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2003-02-01 17:03 | User Profile
Space shuttle Columbia breaks up over Palestine, TX!!
Shuttle, Crew Lost NewsMax Wires Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003 CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew, including Israel's first astronaut Ilan Ramon, were lost upon return to Earth Saturday following a 16-day space research mission.
Observers in Houston who could see the shuttle as it flew overhead enroute to the Kennedy Space Center in Houston reported debris falling from the sky.
"It looked just like the Mir breakup," said Stephen Clark, a contributor to spaceflightnow.com.
Ground control teams in Houston lost tracking and radio contact with the shuttle at 9 a.m. ET.
"Contingency procedures are in effect," said commentator James Hartsfield.
Under tight security, shuttle Columbia lifted off on Jan. 16. In addition to Ramon, the crew included commander Rick Husband, pilot Willie McCool, flight engineer Kalpana Chawla, payload commander Michael Anderson and astronauts David Brown and Laurel Clark.
Rescue teams have been alerted in the central Houston area and residents have been warned not to touch any debris, which could contain toxic substances.
President George W. Bush was being briefed at the presidential retreat in Camp David, Md., and was preparing to convene domestic and military committees that may be involved in the shuttle emergency.
The mission was the first of six planned for this year, with the remainder of the flights devoted to space station assembly. The loss of the shuttle and the crew comes 17 years after the Challenger accident, which claimed the lives of seven astronauts, including teacher in space Christa McAuliffe.
The woman who trained alongside McAuliffe and served as her backup was to fly on Columbia's next mission this November.
There has been no determination what caused Columbia to fall from the sky.
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2003-02-01 17:08 | User Profile
Space shuttle Columbia lost... Who does Bush call first...
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Not too long after it happened They said on the TV Bush has called Ariel Sharon to give his condolances. What?
2003-02-01 17:15 | User Profile
Need Another Seven Astronauts.
2003-02-01 17:37 | User Profile
Multiculturalism & diversity.
Works on the ground.....works in the sky.
PS: If a smoking hunk of incompetent Hindu astronaut falls from the sky and lands on a cow, does she still go to heaven?
2003-02-01 17:39 | User Profile
Here's the crew. Mmmm, any questions?
[color=blue]Rick Husband[/color] has just one other space flight under his belt and already heââ¬â¢s flying as commander. Thatââ¬â¢s a rarity. "I think a lot of it has to do with being in the right place at the right time, for starters," says Husband, 45, an Air Force colonel from Amarillo, Texas. The former test pilot was selected as an astronaut in 1994 on his fourth try. Space flight has been his lifelong passion, along with singing. Husband, a baritone, has barbershop quartet experience and has been singing in church choirs for years. [color=blue]William McCool[/color] says one of the most nerve-racking parts of training was learning to draw blood ââ¬â from others. Columbiaââ¬â¢s two pilots are exempted from invasive medical tests in orbit, like blood draws. That means he and his commander have to draw blood from their crewmates. McCool felt bad practicing on volunteers. "I didnââ¬â¢t want to inflict pain," he recalls. The Navy commander and former test pilot became an astronaut in 1996. This is the first space flight for McCool, 41, who grew up in Lubbock, Texas. [color=blue]Michael Anderson[/color] loves flying, both in aircraft and spacecraft, but he dislikes being launched. Itââ¬â¢s the risk factor. "Thereââ¬â¢s always that unknown," he says. Anderson, 43, the son of an Air Force man, grew up on military bases. He was flying for the Air Force when NASA chose him in 1994 as one of only a handful of black astronauts. He traveled to Russiaââ¬â¢s Mir space station in 1998. He is now a lieutenant colonel and in charge of Columbiaââ¬â¢s dozens of science experiments. His home is Spokane, Wash. [color=blue]Kalpana Chawla[/color] wanted to design aircraft when she emigrated to the United States from India in the 1980s. The space program was the furthest thing from her mind. But "one thing led to another," the 41-year-old engineer said, and she was chosen as an astronaut in 1994. On her only other space flight, in 1996, Chawla made mistakes that sent a satellite tumbling out of control, and two spacewalkers had to go out and capture it. She realizes some may see this flight as her chance to redeem herself. [color=blue]David Brown[/color] is a Navy novelty: Heââ¬â¢s both a jet pilot and a doctor. Heââ¬â¢s also probably the only NASA astronaut to have worked as a circus acrobat. (It was a summer job during college.) He says what he learned about "the teamwork and the safety and the staying focused" has carried over to his space job. He joined the Navy after his medical internship, and his current rank is captain. NASA chose him as an astronaut in 1996. This is the 46-year-old Virginia native's first space flight. [color=blue]Laurel Clark[/color], a Navy physician who worked undersea, likens the numerous launch delays to a marathon in which the finish line keeps moving out five miles. "Youââ¬â¢ve got to slow back down and maintain a pace," she says. The 41-year-old Clark was a diving medical officer aboard submarines and then a naval flight surgeon. She became an astronaut in 1996. Clark will help with Columbiaââ¬â¢s science experiments, which should have flown almost two years ago. Her hometown is Racine, Wis. [color=blue]Ilan Ramon[/color], a colonel in Israelââ¬â¢s air force, is the first Israeli to be launched into space. "Itââ¬â¢s a very symbolic mission," he says. His mother and grandmother survived the Auschwitz death camp, and his father was a Zionist who fought for Israelââ¬â¢s statehood. The astronaut also fought for his country, in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and the Lebanon War in 1982. Ramon, 48, was selected as an astronaut in 1997 and moved to Houston in 1998 to train for a shuttle flight. He calls Tel Aviv home.
[url=http://www.msnbc.com/news/857733.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1]http://www.msnbc.com/news/857733.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1[/url]
2003-02-01 17:48 | User Profile
R.I.P.
2003-02-01 17:58 | User Profile
Not to mention the obligatory Howard Stern crank-call to clueless dork Dan Rather this morning. Rather added to the comedy by solemnly asking the prankster a followup question.(!!)
2003-02-01 17:59 | User Profile
The media is playing its Zionist agent role they are spewing zio propaganda left and right on this. MSNBC just have to hurl watching it.
2003-02-01 18:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by Faust@Feb 1 2003, 11:08 ** Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Not too long after it happened They said on the TV Bush has called Ariel Sharon to give his condolances. What? **
Watching Headline News I was left wondering if there were any astronauts besides the Israeli one! Live shots from Jerusalem, etc...
2003-02-01 18:05 | User Profile
Actually, I read that 40% of NASA engineers are Indian.
Guess they screwed the pooch on this one.
-Jay
2003-02-01 18:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Malachi@Feb 1 2003, 11:59 ** The media is playing its Zionist agent role they are spewing zio propaganda left and right on this. MSNBC just have to hurl watching it. **
I've been watching it too. Truly disgusting stuff. The Israeli ambassador was spouting off about how this tragedy would (paraphrasing here) "bring our two great, free countries even closer together" and "strengthen the special bond between Israel and the United States." It was such shameless exploitation of a tragedy. And when I say "tragedy," I'm only referring to the dead Americans. I only wish all seven astronauts had been Israelis.
On another note, the symbolism here is uncanny, isn't it? An Israeli killer hitches a ride on an American spacecraft, and the mission ends in mutual destruction over a Texas town called PALESTINE.
2003-02-01 18:11 | User Profile
The crew's strength was its diversity.
2003-02-01 18:21 | User Profile
FOX, of course, is fawning all over the dead Israeli. (and the hindu as well,) I learned that he though he wasn`t religious, he kept kosher on the shuttle as well as bringing up some religious crap and something savaged from the "holocaust."
With all due respect to the dead, isn`t space at a premium for such nonsense?
R.I.P.
2003-02-01 18:25 | User Profile
Maybe more symbolic than that, Angler. Three unholy partners in the New Zionist Empire were represented on board: the US, India & Israel; struck down from the sky at mission's end,as if by an angry God reminding the rest of us that He is not mocked.
2003-02-01 18:47 | User Profile
**On another note, the symbolism here is uncanny, isn't it? An Israeli killer hitches a ride on an American spacecraft, and the mission ends in mutual destruction over a Texas town called PALESTINE. **
....and you can bet that won't be lost on the Web's Armageddon conspiracy fringe contingent, either.
[url=http://www.snopes.com]Snopes[/url] should get some doozies out of this one.
2003-02-01 20:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 1 2003, 18:47 > On another note, the symbolism here is uncanny, isn't it? An Israeli killer hitches a ride on an American spacecraft, and the mission ends in mutual destruction over a Texas town called PALESTINE. **
....and you can bet that won't be lost on the Web's Armageddon conspiracy fringe contingent, either.
[url=http://www.snopes.com]Snopes[/url] should get some doozies out of this one.**
There will be all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around I'm sure, and not just on conspiracy websites. Coming on the eve of our Iraqi war, with the first Israeli astronaut on board, this comes at a very bad time.
Hate to put a quash on the excitement but I wouldn't be too flippant or indiscrete. You can bet the new Department of Homeland Security will be using this incident to justify its new workload, and I'm sure one of the places they'll be looking at is the internet, especially websites with anti-Israeli viewpoints.
2003-02-01 20:44 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Feb 1 2003, 17:39 ** [color=blue]Kalpana Chawla[/color] ... On her only other space flight, in 1996, Chawla made mistakes that sent a satellite tumbling out of control, and two spacewalkers had to go out and capture it. She realizes some may see this flight as her chance to redeem herself.
**
So did she "redeem" herself blowing this one up?
I'm starting a betting pool now that says the real story never gets told. Bush has already ruled out terrorism which means terrorism is a ikely explanation.
2003-02-01 20:58 | User Profile
Hate to put a quash on the excitement but I wouldn't be too flippant or indiscrete. You can bet the new Department of Homeland Security will be using this incident to justify its new workload
Just like 9/11, the professional bureaucrats will exploit the tragedy to the greatest extent possible to expand their fiefdoms.
Get ready for more gubmint spending and more laws.
2003-02-01 21:18 | User Profile
**I am hoping there will be a joint memorial service for these brave souls .... a multi-faith service with a rabbi and a Hindu priest!! That'll make you guys burn with rage, won't it? **
Hopefully, there won't be any Christian ministers at such an "interfaith" service. Any Christian minister who joins in prayer with heathens is on the wrong side of of Scripture, and needs to be disciplined by his church.
I'm no fan of Hal Lindsey's dispensationalist views, but he hit the nail on the head with this essay about the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod disciplining Rev. David Benke for participating in an interfaith service at Yankee Stadium following 9/11:
[url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28223]Participating with pagans[/url]
2003-02-01 21:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Feb 1 2003, 20:46 ** And yes, I think it is very symbolic and beautiful that Hindus and Jews work together to benefit America. **
This guy shows where he is coming from, always thought he was a jew playing hindu.
2003-02-01 21:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Feb 1 2003, 18:25 ** Maybe more symbolic than that, Angler. Three unholy partners in the New Zionist Empire were represented on board: the US, India & Israel; struck down from the sky at mission's end,as if by an angry God reminding the rest of us that He is not mocked. **
You hit the nail on the head.
2003-02-01 22:17 | User Profile
Hey, Il Ragno, how come there were none of your tribe on the shuttle?
Because it blew up on re-entry.
My money's on The Gupta did it, the only logical candidate for cover-up status.Were there some fatal design flaw in the engineering, this tragedy would've occurred two weeks ago, on launch. NOT admitting that weighting the project with women and strategically placed minorities paid the usual dividends - death, disaster and billions flung down a rathole - is the only purpose of this coming probe, which will be designed to quell any questions about the Jew, the black, the woman or the tandoori jinx aboard the craft.
Bush immediately ko'd terrorism because leaping on this for EZ-Duz-It justification for an invasion would've horrified a world already aghast at his naked opportunism and stupidity, possibly kiboshing his dreams of conquest.
***These seven are heroes who have made the ultimate sacrifice on the alter of freedom. ***
Please elucidate. The fact is if their mission was that noble, the media didn't bother to inform us of such prior to the disaster. Most people weren't even aware they'd gone up,since the same "news organizations" now waving their crying towels passed on daily coverage - or any coverage -to devote their efforts to keeping the populace informed on Joe Millionaire's overall grooviness, the fulsome charms of The Bachelorette, and our mongrelized world's answer to OscarWilde, "Simon" from AMERICAN IDOL.
The only "news" here is that these debacles don't happen when NASA and their subcontractors employed white men exclusively, instead of being press-ganged into pretending that a woman's as good as any man in combat/stress situations - and a nier's better than either.
2003-02-01 23:27 | User Profile
Uh huh;whatever.
Gimme extra onions on that frank, Apu; and do you have Sprite in the can?
2003-02-01 23:39 | User Profile
**Malachi (about rban): This guy shows where he is coming from, always thought he was a jew playing hindu. ** Or maybe he's just jerking yer chain?! Looks like it worked! :D
2003-02-02 00:34 | User Profile
Did they give the steering wheel to a Will Smith wannabe? Or maybe to the mad shittylilestani bomber on a "I'm chosen" trip. "Independence Day", where a Negro and a Jew save the world, was a Jew fantasy ;)
2003-02-02 00:34 | User Profile
I have had some rather subversive thoughts about this shuttle incident. First, the Jew on board dedicated the mission to his fellow Jews around the world, and of course the shuttle is toast. This tells me that the Jews are inescapably cursed because of their historical crimes. It happened on the Jewish Sabbath, and get this, a lot of the debris fell in the flight path in Texas in a town called Palestine. Talk about irony.
I view this as a warning to America for its arrogance and its reliance on the false security of its high technology, especially as the U.S. is contemplating a war with Iraq--and this Jew on board had bombed Iraq in 1981. Bush better really think about what he's about to do.
This is a modern day Tower of Babel type action, since we think the world has come together (the lady from India on board) and we're trying to "touch the sky" with the shuttle and be like gods. I'm not generally a strongly religious man, but this is definitely the hand of God or fate (hell, lets throw in karma for the Hindu lady) punishing us for our sins, even I can see that. Freaky stuff, isn't it? It makes you think.
2003-02-02 02:55 | User Profile
[url=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2152783]http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=2152783[/url]
**Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance ** Sat February 1, 2003 02:08 PM ET
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that its was God's retribution on Americans.
"We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
Car mechanic Mohammed Jaber al-Tamini noted Israeli air force Colonel Ilan Ramon was among the dead when the shuttle broke up shortly before its return to earth.
"Israel launched an aggression on us when it raided our nuclear reactor without any reason (in 1981), now time has come and God has retaliated to their aggression," Tamini said.
2003-02-02 03:04 | User Profile
Folks, the last time a shuttle went down was when the "jew Teacher" woman was on board!!! YHVH has CONDEMNED satan & his kids the jews from the Heavens! As "satan was cast down to the earth", so shall his kids be here & NEVER allowed to return to the Heavens!
That is ONLY for the "seed of the Woman", the White Race & Arab Race through the seedline of Abraham! It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING! May YHVH return quickly!!!
rtogo@yahoo.com
2003-02-02 03:41 | User Profile
**That is ONLY for the "seed of the Woman", the White Race & Arab Race through the seedline of Abraham! It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING! May YHVH return quickly!!! **
Do you profess to be a Christian?
Find one passage of Scripture that describes Jews as the "seedline of Satan."
While you are searching the Bible to find support for your heretical Christian Identity views, you may wish to meditate upon these passages....
Romans 1:16-17
Romans 3:23
Romans 11:11-24
Galatians 3:28-29
2003-02-02 03:42 | User Profile
Was Christa McAuliffe a Jewess?? She was the teacher, if I recall.
2003-02-02 03:51 | User Profile
Way to go, Rban and Centinel, good voices of reason.
Whatever our grievances with Jews, let us remember that they are ALL as human and deserving of Eternal Life as ANY OTHER.
I find comments of the previous posters utterly repulsive.
Still, let this loss of good life be a reminder of our imperfection, and a thought that life is precious, whether it be 6 dead Americans, 1 Israeli, or 40 Palestinians tomorrow, 20,000 Iraqis next month.... who will mourn them ?
But to call the shuttle crash an Act of God is utter biased conjecture. C'est La Vie.
2003-02-02 04:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Feb 1 2003, 18:05 ** Actually, I read that 40% of NASA engineers are Indian.
Guess they screwed the pooch on this one.
-Jay **
That would surprise me, if it's true. I worked for several years at Marshall Space Flight Center, Michoud Assembly Facility, and Johnson Space Center, and I saw very few Indians. Saw more east Asians in Houston... but, by and large the majority of the engineering workforce I saw was white and male.
2003-02-02 04:55 | User Profile
My comments, repulsive or not, are mine exclusively; "Samuel" is on his own.
Let me add, however, that I consider it a signal honor to be characterized as a loon by Apu, that beacon of mental health who spends most of his time here pleading with the population of Earth to bow before his will unquestioningly if we wish to survive as a species.
2003-02-02 05:22 | User Profile
This tragedy is a disturbing one for me, as was I raised a space-program fanatic. At times, after kicking back a few too many wiskey's, I even like to ruminate on European Aryan colonies out in the asteroid belts or the like. Looks like the government is going to get us there, at any rate.
The newsite are emphasizing the disturbing effects of this incident, coming on the heels of 9-11. That's were I see some silver lining. Gen Y is not going to be the happy, government-loving, multicultural bunch the media predicts. Gen Y is going to consistent of a lot of wary, pessimistic, hard-nosed individuals. I.e., conservatives.
2003-02-02 06:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Feb 2 2003, 00:34 ** I have had some rather subversive thoughts about this shuttle incident. First, the Jew on board dedicated the mission to his fellow Jews around the world, and of course the shuttle is toast. This tells me that the Jews are inescapably cursed because of their historical crimes. It happened on the Jewish Sabbath, and get this, a lot of the debris fell in the flight path in Texas in a town called Palestine. Talk about irony. **
Yes indeed. So many "coincidences", one can hardly escape seeing them as ominous portents.
The chest-thumping Chimp had better watch his step with his endless plans of "pre-emptive" conquest. God and/or karma appear to be on the move....
2003-02-02 14:52 | User Profile
This was interesting.
All day yesterday, NASA was telling everyone through the federal media: Don't touch anything -- you could die or get horribly ill or something.
Then, a concerned local asks: hey, what about all that stuff that fell into our water reservoir????
The sheriff at the news conference this morning siad: NASA says absolutely no public health threat there -- no problem at all -- drink up.
But hey, wait a minute [scratching head here], didn't you just say...
2003-02-02 14:58 | User Profile
Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance Sat February 1, 2003 02:08 PM ET
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that its was God's retribution on Americans.
"We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
...
Of course, the federal media is quite indignant over this from the Iraqis.
Gee, perhaps the Iraqis would be a tad more sympathetic towards this shuttle disaster if the American military wasn't about to unload on thier country. Ungrateful bast**ds. :blink:
2003-02-02 16:03 | User Profile
<< All day yesterday, NASA was telling everyone through the federal media: Don't touch anything -- you could die or get horribly ill or something. >>
This was probably an attempt to stop people from looting the pieces. A chunk of metal of the Columbia would probably fetch a good amount of money in the future. Similar to how the artifacts from the Titanic are expensive.
I wonder how much a piece of the Columbia would sell for on e-bay?
2003-02-02 17:19 | User Profile
[url=http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,887236,00.html]http://www.observer.co.uk/international/st...,887236,00.html[/url]
This link cites various safety problems at NASA. They key paragraphs:
ââ¬ÅSpace agency officials discovered in late 1999 that many employees didn't have the necessary skills to properly manage avionics, mechanical engineering and computer systems, according to the GAO report. ââ¬Å
ââ¬ÅA year earlier, a General Accounting Office report had warned that the loss of experienced engineers and technicians in the space shuttle programme was threatening the safety of future missionsââ¬Â¦Ã¢â¬Â
The older and more experienced engineers and technicians were in all probability white males. And due to government affirmative action mandates you can bet that the more recent hires emphasized women and ââ¬Åpeople of colorââ¬Â. NASA has long been criticized for being ââ¬Åtoo whiteââ¬Â. This is the reason that you always now see at least a few non-whites on each mission.
And affirmative action is simply a program of selecting people based on racial/sexual characteristics over qualifications. The best qualified crew and engineers are no longer selected. Political Correctness trumps science.
However, nature is never mocked. The forces of nature will not ââ¬Årace normââ¬Â the forces of gravity and friction. If a Black engineer miscalculates the trajectory of a rocket, nature will not make special accommodations because the engineer is Black.
2003-02-02 17:26 | User Profile
rban wrote:
**And Il Ragno, I don't think you will find many on this forum who will challenge my mental stability. **
Oh this is more fun than shooting fish in a barrel. :D
But on to the topic in question, the Tribe wastes no time in milking the tragedy by working in the customary Holocau$t angle. I'd also be curious what extra payload Memsahib Chapatty took on board, and if the goat was properly strapped in...
[url=http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,887235,00.html]http://www.observer.co.uk/international/st...,887235,00.html[/url]
The Israeli
Israeli astronaut carried sketch by Auschwitz boy
Tony Thompson Sunday February 2, 2003 The Observer
Colonel Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli in space, wore his country's heritage on his sleeve during his flight on the Space Shuttle Columbia. The son of a Holocaust survivor, Ramon took with him 'Moon Landscape', a small pencil drawing by a 14-year-old boy who dreamed of what the Earth might look like from outer space. The artist, Peter Ginz, never lived to see such a sight, or even to witness the day when humans first travelled beyond the Earth's atmosphere. He died at Auschwitz, one of six million Jews exterminated by the Nazis during the Second World War.
The 8in by 11in drawing was given to Ramon on loan from Yad Vashem, Israel's national Holocaust memorial. 'It's a drawing of Peter as he imagined himself looking at Earth from the Moon,' said Ramon, 48. 'I really feel I'm taking his imagination and kind of fulfilling his wish of being there. To be the first Israeli astronaut is symbolic for all Israelis,' he said. 'And probably the fact that I'm a son of a Holocaust survivor is even more symbolic. You can think of it as I carry on, I'm kind of proof that, despite all the Holocaust generation went through, we're going forward.'
Although Ramon was not particularly religious, he ate only kosher food during the mission and took time to mark the Sabbath. Ramon also packed a credit-card-sized microfiche of the Torah given him by Israeli President Moshe Katsav and some mezuzas - holy inscriptions that are hung on door frames of Jewish homes. Ramon's father gave him family photos to take into space and a brother had a letter stowed away in the shuttle that Ramon read in orbit.
Ramon, the son of Auschwitz survivor Tonya Wolferman, became an instant national hero in Israel when he blasted off on 16 January. He had fought in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and in the 1982 war in Lebanon.
Ramon was one of the fighter pilots who destroyed an unfinished nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981. The attack, in which eight F-16 warplanes obliterated the French-built Osirak reactor near Baghdad, was a milestone for Israeli aviation because the planes flew over Arab territory for hours without detection. The pilots flew in a tight formation to send off a radar signal resembling that of a large commercial airliner.
Although he was the first Israeli in space, Colonel Ramon was not the first Jew. By tragic coincidence, that was Judith Resnick, who died in the Challenger shuttle explosion.
2003-02-02 18:30 | User Profile
The 8in by 11in drawing was given to Ramon on loan from Yad Vashem, Israel's national Holocaust memorial.
Looks like they won't be getting that particular relic back. But no worries--they're pros at manufacturing ones that are new enough to seem old.
2003-02-02 19:45 | User Profile
Perhaps Col. Ramon didn't pray to the gods of Holocaustianity before re-entry.
2003-02-02 21:40 | User Profile
Quotes from this [url=http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Holocaust/spaceholocaust.htm]article.[/url]
Ramon is the first Israeli astronaut but will not be the first Jew in space. That was Judith Resnick, who later died aboard the Challenger, but made her first flight in 1984. Other American Jews have flown since them, some making small commemorations of their heritage while in orbit.
So the first Jew into space also died in a shuttle accident.
Although he is not religious, he asked to take the first Kosher food into space - NASA found an Illinois company that vacuum packs Kosher products for hikers and campers - and he will also observe the Jewish Sabbath with ritual prayer, if time permits
I thought that most food was kosher as just about everything has the U and P sign on it.
2003-02-02 22:39 | User Profile
[url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30823]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30823[/url]
"It didn't take long for many Americans to try to cash in on the space shuttle Columbia disaster, with numerous postings of shuttle memorabilia on eBay ââ¬â with some claiming to be actual debris. "
And I made the e-bay prediction yesterday somewhat in jest. What's next? An e-bay ad trying to sell remains of an astronaut?
Our culture is quite corrupt.
2003-02-02 22:54 | User Profile
I was delighted to hear that rban was still upset about my post. Just when I think about given up I am reminded that the truth does cut like a sharp two edged sword.
It is ironic in light of the jact that I majored in Indian (dot not feather) history in my first undergraduate degree. While I greatly admire and love the Indian people I took away 4 lessons from the study of India.
1) Racial mongralization is destruction
2) Different races can not live in harmony in close proximity of each other
3) The second greatest gift India ever had was the White Man (Israelite tribe of Anglo-Saxons in the form of Great Britian)
4)The greatest gift, but sadly the one they rejected, was the belief of the one and only Diety, the Master of Nations. YaHWey is His Name! This rejection is the direct cause of every problem India now has.
2003-02-03 00:50 | User Profile
rban,
India is alast, a land of ignorant, idol worshiping, turd eaters. That is what is called the unvarnished truth.
Samuel
2003-02-03 02:30 | User Profile
The Space program is a vast waste of billions upon billions of dollars without one benefit to the quality of life of ordinary tax slaves like us who pay for the whole thing. Crumbling infrastructure and overloaded highways, worst train system in the world, inner city blight, cancer and other diseases, etc.....sorry no money for those!!! END THE SPACE PROGAM NOW! Unless, that is, you think velcro is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
2003-02-03 03:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Feb 2 2003, 18:30 The Space program is a vast waste of billions upon billions of dollars without one benefit to the quality of life of ordinary tax slaves like us who pay for the whole thing. Crumbling infrastructure and overloaded highways, worst train system in the world, inner city blight, cancer and other diseases, etc.....sorry no money for those!!! END THE SPACE PROGAM NOW!
xmetalhead I have to disagree. You could take all the money spent on the space program, (which probably isn't much more than American taxpayers send to Israel every year), give it back to the federal government, and they would probably just spend it on low-cost housing for 'new Americans', or some other useless vote-buying scheme. The space program is made up of some of the finest people on the planet and I think they deserve all the support we can give them.
I was watching Canadian astronaut Marc Garneau answer questions about the shuttle crash at a news conference yesterday and I was struck by what an outstanding individual this man is. Garneau has flown 3 shuttle missions and from the way he was answering questions it was obvious he knows the shuttle and its systems inside and out. A fine mind, keen sense of duty and honor, and a friend to his fellow astronauts. These are the people who should be getting our money, not the immigrants and whining welfare cases who, even though they return absolutely nothing for the investment, have politicians climbing over each other to give them money.
Unless, that is, you think velcro is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
What about satellites? They're good for something aren't they?
2003-02-03 03:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Feb 2 2003, 20:30 ** END THE SPACE PROGAM NOW! **
Not until we colonize Mars. Whitey needs to get back into his natural business of exploration.
Perhaps one of these times we'll do it correctly.
2003-02-03 05:15 | User Profile
Exploration of space is a natural development of a healthy, vibrant, and technologically advanced society. A civilization that has its priorities properly aligned and has sufficient resources to pursue endeavours that may or may not yield future advantages, such as new technologies, knowledge and (perhaps) living space, without sacrificing its ranking among Earth bound competitors, is right to reach for the stars. This quest is innate to Aryans and we ought not resist its pull.
While the US may be technologically advanced it is presently wanting in the other requisites and this may be the reason why some members feel the program is a waste. This thinking is strictly correct in that it is ludicrous to speak of colonizing other worlds while our living space is being colonized by savages and various biological refuse. Since the invaders come with the approval and urging of our masters, the respective merits of this and other ventures is irrelevant since our people and culture are not the intended beneficiary.
Of course, the space program has reached its apex with the Apollo missions in the early seventies, coinciding and following, not incidentally, the true highpoint of US prosperity and dominance. It has been a steady decline ever since and the pattern will continue until formal cancellation. In the lifecycle of a democracy a point is inevitably reached wherein citizens demand that no resources be ââ¬Ësquanderedââ¬â¢ in manner that does not immediately provide for their comfort, and job security conscious politicians do not fail to accommodate such requests. We are nearing this point now and talks of nuclear powered man missions to Mars ought to be taken for the comic relief that they are.
BTW, this anti-Semite would appoint a Richard Feynman to any of the investigations to follow in a wink.
2003-02-03 06:08 | User Profile
Okiereddust:
**There will be all sorts of conspiracy theories floating around I'm sure, and not just on conspiracy websites. **
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/02/MN3324.DTL]Conspiracy theories springing up in Internet chat rooms[/url]
Experts say predictable reactions include the bizarre, tasteless and opportunistic
Ryan Kim Chronicle Staff Writer February 2, 2003
The debris from the Columbia space shuttle had barely crashed to Earth when the first conspiracy theories came to life.
It took a couple of hours for someone to post a piece of wreckage for sale on EBay. Meanwhile, experts in humor predicted that old Challenger shuttle jokes would soon be resuscitated after more than a decade in storage.
While much of the country mourned Saturday's shuttle disaster, a small minority responded in bizarre, tasteless and opportunistic ways. Some used the occasion as a chance to circulate conspiracy ideas and grudges, or try to earn a buck.
"You can say it's a built-in biological reaction," said William Fry, emeritus professor of psychiatry at Stanford University. "Sometimes people respond in tasteless ways, sometimes in artistic ways."
The Bush administration on Saturday quickly dismissed the notion that the shuttle was brought down intentionally. But that didn't stop people from positing their beliefs as to what really transpired.
Depending on who was writing in various Internet news groups, the shuttle was destroyed by the U.S. government -- in an attempt to funnel money away from NASA and to the Iraq war campaign -- or by the Israelis or Muslim extremists.
One person on Google noted that shuttle debris came down in the general area of Palestine, Texas, while another observed that this was the first time that an Israeli was on board the shuttle.
John Morreall, a professor of religion at College of William and Mary in Virginia, said some people turn to conspiracy theories in a genuine attempt to understand an inexplicable tragedy, to assemble order from chaos.
"For many Americans, we like simple reasons for everything," said Morreall. "People don't want to believe that our technology can fail, so if we can blame it on a foreign person or group, it feels better than saying our own technology failed."
But massive disasters are also opportune times to reinforce long-held hatreds and grudges against various scapegoats, said Alan Dundes, an anthropology professor at UC Berkeley.
As an example, in some Internet news groups, some people were already suspecting that the lone Israeli astronaut was somehow implicated in the explosion.
One would-be huckster tried to capitalize on Saturday's tragedy by trying to sell Columbia shuttle debris on EBay; it is unknown if it was real debris or not. The Internet auction site pulled the proposal a short time later.
Dundes said that after any large event, however disastrous, there emerges a market for souvenirs. And with that come unscrupulous entrepreneurs who will try to take advantage.
"People want to touch celebrity, and celebrity can be calamity or disaster as well," Dundes said.
It may take longer for the tasteless humor to emerge following this, the second American shuttle tragedy. But experts on humor say it won't be too long before people find a way to get a tasteless laugh from the incident.
Following the deadly explosion aboard the Challenger shuttle in 1986, numerous jokes were circulated, on subjects ranging from the last words of the crew to the whereabouts of their remains.
"It's a genetic mechanism to try and control these emotions, which have destructive factors in them," said Fry, who has written six books on humor. "We try to create humor out of tragedy in an attempt to relieve fear and/or depression."
Morreall thinks there will be fewer jokes overall about the fate of the Columbia crew -- in part because of looming concerns about a war with Iraq and the worsening economy -- and because many cracks have already been used in the Challenger disaster.
But he said that as offensive as the jokes are, they will find their way into circulation because they remind people of how fortunate they are in comparison.
"If it's someone else's problem, we can get a certain thrill from it," said Morreall. "Part of the delight is, it's not us."
2003-02-03 07:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Feb 2 2003, 20:30 ** The Space program is a vast waste of billions upon billions of dollars without one benefit to the quality of life of ordinary tax slaves like us who pay for the whole thing. Crumbling infrastructure and overloaded highways, worst train system in the world, inner city blight, cancer and other diseases, etc.....sorry no money for those!!! END THE SPACE PROGAM NOW! **
Amen, xm. Well said.
2003-02-03 07:44 | User Profile
The Space program is a vast waste of billions upon billions of dollars without one benefit to the quality of life of ordinary tax slaves like us who pay for the whole thing. Crumbling infrastructure and overloaded highways, worst train system in the world, inner city blight, cancer and other diseases, etc.....sorry no money for those!!! END THE SPACE PROGAM NOW!
It should be a competitive industry in the private sector with no government involvement.
2003-02-03 07:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 3 2003, 01:44 It should be a competitive industry in the private sector with no government involvement.
Exactly. I no more want my hard-earned dollars stolen from me to be poured down that drain hole than I want them to subsidize Israel, Egypt or any other armpit of the world nation.
If somebody wants to go into space, more power to them, but do it on their own nickel. I've got kids shoes to buy.
2003-02-03 13:28 | User Profile
Tex and Centinel, good points on privatizing the space industry. The technologies invented and advanced through sending shuttles to space shouldn't be subsidized by the tax payer. I'm not sure we get back for our investment. NASA and the Feds make millions upon millions when launching commercial satellites for Telecom giants, Satellite TV companies and GPS systems. I guess those things do benefit the common man even if in a superficial way. Anyway, it's JMO.
2003-02-03 13:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 2 2003, 03:41 ** > **That is ONLY for the "seed of the Woman", the White Race & Arab Race through the seedline of Abraham! It is a sad loss of life for the White Race Astronauts, BUT when a jew dies, the seedline of satan, that is a WONDERFUL THING! May YHVH return quickly!!! **
Do you profess to be a Christian?
Find one passage of Scripture that describes Jews as the "seedline of Satan."
While you are searching the Bible to find support for your heretical Christian Identity views, you may wish to meditate upon these passages....
Romans 1:16-17
Romans 3:23
Romans 11:11-24
Galatians 3:28-29 **
REVELATION 2:9
"I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan"
REVELATION 3:9
"Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but lie -- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you."
-Z-
2003-02-04 00:58 | User Profile
Canceling the space program wouldn't save you one nickel in taxes.
The feds will squeeze just as much money out of you either way because it's never a question of how much they need; it's how much they can take and get away with it.
2003-02-04 03:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 3 2003, 22:06 The headline of this morning's Austin American Statesman reads, New Clues Point to Left Wing.
Its about time the Left Wing gets implicated in something. I've waited for years to hear about a Left Wing conspiracy. :D
2003-02-04 19:01 | User Profile
I agree with Sisyos for the most part - except for the bit about Feynman. He was a grandstander, hogging the camera while others did the actual work. All he did was explain what went wrong, after others figured it out. Smart man, but he didn't do squat back in '86.
It's doubtful there would be much talk about ending the space program if the hijacking of our government hadn't become complete in the 1960's. The space program is a natural extension of Western Man's sense of adventure, his ability to dream, his unparalleled imagination. So much talk is being bandied about right now regarding the expense, because we have so many other expenses that shouldn't even be a consideration. What are those expenses? Social programs for non-whites in the U.S., foreign aid - especially aid to Israel, to name just two of culprits. These evils alone have cost us far more than a real space program would have. By real, I mean a program that would have had the U.S. land a manned craft on Mars back in the mid-80's. Instead, with the yahoodis dictating policy, money has been diverted from working for those who earn and their interests, etc., into the hands of those that exist to take. And hate those that they take the money from.
Too many whites have lost their innate sense of adventure. This seems to have coincided with their loss of courage, especially physical courage. The depths of the brainwashing over the years is amazing, and sometimes visible even by some who post on this forum. If and when things really tumble - they will - I hope that those who have lost much of what they should be can get it back, because that is all anyone really has when they are backed against the wall, when it's time to suck it up and be a man.
I've also suspected that some of the jewish led attacks on the space program over the years ("Why spend the money on rockets? Look at the poor!") was also based on jealousy. Jealousy of a people courageous enough to take chances of this magnitude. Jealousy because they are part of a group whose structure and mental make-up would never allow them to undertake such a venture even if they did possess the imagination and daring. (Although if we did make it to Mars, once travel was deemed relatively safe, they'd try to follow and set up shop, to bleed the Red Planet dry, eh?) Probably also a fear of whites moving so far ahead technologically. So, money gets dumped into useless social programs, and things go backward. The shuttle program seems much like something that could have been done 30 years ago.
Most people have no idea how much of the technology they take for granted has come from the space program. Whether its' something as simple as clearer images on their television, to the materials used in new, fully functional prosthesis - the amazing artificial legs etc. we now see, these things were pioneered in the space program, or are the result of things created for the space program.
We won't see any improvement right now - in anything - as long as the current tribal regime holds sway over DC. Anyone that thinks that ending the program would save them a nickel is mistaken. The money would be spent somewhere else; on a new make work fed department, social programs, or the upkeep of our only ally in the Middle East, it would go right down the drain. The crumbling infrastructure in this country is hardly the fault of the space program. It's happening on purpose. The funds to fix the instructure are instead spent on Leroy, LaSheeqwa, Julio and Margarita. Not to mention funding new settlements on Palestinian land, and the federally funded incubators called public housing in all of our big cities. The ever expanding list of expenses is designed to drive us into the ground, and away from the stars.
2003-02-04 19:17 | User Profile
Roy,
With all due respect I think it is a mistake to equate advocating the defunding of the space program with loss of a 'sense of adventure'. As I stated previously, if men want to explore space and such that is great and more power to them. But they need to do it on their own nickel. There's quite simply no moral justification, nor constitutional support, for the federal robber-barons to steal money out of my pocket to spend on the space program or any other social program or foreign-aid you wisely criticize.
At the very least give me the opportunity to opt-out. I no longer have the view that anything the federal government funds in any way supports my interests as a white, Christian father of three in Texas.
2003-02-04 19:24 | User Profile
TD - not a personal attack at all. It's the "I give up" attitude prevalent in so many posts that irks me. That's the attitude our enemies wish to cultivate, if they can't get us to ignore things as most do. I understand your desire to see the space program privatized. That would work, if there were no government interference. However, with the requirements now faced by private industry, the same problems would erupt in terms of the personnel. As others have written, they space program is most likely suffering from the influx of non-whites. That is a fact.
The way I look at it, if the government is going to spend my money, spend it on the space program, on research, etc. Don't spend it on Head Start, missiles for Sharon, and WIC for wetbacks. Those are sinkholes, in every sense of the word.
2003-02-04 19:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roy Batty@Feb 4 2003, 13:24 ** The way I look at it, if the government is going to spend my money, spend it on the space program, on research, etc. Don't spend it on Head Start, missiles for Sharon, and WIC for wetbacks. Those are sinkholes, in every sense of the word. **
Well I can't argue with that. I only wanted to articulate the ultimate principle, even though I doubt we'll ever see the federalis reigned back in to their true, original constitutional parameters.
2003-02-04 19:34 | User Profile
They'll be reinged in when the system collapses. It will. I think it's unavoidable.
2003-02-04 20:23 | User Profile
Roy, good posts and I agree, although I do 'fess up that I'm one of the skeptical ones that think NASA needs to cut back drastically...at least for awhile. Of course I agree that the gov't wastes billions on social engineering, illegal alien health care and HUD and I'd rather see those things disappear immediately. However, billion dollar high school lab experiments conducted in space are quite useless when it takes you 2 hours to travel 10 miles on a daily basis, public transportation is completely ineffective and underfunded, and cancer cannot be better remedied than the false hope of chemotherapy. Some might claim that space is the White man's endeavor but obviously that's slipping away from us too with the influx of Asiatics. I dunno, jmo, but I always enjoy your posts Roy!
2003-02-04 23:10 | User Profile
The shuttle hasn't been a successful project when judged against its stated aims. It's main purpose is to service the ISS, which is a colossal white elephant whose cost has risen from $8billion in 1984 to over $50billion. State funding of space has certainly held space technology back - no-one wants to compete against jealous governments with all their tax extraction powers.
Here's what I'd do: Lease out the ISS to anyone who wants it and scrap the shuttle. It'll save billions. (Soyuz can take 3 at a time to ISS if anyone wants to go there). If governments want to do something in space, they should do real science, like building a telescope on the dark side of the moon or sending probes to the moons of the outer planets.
2003-02-05 00:32 | User Profile
Xmetalhead and Leveller, good points. Being in L.A., I can sympathize with Xmetalhead's observation on travel times. Leveller and Xmetalhead are also correct in pointing out what real science is, and how false hopes string things along - keeping the money train rolling on one of the elite's tracks.
2003-02-05 00:47 | User Profile
[url=http://www.rense.com/general34/ilanramonhero.htm]http://www.rense.com/general34/ilanramonhero.htm[/url]
Ilan Ramon (Far right, top row of photo) was a real-life hero, who perceived his mission as a symbol of peace for all humanity. Ilan was a bona fide hero for the whole Jewish world, and for the State of Israel.
We at the Israel Air Force family find it difficult to imagine our lives without him. Since the earliest days of his service in the IAF he devoted his life to defending the State of Israel. He was one of the eight angels who flew to Iraq to save the world from nuclear threat when he was only in his twenties, and he continued this long service, reaching the highest honor of becoming the first Israeli Astronaut.
In addition to so many other causes to which Ilan devoted himself and his energies, establishing the Israel Air Force Center was something that he fervently believed in, and worked towards. Ilan Ramon represented the vision and the belief of the Israel Air Force that we must always look towards the future. Ilan symbolized the ambition of the Force, and of the entire nation, to conduct the type of research which would benefit the entire world.
The research that we will conduct at the Institute of Strategic Air and Space Studies, located within the Israel Air Force Center, is intended to utilize the knowledge which has been gathered over the years, including the scientific experiments which Ilan Ramon conducted in space. The most significant expression that we can now give to Ilan's memory is to continue this research, and keep on training people like Ilan Ramon.
Ilan was sent to space to create our heritage. Because of the tragic circumstances, the legacy that he created is today accompanied by the pain and loss, but it is mixed with pride in his achievements during his all-too-short lifespan. We will dedicate this research and the studies at the Center to the legacy of Ilan Ramon, who was our pioneer in Space.
Ilan had taken with him into space a mezuzah that was to have been consecrated in a place of honor at the Israel Air Force Center. Now, instead, we will dedicate a special place of honor to his memory and to the legacy and heritage he left behind him for the future generations.
The memorial at the Israel Air Force Center will also pay tribute to the six courageous American astronauts who were IlanÃÂs colleagues on this Mission, emphasizing the very special bond and relationship between the American people, the State of Israel, and the Jewish nation.
Members of the Israel Air Force family and supporters of the Center from around the world will pass on IlanÃÂs legacy, and will cherish his memory throughout the generations. The support he gave to establishing the Israel Air Force Center will always be treasured. His memory, and his sacrifice, will not be in vain. We will ensure that he will continue to live forever in our hearts, and all future generations will study the story of Ilan Ramon, who was truly the embodiment of the State of Israel.
At this moment, our hearts reach out to his family, to his wife Rona and his four children. They will miss him, as will we all, but their pride in him and in his achievements will know no bounds. We know that Ilan was a man among men. Although the mission itself has ended with unbearable tragedy, nonetheless his involvement in it has given us an amazing sense of national pride.
The Israel Air Force family and the entire Jewish nation send their condolences and wish to express their profound grief at the tragic death of the six American Astronauts, Ilan Ramon's colleagues on this Mission and his friends. May their memories be blessed forever, Amen.
The Israel Air Force Foundation
2003-02-05 01:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by Robbie@Feb 5 2003, 00:47 **He was one of the eight angels who flew to Iraq to save the world from nuclear threat... **
Let me get this straight. The Israeli crew member who died in Columbia [America] over Palestine, Texas destroyed the nuclear reactor in Iraq, which is about to be occupied principally to serve the interests of partisans for Israel.
Anyone got any Rapture links?, I'm thinking of converting.
2003-02-05 05:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 3 2003, 19:06 Nice sig, wayland, and perfectly articulated by Malcom MacDowell, though I remember it as time is the fire in which we burn. **
And here I thought it was Shatner's Kirk who gave us this line from 'Star Trek Generations'. I think you're right, it was the evil Dr. Saron played by MacDowell, and it was delivered as you quoted it, not as my (old) sig read ;).
P.S. I just found out a few months ago that Shatner is Jewish. Should have known...
2003-02-05 06:13 | User Profile
....somebody calls you....you answer quiiiiite slowwww....leeee.... A GIRL!!.....with ka-leiiiiii-doscope eyyyyyes...
Oh what an album. To this day I can't fathom what the hell he was thinking there.
Mr.....Tambourine Man? MR TAMBOURINE MAAAAAAN!!!!
2003-02-05 07:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Feb 5 2003, 00:39 ** Any other questions? **
Didn't Nimoy, also jewish, write a similar book?
2003-02-05 09:10 | User Profile
[url=http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/05/CAMERA.TMP]San Francisco Chronicle: Mysterious purple streak is shown hitting Columbia 7 minutes before it disintegrated[/url]
2003-02-05 09:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 5 2003, 03:10 ** [url=http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/05/CAMERA.TMP]San Francisco Chronicle: Mysterious purple streak is shown hitting Columbia 7 minutes before it disintegrated[/url] **
Hmmm...San Francisco, purple streaks...Even more rich symbolism.
2003-02-05 14:20 | User Profile
Cartoon from Sundays paper. My main objection is that the star shown is too small doesnt sybolically dominate the flag like they actually do in real life.
[url=http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/luckovich/2003/spaceluckovich.html]http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/l...eluckovich.html[/url]
2003-02-05 18:53 | User Profile
[url=http://www.arutzsheva.org/news.php3?id=38462]Ilan Ramon's Body is Identified[/url]
NASA informed the Ramon family early this morning that remains of astronaut Col. Ilan Ramon had been found and identified with certainty. IDF Rabbi Lt.-Col Tzvi Black, in Houston for the purpose of taking part in the identification process, confirmed the findings. Ilan Ramon will be buried in Israel next week in a military ceremony, after which his family will observe the traditional seven-day mourning period. The Israel Air Force flag that Ramon took along with him to space was also found in its entirety, though slightly torn. U.S. President George Bush, who took part in the memorial ceremony for the seven astronauts yesterday, approached the Ramon family afterwards and told them [in paraphrasal], "Ilan blew up the Iraqi nuclear reactor [in 1981], and I will finish the job."
2003-02-06 01:15 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 5 2003, 13:53 ** The Israel Air Force flag that Ramon took along with him to space was also found in its entirety, though slightly torn. **
Huh?????????????????????? And I have a bridge.......
2003-02-06 02:26 | User Profile
**President George Bush, who took part in the memorial ceremony for the seven astronauts yesterday, approached the Ramon family afterwards and told them [in paraphrasal], "Ilan blew up the Iraqi nuclear reactor [in 1981], and I will finish the job." **
Though George II may not be known for his refinement, this is still a rather decisive statement to make, and one utterly inappropriate in the context of a memorial service. Paraphrased or not, it is nice to have it spelled out just where the Zhidish mind finds relief when faced with grief due to unrelated personal loss. Apart from cheek nibbling, our boy must have learned something of use during his Oprah visit for his choice of soothing comments is custom-made.
Elsewhere I note that the heretofore voice of reason and everyoneââ¬â¢s favourite house nig*er has been whipped into a more realistic way of thinking and (apparently) does the emperorââ¬â¢s bidding with newfound enthusiasm. I think weââ¬â¢re just about ready to go, non? :rolleyes:
2003-02-06 03:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Feb 4 2003, 19:17 ** As I stated previously, if men want to explore space and such that is great and more power to them. But they need to do it on their own nickel. There's quite simply no moral justification, nor constitutional support, for the federal robber-barons to steal money out of my pocket to spend on the space program or any other social program or foreign-aid you wisely criticize.
**
Just wondering... did the government have any legitimacy sponsoring Lewis and Clark?
I see space as the future... but I can't really be accused of being objective on this issue.
2003-02-06 04:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Feb 6 2003, 01:15 ** > Originally posted by Centinel@Feb 5 2003, 13:53 ** The Israel Air Force flag that Ramon took along with him to space was also found in its entirety, though slightly torn. **
Huh?????????????????????? And I have a bridge....... **
Must've been treated with the same miraculous preservative applied to Mohammed Atta's passport......
2003-02-07 00:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by Sisyfos@Feb 5 2003, 20:26 ** "Ilan blew up the Iraqi nuclear reactor [in 1981], and I will finish the job." [/QUOTE]
Though George II may not be known for his refinement, this is still a rather decisive statement to make, and one utterly inappropriate in the context of a memorial service. **
The only lie Jorge told was the notion that "HE" will finish the job. Jorge won't do any of the dirty work. He will be in the White House, playing with the dog and taking orders from his masters.
Like I always say, the President should be on-site for wars. Maybe then he'd think twice about his actions. Vietnam sure's hell would've been avoided if LBJ had to show up.
-Jay
2003-02-07 07:02 | User Profile
Back to the space shuttle.
NASA has pretty much ruled out the foam-breaks-tile theory. Foxnews reported two new theories as to why Columbia exploded:
1) An explosive device onboard the shuttle accidentally went off. 2) The tiles in question were damaged by [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2732711.stm]space debris[/url].
Which brings up two questions: Has NASA halted its policy of routing around space debris? And exactly what explosive devices are standard equipment on space shuttles?
2003-02-07 20:02 | User Profile
I believe one of Col. Ramon's tasks was to photograph "sprites" and "elves" while in orbit [url=http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-54/iss-11/p41.html]http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-54/iss-11/p41.html[/url]. These are atmospheric electrical anomalies associated with thunderstorms. Perhaps an electrostatic experiment was conducted during shuttle re-entry and this had something to do with the purple flashes videotaped by that astronomer in San Francisco.
2003-02-07 20:39 | User Profile
Fox news reports that Dave Brown photographed the sprites and elves:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77281,00.html]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77281,00.html[/url]
Astronaut Dave Brown photographs sprites, which are red flashes of electricity shooting up from thunderclouds 13 miles into the ionosphere, and elves, which are glowing red doughnut shapes radiating 190 miles.<<
A Somali ezine reports that Col. Ramon assembled the experiment:
[url=http://www.somaliweyn.com/pages/news/February03/1feb6.htm]http://www.somaliweyn.com/pages/news/Febru...ary03/1feb6.htm[/url]
Ramon had put together a high-tech project to observe a dust plume over the Mediterranean, and then used a camera to snap rare photographs of lightning phenomena known as "sprites" and "elves." In a news conference from orbit on Wednesday, payload commander Michael P. Anderson declared that "the science we're doing here is great and fantastic."<<
The following contains information about the Mediterranean Israeli Dust Experiment:
[url=http://tinyurl.com/5i9c]http://tinyurl.com/5i9c[/url]