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2003-02-02 06:47 | User Profile
I post this analysis of the Columbia shuttle break-up before reading the other senior member's remarks. Then, I shall. Judging this, I say, judges all; let that be a warning, for this is surely where the bubble broke.
<b>"May God continue to bless America" the President said; surely unwittingly.
It cannot be a blessing, nor will pretending make it so. It was a curse to be forever heard over southeast Texas, and beyond, in history. As loud as God could make it.
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While certainly recognizing and honoring the qualities of those who died, and the goal of the space program to achieve scientific knowledge and mastery of space, in the broader course and by objective spiritual discernment. If it was God, He spoke in rebuke. That is my judgment. It is based on these reasons.
1. ** Symbolic characteristics</b> **a.** The metaphor of America as an "airplane", on a "suicide mission" hung in the air (I can document this, somewhere) on people's mind after 9/11. **b.** It says: We are not bring our finest American things under the names of other's Gods. **c.** The intricate systems, social, political and economic/material, developed under the spirit of unity Old Americans shared, cannot be operated by those who believe computerized simulacra can represent American reality. Warp speed to powers of 10 isn't for public prayer to supply, however gung-ho the supplicants. It is not the same oxygen being got in the same blood stream. **d.** Another PR triumph -- Lou Dobbs was already in Fla.-- turned into horrible tragedy. Another PR blood-sacrifice linking of the U.S. and Isreal (and India) in the sky, **Look UP!** I say: look around -- then, down. **e.** If this was "God", the last time such a "He" spoke was surely in print on the Tarot card left by the sniper who killed the boy in Washington, DC. just before the last election. Unless it can be specifically proven that the kid, Malvo, wrote that inscription, the judgment must stand -- supported by the facts of the case: two white guys in a white van seen by numerous witnesses, morphing overnight into two black guys in a dark Chevy "hiding in the open" ? Hello? -- that it is the same "God". That is to say, from the standpoint of those sharing Bush's faith, not God at all, but His enemy. **f.** Dan Rather reported that the word on Baghdad's streets is that it was God's wrath on America. Saddam Hussein had issued condolences to the family. **g.** There is a karmic Rule of Twistedness, I think: When reality is so tightly twisted with fantasy
that "faith" must be invoked, in places where knowledge is required, What is most highly prized cannot be mechanically contrived
2. ** Revenants of Reaganism.** Gung-ho, tight knuckle, teeth-gritting won't get this one. They are fine, but not quite the right stuff. There are some you can't win for the Gipper. You are lost if/when you try.
Reagan's '86 State of the Union was punctuated before it was delivered by the spectacular explosion on the space craft Challenger; it had to be rewritten to weave the pain, somehow. This "Breakup", they are calling it (would that account for all the sound heard?) occured after Bush's SOTU, in which, following up on last year's "axis of evil" conceit, he had declared the Iraq people would be "liberated" from "their enemy" -- Saddam Hussein -- when the US removed him from power. If there **was** a "God", over there, for the Iraqi leader to call on, what HE would answer is surely something on the order of was heard 2.01.03 around the world. Both Reagan and Bush would be inclined to make something millenial out of it, to save the day for the millinarians and such. They appear to be looking forward to these sorts of things. I guess thats the way they will try to spin God on this one, too.
3. ** Massive Consequences ** The configurationof events is forever changed. It had changed already, rapidly, by the end of January, as war-fevor rose to an intolerable pitch. When the boil gets too full of pus, the skin has to pop open. One thing that had just been announced jolting the poison which "mainstream" media moguls everywhere was required to absorb, was the revelation in the New York Times by ex-CIA agent Stephen C. Pelletiere that it was never know for sure the Saddam "poisoned his own people" -- the Kurds in the '88 Haalubja incident. It was a war zone, and the type of gas used was Iranian, not Iraqi. Also, for stories about poison blood, Georgie and Florida hospitals were put on alert for contaminated Red Cross blood. Such things, mangageable in themselves, comfirm the general massively shared group-fantasy that "we" all have "poisoned blood" -- the fantasy that historically griped the German people in the l930's, accounting for them dumping the label "poisoner" onto "the Jew", and giving rise to the delusions of "ethnic cleansing", and "final solutions." The same group-fantasy has tragically seized Americans, now, with "liberals" slapped onto the demonized poisoners -- the ones who "always blame America first." "In bed with Saddam Hussein."
In great sorrow, though. For all of us.
2003-02-02 23:02 | User Profile
The last time a shuttle went down was when the jew woman Judith Resnik was on Challenger in 1986!!! YaHWeY has CONDEMNED satan & his kids the jews from the Heavens! As "satan was cast down to the earth", so shall his kids be here & NEVER allowed to return to the Heavens!
That is ONLY for the "seed of the Woman", the White Race & Arab Race through the seedline of Abraham! It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING! May YaHWeY return quickly!!!
Three unholy partners in the New Zionist Empire were represented on board: the US, India & Israel; struck down from the sky at mission's end, as if by an angry God reminding the rest of us that He is not mocked!!
The Jews are inescapably cursed because of their historical crimes. It happened on the Jewish Sabbath, and get this, a lot of the debris fell in the flight path in Texas in a town called Palestine. Talk about irony.
This is a modern day Tower of Babel type action, since we think the world has come together and we're trying to "touch the sky" with the shuttle and be like gods. This definitely is the hand of YaHWeY punishing us for our sins. The end is near for ZOG and the edomite jews!! Get ready!! Store food and ammo. The time is short!!
2003-02-03 00:06 | User Profile
This definitely is the hand of YaHWeY punishing us for our sins. The end is near for ZOG and the edomite jews!!
Matthew 16:1-4 1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
John 9:1-3 1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 *9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. *
Get ready!! Store food and ammo. The time is short!!
Matthew 6:19-24 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mark 8:34-36 34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Luke 12:16-21 16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? 18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
James 5:1-3 1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
[url=http://www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm]Christian Identity[/url] is a carnal heresy. Believe in it to the eternal peril of your soul.
2003-02-03 00:09 | User Profile
It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING!
That's a pretty sick thing to say, Samuel. Jew, Black, White, or whatever, the lost of human life is always an unfortunate event -- not something that calls for celebration. Where's your humanity, man!?!
2003-02-03 00:46 | User Profile
Centinel,
Thank you for your trouble in pasting the Word of YHWH.
You sound rather papish in branding people as heretic. May I remind you that the last words you typed were the last words heard by many "Christian heretics" before you "orthodox" lit the fire.
John Huss comes to mind as well as many that died to gives us the current KJV.
This was also what the "orthodox" thought when the judeo-communist swept in like a flood and killed 40 million of them.
No I am not a cursed "judeo-Christian"! My God will NOT participate in any hyphenation. He will be the First and the Last and will not allow ANY in the middle!!
To rightfully divide the Word of YHWH one must realize that Jesus Christ was YaHWeY was YHWH in the flesh!!
I am glad that there is no requirement for salvation other than faith in the blood of Christ. The worldview that the Bible describes is completely different from the one of the "judeo-Christian" world.
Thank you for your concern for my soul. I likewise sincerely wish that all is well with yours.
Samuel
2003-02-03 02:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by kminta@Feb 2 2003, 20:09 > It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING!**
That's a pretty sick thing to say, Samuel. Jew, Black, White, or whatever, the lost of human life is always an unfortunate event -- not something that calls for celebration. Where's your humanity, man!?!**
Your anthropocentrism amuses me. There are a lot of beautiful animals out there, rare tigers, for example, that have a lot more metaphysical value than some of what passes for human beings these days.
2003-02-03 02:24 | User Profile
Samuel wrote:
You sound rather papish in branding people as heretic.
A "papist" wouldn't quote from the Authorized (King James) Version of the Bible.
Your appeals to look for signs, to automatically pronounce tragic events as "YHWH's judgement," and to stockpile food and ammo are indicative of a carnal focus and spiritual immaturity, Samuel.
Your description of Jews as the "seedline of Satan" in another post, which you can't back up with one verse of Scritpture, marks you as a heretic. What basis of authority do you draw upon to make such a claim?
I referred you to these passages before, but you declined to comment. What say you about them?
Romans 1:16-17 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 11:11-24 *11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?*
Galatians 3:28-29 *28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. *
You aren't automatically a Zionist if you believe that the Gospel is for everybody, Samuel.
Unlike covenant theologians, dispensationalists ("Christian Zionists") probably have less true regard for the Jews, since in their view they support the state of Israel in a worldly way to prepare it to fight the battle of Armageddon after the church is raptured and avoid preaching the Gospel to the Jewish people. They support the state of Israel because they believe it is a fulfullment of Biblical prophecy. They believe that "Israel" and "The Church" are two separate entities, depsite Romans 9-11 and Galatians 3-4. They also believe that 2/3 of the Jews will perish during the tribulation, and they avoid mission work among the Palestinians.
If you reject the dispensationalism of the Religious Right that's prominent in America, which is a theology I believe to be in error and certainly has lead to un-Biblical conduct on the part of some of its adherants, that's no reason to chuck the Scriptures and embrace a heresy like Christian Identity as a reactionary belief.
You may find this [url=http://www.lcms.org/ctcr/docs/endtme-3.html#et-IIexj]Excursus Regarding The Jews[/url] to be helpful.
2003-02-03 02:57 | User Profile
Well you have certainly changed your tone and have adopted a hateful, vengeful talking down manner. Let me tell you right now that you will not make a convert out of me. I curse your god, you and your theology. In fact I piss on you, your god, your "bretheren", your holy papers, your family and your mama.
You sick holier-than-thous can kiss my CI arse. You are going to burn in hell and if you don't I don't want to go to heaven where people like you are.
I was decent to you but you showed your true colors. You have made an enemy.
2003-02-03 07:44 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 2 2003, 23:50 > You are going to burn in hell and if you don't I don't want to go to heaven where people like you are.**
In my experience, attitudes like this are endemic to all three Abrahamic faiths. **
I can't really speak to your experiences, wm, but if what you say is endemic to Christians then we really wouldn't be in the situation we are in America. My experience tells me that we could use a lot more intolerance instead of the feel-good mush and marketing campaigns we get from Christian pulpits these days.
2003-02-03 13:44 | User Profile
I hope no one minds if I butt in with my two cents on this religious issue....
Whether a person believes in the Bible or not is his own decision, but from a literary point of view, it clearly teaches that Christians are the new "chosen people." That does, however, include converted Jews as well as Gentiles. It also teaches that "faith" is more than just intellectual belief. Being a "faithful Christian" entails doing God's will and avoiding sin as much as possible. This is stressed throughout the New Testament. For the sins that people do commit anyway due to weakness, Christ's sacrifice provides atonement. So, no one "earns" his way into heaven in the mainstream Christian view -- but a free choice to cooperate with God by repenting and by NOT rejecting Christ is necessary. It's not like you can sin all you want to and then say, "Well, Jesus died for me, so I can get away with it." You have to at least try.
As far as Jews being the "children of Satan," there is a Bible verse that could be misinterpreted to mean that. It relates to the scene where the Pharisees were snidely telling Jesus that Abraham was their father; He replied that their father was the devil. He said that because they were lying and being deceitful, but Christ certainly didn't mean for it to apply to all Jews. The point is that the kind of things you actually DO -- good or evil -- determine whom your spiritual father is. Christ told them, "If Abraham were your father, you would do the works of Abraham...." That makes it pretty clear, IMO.
What about the modern-day Jews? Well, I don't really even think of the Zionist Israelis (or their American counterparts) as bona fide Jews in a religious sense, even though we all refer to them as such due to their racial background. There is, on the other hand, an ultra-Orthodox religious community known as the Neturei Karta that seems to represent authentic Judaism much more faithfully. The Neturei Karta abhor all Zionism and advocate the dismantling of the state of Israel. Their website is interesting because it echoes a lot of the anti-Zionist sentiments you hear on sites like OD. Here's a link for those interested: [url=http://www.netureikarta.org/]http://www.netureikarta.org/[/url] Their explanation of the difference between "Judaism" and "Zionism" is very cogent.
Anyway, I don't think seeking to remove Zionist influence from American politics will conflict with anyone's Christian beliefs unless they're of the "Christian Zionist" goofball variety. Anyone who wants to donate to a foreign nation from his own private funds will always be free to do so; but the US government has absolutely NO right to take money from its citizens at gunpoint and use it to prop up any foreign state, much less an oppressive and tyrannical regime such as Israel.
2003-02-03 14:13 | User Profile
I have no desire to be involved in a flame war between Centinel and Samyel, nor do I claim to be a Bible person, but, as long as we're quoting scripture, consider the following:
REVELATION 2:9
"I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan"
REVELATION 3:9
"Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but lie -- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you."
Most Jews today could not trace their ancestry back to the Holy Land and, therefore, are not true Semites at all. Ninety percent of the world's Jews are descended from converts to Judaism, mostly the Khazars in what is now the southern Russia. The Khazars accepted Judaism as their monotheistic faith. They did not have the remotest connection with the Old Testament Israelites of the Holy Land.
Ariel Sharon is the son of Russian/Khazar immigrants to modren-day Israel. Indeed, one could say that the Zionists and the modren-day state of Israel are Gog and Magog, the Biblical pair representing Satan in the final conflict against God's people.
-Z-
2003-02-03 18:24 | User Profile
Bravo, Wintermute. It needed saying.
2003-02-03 19:19 | User Profile
**REVELATION 2:9
"I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan"
REVELATION 3:9
"Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but lie -- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." **
Most scholars interpret these passages to refer to the persecution the early Christian church was feeling from Jews who did not believe in Christ, or even from "Judaizers," Jews who had converted to Christianity but were corrupting the Gospel by trying to force Christians to obey the Old Testament ceremonial laws. These words of Christ through John were also specifically directed at the members of two literal church congregations of the time in Asia Minor (Smyrna and Philadelphia).
At any rate, neither of these passages support Christian Identity's Satanic seedline doctrine, which holds that Cain was the offspring of Eve and Satan (represented by the serpent). According to this "two seed lines" doctrine, as it is also known, Cain and his descendants intermarried with the pre-Adamites, resulting in a "mongrel" race now known as the Jews.
[url=http://www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm]Christian Identity[/url]
2003-02-04 00:16 | User Profile
I viewed this "flame war" and will add a few observations.
While these two posters are arguing about the true faith, I will note that while they are busy flaming each other, Chuck Schumer and friends will be more than glad to have you both out working in the tundra somewhere felling trees and living on a 1000 calorie "diet".
It does seem to me that (slowly) there is emerging a brotherhood of White Nationalists. Let us not banish brothers to hell.
It also seems to me that when you get into Semites, the Semites get into you: endless arguments, endless disputes over the true faith, etc. I don't think we (whites) need anymore religious wars.
Personally, am having some doubts about the Bible: I don't trust my country to semites and am becoming less inclined to trust my soul to them.
I am looking at the possibilty that the victory of Christianity over the old pagan world was a defeat for civilization and that this victory placed the "Semite yoke" on us.
I have more questions than answers, but it does seem to me that with the rise of white nationalism may come a new religion--hopefully one that is true. Maybe the victory of Christianity was a 2000 year defeat for true knowledge about the Divine.
2003-02-04 02:34 | User Profile
Lane: Everyone hears their own heart beat, and I wouldn't try to listen to yours for you for all the world....but I pour out this from mine....
The doctrine of the Trinity is the solution. It is not "all at once". It is spread out, historically, as the three ways "deity" gets personified* (*appears under human categories).
1. (The era of) "The Father" -- First Person (already Christian: the Jews didn't call their deity that, nor do they have the least smattering of where, or how in the world they originated, having only The Book, and a genetic line of exceptional and beautiful people, through King David. The Book, itself, was an historical artifact, though it has been read by many throughout the imillenia as if it **were** history, and many accept that on faith, still. But there are many, many documents now of ante- and well as post-diluvial origin, from ancient Sumeria, both confirming Biblical events (cf. esp. the Khedoraloamar texts paralling Genesis 14, in detail; cf. Z. Sitchin, Genesis Revisited), and expanding the context considerably. Archaelogical records under ancient, ancient Babylon go through 30 layers of civilization. That area is very, very old, and we (=the US) has no business poking around over there. There are thingsthere that do not beliong to our God (meaning, what was communucated be the constitution's signers.
Words like "God" and "soul" do not communication the same thing at all times, and they "mean" what people use them to communicate -- unless one believes in a kind of primal "language of God" dictated The Bible in, which strains credulity.
2. (The era of) The Son -- Second Person, birth of Christianity with His death *and resurrection*. The last of crucial importance, though the greatest challenge to strict materialiasm, and easiest to interpret as spiritualistic ghost-worship, because, properly understood (it says here) it marks the transition from blood-religions (which the three branches of Abrahamic descent inherited. In its doctrine of transubstantiation, the literal blood believed to reappear after proper blessing, Catholicism sides with the "blood-Jesus" understanding; it takes place every seven days, not a quarterly symbolic commemoration communion as in most Baptist churches. For them, was has efficacy is not the blood itself, but what is in it -- the spirit.
This is crucial for humankind because it says that the way of sacrifice, shedding the Son's blood in obedience to the will of the Father, is not what does the saving -- though without it, there can be no forgiveness of sin, which is a pre-condition, one might say, of allowing oneself to be. The gospel message, cut short there, is cruel, war-like, savage, making Daddy's enemies God's, and vice versa. There is insufficient separation of *gravitas* and the *majesterium*. Immature youth fling themselves, and are encouraged to fling themselves, into hell to prove worthiness of heaven. But that is not the way.
3. (the era of) The Holy Spirit (not: "Ghost") -- the Third Person, which began entering Europe in the 15th century, as the Renaissance revived pre-Christian, especially Greek forms of humanity in Italy. It was as if "Sons" no longer needed a single "Father". As if the Spirit that was in the blood efflouresced in the persons who came to know it through the works of faith left behind. Some even declared the Age of the Holy Spirit in and as human, who were transformed has begun.
The tide of awakening called "the Reformation", out of continued deference to the old Roman Church that had served as custodian, can be heard in the words of Frederick Christof Shiller's classic "History of the 30 yeers war", on line. Some, more than others, would know what this spirit was that flooded through civilization as "modernity": the printing press, the Magna Carta (ahead of its time), Luther's theses; Calvin's Free Will doctrine. . . .this is the story, not just of blood shed: rivers of that flowed, marking the break .... .but of the birth of what the founders of our country called "liberty".
It was "new". A new idea; a new world; a new continent; a new people started up a new way of governing themselves. "New" meant, not just the blood always shed at birth, but something done anew; personally, at the conscious level. It took a voluntary act to cross the Atlantic ocean motivated by something not motivated by financial and economic freedom, but by somehing that honored that specific thing
that "New" stood for, and was. It was not just o "freedom of religion" it was to establish the religion of freedom. And that is why it has had problems from the begining. It has always yielded in deference to The Old, out of respect, even while the Old was corrupting everything it could not control, and rut-slutting everyting it could control to make youth blood pay for "sinning".
No more. They've kicked over the bucket, and now the barn's on fire.
I hold that the white that counts is not in the blood, but in the spirit. It is the white of light that a prism breaks up into rainbow hues. It fills, and has always filled, the universe, and does not appear in those with only one color of skin.
2003-02-04 03:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by Lane@Feb 3 2003, 19:16 ** It does seem to me that (slowly) there is emerging a brotherhood of White Nationalists. Let us not banish brothers to hell.
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I agree Lane. The alliances between different WN groups that are emerging must be cultivated continuously while religious differences can be worked out after Reconstruction. Or else, Schumer, Feinstien, Foxman and Chertoff will have us all "on the farm."
2003-02-04 17:37 | User Profile
xmethead
Don't you agree that asshole whites are worse to be around than asshole black? (leave out the Jews for a minute) Not that I would want to be around either one, mind you.
Like, women. Don't you agree that an a*sshole woman is worse that an a*sshole man?
Just curious. The deacons were always concerned about witches, you know, and there are those who will try to slip 'em in to gum up the works. It took a lot to talk the good folks in Mass to give up burning them. I DO NOT APPROVE OF THAT! Jeeze, they would start describing how their charred bodies looked, blaming it on righteous southern goobers, and shipping the pictures off to undermine morals of Iranian youth. Who could keep from finding such things tittilating?
2003-02-04 20:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by wombatnine@Feb 4 2003, 12:37 ** xmetheadÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Don't you agree that asshole whites are worse to be around than asshole black?ÃÂ (leave out the Jews for a minute)ÃÂ Not that I would want to be around either one, mind you.
ÃÂ ÃÂ Like, women. Don't you agree that an asshole woman is worse that an asshole man?
ÃÂ ÃÂ Just curious.ÃÂ The deacons were always concerned about witches, you know, and there are those who will try to slip 'em in to gum up the works.ÃÂ It took a lot to talk the good folks in Mass to give up burning them. I DO NOT APPROVE OF THAT!ÃÂ Jeeze, they would start describing how their charredÃÂ bodies looked, blaming it on righteous southern goobers, and shipping the pictures off to undermine morals ofÃÂ Iranian youth.ÃÂ Who could keep from finding such things tittilating? **
Wombatnine, I have been around complete a-holes of all races, but one thing will always ring through...."blood is thicker than water". We must put religious differences aside for us to have any whatsoever chance of surviving the coming Malestrom. Personally, I find Christian Identity, Mormons and Pentacostals to be heretical, but if they are for White Nationalism, I'd welcome them to help the Cause and then go in peace into the Great White Yonder afterwards. White Nationalism is strictly race based. Anyway, I do find the Colombia crash quite symbolic.
2003-02-04 23:52 | User Profile
"We must put religious differences aside for us to have whatsoever chance of surviving the coming Malestrom."
I agree---I guess we are having an agreement-fest!
Christians need to realize that when the Jews took over Russia, Christians of all stripes and sects had a chance to experience the same thing, the Gulag.
A couple of things I am looking at in regard to religion are, (1) is Christianity actually true, (2) does Christianity inherently divide men-- is it some sort of "plot" to screw over whites, (3) is there an alternative religion which will unite our people.
My own experience is that religious questions---who or what created us, life (or not) after death, etc., etc. are the most difficult questions of all. It probably is easier to put a man on the moon than answer these questions---there is seemingly an endless debate over religion/philosophy.
Kinda hard for a fella to know what to think! Except to look at Christians and tell them not to screw over their own people, not to be a doormat for other races, to stop being so nice and not to blow up the planet over theological points.
2003-02-05 01:55 | User Profile
OK. No agreement fest. I will never get in the way of white nationalism, if it's real nationalism. That can't be recreated, if there is going to be a First Church of New America (post 9/11) based on liberal (not literal -- neither Talmudic nor Caesarian in type) interpretation of the constitution. That's already in place, and I already appointed myself pastor (T.Jefferson, T. Paine, etc. reverred priors). Our deep, inner job will be perpetuation of the tenets of liberty and freedom as the founding fathers conceived it, which requires some actual taxes to be paid by persons deserving citizenship rights under it, in my humble opinion. Used to be property, and/or the understanding betrween gentlemen to think of national matters in terms of reasons of state rather than special or self-interests.
It is not expected that everybody will be a member of the Church, certainly, anymore than anywhere else, but we will have politicians by the short hairs. We will have a bottled collection in the pastor's study, harvested by irresistable dolphin-shaped female spies. Those who are members will be required to take "KNOW NOTHING" oaths, of course, in case they are interrogated by the mass media, or the inevitable secret agent provocateurs. When asked, no one knows anything, right? Right. Never forget it.
Now, beyond the question of tithe offerings to sustain the ministry, lets get down to the skinny here. What are the blood things based on? the same thing as the national?
I've existed 30 years in liberal land, driven to hone my political identity skills, in self defense, into a ditty:
"Oh ... I'm ... a ....
racist, homophobic,
sexual harassing,
vaguely* anti-semitic
White Male..."
(*later removed, and "Protestant" added)
...Not because I thought there was a single damn bit of sense in any of this BS PC labelling, but because if that was the game they wanted to play, OK. What I was, and I defined it on campus in radical terms. American. "Useful idiot of Gorgachev," I was called for somethng, forget what. Never claimed anything else. But I was professor of philosophy of religion for many years, and stood with the students on the steps of the administration building in protest of the Vietnam war, as posted previously, so it was understood I took my stand on grounds it was necessary to defend in class, which I did.
The cousin of Richard Gere turned up in a class one day, from Pensylvania (the north's southernmost state), saying the same thing as you, essentially: be white. The heritage is ours, it requires defending. Its been turning around since then. But there are some things connected with the Christianity I try to project, unobstrusively (hear Avalanch snarl), which happened under the skies of West Texas a half-century ago I cannot, would not talk about, except maybe in a lodge meeting, but I don't expect anyone else to be interested, why should they be?
If it comes to blood or spirit, I'm with spirit. Its stronger, more fun, and metaphysically correct. With the right union, we won't have to take sides, I hope. My main thing was, maybe we agree, is that religion was supposed to be kept out of politics. Then, it turned out that that, like anything else, can be turned into politics, so they did.
2003-02-06 08:34 | User Profile
As long as the Godology is right -- that's American. I'll leave the "theo" to whoever thinks they know what other's mental constructs are, but totally lack insight into their own.
I know Plato's and Aristotle's pretty well, to begin with, and its wrong. Good for their time, though that was before the atomic molecular theory of matter, the material nature of light, and the causal theory of perception, were discovered.
A touch of reality is necessary for objective self-criticism, otherwise we have dead word hacks doing Morticianology as if the words were supposed to mean something to somebody, maybe you!
theeology, huh Is that like, "We know Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction?"
You see, if you restrict yourself to talking about what you know about from experience, you never have to be wrong, and it doesn't make any difference what anybody else thinks about the or theee or theo or deeo or te=deeeumdio maggeeo. Its all flatulence past. Try to be in the present, then you won't flounder around so much.
Of course, if I'm wrong on anything, please tell, but give a hint on reasons? I try to be pretty explicit about the facts, which didn't include Clinton getting laid with Monica, apparently, therefore don't his include his lying about having had sexual relations with that woman, does it. Does it? I can't hear you. just throw that in because in my exerience theeologians, like Jews, are usually reluctant to actually state anything that would commit them to a fact, true or false. They just kind of levitate, intellectually. Did you you really see Pentacostals do that to a person? Were you high?
2003-02-06 14:01 | User Profile
I saw some Texas Pentecostals levitate a man once....
Wintermute, how did they do it? Wires? Toss him in a blanket?
2003-02-06 16:38 | User Profile
I'm giving up the ghost soon. Levitatee is to much for me. Gotta find the door before '04. Gotta get a fix before '06. No time for Spielberg and Hanks today. Just saw '08, and they'd passed away.
and Israel's amen corner said....whu?