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Thread ID: 4729 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2003-01-23
2003-01-23 05:33 | User Profile
Well put Wintermute...
At least I eat steak, and admit it...Hmmm... and don't covertly dine upon Hindus... 'Pim-wheel' can't even spell 'crystal' ... ha-ha... Pim... or it was on purpose...
Here's the real joke... the central belief that the G-d, the unnameable one spoke at Sinai... to the jews... is one of the most simultaneously ridiculous & chauvanistic beliefs in any belief system, religious or secular, on the planet, today, or ever... by comparison, Rasham-Rashambo's "chrystal clear Objects..." & sacred Cows... seem very clear, and sacred, indeed... even if the latter is better off in my tummy...
But paradoxically I will say this (at the risk of confusing such apparent simpletons as rban either is, or feigns being) and so, my seeming to him the hypocrite?, I still subscribe to That chauvanistic Judaic belief... simply because it's very difficult to 'outDo' it... with crystal clear Objects... or 'cHrists', etc. etc. ... or even with whiteSupremacists... yadah, yadah, yadah, ... and to be honest, then over time, I start to wonder myself... well, maybe the unnameable one... did speak, his very ownSelf, at Sinai... ? To be honest, I really don't know...
Fortunately though, my rabbi does, and it's very relaxing for me to follow him, and you have to follow before one can lead... and so I prefer to follow... (needless to say I'm apparently not a whiteSupremacist...) In other words I agree with Goethe: "Gray are all the theories, but green is the tree of life..." & yadah, yadah, yadah... And I agree also most of the time with Wintermute... it seems to me to be all one, isn't it, and then it's only as Wintermute knows, a question of appropriate emphasis, and timing...
Wintermute's a good one to follow too... if he don't try to give you the slip?
2003-01-23 17:40 | User Profile
I don't read this site enough apparently, since I don't even know who Assman is?
You can't name the unnameable...that's Actual... however we're little mices... marsupials... so we got's to boss, give the unnameable a name... and have leaders etc.
Metaphorically, I like the story of Sinai... knowing I don't Know if it's Actual or not... that's Why & How "faith" is and exists... However it may inDeed be too chauvanistic a belief 'to get away with' Holding, whether consciously and/or unconsciously... for too terribly much longer? It's a 'belief' I still hold...although with Reservations... because not being Oriental enough, I'm certainly not going to replace it with the Tao... the so-called eternal or the overly-metaphysical... leaves folks especially including the Orientals, too wild, atavistic etc. Even the Greeks or especially the Greeks with their own regimen over time...endedUp going through more of a chastening...and therefore civilizing, from the inside out process...than the Orientals per se, have ever experienced... (no?)
Infinity or the knowable 'eternal' we already Know has little or nothing much on a daily basis to do with the closed set, the little or very LARGE, (depending on one's perspective) blue bubble known as Our planet Earth...
Thus, that's where Nietzsche was Off... or 'wrong'... IF there's a divinity or mystery of mysteries... he's very much interested in what we call the 'moral'... that's Why the Context of planet Earth itself, is closed; it NEVER gets larger or smaller... so as (perhaps) to See if we learn anything meaningful in terms of getting along... growing Up, being, when possible things like "Fair" etc. etc.
Usually, it's not even Possible, to be "Fair" either... so therefore it's like the divine is reiterating it's a world of inches... and to learn we also must strain out gnats...or swallow camels, things that to sensibilities not even trying, may seem unnecessary...while at the same time striving to see where one can and therefore MUST be something like "Fair"... and so on...
I've got to go to Actual work... ta-ta...
2003-01-23 20:07 | User Profile
Originally posted by George@Jan 23 2003, 11:40 ** don't Know if it's Actual or not... that's Why & How "faith" is and exists... However it may inDeed be too chauvanistic a belief 'to get away with' Holding, whether consciously and/or unconsciously... for too terribly much longer? It's a 'belief' I still hold...although with Reservations... because not being Oriental enough, I'm certainly not going to replace it with the Tao... the so-called eternal or the overly-metaphysical... leaves folks especially including the Orientals, too wild, atavistic etc... **
George, as off beat as it may seem to some, are you sure some of what you ascribe to "Orientals" isn't due to concious/unconcious cognitive functioning due to genetics in terms of brain development? I don't mean that in negative fashion either. Think about it. I know some people cast off ideas like this as ludicrous, but at the same time they believe that blacks and mestizos are so dull because of ... genetics, the environment their ancestors lived in. In other words, fruit falls off the trees, lots of animals around, no reason to develop much in the area of critical thinking. Maybe certain areas of critical thinking, tastes might be a way some would term it, things that make sense in a metaphysical way, etc., are determined somewhat by same. Just curious enough to get your take on it. See if you can cut down on the ellipses. I like Tom Wolfe, but I think he kicked off that trend in the 60's, although not using them near as much as those that picked it up, and the style spread like a virus. While Wolfe dropped it.
Rban, while I'm one of those that thinks you're trolling here to get a few laughs most of the time, I do find it funny that you are wondering what WN's are going to do for Hindus. Shouldn't these "aryan" geniuses from India be solving their own problems? Applying their advanced knowledge, their perfected philosophies toward fixing their problems in their own homeland? Maybe we should be asking what they are going to do for us? We know. Nothing. It's ok to worry about your own unless you are a white male.
2003-01-24 05:23 | User Profile
Hard to blame rban, for wanting to increase the species or specimens in his menagerie in the west... since he's had so far such tremendous great good fortune, in administering first and foremost, the white population (inclusive of of course the very wealthiest goyim)... it sounds like you folks are jealous... why wouldn't he want to increase the variety-?-variety is a spice of life...
Aren't you'all really rather, a bit jealous... since when you'all do same it's rather violent and kind of crude, and folks don't like You? Like I've always also said, I kind of like rban...
Now let me address, in response... the "runner":
"George, as off beat as it may seem to some, are you sure some of what you ascribe to "Orientals" isn't due to concious/unconcious cognitive functioning due to genetics in terms of brain development? I don't mean that in negative fashion either. Think about it. I know some people cast off ideas like this as ludicrous, but at the same time they believe that blacks and mestizos are so dull because of ... genetics, the environment their ancestors lived in. In other words, fruit falls off the trees, lots of animals around, no reason to develop much in the area of critical thinking. Maybe certain areas of critical thinking, tastes might be a way some would term it, things that make sense in a metaphysical way, etc., are determined somewhat by same. Just curious enough to get your take on it. See if you can cut down on the ellipses. I like Tom Wolfe, but I think he kicked off that trend in the 60's, although not using them near as much as those that picked it up, and the style spread like a virus. While Wolfe dropped it." -Roger... ... I "roger" that? I don't know what for sure, he's yammering about?
I think I agree... probably for the first time in his life, he has a little style... since mimicking me? (or Tom Wolfe?) Although he does that horribly? ... What I meant, is the Greeks were exemplary, and so were the Jews... in terms of what long ago were the paces, for one reason or another, "chance" to some extent... had them go through as peoples, civilizing themselves, from the inside Out... and I was saying, no peoples (yet) including Orientals... have gone through that, or their equivalent regimens... NO it's not exclusively environmental and subsequently genetic... it's very much that... and also the element of chance... period... (i.e. under G-d... needless to say...)
QUESTIONS, Roger-?- ... No? Ok... go take a few laps...
2003-01-25 03:59 | User Profile
George, while what you say about the Greeks may be true, you give the jews too much credit when it comes to "civilizing themselves". Being a rather acquisitve bunch, imitation as a prelude to infiltration is more their achievement, wouldn't you say? There is a notable lack of any created civilization from that tribe, as bright as they are. On the Orientals, it's the old nature vs. nurture argument that can be applied to so many elements.
Nope, no questions. I'd reckon you need the laps more than myself. If you aren't aware of the ellipsis tendency you exhibit - of course you are - I would be saying that you don't have any self editing involved in your posts. Maybe it's a matter of having a filter. I guess it's a way to give the image of free flowing stream of conciousness to your posts. Or unconciousness.
Il Ragno, nice one from Mr. Pearson. You tend to see that here and there in S. Cal. The government only wants you if promise to be a burden to the White man in some fashion.
2003-01-25 05:21 | User Profile
THANKS ROGER... YOU'RE LIKE ME IN A WAY... THUS NOW I RESPECT YOU... LET'S DEAL WITH THIS:
You wrote: "There is a notable lack of any created civilization from that tribe, as bright as they are. "
NO... they're creating your life... as great as your capital of passion is because of it's elevation (somehow), theirs, i.e. your Jews... (somehow) is greater... I could go on and "explain" and bore you... but I prefer to leave it at that... reality speaks for itslef... it's kind of why I like, the silly irascible rban, and on some levels you do too... I will CRUSH him, he knows, if he goes too far... See? That doesn't mean you, apparently, my friend, shouldn't of course be exactly Who you are...
VONDErBAR!
Imperfect, is perfect....just like sadly & happily with that stupid, prick, rban.... yuk, sometimes I could puke, imperfect is perfect... it's all a struggle... Sadly & happily I VOTE for, as you know by now... BOTH...
FIGHT? it's kind of now after the Fact... you know? Like looking for all of these weapons in Iraq... which we know are there, we haven't found them, since ten feet under ground... Oil is a sunset biz... it's not really about oil... ROGER you tell me, what should we Do???
2003-01-26 03:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by George@Jan 24 2003, 23:21 **THANKS ROGER... YOU'RE LIKE ME IN A WAY... THUS NOW I RESPECT YOU... LET'S DEAL WITH THIS:
You wrote: "There is a notable lack of any created civilization from that tribe, as bright as they are. "
NO... they're creating your life... as great as your capital of passion is because of it's elevation (somehow), theirs, i.e. your Jews... (somehow) is greater... I could go on and "explain" and bore you... but I prefer to leave it at that... reality speaks for itslef... it's kind of why I like, the silly irascible rban, and on some levels you do too... I will CRUSH him, he knows, if he goes too far... See? That doesn't mean you, apparently, my friend, shouldn't of course be exactly Who you are...
VONDErBAR!
Imperfect, is perfect....just like sadly & happily with that stupid, prick, rban.... yuk, sometimes I could puke, imperfect is perfect... it's all a struggle... Sadly & happily I VOTE for, as you know by now... BOTH...
FIGHT? it's kind of now after the Fact... you know? Like looking for all of these weapons in Iraq... which we know are there, we haven't found them, since ten feet under ground... Oil is a sunset biz... it's not really about oil... ROGER you tell me, what should we Do???**
I think they're ruining my life in a way, not creating it, but I get your drift. Still, without a populace to "visit", nothing in the way of civilization has been created by this bunch. Sorry. Their group "passion" may be greater than that of Whites as a whole - can't really go by individuals, you see, but some of that is due to the ability to inculcate the feeling of constant threat and wariness amongst their own. Something lacking in Whites at the moment, but not lacking in the Greeks in their heyday, wouldn't you say?
Iraq is the old tragedy/comedy story turned inside out. The outcome was decided quite a ways back, I'd reckon. Ten feet underground? Kee-rist, it doesn't matter whether there are weapons or not. Take a look at the large bird N. Korea is flipping Bush and the rest of the NWO/ZOG alliance. The Koreans get a lot of rhetoric with some sabre rattling for show, and nothing else. They look down on Bush and bunch in worse fashion than we do. So, what do we do? That's a whole new thread. A lot of us know what we SHOULD do. The problem is we aren't the ones that are going to dictate this. It's what THEY are going to do, George. And they don't give a rat's ass about the opinions on this forum, do they? But they will.
There are bigger things afoot than what many think the "jews" are cooking up. They're just an element George. By jews I mean the BIG jews. Not the deli owner down the street or the podiatrist in the strip mall. It's the big ones. Those gentlemen are a big part of it, but just part of it. Maybe they got the ball rolling a ways back, but they are just part of an alliance that has developed aspirations that when realized certainly don't include people like most of those that post here.
I guess rban gets under your skin in a fashion. Some of his stuff makes me laugh, to this day I'm not sure I take much of it seriously.
2003-01-27 18:57 | User Profile
I like reading... I gave up thinking (temporarily) unless I'm writing, like now... and as for ACTION... of those 3 capacities: it's sadly & happily... (if you choose one, or had to) more important.
That's why the good news is, we're creatures of habit, and the bad news is, we're creatures of habit...
As for wintermute's all important question, what's the 'action plan'... and is why I'd prefer to follow that scholar, and BRILLIANT gentleman... why do I get saddled with these questions-?-I'll simply offer this, an opinion...
Adjust Christianity... all roads (YET) lead to Rome, sadly & happily, not (YET... if ever-?-to Jerusalem)... A part of me is glad rban is surprised... he's a little bit liked... His CAPITAL of passion... doesn't yet equal the almighty, or unnameable one's in my opinion... I suspect even he, would submit to that realization... None of us even in aggregate, (as important as groups are... Leveller is never tired of pointing out), equals that which is the totality, not to mention... perhaps, who knows, not me, more?
If that very question baffled Aristotle, (even though he posited his answer to the Unknowable), and modern Science, and all the rabbis combined in the world... on that score UNKNOWABLE seems good enough for me... doesn't even the unknowable one, deserve a little privacy?
How about simply in evolution all of the good freedoms of the West... INCLUSIVE of privacy, private property... and a KEEP OUT ... sign? Or in lieu of man's best friend, a BEWARE OF GEORGE sign?
2003-01-31 08:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Jan 31 2003, 08:14 ** > ** By jews I mean the BIG jews. Not the deli owner down the street or the podiatrist in the strip mall. It's the big ones.**
BIG Jews.
I know what you mean.
Why, Yale's Harold Bloom has to be at least 350 lbs. It's pretty clear, also, that Andrea Dworkin is never going to be a runway model. And don't get me started about Zero Mostel. But when discussing Jews of this girth, there's just no getting around Jerry Nadler.
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The problem is definitely not those strip mall podiatrists. It's all that fast food.
**How about simply in evolution all of the good freedoms of the West... INCLUSIVE of privacy, private property... and a KEEP OUT ... sign? Or in lieu of man's best friend, a BEWARE OF GEORGE sign? **
Well, now that you've given us an action plan, I think we should implement it is soon as possible. I am very empirical in these matters.
Tex, could we change the forum motto to "Beware of George" next week? George thinks it might help.
He's already talking to God on our behalf about censorship, so it's the least we can do.
Thanks,
Wintermute **
I'm a big Jew... sadly... it means intellectually, perhaps as a matter of the heart... or spirit...(I don't claim yet to be one financially, much I would like to be, I'm not a hyporcirte about that,) but here's what I need to tell you in academia.... I RESPECT you... more than this society, sadly allows you to be respected... and you're "right on" BUT... no. Here's a joke, explains it... no one understands you, why should they, you don't mean anything to them.
2003-01-31 10:24 | User Profile
George, what is it with your pathological need to 'quote' entire posts directly below the original, followed by a two-sentence comment?
2003-02-01 07:15 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Jan 31 2003, 10:24 ** George, what is it with your pathological need to 'quote' entire posts directly below the original, followed by a two-sentence comment? **
Il rag-On... what is your need so, to dog me... and pretend you're not on the rag? I hear you. And, so far, I don't like you...
P.S. wintermute's correct, as usual... so, il ragOn, not withstanding I better extrapolate... I'm someone who doesn't 'think' he Can speak to G-d in anyone's behalf, let alone, wintermute's & company... which means I can only speak; who knows where it goes; or what comes back... I'm sane, I don't know...
To answer Walter Yannis (not that he was serious, although in cyber, who knows?) no, I'm NOT George Bush. But I agree with Sam Francis & wintermute & Harper's Magazine... when I take their point of View... and since it IS a legitimate point of view... It MAY Indeed be accurate... Again I'm not G-d, nor to my knowledge on any 'special' relationship with him or her... so ANYONE'S guess is as GOOD as mine...
Not everyone, Can love... I can... that's why I love these people, whatever their civilized perspective Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Gentile however we wish to label ourselves etc.... & I love FREEEDOM... under G-d... He...(or She) even provided for FREEDOM...
I always agree with wintermute, it seems... he's made of that Earth which patches a winter's flaw...
2003-02-01 11:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by George@Feb 1 2003, 01:15 **Again I'm not G-d, nor to my knowledge on any 'special' relationship with him or her... so ANYONE'S guess is as GOOD as mine... **
George, I am so disappointed
Not everyone, Can love... I can... that's why I love these people, whatever their civilized perspective Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Gentile however we wish to label ourselves etc.... & I love FREEEDOM... under G-d... He...(or She) even provided for FREEDOM...
There you go George. I see that you still are relying on the "Higher Power" of LOOOVE.
I always agree with wintermute, it seems... he's made of that Earth which patches a winter's flaw...
So are you trying to hint that Wintermute is God? Is that why he can understand what you are saying?
George, a man cannot serve two masters. Its either LOOOVE or Wintermute.
2003-02-01 16:02 | User Profile
**QUOTE (il ragno @ Jan 31 2003, 10:24 ) George, what is it with your pathological need to 'quote' entire posts directly below the original, followed by a two-sentence comment?
Il rag-On... what is your need so, to dog me... and pretend you're not on the rag? I hear you. And, so far, I don't like you...
P.S. wintermute's correct, as usual... so, il ragOn, not withstanding I better extrapolate... I'm someone who doesn't 'think' he Can speak to G-d in anyone's behalf, let alone, wintermute's & company... which means I can only speak; who knows where it goes; or what comes back... I'm sane, I don't know...
To answer Walter Yannis (not that he was serious, although in cyber, who knows?) no, I'm NOT George Bush. But I agree with Sam Francis & wintermute & Harper's Magazine... when I take their point of View... and since it IS a legitimate point of view... It MAY Indeed be accurate... Again I'm not G-d, nor to my knowledge on any 'special' relationship with him or her... so ANYONE'S guess is as GOOD as mine...
Not everyone, Can love... I can... that's why I love these people, whatever their civilized perspective Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Gentile however we wish to label ourselves etc.... & I love FREEEDOM... under G-d... He...(or She) even provided for FREEDOM...
I always agree with wintermute, it seems... he's made of that Earth which patches a winter's flaw... **
Annoying - isn't it?
2003-02-01 18:50 | User Profile
rban: Wow. People on this forum LIKE me. Now there's an unexpected result. Now, be careful with all that power, eh?! :D
2003-02-08 21:48 | User Profile
Oh no, "Brother Love" (ironically completely misunderstanding it) came out of the woodwork. Sertorius shoot me. I suspect somehow he's been separated [Brother Loove that is from his rabbi... (become what they call a 'christian' & gone crackers)]... at least rban & avalanche in their unfortunate separation remained secular... I keep tellin' jewish folks christianity was only meant for gentiles, but some don't listen... maybe it is better than their becoming 'seculars', I don't know. I don't know much, according to sweet 'avalanche' there's no substance here... she says... She would know, she's got that extra hole in the middle. I respect that somehow. It might be a home for me.