and culture will not exist no more.
2003-02-09 00:23 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 8 2003, 16:15 ** > That was a back-pedal that only a Trent Lott could respect.
It's really not. These are the facts, as I see them, East Asian/ White mixes are the only multiracial pairings which result in persons well disposed towards Euro/Aryan art, politics, and spirituality. **
WM:
You made the crack that I've "been up North too long" Maybe that's true. At least I'm not a threat to engage in race-mixing, living in Korea or flying on acid trips.
I'm holding you to your statement here on race-mixing. No future rebuttals from you on miscegenation, race tolerance or inter-racial dates at the prom. Furthremore, no questioning the move to abolish borders. You can't pull a Lott and then pull another Lott by going back.
-Jay
2003-02-09 00:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by skemper@Feb 8 2003, 17:28 ** Yes, East Asian/White Mixings can result in persons well disposed towards Euro/Aryan art politic and spirituality but does it make them white? **
But didn't you read WinterMute? Not only is race mixing ok and defensible, it's actually - get this - GOOD(!) for the gene pool! Wouldn't want to be pure white b/c that's awful for genetic adaptation. I think RBAN's incessant "Indians will save the white race" must have rubbed off on WM.
Imagine the howls from OD if Trent Lott or Jorge Bush said such a thing.
-Jay
2003-02-09 00:50 | User Profile
toddbrendanfahey,
I can't spell or type very well. :)
I never said I wanted to marry an LDS girl. Will also assume you don't drink coffee, tea, smoke, or drink any form of alcohol (ever)...elsewise, you have no idea what it's like to be married to a "serious Mormon." If you wanna test out this theory, please go cold turkey on the aforementioned, for about 4 years, and tell me how it goes (I did...couldn't hack it).
Type much?? :) One too many Budweisers? You tell me.
The problem is all the Churches are run by Marxist these days. One wants a girl that is not a heavy drinking pot-smoking whore, but one also does not want to marry a Marxo-Christian. I fear the Mormons like many other walking blindly into American-Soviet Gulag this nation is being turned into.
As for Asian women, I do not like them, most of the ones I meet are like Margret Cho.
I like the stuff you are doing. You are a heck of a lot better a getting things done than I am. Anyone who can hold down a full professorship in English at university (& I have, continuously, since 1992), pen a novel, a collection of short stories, maintain 5 Web sites and serve as 1/4 of the Board of Directors of EtherZone.com has to have maintained a goodly modicum of the grey matter.
2003-02-09 03:18 | User Profile
**Not only is race mixing ok and defensible, it's actually - get this - GOOD(!) for the gene pool! Wouldn't want to be pure white b/c that's awful for genetic adaptation. **
I think the source of this confusion is popular ignorance. Ask any breeder of animals, say a farmer or dog fancier, how one goes about breeding better stock. The answer is always the same - INBREEDING. Just what do you suppose the term purebred means? The canine equivalent of mixing Whites and Mongoloids? Hell no, Joe.
Now inbreeding does not necessarily mean breeding with ones siblings or even first or second cousins. It merely means limiting the breeding group to genetically proximate individuals. What inbreeding does is to concentrate characteristics, such as external appearance, behavior, cognitive ability, etc. It segregates undesirable traits and desirable traits into increasigly nonoverlapping groups of people. One then merely limits the procreation of the group possesing the higher concentration of undesirable characteristics and conversely one encourages the others to breed vigourously. Repeat indefinitely. It works a great deal like distillation of spirits.
If one insists on outbreeding, then BOTH desirable and undesirable traits will be diffused throughout the entire population, rendering any targetted (i.e., effective) eugenics program futile.
In short INBREEDING is necessary for eugenic hygiene. The fatuous notion of 'hybrid vigor' is the antiscientific stuff of which Lysenkoism is composed.
A metaphor might help. Would you rather have 10 one gallon containers of a of 90% water/10% excrement solution or 9 one gallon containers of water and 1 one gallon container of excrement?
2003-02-09 05:01 | User Profile
TBF, You are one incredibly self-centered individual.That of course is the basis for being a true libertarian.Your philosophy of life is as alien to Korea as you are.
2003-02-09 06:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by Mr.Wilson@Feb 9 2003, 05:01 TBF, You are one incredibly self-centered individual.That of course is the basis for being a true libertarian.Your philosophy of life is as alien to Korea as you are.
I do appreciate your critiques of Libertarianism, and I do see your broader point in the context that TBF has chosen to write about himself, but I see no need for the gratuitus ad hominem. There is an aspect of a columnist writing about himself which seems self-centered, but at the same time it is also requires a certain amount of idealism and self sacrifice to publically discuss your private foibles for the benefit of your readers. Korea certainly seems foreign to me also, but none of us can really deny we often feel a similar feeling of foreigness in our own.
Before we stone Todd for his self- centeredness, maybe we should consider that its proper that the one here without sin cast the first stone.
2003-02-09 07:13 | User Profile
For his own reasons, "weisbrot" felt compelled to do some online digging...
Thanks, but google does the heavy lifting. Maybe .003 seconds, outside.
It was a nice side-track, "weisbrot," and I'm more than happy to debate the "drugs question" with anyone here, but this thread is and should be about "wage slavery." Let's get it back on track. Thx.
Okay then, why not talk about...
Anyone who can hold down a full professorship in English at university (& I have, continuously, since 1992), pen a novel, a collection of short stories, maintain 5 Web sites and serve as 1/4 of the Board of Directors of EtherZone.com has to have maintained a goodly modicum of the grey matter. So, either I'm extra gifted by God in the cranium, and lost more than you've ever been blessed with, or LSD doesn't impair brain function.
Sure thing, Todd, but about wages...
Kesey, whom I knew and interviewed several times, also chortled heartily.
Chortled, did he? OK, about wages, then...
Leary told me (personally--I interviewed him several times, got pretty close to him)
Close friends are good, sure; and about wages...
LSD hasn't impaired my functions in the slightest. It did perforce the breakup of my marriage, back in '96, and I can't say that I've never had a bad trip...
Glad to hear all is well, but concerning wages then...
(I forgot about the time in Amsterdam in '96, sorry for the earlier '94 reference)...
Oh...okay...
Maybe we can talk about this for awhile, and we can shift the debate about race-mixing and drugs to their own respective threads, of which this one ain't.
Great. About that wage thing...
There are only a few things in the word that I can claim to be an expert on, and LSD is one of them. Believe it or not, I could give a durned.
And well you shouldn't. Now, getting back to wages...
I've taken the stuff. I've studied it on a molecular/chemical, psychological and philosophical level (locked myself in the reserve book room at UC Santa Barbara at age 18 for 6 months before I ever took the stuff; I'd taken mushrooms before, in high school, loved 'em, and wanted to know more about LSD...got my hands on the full series of The Journal of Psychedelics, a series published by the AMA a long time ago). I determined that the effect would be more long-lasting but essentially the same as mushrooms, and guess what? I was right.
Sure you are. Cause you're "the Toddmonster".
2003-02-09 09:07 | User Profile
It's threads like these that most vividly remind me why white people are an endangered species. Not because of small-scale miscegenation with East Asians (IMHO the least offensive type of mongrel-breeding), but because we tend to let small, tactically-insignificant disagreements balloon into major fissures. It's as lethal to white cohesion as a guillotine to a French noble.
2003-02-09 09:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 7 2003, 23:34 > Wonder what Wintermute, Il Ragno and Franco feel about TBF's race mixing comments?**
I'd best come clean about this: Assuming that you're talking about East Asians, and not Muslims or Mestizos, I'm utterly conflicted......
Marrying Korean isn't one ten/thousandth as bad as defending Jewish corporate interests. Hence, I dislike these 'race mixers' less than Christian Zionists. I am not solely concerned with the preservation of 'pure' race - I want enough of it to perpetuate the health of the race/culture over time. In fact, and this will probably be the oddest sounding thing I could possibly say, if you're going to marry out (again, w/ an East Asian), could it please be with a Japanese? They seem the most inclined to us, culturally and racially, of all the non-Aryans.
(note to rban - except for Indians, of course! high caste Dotties are A-OK!)
Also, the children of such mixes are often very beautiful, very intelligent, and, curiously enough, quite partial to European political and spiritual forms. It's the exact opposite of white-black, or white-mestizo pairings. If whites and East Asians wanted to form their own new race, we should set aside some land, and see what results. Imagine - a whole nation of people who looked just like Anime characters! Clearly the Japanese, and some Americans, are already dreaming of this. If we had but world enough and time . . .
Wintermute**
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=2789&hl=the+mongrel]Mighty Is The Mongrel[/url]
Aha! We have discovered you Wintermute/Rban! Note the similarities ;)
**Mixing is the new norm. The hybrid is hip. Mighty is the mongrel. This is no passing fashion. Rather, it is a deep change. Say good-bye to the pure, the straight, the smooth. Forget the original, the primordial, the one. Mixing trumps isolation. It spawns creativity, nourishes the human spirit, spurs economic growth, empowers nations. Racial, ethnic, and national categories no longer impose fixed barriers or unbending traditions. These categories do not vanish. Instead, they join the many pieces inside a kaleidoscope, presenting a different image from one instant to the next.
Nothing can stop the rise of mongrels -- of people who mock the very idea that union requires homogeneity or that victory depends on smothering dissent in a blanket of uniformity. Rich nations will go mongrel because it is right and good. They will go mongrel because it is the only antidote to stagnation, the only durable source of innovation, the only viable way to preserve their traditions while embracing change.**
2003-02-09 09:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Feb 9 2003, 09:07 ** we tend to let small, tactically-insignificant disagreements balloon into major fissures... **
Naw, it's hilarious.
There are no "fissures" where there was no cohesion to begin with.
History will say we squabbled to death with lotsa wit but not much style. :D
2003-02-09 09:24 | User Profile
WM
Exodus 23:27 seems to concern itself with driving out the native inhabitants from palestine and not about striking down any people the jews may come across so I don't think we are in any danger.
From the 23rd chapter of Exodus I get the impression that the God of the Bible didn't want the Hebrews to mongrelize themselves with the native Caananites. This is an attitude that seems to go against your desire to mogrelize the white race with Indians and Orientals. We seems to have found the core of your dislike of the Bible it seems it's too much in favor of racial purity for your tastes.
Martel
2003-02-09 09:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 9 2003, 03:15 ** YOU ARE HEREBY EXCOMMUNICATED!!!!!! **
SIR, WE SHALL DUEL AT DAWN.
2003-02-09 10:30 | User Profile
To take one verse of scripture and stretch it's meaning to make your own point has been done before what's the next verse?
Exodus 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hi-vite ,the Canaanite and the Hittite before thee
Exodus 23:29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year,lest the land become desolate and the beast of the field multiply against thee .
Exodus 23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee until thou be increased and inherit the land.
Exodus 23:31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines and from the desert unto the river for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land unto your hand and thou shalt drive them out before thee.
As I was saying seems pretty much related to the land of Palestine and has nothing do to with non Jews in total. Really when you condemn the Bible you should do so in a less flimsy way . It is the world's best selling book you know anybody, like me f'r instance can look this up and refute it
My experience tells me 90% of Bible criticism can be answered with just moderate Biblical knowledge and some moderate common sense thrown in. About 5% of the time you need to call in some Bible expert to answer the question and the remaining 5% are real toughies that won't be answered 'til we reach the other side.
2003-02-09 10:53 | User Profile
"weisbrot":
Not much left to say about "wages." I've already told you I pay a TOTAL of 4% tax on my earnings (Korean rate for foreigners). No hidden taxes, just 4%. & NO U.S. TAXES, as, by U.S. law, I don't have to, as I am employed by a non-American corporation, abroad, and earn less than $75,000/annum.
My salary is not stellar, but I clear $12,000/annum. After eating, living, etc. How does that match up with your net take-home pay at the end of the year?
OK, I've answered your question about "wages." I've escaped the U.S. wage-slave/extortion trap. Have you? & why not?
2003-02-09 12:21 | User Profile
Wonder what Wintermute, Il Ragno and Franco feel about TBF's race mixing comments?
Well I guess I deserve that after 27, 000 frothing-at-mouth posts to this site....let's just say I can't blame anyone for retaining the more incendiary soundbites out of my posts, and skimming past any quieter passages. But my problem re nonwhites has been their mass immigration HERE by deliberate design. In defense of Asians I've said numerous times I have no inherent problem with them - indeed, there is much to admire and emulate from the East - but the White Man is presently mired in such a suicidal identity crisis that we need to put out the raging fire consuming our own homelands before admiring what the Yamamotos down the block have done with their coy pond. (I even take time out from bashing rban to note positive aspects of India and her Hindu population. Well, periodically anyway...) People of all stripes have an *unquestionable * right to live...it's when they extend that to "a right to live next to YOU , on YOUR dime" that my back goes up. That said, few whites bother to differentiate between Asian groups and will lump them all into the same slant-eyed stewpot, which is kinda like making fun of a German by talking in an exaggerated Chico Marx or Barry Fitzgerald voice when he's around. You're the only one laughing, until you leave the room.
Re TBF's orig post & comments, Lord knows it's a hard world for white men of perception/feeling/awareness these days, and I doff my cap to any of us who have found alternatives that work for them. More power to you, Todd.
However.....(ahh, don't look so crestfallen - you knew it was coming)....
There are two kinds of anecdotes that have been so flogged into the ground by now, there is no further need for anyone to favor mankind with them : personal stories of sexual conquest, and personal stories of getting high. (In fairness, the drug stuff was exhumed w/o your participation on this thread, which you'd begun to discuss a wholly separate matter.) But if acid (or any drug) flung open previously-shuttered doors of perception while traumatizing the user with a terrifying near-death experience, nobody'd do it twice! And mind you, I'm pro-drug....hands-on pro-drug, even!....but I have no patience with people who fix upon exculpatory [I get high to escape my terrible problems] or pseudoscientific [scientists have isolated an enzyme in crack cocaine that improves blood circulation!] rationales while sidestepping altogether less glamorous sentiments like, "WOW do I feel great when I'm blitzed!" (always & forever the only REAL reason and why mince words about it?) The fact is that LSD is a dangerous toy to play with as it will affect different people in vastly different ways, and much of this danger derives from its illegality (ie, if you ain't overseeing its manufacture yourself - or can't vouch for the guy who does - you have no idea WHAT you're putting in your body. Many a would-be 'astral traveller' THINKS he or she has just dropped a tab of acid, when they've really ingested PCP, to cite one commonly-occuring example.)
My other beef is you absolutely scorched Jay way out of proportion to his comments. Go back to page 1 of this thread and you'll see his original remarks to you were entirely warranted in that he carefully added "sorry, but that's my take on this, no offense." You may not like that take, Todd, but so what? I wake up every morning wanting to kill everyone I see - but I manage to relent somewhere after my 2nd cupof coffee! It was an honest opinion uttered without malice or contempt (this was borne out by his followup remarks, which I thought showed great strength of character on his part; he didn't return fire, but reiterated his disagreements with you while maintaining no disrespect was intended. That's not"dickhole" behavior, it's honorable behavior.)
On the other hand, Jay's "it's not stealing if we agree to it" boggles the mind. But he's a young guy yet; he'll learn.
To close this on an up note: I applaud your improvised end-run around tax-slave futility and wish you well. Any writer who can earn even as much as $12,000 in after-tax income wholly free of Hymie's blue-pencil or "editorial guidance" merits our respect and support. Make the most of it, brother.
2003-02-09 12:52 | User Profile
Thanks, il ragno, for the balanced and very sane post.
I take issue only w/ yr take on "Jay"'s original comments, which seemed to me (still do, & I've reread the first responses) to be very pointed, personal and cheap. Here I'm writing about ways to escape wage-slavery and he seizes upon a third of a sentence wherein I confess a love of Asian ladies, and he goes off on how I'm symptomatic of the "white man's problem" for being divorced and not having offspring.
& I still say, "F*ck him" for that. But his subsequent posts didn't gild the lily, so no real offense taken.
"weisbrot"'s online digging and red-herring introduction of that Spike magazine interview was kind of weird. But I've said my peace on Puritanism v. libertarianism and am mostly content in my choices.
So, it's be a fun tussle. Many things were said, many things aired, some good-fuzzies generated at the end. :)
I just didn't expect this kind of reaction to what I thought was a helpful essay on how to escape the clutches of The Man. That's all.
2003-02-09 15:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 9 2003, 06:52 ** Here I'm writing about ways to escape wage-slavery and he seizes upon a third of a sentence wherein I confess a love of Asian ladies, and he goes off on how I'm symptomatic of the "white man's problem" for being divorced and not having offspring.
& I still say, "F*ck him" for that. **
It's entirely fair for a reader of an op-ed piece or forum post to pick apart one piece he sees.
How many people know what Trent Lott has said in his career? Nobody - they remember 1 soundbite. How many plays from the Super Bowl do you remember? Or in your own life....how many things do we retain?
You wanted comments on your piece. And I gave them. Since I can't relate to living in Korea or loading up on Acid, I gleaned a piece that I COULD RELATE TO. Get it? Ok, good.
You implied that "high taxes" were the problem in the USA and why you left. I think that's a cop-out and hence, I called you on it.
-Jay
2003-02-09 15:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 9 2003, 06:21 ** On the other hand, Jay's "it's not stealing if we agree to it" boggles the mind. But he's a young guy yet; he'll learn. **
Il: If I had any love for D.C., I'd be running Hillary's presidential campaign - not on OD. Taxes are too high. Thieves abound in our capital. Whites are forced to subsidize the living (and reproducing) of our enemies.
However, I believe that our country is being destroyed far more culturally than economically. That's just how I see things. I'm from a middle-class Midwest family and we never went without. The "we vote for it" comment is fact. We (not you or I, but our countrymen) DO VOTE for it. The extension of the vote allowed for this, good or bad. I didn't say I VOTE FOR IT.
What TBF doesn't mention is what exactly his 12,000 tax-free gets him in Korea. I bet he can't waltz down to McDonald's and grab a huge meal for $4. Fact is, Americans have the highest Per-Capita GDP in the world and looking around you, it's plain to see. I was in Europe and they live well - but not extravagantly.
When I was in Italy in 2000, I went into a jewelry store. Right away, they knew I was American, and served me like a king. Bought a $200 gold chain that would retail for 3 times that in the States. We have to be balanced in our economic critiques.
-Jay
2003-02-09 15:24 | User Profile
**I would tweak you, Jay, on your obvious discomfort with these facts, but you are a Paleoconservative and not a White Nationalist. Unlike you, I understand what our political labels do and don't say. You assume that my label tells you more than it does, probably because you didn't like VNN. We'll they're not the only game in town. **
I make no assumption of the totality of your beliefs. My point on OD is that people like Peter Brimelow are probably going to do far more good than people like Alex Linder. That's not groundbreaking analysis, but I took that 1 step further: that this Linder character needs to be cognizant of the fact that people like us do not "refuse to name the Jew" out of fear. We do so b/c we don't entirely believe it.
Otherwise, as I said then, you are still worshipping the instrument of your own destruction. Jews are so clever, how they can get people to do things like that.
I hold them as Brimelow probably does: disproportinately influential in opposing us. No doubt. However as I point out so often, most whites STILL don't like them/follow them/listen to them. Look at the suburbs everywhere. I have to then ascertain that the foolish whites that follow them really do believe this gibberish in their heart-of-hearts. Perhaps I'm wrong.
-Jay
2003-02-09 18:50 | User Profile
What TBF doesn't mention is what exactly his 12,000 tax-free gets him in Korea. I bet he can't waltz down to McDonald's and grab a huge meal for $4.
Still clueless after all these (days)...
Jay: I don't eat at McDonalds. Haven't since probably my sophomore year in college (1989). Why that analogy wd pop into yr skull is beyond me. But it does demonstrate your Amerikan cultural fixation.
I CAN, however, instruct the restauranteur to pluck a very lively 1.5kg flounder from out of a tank of swimming fishes and lop its head off and serve it to me, filleted and sliced, along w/ side dishes, for about U.S. $10--which beats the hell out of any sushi restaurant anywhere in the U.S. (or Japan, for that matter). Taxi fare--10km or more all the way across town (nice taxis; competent drivers; not smelly yellow wrecks w/ felons driving, such as I experienced in Lousiana) run about U.S. $4. Can't come close to that in the States.
South Korea's not super-cheap (that'd be Thailand--where an end-to-end Bangkok taxi ride, in rush-hour traffic [hour-long ride], costs about US$3; a very decent hotel is about US$8/nightly, and your average day's food bill in restaurants will run you about US$7)... But I'm happy enough. :)
I don't seem to get your point, I guess. You're defending a super-expensive-to-live nation (the U.S.), w/ super-high taxes (combine local, state, Federal, FICA and sales tax, and most of y'all are paying 40%, minimum, of your wages to serve Uncle Sam). But because there's (mostly) white people in (most of) the U.S. states, you're content there (in the U.S.). OK, I guess.
I've opted for another route. I've made a pretty cogent argument (I think--if not, tell me where I'm wrong) toward defunding the Beast, keeping 96% of my proceeds in the process, and living very decently in a 2nd-world-approaching-1st world luxury (I also have DSL 'net service at lightning-fast speed, in my own apartment, whereas most of the U.S. is still laboring at 56kbs slothful dialup...which boggles my mind, as America is supposed to be the technological superpower).
Just giving you some comparisons to chew on. Refute me if you can, on substance. But if "white might" is all you care about, then my best wishes to you in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, or some such (again, NOT KNOCKING IT: If I could reap 96% of my salary and live at my present scale in Coeur d'Alene, I'd be there in a heartbeat...but it ain't so).
TBF
2003-02-09 20:03 | User Profile
WINTERMUTE
For someone who harps on a single chapter of Scripture over and over and over again to prove his worldview to then accuse someone else of not putting things in context takes alot of I dont know ....chutzpah. You have mentioned passages in Isaiah etc but the Exodus chapter has been your favorite as of late and thats why I refuted it. Simply by quoting the following verses of the chapter and not by giving anyone a "Sunday School lesson " I showed that you misrepresented Exodus 23:27.
Doesn't anybody else on the board think it strange that someone who feels Christianity has been a poison to the white race a turning away from our true Nordic/Roman pagan selves. This same super White Nationalist wants us to mongrelize ourselves with Indians and East Asians
Having a rift between Christian and non-Christian white nationalists and promoting race-mixing agenda seems to be something a Zionist would want not a true white nationalist.
Seeing that I upset Wintermute with my previous post and that he doesn't want to debate me on the issue I will drop the subject and just mark this round won for the Bible-thumpers ;)
Martel
2003-02-09 20:20 | User Profile
Not much left to say about "wages."
It was a nice side-track, "weisbrot," and I'm more than happy to debate the "drugs question" with anyone here, but this thread is and should be about "wage slavery." Let's get it back on track. Thx.
There seems to be some indecision about what may or should be discussed. The "side-track" was introduced through the posting of the Spike interview; this was done only to point up some inconsistencies in your response to Jay-a response that was entirely out of line. An individual with pretensions as a professional writer is displaying unprofessional behavior when lashing back personally at criticism- especially when the criticism of the work was implicitly invited by the act of publication.
**I've already told you I pay a TOTAL of 4% tax on my earnings (Korean rate for foreigners). No hidden taxes, just 4%. & NO U.S. TAXES, as, by U.S. law, I don't have to, as I am employed by a non-American corporation, abroad, and earn less than $75,000/annum.
My salary is not stellar, but I clear $12,000/annum. After eating, living, etc. How does that match up with your net take-home pay at the end of the year?**
If $12k is our financial benchmark, we're both doing great. And as Il Ragno stated, more power to you for making your way as a writer/educator. It's not the lifestyle I would choose; the one I have chosen allows me to also gather wealth in ways that aren't measureable in material terms. Judging from your comments here, the main benefit you seek in leaving the U.S. to work is to achieve financial independence and material wealth. This is fine, but for me this would be an entirely hollow quest. It reminds somewhat of the atomization that has been discussed at lengh on these boards, for one thing; for another, leaving friends, family and land would be in my opinion not a victory but a total and absolutely demoralizing defeat regardless of the financial reward. But-to each his own.
OK, I've answered your question about "wages." I've escaped the U.S. wage-slave/extortion trap. Have you? & why not?
See above. However, I'll echo the contention that the worsening conditions here could be more readily improved from within, rather than by leaving our land and teaching foreigners our language and culture. In my opinion, leaving the U.S. in order to avoid taxes would be akin to a jump from the pan to the fire. It's my own choice to be here, raise a family, avoid McDonalds, live frugally, pay exorbitant and unfair tax rates. No one points a gun at me to insist that I cannot be a subsistence farmer existing off the tax rolls. Then again, my children will learn about the culture of my choosing, by example and by daily living, and in spite of the prevailing multiculturalism/cultural marxism of today. To assume otherwise is to expect failure, and there's no way to put a price on the opportunity at hand. I've found all of this to be a balancing act, one that can't be escaped by mind expansion or whatever else chemical dependency might provide, or by fleeing into a totally foreign culture that may eventually threaten my own.
"weisbrot"'s online digging and red-herring introduction of that Spike magazine interview was kind of weird. But I've said my peace on Puritanism v. libertarianism and am mostly content in my choices.
I think the implied reason for a lack of family life - infertility- in your response to Jay was weird, given your published reasoning in the Spike article. The entire article was quoted as a courtesy to provide context; your response to Jay was neither courteous or contextual. If you don't want details of your life examined, don't throw them out on the internet. If you can't handle the response to your "advice", don't give it out unasked. A quick google on any of your statements about your accomplishments/qualifications/public life is just a few keystrokes away. Deal with it or stop going public with your opinions and advice.
2003-02-09 21:07 | User Profile
"weisbrot":
We're spinning in circles, methinks.
I never said I was infertile--I have no idea (never had my sperm tested). What I said, in response to Jay's off-the-wall tangent, in re: my advice to others who wish to escape the U.S. tax trap legally--was that my having or not having kids is really none of his business. & I wondered what he would say were I to have told him that I was sterile or that my ex- were barren. ? Jay's comments came even before you posted the Spike interview, so Jay was speaking from out of his a$$, in a way that (I felt and still feel) was out of the context of my "self-help" (to American's under the thumb of the tax-man) piece.
That's all.
Your posting the Spike interview doesn't bother me at all. I've lived an open-book life for a lotta years, and obviously wouldn't give interviews or write for public consumption if I had anything to hide or wanted total privacy.
I am saying that a discussion of whether or not one wants children, or whether or not one wants to marry or become involved w/ a Korean gal, or of the question of "drugs" should be moved to their own respective threads, whilst we discuss taxes and options to avoid them on this particular thread, as was the crux of the "wage-slavery" article.
Can you grasp this? If so, please start a thread (or point the way to existing threads) on the"drugs question," child-rearing and miscegenation, and I'll be happy to jawbone with you there.
I think this is a reasonable request. If you don't lemme know why not.
2003-02-09 21:52 | User Profile
Man, who would have thought that OD posters would care so little about race-mixing? Honestly I scratch my head at this. If this board doesn't even care about miscegenation, what hope is there that the rest of America would see it our way?
Sigh. There's a difference between not caring about a subject and recognizing the inability to effectively do anything about it at the moment.
I find people who consume excrement revolting, but I don't spend a whole lot of time fretting about who they are and what I can do to stop them. As I said previously, such lifestyles, whether poop-noshing or monkey-diggling, tend to be their own punishments. You could declare either activity to be illegal tomorrow (as miscegenation once was) and folks would still be doing both, maybe at the same time. The most we can hope to do is make such behaviors as socially unfashionable as they used. The problem is that White society and culture has been twisted around 180 degrees into not only accepting, but celebrating self-destructive behaviors, of which race-mixing is but one example. I fully expect, that if MTV were to embark upon a quest to promote the nutritional value and fashionability of eating crap, you'd have no small amount of wiggers lining up to do it, provided Christina Aguilera and P. Diddy provided the soundtrack and T&A to go with it. Against this, we can educate folks to the negative consequences, but that's unfortunately on the way to being criminalized as "hate."
People of all stripes have an unquestionable right to live...it's when they extend that to "a right to live next to YOU , on YOUR dime" that my back goes up.
Thwock! Dead center. This is where I draw the line as well. It used to be that earlier generations had an idea about how to discourage certain behaviors: social stigma combined with letting people suffer the consequences of their own stupidity. Heroin wasn't always illegal here, but there certainly wasn't free medical care or food stamps to take care of those who ruined their lives because of it. Junkies? Hell, the sooner they died off the better back in those barbaric times. Those who did drugs (and alcohol) responsibly enough to function in society didn't have a big problem. However, in these enlightened times, when Tyrone the crackhead runs off and leaves Sandy the Wigger with two mulatto brats, George "Compassionate" Bush and his ilk are there to steal from you and me to make sure that the three of them are fed, clothed and sheltered, not only from the elements, but from hearing negative comments, 'cause it might damage their self esteem on the journey to repeat the whole frigging cycle (or on the journey to become a rocket scientist, to hear the propaganda).
P.S. I must respectfully disagree with Wintermute's comments regarding a little genetic mixing. After all, most white traits are recessive. You lose a lot more than you gain, IMO. Inbreeding is bad, of course, but outbreeding within a closed gentic population (whites) allows for genetic diversity and improvement of the genes contained therein through mutation/natural selection without being submerged in a tide of dominant (in the hereditary sense, mind you) genetic slop.
2003-02-09 23:24 | User Profile
**Inbreeding is bad, of course, but outbreeding within a closed gentic population (whites) allows for genetic diversity and improvement of the genes contained therein through mutation/natural selection without being submerged in a tide of dominant (in the hereditary sense, mind you) genetic slop. **
I really must protest. "xxxbreeding within a closed genetic population (whites)" is precisely INBREEDING. Inbreeding is not inherently good or bad - it merely concentrates and separates hereditary characteristics. Before you can eliminate undesirable traits YOU MUST FIRST SEPARATE THEM FROM THE DESIRABLE ONES. It's essentially like distillation. However, what you choose to distill is all important. The Jews chose to distill slyness, deceit, arrogance, physical cowardice, aversion to hard labor, etc., while traditional Aryan cultures distilled honor, forthrightness, physical courage, readiness to labor, etc. Yet both eugenics programs were based on the same mechanism - inbreeding. One must never confuse the tool with the craftsman.
Outbreeding, on the other hand, inextricably entwines desirable and undesirable traits making eugenic hygiene impossible.
The problem here is that many of you are allowing the eternal enemies of truth to define your terms for you. The association of the term inbreeding with boning one's sister or molesting one's daughter has the intended consequence of making outbreeding (miscegenation) appear not only 'moral' but eugenic to boot! What a master stroke of Chutzpah.
2003-02-10 01:08 | User Profile
I find people who consume excrement revolting, but I don't spend a whole lot of time fretting about who they are and what I can do to stop them. As I said previously, such lifestyles, whether poop-noshing or monkey-diggling, tend to be their own punishments.
Man, I couldn't disagree any more. Eating fesces is a punishment to yourself, yes. Making multi-racial children is creating LIFE and creating CULTURES. These people are creating future voters, future neighbors and in most cases, future sociopaths. How you can compare these situations is incomprehensible to me.
**You could declare either activity to be illegal tomorrow (as miscegenation once was) and folks would still be doing both, maybe at the same time. **
Again, I completely disagree. Sure, a minute proportion will do whatever they want. However, laws do have effects in reducing deviant behavior. A law is only a law if the people will it. In 1900, people willed anti-mixing laws. This attitude filtered down to their children who were expressly forbidden from doing so. And for 99% of them, they listend.
The most we can hope to do is make such behaviors as socially unfashionable as they used. The problem is that White society and culture has been twisted around 180 degrees into not only accepting, but celebrating self-destructive behaviors, of which race-mixing is but one example.
If you noticed, I am really going after miscegenation - not so much the drugs or his move to Asia. Those indeed are decisions that are personal and will not affect me. That was my point: something in the States turned TBF into a race-mixer. I suspect that our popular culture did so. I would bet his chances of procreating with an Asian in 1950 were about 10% of the chances today.
**I fully expect, that if MTV were to embark upon a quest to promote the nutritional value and fashionability of eating crap, you'd have no small amount of wiggers lining up to do it, provided Christina Aguilera and P. Diddy provided the soundtrack and T&A to go with it. **
As you stated so eloquently: "Sigh."
-Jay
2003-02-10 01:59 | User Profile
still clueless after all these (days)...
Todd, if you disagree with me that's your prerogative. But spare the "clueless" innuendo. If you can't handle any critique of your writing or your opinions, why do you even write columns?
Jay: I don't eat at McDonalds. Haven't since probably my sophomore year in college (1989). Why that analogy wd pop into yr skull is beyond me. But it does demonstrate your Amerikan cultural fixation.
Actually, I don't eat at McDonald's either. My point is that you can get a large meal here for $4. Why is obesity such a problem in America? Will you answer this question or not?
**I don't seem to get your point, I guess. You're defending a super-expensive-to-live nation (the U.S.), w/ super-high taxes (combine local, state, Federal, FICA and sales tax, and most of y'all are paying 40%, minimum, of your wages to serve Uncle Sam). **
Serving other countries, too - like South Korea. Billions in foreign aid to that country (so you can live better, I guess) US Troops at the demarcation line protecting them. Sure, they whine about them but if we left they'd be scared shitless. At worst, less $$$ for them to spend on THEIR protection. [url=http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study/south-korea/south-korea123.html]http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study...h-korea123.html[/url]
**I've opted for another route. I've made a pretty cogent argument (I think--if not, tell me where I'm wrong) toward defunding the Beast, keeping 96% of my proceeds in the process, and living very decently in a 2nd-world-approaching-1st world luxury **
I doubt very highly that many readers here at OD or in the USA for that matter would classify South Korea as "approaching the 1st world" As for the "Beast" - what about home equity (70% of Americans own one) Personal savings? Stock holdings (52% of Americans own stock) How many pension plans are in effect in South Korea? Are you just ignoring all facets of Americans wealth so you can zero in on taxation? Don't be so simplistic in your assessments.
**Just giving you some comparisons to chew on. Refute me if you can, on substance. **
The US per-capita GDP is $36,000. Twice what South Korea's is. When you factor in 12M blacks and 12M more Mexicans, the per-capita white rate is probably approaching 50K. Chew on that.
If you like South Korea better, great. To each his own. 48M people in a nation the size of Indiana does not sound appealing to me. However, I am going to continue to press your "thesis" on USA wage-slavery or whatever that is. South Koreans are not living better than Americans.
-Jay
2003-02-10 02:04 | User Profile
so Jay was speaking from out of his a$$, in a way that (I felt and still feel) was out of the context of my "self-help" (to American's under the thumb of the tax-man) piece.
I don't think Jay was speaking out of turn; he was giving a reaction to a piece of "advice" that he hadn't requested. Your responses to Jay, and to others- including your critique of their spelling and grammar- was uncalled for.
I am saying that a discussion of whether or not one wants children, or whether or not one wants to marry or become involved w/ a Korean gal, or of the question of "drugs" should be moved to their own respective threads, whilst we discuss taxes and options to avoid them on this particular thread, as was the crux of the "wage-slavery" article.
I understand that you have some desire to control. It is also apparent that if you had any inclination to limit discussion to tax avoidance alone, then you would not have indulged in lengthy explanations of how introducing home-cooked lysergic acid into your system was beneficial, and had been a positive aspect of all your successes. Additionally, your responses to Jay and others are somewhat dubious in light of your published comments elsewhere. To wit, this claim...
Anyone who can hold down a full professorship in English at university (& I have, continuously, since 1992)... So, either I'm extra gifted by God in the cranium, and lost more than you've ever been blessed with, or LSD doesn't impair brain function.
...simply doesn't wash with these comments:
Banished from the university classroom, reduced to low-level editing work for a group of attorneys in Laughayette, destitute and nearly homeless, I hopped on the public library's Internet bay one afternoon, typed in "Teaching English as a Foreign Language," and saw my life changed within 24 hours. Besides, I'd never made more than $24,000/annum in America, and, coupled with extortionate local, state, federal and FICA taxes, and after rent, car payments, car insurance, like most Americans, I was never more than 2 paychecks away from poverty anyway.
I don't have much going for me these days - I'm probably unemployable in terms of a tenure-track teaching job, even though I will have my Ph.D. by May '97. God bless the school that gives me a gig. A "charitable institution," indeed.
Your life is indeed your business. However, it isn't quite fair play for you to profanely disparage an individual for his honest reaction to unsolicited "advice", while the basis for your giving said advice is far from established. Additionally, your refusal to gracefully accept his reaction marks you as an arrogant bully with a desire to regain some sort of lost control. At this point, the remarks previously made concerning your lifelong out-of-control addictions add quite a bit of relevant context.
Can you grasp this?ÃÂ If so, please start a thread (or point the way to existing threads) on the"drugs question," child-rearing and miscegenation, and I'll be happy to jawbone with you there.
Actually, child rearing, miscegenation, and the irresponsible personal nature of those addicted to substances are all relevant to the original posting, as I've noted before. The avoidance of taxes by abdication of community, family and culture is a central, if hidden, theme of the "self-help" piece; it seems obvious that one who has valued intoxicating substances over intimate relationships has little of use to offer in the way of "self-help" instructions. I grasp that your actions in life have put you in a position that many would find untenable; your refusal to peacefully allow Jay and others their honest reactions to your "advice" is a glaring indication of deep dissatisfaction with the road you've taken.
Good luck.
2003-02-10 08:51 | User Profile
Jay wrote:
Why is obesity such a problem in America? Will you answer this question or not?
I can't answer the question, as I'm not a fattie. I eat a balanced diet. I assume that most "on-the-go"/"keeping up with the Joneses"-Americans can't be bothered to shop for fresh vegetables. They prefer the "comfort" food that is making them obese, as you say.
South Koreans are not living better than Americans.
Never said they were. I said that I, an American, am living far better than I did in the U.S., and better (in terms of net-yearly take-home pay) than many Americans and nearly all of my writer/activist friends. I'm beginning to doubt your reading comprehension.
Weisbrot... Your hydra-headed approach to critiquing this particular essay demands way too much time on my part to answer fully. Hence, I've proposed we take the tangents to their own respective threads. You're averse to doing that, so I'll leave you to talk to yourself here. Wd gladly meet you on other threads to discuss drugs, miscegenation, etc. But this ain't the thread for it.
So, point the way to relevant threads, would'ja? This thread has run out its road, especially as you and Jay have copped out by saying that my focus on taxes is too narrow. But taxes (Government extortion) & take-home pay was the bulk of my article. You want to look past the central premise and focus on the thin margins (one of which you brought up, irrelevantly to this thread, by posting a long-ago interview of me discussing LSD--which I've not used in any real proportion since 1994; and I was happy to wax on at length about LSD, its neurochemical effects, etc.).
Ain't nothing more I can say on this thread that hasn't been said already.
bu-bye. See you in other OD discussions.
2003-02-10 16:15 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 10 2003, 03:51 **
This thread has run out its road, especially as you and Jay have copped out by saying that my focus on taxes is too narrow. But taxes (Government extortion) & take-home pay was the bulk of my article. **
Bull.
From your "self-help" article:
**And so to the moral of the story.
We've all read about the Asian and Indian and Middle Eastern "brain-drain," where underpaid, undervalued, and/or persecuted folk from various nations escape their strictures to find a better life in America. And you can, too.
If the tumor that is the U.S. Federal Government has gotten you down; if you've been laid off; whatever your circumstance...hop on the 'net right now and type in "Teaching English as a Foreign Language" and reverse polarity on the equation that has hundreds of thousands of "foreigners" flowing into our once great nation. Cross-pollinate in the obverse. Make some money (nearly tax-free). Enjoy interesting food and culture.
Do it before the jack-boot really starts stamping upon your face.**
"Cross-pollinate", whatever that might be taken to mean. Escape "persecution". Consume "interesting food and culture." Oh, and make some nearly tax-free money.
Basically, you hold yourself up as the equivalent to Hemingway, Miller and other former ex-pats, as if your flight to South Korea is just as pseudo- romantic as were their own self-exiles. Why you choose to identify with the horrid and thoroughly fraudulent Kosinsky is, as you might say, something to be examined on another thread. In any event, the bulk of your article was not focused on taxes but rather on the appealing lifestyle you have been afforded by teaching English for 18-30 hours weekly to eager South Koreans. Unfortunately, you fail to note that these South Koreans, like the Asian-Indian-Middle Eastern"brain-drain" mentioned in your article, will very likely be seeking a better life in- surprise!- the U.S., displacing American workers and more importantly importing their own non-assimilable cultures to these shores.
The impression given by your initial article is, to me, one of a person whose life choices have led to an ultimate "cop out". This impression is more than confirmed by adding the context of your earlier interviews and commentary on your life. Taxes and take-home pay were not the focus of the article; rather, the spotlight was trained on an intensely narcissistic individual who is trying to convince others that his flight from community is a lofty quest rather than a self-induced prison.
It's not a "self-help" guide. It's an apologia.
2003-02-10 17:48 | User Profile
I agree with Christians on this point, that the Bible is not some musty old history book. It will remain vitally relevant for centuries to come. It's account of the infiltration of Egypt and Persia, and the destruction of those societies, is critical reading for White Nationalists.
Isaiah 60, of course, speaks of parasitism literally, as in sucking the breast of kings.
It's not for those who are afraid of the theological implications of an evolutionary understanding of Judaism, but Hartung's "Love Thy Neighbor" is a brilliant essay:
[url=http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/ltn01.html]http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/ltn01.html[/url]
2003-02-10 17:58 | User Profile
In reference to self-punishment, I'm not trying to be sensational. You state that by race-mixing, one is creating life, culture, etc. My point is that when you're trying to maintain a white culture, that such mixing is akin to the fecal matter in the water supply, the example stated earlier in the thread. Other cultures are fine and dandy, but they need to remain separate, so they can evolve in their own way. Race-mixing is self-punishment in the sense that you're relieving yourself in your own (and everyone else's) water supply (culture). Not to mention that a culture clash within your family group probably isn't a whole lot of fun either. As an aside, colonialism/imperialism was, I think, one of the more profund mistakes of white culture in its history.
I really don't think laws have any force without a moral consensus to back them. The drug laws are a perfect example. Can we empirically say that they've reduced drug use significantly? We could argue either way, but we really don't have a "control" on which to base either argument.
I think we're on the same page overall, Jay.
Marcus Porcius Cato,
As far as outbreeding/inbreeding goes, I guess we need to deifine terms before we get mired in details. Yes, I was in fact referring to the common definition of inbreeding, being, for lack of a better definition, the mating of two closely related individuals. I guess closely is where the fuzziness lies. I think I caused the confusion I thought I might by the use of the term "closed." I meant it to show I was referring to the sub-race whites, but not close family relations. I agree fully with your points, though. I think we're just hair-splitting on definitions.
P.S. WM, for my part, I don't think you're advocating race-mixing. What I got was that you were trying to say that some kinds of race-mixing were worse than others, for which you got pounced upon. My disagreement was simply that a little bit of mixing goes a long way when your're dealing in recessives.
2003-02-10 19:22 | User Profile
Wintermute
You have already quoted Genesis 12:3 for the benefit of this board, and when I called you on it, you refused to elaborate. That verse is the calling card of the 'for fear of the Jews crowd'. I invite you again to elaborate your understanding of this verse.
Say what? I never quoted the Genesis 12:3. I don't even know what that verse is. Never have I quoted the Bible on OD that I can recall, nor do I use the Bible to either predict the future or base my arguments around.
I do believe the Bible (esp. as a guide for living), but since others do not, I never use it as "exhibit A" in any debate.
-Jay
2003-02-10 22:43 | User Profile
"weisbrot":
Cop out?
If by taking EtherZone.com from an Alexa ranking of 130,000 (March 2002) to its current 8,200, as Strategic Director and 1/4 of the Board, in 11 months' time, bringing in Alan Stang and Albert Burns and others, whilst shooing out neocons Carol Devine-Molin (and a couple others I won't name here, out of basic courtesy), and while buying out the dearly-dead FriendsOfLiberty.com and SiaNews.com (since merged into a single site), and having been given the "whack" at "FreeRepublic.com" for horse-flogging the Arizona "chapter" into doing Something/Anything about John McCain, while I had to set up shop on DumpMcCain.com on my own dime...
& nevermind my 4 years in Arizona politics in the mid- to late-80s, wherein I worked for Governor Evan Mecham, who succeeded in both canceling the Martin Luther King holiday in that state (during his tenure; the holiday was resurrected after he was booted out of office) and the 55mph speed limit (yes, that was Mecham's proposal, at the National Governors Association Conference, 1986)...
If the aforementioned smells like a "cop out" to you, then you're in need of a nasal transplant.
Wanna put YOUR cards on the table? Got'ny demonstrations of your own hand's-on activism toward Liberty?
That I'm now based in South Korea doesn't impede my ability to write/organize in at least an attempt to see FedGov brought back to some semblance of its original precepts. & I have $12k/annum to play with, for to see these (see first paragraph) works accomplished.
Cop out? You'll need to open your portfolio before you can ever say those two words again.
2003-02-10 23:02 | User Profile
You have my congratulations for being very busy. Best of luck in South Korea.
I would never consider Evan Mecham to be a cop-out. Hey, that wasn't so hard to say after all.
2003-02-10 23:59 | User Profile
WM-
Let's go through this one more time. WM harps on Exodus 23:27 saying this proves the anti-gentile bias of the Bible. In the past he has mentioned other areas of the Bible but over the last few days Exodus 23:27 is the smoking gun or smoking verse that shows what a hateful fraud the Bible is.
When I answer back without quoting anything , that the above verse only relates to the Caananites and not gentiles in general he brushes that off with a dismissive wave. When I quote the verses in Exodus 23 that follow which show how misleading WM's remarks are he gets all huffy and says he can't be bothered to respond to someone as "thin skinned" as myself. Either don't make such simpleminded arguments WM or then at least don't whine when you are called on it.
About race-mixing WM went beyond saying that White/East Asian children should be treated huamanely to saying inter-breeding between the two groups is a "positive good" . He also gave the rban position that high caste Hindus are also good breeding stock for white men and women. It seems obvious that WM doesn't put much importance either on the White European genotype or the last seventeen hundred years of White Christian history. What WM wants to preserve with his white nationalism is anyones guess.
Let's see division between Christian and non-Christian white nationalists ,White Christians scared off from joining white nationalism and promotion of white mongrelization. Abe Foxman couldn't have done a better job.
2003-02-11 03:42 | User Profile
WM
You say that all Christians are not "bald face liars" but according to you we are all worshippers of a "tribal daemon" gee thanks alot. Huh whats that rumbling? Oh it's the stampede of white christians coming to join our cause ,good job WM.
Try as you might you can't get around the fact that you called inter-breeding with East Asians and high caste Hindus a "positive good". All the weasel words you surrounded that statement with is of no importance.
Why you draw the line at high-caste Hindus and don't include Arabs is beyond me many Arabs can be just as "white" as your beloved Hindus are. Also Mestizos and quarter bred blacks also can be on the light side and already share European genes with us lets get it on.
Wait a minute Arabs ,Latinos and blacks have an "Abrahamic" faith while East Asians and Hindus do not that the reason the former can't mingle with us but the latter can right? As I have said before you place little importance or at least have little love for the last 1700 years of Western history and the European genotype is not very important to you. Your religous views such as they are seem to be paramount in your life wrecking western culture and mongrelizing whites with asians is a small price to pay for the rebirth of pantheism which you seem to desire above all things.
2003-02-11 05:20 | User Profile
No group in southern Asia can really be called "aryan " after the centuries of mongrelization that has taken place there. Sure Persians ,high caste hindus etc have aryan blood in them but so does Hallie Berry and Mariah Carey. White nationalists should not be approving of intermarriage with either group.
My promoting white nationalism at the next church picnic would not go over very well I'm afraid but it would not go over well in 99% of non-church related white social gatherings either. However a black Christian in a black church wouldn't run across such problems same goes for an Asian or Hispanic Christian too.
White Christians pre-1950 would be much more open to white nationalism than the whites of today. The fault lies not in the Christian religon that has served us well in the past and maybe our last hope for the future. The fault lies in the aracial drones both in and out of the church who are leading us into a disaster
Martel
2003-02-12 11:46 | User Profile
to "Avalanche":
Got yr PM, and thank you for it. Copied, roger-that, etc. Tried to respond via PM but got an error message. Thanks again, though--you're a voice of reason, yourself.
& to All:
This thread slid so far from the originating article, it's now unrecognizable. Is it THAT difficult for y'all to keep to the Main Thesis, whilst redirecting your views on white nationalism, etc., to where they might best belong (on another thread)? I'm hip to the fact that this Forum is devoted, largely, to issues of race and racial purity. No problem. OK. But my article had very little to do with that subject, and not many respondents have showed an interest in discussing the tax problem faced by working Americans.
Discipline yrselves. Stay on-track. Respect the wishes of the author of a particular article (especially since he's--I--am online here to discuss the article). The one-trick pony aspect of this Forum is showing through and getting old.
2003-02-12 14:41 | User Profile
Well frankly Mr.Fahey sir, the article doesn't offer many hooks for discussion. It offers a single proposition, which may be summarized as:
If you don't like the wage situation in your country then emigrate.
Given this is a nationalist board (as the masthead announces from time to time) the answer to your proposition is going to be a resounding no. I fail to see how leaving America is a viable solution to the "tax problem faced by working Americans". Are Americans to be reduced to Third World economic migrants? Please tell me you were being ironic in this scary salon.com-ish paragraph:
We've all read about the Asian and Indian and Middle Eastern "brain-drain," where underpaid, undervalued, and/or persecuted folk from various nations escape their strictures to find a better life in America. And you can, too.
Perhaps you could provide a bulleted summary of what you feel are the key points of the article. It might serve to keep us "one-trick" nationalist hicks focused on whatever wisdom the column contains.
2003-02-12 16:35 | User Profile
TBF has himself gone from tangent to tangent on this thread, too. Talking about race, wages, LSD, asian women. If he really wanted all of us to "stay on target", why didn't he?
Besides, his article was boring. Hate to say it, but that's why it recieved no interest. I've read his stuff before (usually quite good), but this was a snoozer. Only 1 thing compelled me to respond, so I did.
-Jay
2003-02-12 20:58 | User Profile
The first rule of Internet message boards is 'round and round and round they go- where they stop, nobody knows.'
We've all started what we thought were bang-up topics and had them collar zero responses. Tough; try again. (Well, what can you do? Bitch about it?) Just the nature of the beast - like watching a thread you've inaugurated turn into a 100-response marathon run across terrain not charted on any of the original maps you started with.
At least here, they go where they will based on the direction that the board-members wish to take them in - instead of being cattle-driven towards preplanned destinations by delete-happy moderators and administrators seeking to protect us from ourselves.
Might be interesting to post your original thread-starter simultaneously on FR, LF, Polinco, NewsMax, etc, and do a compare and contrast afterwards.
You might find a more simpatico audience; then again, you might get nostalgic for Jay & Weisbrot in a hurry, too.
2003-02-12 22:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by toddbrendanfahey@Feb 12 2003, 06:46 ** Is it THAT difficult for y'all to keep to the Main Thesis...?
Discipline yrselves. Stay on-track. Respect the wishes of the author...**
As has been pointed out before, the bulk of the article was devoted- at length- to the "desirable" lifestyle that could be obtained by fleeing the U.S. and working in another country. The prescription turns out to be much worse than the disease, in the opinion of many who have responded including myself.
The one-trick pony aspect of this Forum is showing through and getting old.
Diverse, fresh stimulus is a priority when one has run with the spooks, and is "stationed" in perilous territory...
[url=http://www.fargonebooks.com/bio.html]The Bio:[/url]
Fahey has served as aide to Central Intelligence Agency agent Theodore L. "Ted" Humes, Division of Slavic Languages... He is currently stationed in South Korea as a strategic writer.
"Never, ever a dull moment around the Toddmonster."