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Dan Dare [OP]

2003-02-01 06:11 | User Profile

Avalanche

Please tell me how to awaken ladies.

I do mean awaken and not arouse.

Thanks in advance!

PS is that Princess Caroline in your avatar?

Avalanche

2003-02-01 16:51 | User Profile

** P.S. is that Princess Caroline in your avatar?** Well Eric Von Z. thinks it's Simone Signoret... but it's me when I was 15 or so... MANY years ago!)

Please tell me how to awaken ladies. hhmmm, well, this is a big subject. Can I assume you're slogged through my previous couple of threads: Men vs. Women and Advice for Bachelors?

** Introduction to the Awakening Process ** I highly recommend Dr. Patricia Allen's book Getting To 'I Do', which gives a really... unusual (for "modern Americans'')... description of how a relationship SHOULD be. I think to awaken a woman, you must first be an awakened man! I will try to entice NeoNeitzsche to add to this thread -- HE, of course, would have a much better idea since he's actually DONE it!

I’ll answer this over several messages, I’m trying to work out an order and organization to what seems, at the moment, to be an entire systemic whole.

At first blush, it seems I’d break it up thusly. We’ll see if that holds as I fill in the holes. [list][]Trust * self-control []A start on truth []Kindness and cherishing of her feelings []Further truth [*]Helping her manage the integration [/list]

Avalanche

2003-02-01 17:41 | User Profile

**Lesson One: Trust ** ( :D despite dark eddy's seeming belief that trust is NOT the foundation.)

I think most modern women are 'caught up' in making their way in the world: they've been filled with to overflowing with feminist propaganda... Awakening them takes HUGE reservoirs of patience, and self-control... You must be able to control your OWN anger and frustration at her misperceptions and arguments, because releasing it AT her, will destroy any progress you’ve already made. Throughout the deprogramming, you must remain safe and trustworthy in her eyes or you’ll lose all the ground you’ve covered... (My family ‘elected’ NeoNietzsche “Saint ‘NeoNietzsche’ of Atlanta,” and on his medal it says: “Patience Tolerance Forbearance,” for being able to put up with me and retain his calm deliberative manner of exposition and education! They ALSO, of course, think he’s a Nazi with horrid beliefs, but also a really nice guy.

I’m assuming you’re awakening your OWN woman, not just whatever woman is around? Educating ‘women friends’ is a much lower-level (and less successful) version of this, because you must tread even more delicately – friends don’t have the emotional investment in solving the cognitive dissonance between your ‘horrid beliefs’ and their love for you as a good man. (Yes, I’ve lost friends over exposing my own horrid beliefs.)

So, there must first be sincere and deep trust -- that you are an honorable man; I think, MOST women value honor, without actually understanding the breadth and depth of things that honor comprises. There were times, in my ‘education,’ when I sat at the dining room table in TEARS because the things Neo was telling me were SO painful! (HOW could Hitler be ANYthing other than evil?!) But because I trusted him (and loved him) I couldn't resolve my cognitive dissonance by throwing NeoNietzsche off as stupid and evil too.

Let me add: BEFORE I came across the country to meet Neo face-to-face, he made SURE I understood that he stood on ground I would surely think was evil. He didn’t start out with “yes, I once marched in a Nazi uniform to hand out literature,” which would have created an unbearable dissonance in my brainwashed little brain... He DID lead me to understand that he did NOT support liberal or even many feminist ideas... but he didn’t slam them, or me for holding them... He merely suggested that there were things (and esp. ramifications/results) I wasn’t considering in my worldview, and led me (gently ) to try to answer questions that called into question all my comfortable knowledge.

As we came closer to me actually coming to MEET him (to this point, there were only emails and phone calls), he began to expose himself a little more to me. He was insistent that I needed to have a clear view of who he was and what he thought before meeting him, so I wouldn’t think later he had lied to me. [list][]He wrote: In telling you about myself, as you have done for me, I seriously risk offending you []I wrote: {surprised} Really? in what way? []He wrote: I believe, from what you've told me about yourself, that you would find that there is what you would think of as a "dark" side to my putative virtues. And I do not mean to be alluringly or teasingly mysterious in so saying. I mean that you would think me horrifying and repellant, not some romantic "bad boy." {Don't worry -- I'm not some sort of radical sexual deviant.} What worries me is the political/cultural gulf between us, about the width of which I'm not quite certain. [] I answered: OH! HORRORS! I suppose this means you're a REPUBLICAN!?!?! (well, you could be worse things, although, off the top of my head, I can't think of any...tee hee hee!) [*]He answered: Much, much worse -- I'm a Nietzschean anti-modernist! (I'm counting on your not knowing what that is so that you'll keep talking to me.)[/list] In our phone conversations, he expanded on this, carefully, over time, until I was led to ask: “well okay, I’m assuming you were a militia member or neo-nazi or something, right?” And because he was able to truthfully say that he HAD been these things, but had gone beyond because of their shortcomings and lack of comprehensive systemic understanding, he was no longer ‘active.’ I could thereby assuage my negative feelings about that (remember, I was still quite brainwashed) and feel okay about him because he had done those things when he was younger, but now was ‘better’ than that. :D

I think it is important, in dealing with your woman that you keep a balance between exposing the depth of your ‘disaffection’ for our society (and its propaganda) and your presentation of yourself as trustworthy. Don’t forget, you must FIRST be someone honorable and trustworthy for her to consider falling in love with. Once you’ve proven yourself to be honorable and safe – and interested in cherishing HER feelings before your own – then you can start gently waking her. (But, of course, knowing the truth and being trustworthy are only in conflict in her brainwashed mind. You must ‘manage’ the dissonance: always show yourself to be trustworthy and cherishing of her feelings, even while you are, intentionally, hurting her feelings yourself. You are NOT arguing her out of her feelings, you are leading her to reconsider the ‘truths’ she has at the base of her feelings. Her feelings ARE legitimate, (as were mine, when I was crying in the dining room!), but they are enlisted in a false pain.

(Neo had a real internal struggle, because he REALLY hated making me face things that hurt me (and thus, hurting me), and he repeatedly offered to leave me asleep, because HE was unhappy to be hurting me (expose your conflict to your woman, she will be touched, and it will help steady her...), but (as a feminine woman) I wanted more than anything to be what he wanted me to be, to know what he wanted me to know.

**Pat Allen:  The male energy is the giving, initiating, leading, active partner, who elicits surrender, receptivity, and bonding from his partner.  When the masculine energy gives, protects, and cherishes, he is penetrating the other’s defenses to surrender to the pleasure of the relationship.

A masculine man is a natural developer of anything that he sees, and that includes a piece of land or a woman. With a woman he thinks, She’s going to be so great if we just do this or that, and I’ll show her how.

Therefore, one of the most important qualities your masculine man will look for from you is joyous receptivity.  By this I mean that not only will he expect you to receive gifts with joy, but also things that don’t feel too good, such as how-to-do-it messages. A man does not want to fight tooth and nail to get a thought into your thick skull. He wants you to be receptive to his opinions, suggestions, and plans.**

If, on the other hand, you were unawakened yourself when the two of you got together, you can start from the point of: “I’ve discovered these things, and I want to share them with you, recognizing that they will make you uncomfortable; but despite making you uncomfortable, it is appropriate that you follow my lead into this material and learn for yourself if it is true.” (Pat Allen stresses that a woman should NOT acquiesce to anything illegal or immoral her man wants of her – however, you are trying to teach her to differentiate between ‘socially immoral’ and the truth.)

And, always, the key to how much, how fast MUST be her feelings. Cherishing her feelings means being (always) aware that what you are teaching her is PAINFUL! And you must deal with and sooth that pain, and make clear to her (very gently) that you are only causing her pain because you need her to become aware of what you want her to be aware of. And that you sincerely regret causing her pain, and you are avoiding it as much as possible, but she has some misperceptions of the world and of you that you must correct.

NeoNeitzsche always rolls his eyes when I suggest trying to teach others all that he has learned... He poinits out that it took two years of daily contact for him to awaken me, and I was ready!

Texas Dissident

2003-02-01 18:20 | User Profile

Originally posted by Dan Dare@Feb 1 2003, 00:11 **Please tell me how to awaken ladies. **

Eddie Rabbitt says:

First step, ask her out and treat her like a lady.

Second step, tell her she's the one you're dreaming of.

Third step, take her in your arms and never let her go.

Don't you know? Step by step - you'll win her love.

Avalanche

2003-02-01 18:34 | User Profile

(Remember: all these folks I quote are talking about “general intersex communication” and not specifically about awakening a woman to race and alien control, but their advice is wonderfully specific to that task!)

** Lesson two: Self-Control, part one: The Absolute Key!**

Because what you are going to be discussing and presenting is tremendously uncomfortable and upsetting and angering and “evil” – your woman is GOING to be upset. She may even accuse you of being a Nazi and a bad person... YOU, more than anything, MUST maintain your composure! For her to feel safe, she must be able to rely 100% on your ability to cherish HER feelings before your own.!

(John Gray (the Men from Mars/Women from Venus guy) suggest what he calls “Duck and Dodge” – recognize that the woman is NOT challenging you or saying you’re wrong – she is expressing out loud, (just as feminine women ALWAYS do), HER discomfort, HER inability to stay grounded and calm. Let me recommend his book, What your Mother Couldn’t Tell You & Your Father Didn’t Know; esp. chapter 5 “Masculine Skills for Listening without Getting Upset.”

**Ducking and Dodging require new mental strategies for correctly interpreting the situation.  Instead of reaction to blame and criticism, a man learns to hear the correct loving message in her words, and responds in a ways that diminish friction and conflict.  Ducking and dodging all a man to keep his cool and respond respectfully to a woman’s need to communicate.

When he listens to a woman without ducking and dodging, he will be repeatedly assaulted by her words, and begin to feel blamed, criticized, unacknowledged, misunderstood, rejected, mistrusted, or unappreciated.  No matter how much he loves her, after about three direct hits, he will no longer be capable of listening to her in a supportive way. War breaks out.

When a man is struck by a woman’s words, it is much harder to restrain his ancient warrior instincts to intimidate, threaten, or retaliate. Once these defensive responses are triggered, he will either attempt to change her mind through arguing, or protect her from his own aggressive reactions by emotionally withdrawing.  However, through advanced relationship skills of listening without getting struck, he can easily sidestep provocative  reactions.” ** Don’t forget, unlike you men, (most) WOMEN work through their negative feelings out loud! That’s what all that chattering is when women get together... they are working through their feelings. Today’s world often prevents women from getting together AS women to work out their feelings, and often, men are now drafted to deal with that!!

Neo often (charmingly, albeit a little exasperatingly -- or is that exasperatedly?!) teases me about “still having words left over.” That’s from the seemingly right theory that a woman has about 10,000 words a day, and men have about 4,000 (sigh -- Neo has only about 2,000....) – so when a man has ‘used up’ his daily allotment, the woman still has THOUSANDS left! So we joke about me getting to ‘use up’ some of my words chatting with the grocery clerk, or the waiter. (Women readers: Is that patronizing? Only if one finds the TRUTH uncomfortable. :D )

**More John Gray:  Women generally feel that if a man loves them, he will want to listen to their feelings.  A man doesn’t feel this way, because sharing feelings is not as important to him, and traditionally, women didn’t want to share their feelings with men.  When a man loves a woman, it doesn’t mean that he will be motivated to initiate conversations, nor will it be any easier to for him to listen.

It actually works the other way around. The more a man cares, if he hasn’t learned how to duck and dodge it hurts more when he gets hit.  When she is unhappy, it’s much harder for him to listen without feeling blamed. It is harder because the more he loves her, the more he feels like a failure when she is not feeling loved and supported.**

**Pat Allen says: Feminine women literally gush their painful feeling verbally, and they need to know that all those painful feelings will be accepted, even if not approved of, by their men.  Masculine-energy men like to nurture their loved ones. Their own internal feminine aspect wishes to empathize and share.  They are not “macho men” out of touch with their feelings and unwilling to be open to another’s pain.  Instead, a masculine man is confident that he can cherish his woman until a solution can be found.  He does not run from her pain, nor does he expect her to handle it alone.

The problem is that sometimes your testosterone-based , level-headed masculine man will be annoyed with you at just the time you need his  cherishing , because you’re not as logical as he expects you to bo.  Often, the assumed-to-be “logical” words you are screaming at the top of your lungs are meaningless, and what you are really saying is “I’m scared. I feel jealous. I feel sad. I feel confused.” This often results in conflict and argument, which can lead yo the destruction of the relationship.

But what if your man doesn’t even say a word at a time like that but just hug you, even though you are hostile. Then you and he can achieve communication. He has cherished your feelings, and you can relax and reconnect with your “smart” self and talk rationally.  For a masculine man to say, “Honey, I hear your pain, but I haven’t got a clear idea of what you’re in pain about. Can you talk more about it?” is heaven on earth for a feminine woman.**

more next...

Avalanche

2003-02-01 18:38 | User Profile

Lesson two: Self-Control, part two: The Absolute Key!

Pat Allen also says: In every verbal communication in an intimate relationship, there must be one respected leader and one cherished follower. The respected leader days, “I think and I want” and also asks “How do you feel?” and then listens.  The “female” listens to the thinking and wanting of the “male,” shares positive and negative feelings and says yes or no. Men who know what they want will not get rejected as often as men who don’t, whose ambivalence makes them appear weak and indecisive.  Feminine men turn off to men who do not act like respectable leaders. You must stay ‘grounded’ yourself in the position of you are telling her what you want and what you think, and allowing HER to have and express her feelings –WITHOUT returning your feelings! Your ‘job,’ if you will, is to remain focused on HER feelings, no matter how they make you feel. YOUR feelings are not germane to this process, except in terms of you controlling them! HER feelings and your facts must be the respective grounds. If you give vent to your feelings, you become the feminine ‘partner’ in this discussion, and she feels unsafe because you are asking her to cherish YOUR feelings above hers. You must want her to “cherish” (that is, respect) your THOUGHTS above hers, not your feelings.

Is that hard? You betcha! Esp. for men raised in our feminized society, where “anything goes, let it all hang out” has resulted in men “feeling” that their feelings should count just as much as women’s do. This is where the men are separated from the boys and women! Your mission (should you decide to accept it) is to lead your woman into understanding that she should and even may want to follow your leadership!

That comes as the.. brainwashing... is undone. I was a particularly “machisma”-filled woman. I was good at giving orders, drafting plans, presenting unpleasant truths :rolleyes: , making decisions while others hesitated (I have always felt, and still feel, it’s better to decide and do, than flail and wait... easier to get forgiveness than permission, eh?!) (I have also defended myself with ‘well, if they think I’m trying to ‘rule’ them, they can only BE ruled if they follow my rules!). It was a struggle to... set it down... and relax into trusting Neo. (esp, cause my upbringing in “jew york” led to me trying to fix and teach everyone everything...). He used to gently and sardonically point out that he hadn’t reached nearly 50 years of age without having learned to care for himself (again, controlling HIMSELF, even when he was pissed at my controlling behaviours!) I was absolutely a pain in the ass! But rather than slapping me down for it, he would lead me to consider whether it was an appropriate way to deal with him. And because I wanted to become what he wanted me to be (an awakened, feminine woman), I learned to relax and trust him to take care of me and everything else. I have absolute input and prospective veto power – but HE sets the path!

So, I could work to relax and trust that there MUST be something of great value to be had in allowing Neo to hurt my feelings, by exposing me to the painful truth. I KNEW he would never hurt me to no end, and so if he did, it was necessary, and I would gain thereby. You must make your woman aware that you ONLY hurt her when necessary, and you take as much care as you can to ease and lessen the pain.

Avalanche

2003-02-01 23:26 | User Profile

Lesson three: Cherishing her feelings: the hardest part!

How do women deal with stress? By TALKING (and talking and talking and talking)! It’s what we DO! You are setting out to create some (probably quite serious) stress in your woman, and so you must plan for and prepare yourself to withstand a LOT of talking and emotion. Remember, she is not ARGUING with you, it’s a woman’s way of managing stress and feelings, and of figuring out what she thinks about the thing that's upset her! Even if she’s yelling loud enough to be heard next door – it’s NOT that she’s disagreeing or trying to talk you out of what you’ve said. Think of her volume and fervor as signs of the level of her FEELINGS! Think also, that her illogicality or inability to coherently answer what you’ve said is a symbol that she HAS heard you and that what you have said has had a BIG impact! (For you, it may feel like you’ve stepped on a mine! But hang on.)

** John Gray: It is very helpful for men to remember that women are instinctually suited to communicate as a means of sorting out their thoughts, clarifying their priorities, ands exploring their feelings.  As we have discussed, this is because early on in prehistory women learned to cope with life’s problems through talking all day and into the evening with other women.  A woman’s security was assured through talking and forming alliances and friendships.  Just the act itself of talking brings up an instinctual feeling security.** Here’s your next great chance to show just how well you can control your feelings! :D You must NOT argue back, or try to tell her more detail or convince her further. You must recognize her outraged feelings and cherish her feelings above yours! SHE must struggle through the emotional upheaval you’ve provided her, and that must be done OUT LOUD, and mostly in your presence!

You need to realize that when she responds to something you tell her with anger and upset and ranting about ‘how can you say ____ is okay?” she is also NOT attacking you! She is responding to HER feelings, in the way women do – which is by expressing (and re-expressing and repeating) how it feels; because she must first get THROUGH the feelings in order to be able to rationally consider what you’ve said. This is NOT arguing that you’re wrong (and arguing BACK at her will just increase the fever) and it’s not accusing you of being some bad thing for saying it. She is ‘trying it on’ verbally in order to see if it fits. You may have to weather this storm several times – the idea may bring up strong feelings multiple times, and you may feel as if you’re getting nowhere talking to her about it. (But if she weren’t bringing it back up, it would mean she hadn’t been affected by what you said. The fact that she’s struggling with it means she values you enough to struggle with whatever you’ve said to so upset her!)

Think of it as if you’ve thrown her a hot piece of metal. She must throw it around and yell and rant, and probably even throw it back at you, because it’s too hot for her to hold. You give her a bit of time, and then throw it back to her – she may still find it too hot to hold, but it’s not as hot as it was (and having held it once, her ‘hands’ are tougher), and she may throw it around and yell and throw it back to you, but it’s not so bad this time. The next time, she may not yell as loud, and it may not burn/hurt so much. In none of these instances have you intended to hurt her, you are merely giving her something you think she needs to have (that you, as a masculine man, want her to have).

If it’s entirely ‘too hot’ for her, she may drop it on the floor and leave it there - in which case you need to start toughening her up with ‘lesser objects’ – things that are equally challenging of her world view, but not the particular thing she is unable to handle at all. But in ALL these cases, YOU must maintain control of YOUR feelings – you must make her always aware that she is safe to scream and throw back at/to you things that are too hot, and you will not get angry back, or freeze her out, or do anything other than support and love her. (She will also appreciate that you will carry them for her until the thing cools off (by becoming more familiar to her) but that comes later. :D )

But, as a woman (and NEVER forget, she’s an entirely different kind of animal from you!), she must deal with the heat the way she is meant to – and that may include yelling and maybe throwing it back at you - but if you yell or throw it back at her (argue), or otherwise stop making it entirely safe for her to express her feelings (because she knows you cherish HER feelings over yours), you’ve lost the battle! She’ll not open up to you again until she feels safe that you will cherish her feelings over yours.

** John Gray:  Imagine this scene. A fireman receives a call and responds by saying, “You have a fire. How awful. How does it feel? Really. Have you ever been in a fire before? It is hot.  I’ve been to a lot.  I’m  sorry it’s so hot. Are you all alone? ...”  Obviously, this kind of empathetic response would be out of place.

This simple but dramatic example helps women to understand why listening without offering solutions can be so difficult for men.  It’s truly a new job description for a man to try to listen without trying to immediately put out the fire. **

You must wait and support her while she works through her feelings, even if it feels like a horrible attack, and your genes are urging you to jump in and try to ‘fix’ her. And remember, try a hug, supportive words (“I love you,” “I’m sorry you’re so upset,” "Can you tell me what you are feeling about what i've said?" stuff like that), and focusing on your love for her and appreciation that she is willing to listen to your thoughts and knowledge and take them seriously enough to be really upset by them.

Remember, she needs to talk over and around the thing, in order to ascertain what she feels about it... Helping her talk, asking her to try to describe how she feels will help her work out what she thinks about it.

Dan Dare

2003-02-02 03:45 | User Profile

Well. Wow.

Lots to chew on here. I'll take some time out to digest it all and get back with specific questions.

Thank you, Avalanche, very much.

Was Grace Kelly your mother too?

Dan Dare

2003-02-02 03:51 | User Profile

**However if you want lessons on that aspect, for a nominal fee..... **

Thanks rban it would be worth a more than a few rupees to understand how you Hidjas manage it through a drink straw after the "op".

Avalanche

2003-02-02 04:07 | User Profile

Lots to chew on here. I'll take some time out to digest it all and get back with specific questions. Thank you, Avalanche, very much. Was Grace Kelly your mother too?

Um, should I mention I'm not actually DONE, or will that make it seem futile? :D NeoNietzsche suggests I am providing WAY too much information, and will make it seem like it's too much trouble. I was/am assuming you're talking about awakening a woman in a committed relationship with you -- but he suggests it might be too much for a bachelor looking to awaken a casual date, which, I think, is not likely to succeed anyway -- the girl has to have an INTEREST in listening to you and a commitment to getting through her negative feelings about what you're saying...

It's my intent to describe fully the way you need to think about awakening a woman, but I don't think the process itself is onerous. I'm just (maybe over-)describing the emotional fundamentals for both you and her... But as long as you understand the fundamentals, the actually doing and discussing is much easier!

But even Neo married an unawakened woman, and look at me now! :lol: :rolleyes: :D :P

And no, but Grace Kelly WAS certainly pretty!

Dan Dare

2003-02-02 04:22 | User Profile

**Um, should I mention I'm not actually DONE, or will that make it seem futile? **

Absolutely not, on the contrary.

**But even Neo married an unawakened woman, and look at me now! **

Is that the Neo I think it is? I need to buy that bloke a beer or three.

Avalanche

2003-02-02 05:42 | User Profile

**Is that the Neo I think it is? I need to buy that bloke a beer or three. ** Do you think he is the NeoNietzsche of multiple erudite and interesting posts here on Original Dissent? :D Then you are correct, sir! (Not that I'm prejudiced in his behalf or anything! :P )

If you haven't read it yet, let me send you over to the thread: "Advice to Bachelors, How to find or make your awakened woman" wherein I discuss how we met (on the web...).

Avalanche

2003-02-03 15:42 | User Profile

Lesson... um... four? Where to start:

Deciding what ‘truths’ to offer for your woman’s consideration depends a lot of what you find most important, and how brainwashed she is.

Most women are strongly attached to their countries...

(Oh, non-Americans reading this? I am not ignoring you, but my descriptions and directions are necessarily focused on awakening an American woman, as that is the process I went through, and my history and politics brainwashing was American... you will need to include your own national horrid truths, in addition to the American ones – I suggest using the American ones because there is SO MUCH stuff available, and so much of the “world’s” “common knowledge” is related to American history..)

So, most women are strongly attached to their countries... so that is probably a very good place to start – with the attachment and patriotism and love for country that your woman has. (Poor Neo keeps trying to convince me I don’t HAVE a country, since it is controlled by a foreign oligarchy. But I feel SUCH a strong attachment to the land, to the (stupid and silly) people, to the idea of what this country was supposed to be – and yes, I suppose you could almost see it as a maternal feeling: I LOVE this country and want it to BE (and DO) better! Just because your ‘child’ is kidnapped and forced to do bad things doesn’t mean you abandon your love and desire to rescue that ‘child!’ And there’s another point you can use; empathize with that, and approach your woman with your own love for your country, and your desire to awaken her to the bad things it’s doing/undergoing BECAUSE you love it and want to rescue it. :D You can make clear LATER that it’s unrescue-able!)

If you are esp. interested in having her recognize the israel/jewish aspect, start with the U.S.S Liberty – there is a natural concern for the American sailors (I was IN the Navy when I first heard of the ship at all, much less what happened. It was, back then, ‘common’ and bitter knowledge IN the Navy, even as the country was kept blinded to it.) and it is such an egregious and “unfair” attack and murder that the woman will naturally have her foundation shaken. And it leads really well right into the president calling back the fighter jets, and the congress refusing (even still!) to look into it. (And that leads into cui bono!)

If you want to show how the govt is taken over and doing bad things – the Venona Intercepts, the horribly unfair destruction of Kimmel and Short by lying and intentional deceit, the death and injuries that resulted from the US being lied into the war. (Body of Secrets is really great – it gives you all the things you need (and a lot more too :) ) in really clear chunks – it’s a great book to read chapters of, say on a trip: Neo and I commute (84 miles a day! :rolleyes: ) so I read to him, and we made it through that book over a month or so...)

Remember – women want fairness – showing the unfairness of what’s gone on is a good way to elicit her outrage on behalf of the wronged... and then you can start exposing her to the wrongers! It also allows you to awaken her anger at FALSE unfairness, and thus expose her to even more.

Right now, everyone is worried about the countries financial situation (if she has stocks, bonds or a 401K, it’s a good way to get her interested). Bring out the billions of dollars being funneled into Israel and the destruction of American state and companies by preferential payments to the foreign country – again, a matter of unfairness, and her attachment to American companies, people, and country. Why is HER country hurting itself to protect and pay a foreign country. Esp. important – why are we paying for Israeli housing, when we are having trouble housing Americans? (And the provision of bullets, rockets, tanks, etc. do destroy the Palis...)

keep going:

Avalanche

2003-02-03 15:57 | User Profile

Where to Start, continued

If you are more interested in getting her to awaken to her “duty to the race” you will need to focus on the statistics. I am astonished – again by the unfairness of the media pushing white on black crime – cause when you consider the statistics of black on white crime, you suddenly realize you are being SO lied to!! Focus on how the drive to diversity is harming whites, and the country, (again, unfairness) and NOT on whatever you think about racial comparisons and intelligence levels and so on. (That comes after she accepts that there IS damage to her race!)

Here is where you can also introduce the devolution to animals in Africa – the media has led her to believe that S. Africa and other countries have gotten “democratic” and that’s good. Start letting her see how the ruling whites, who brought civilization, have lost it when they allowed blacks to 'help' rule.... And then you can introduce the communist element, followed by the jewish element.

And the huge amounts of money and services provided to ‘immigrants’ – introduce the somali invasion, the problem of rising rape rates by immigrants (hit her where it hurts...) – Norway, was it, suggesting the western WOMEN are partly to blame because they dress and act LIKE Western women and so the muds make them targets! (I am STILL stung and unhappy to learn that 20,000 (!!) Somalis have been moved into Seattle! I was counting on the Pac NW to be our refuge... Maybe a compound in Idaho IS the right place to be!! :angry: )

This can lead into the Mexican immvasion. Show how it is damaging AMERICANS – the money, the crime, the fear and protection of border citizens, the closed hospitals, the groaning schools and govt agencies, the black-Mex wars. Social Security for Mexicans IN Mexico?! The reconquista, matricula, and ANOTHER amnesty. Show how politicians are selling out the country, and how unfair it is to Americans.

How whites and Europeans are being kept out (the NEED for an escape from Africa for white families, and the U.S. and Brit refusal to step up and do what’s right! (Again, unfairness.) How elderly family members of immigrants (on welfare :angry: ) are being let in and paid for by us! How ambulances are bringing sick and injured HERE because we will pay to help them. How pregnant women are racing over the border to pop it out HERE, so they can then stay for their “citizen children.”

Here are others: [list] [] feminism (and the damage to the country’s families!) (and how it was/is jewish) [] communism (and the millions and millions killed and tortured) (and how it was/is jewish) [] israel destruction (the holocausts :angry: against the Palis; or the Russians and Ukrainians; the Germans after the war -- that’s esp. good because she will (wrongly) think well of the Allies, and to discover the depth, breadth, and HORROR of the tortures and murders and killing BY the Allies AFTER the war is esp, horrifying. And effective! [] gun rights -- self-protection, confiscation, Britain and Australia and California. [] Federal Reserve (and how it’s destroying the country!) (and how it was/is jewish) [] liberalism (and the damage to the country’s young!) (and how it was/is jewish) [] the de-Christianization of America, if that is of interest to her. [] The Nuremburg Trials and their complete illegality and the torture and mistreatment of prisoners and the inability of defense and so on -- horribly unfair AND against an American's view of 'legal justice!' This is a good start to questioning the whole holyhoax -- once you see how unbelieveable this was, you can't help but question the rest! [] Here’s the biggie: when you are ready, and I’d suggest having laid a LOT of foundation in the lies she’s been brainwashed with, you will want to start around the periphery of the holyhoax. I* think it’s a vital topic, and ignoring it or downplaying it merely allows an ‘out’ for pretty much everything that is destroying this country. I mean, if one still believes in the holyhoax, then one can ‘explain away’ huge numbers of horrid things as payback and understandable retribution and so on. [/list] (Neo often despairs of reaching anyone with all this – because it is a systemic whole – and any individual part can be argued, and every individual argument allows the arguer to discount/discard the ‘whole’ as untrue. But once you’ve built the whole house, there’s no way to knock out any one support – it’s all interlocking and solid as hell!)

There are LOTS of books that are helpful. I think David Duke’s is esp. useful because it lays out SO MUCH of this stuff, clearly and is mostly easy to read – and unlike single topic books, he covers it all! Duke is a wonderful primer for a ‘school’ student. It’s complete and reasoned, and REALLY hard to discount or argue against!

I think McDonald is GREAT – but his focus is different and more narrow. You're still going for the broad general outlines... He's for grad work! :P

Bamford’s Body of Secrets is wonderful for the (historical and continuing) perfidy of the U.S. govt. And it's useful to expose the broad patterns of 'our' govt. (Upper division course.)

The Hoax of the Twentieth Century by Arthur Butz – but without you having laid a pretty strong foundation, she won’t be able to read this... It’s too ‘hot.’ (Graduate work.)

Anyway, you probably know more books and articles for her to read... Remember – ALL this stuff will raise painful and uncomfortable feelings, and you may come in for some...static! Through it all, you MUST remain calm and stable (she’ll need an anchor as this stuff blows away her foundations!) And you must allow her to spew ALL her upset and anger and fear and hate and discomfort, while you still make her feel absolutely safe that you love her, and that she CAN spew all over you without you getting angry or freezing her out or running away from her out-of-control feelings! (That’s YOUR hard job! The providing info is easy, dealing with the fallout is hard!)

Uncle John

2003-02-04 16:17 | User Profile

The best way to awaken a woman is to lightly place a slice of lunchmeat on the sleeping woman's face. Any lunchmeat will do, but bologna is best, because it seems to form the best seal on the nose and mouth. Believe me, the results will be spectacular.

I perfected this technique many years ago with my cousins, but it has worked equally well with my wife and daughters. Takes 'em down a few pegs when they reach the smarmy teenage years.

Avalanche

2003-02-12 15:23 | User Profile

On another thread I said: I want to protect MY OWN first -- and I have been (carefully and gently) led to the point of seeing and understanding the absolute threat to MY OWN by these problems... Who was it said: the female of the species is MORE ruthless? (Teach them the RIGHT enemies, and you have created a formidable force!)

As I've said elsewhere -- you must lead your women to the point where their innate protective instincts are both awakened AND directed in the right directions! The protective instincts are always there, and generally active -- it's the target that's been confused.

Let me expand: Part of all this awakening is to get women (and men, for that matter), to correctly identify the enemy, the damage they are doing, and how they are doing it. I think, for the general case, showing the damage to "our own" and helping your woman recognize where the boundaries are drawn between "ours' and "others" will help you to refocus her.

This is a BIG part of White Nationalism -- making whites recognize the importance (and fragility) of our civilization. And a LOT of that can be done without (yet) identifying WHO is destroying it or why. (And this is where Jared Taylor excels!) [list] [*]First, teach her to SEE the erosion in the bedrock of our white civilization. Get her to identify in detail the damages, cracks, chips, and flaws occurring to her/our own civilization.

[*]Get her to recognize and understand the mechanism of the erosion. How is it that blacks and mexicans are CREATING damage and danger. Remember, this is still the 'actual occurances,' not the 'who's doing it' stage... Stick to the stats on black crime, (make it personal -- black on white rape and assault: make her see HERSELF and her daughters in danger; black on white robbery: make her see HERSELF and her sons in danger). Show how illegal (and legal) immigration is COSTING her money that she and other women women need to take good care of their OWN kids and families. Make the damage personal and direct. (Contrary to the feminists "the personal is political" -- in fact, women need to be retaught that the political is PERSONAL --- that all this stupid politics DIRECTLY AFFECTS how they can take care of their family.)

[*]Get her to see how the erosion allows further damage to the bedrock. (The freezing water cracks the rock, which allows further water in to further crack the rock...) Once you've decided that asylum is good, it allows futher asylum seekers, which creates further problems (both here and where they came from). If we're sending money to Africa, why are we also allowing them to escape HERE, from where we're sending the money?

[*]Get her to see who is furthering the erosion (who is helping the water get into the rock). How do white American politicans who CLAIM to be pro-family, actually do things that are horribly damaging to HER family. How do the programs they create and steal HER money to fund further damage her family?

[*]FINALLY, get her to see who is pouring the water into the cracks, AND importing the people who are furthering the erosion! And finally, here come the jews.

[/list] It may indeed BE that we need DIFFERENT teachers for each of these steps! And Alex Linder may be the final step, bu the will still be uncomfortable for women. There's just no way around that!

Avalanche

2003-02-13 04:08 | User Profile

I'm hearing a few rumbles about just how much work this seems to entail...

I guess the determination of whether it is too much trouble is how important the woman is to you, or her awakening is to you, or her support of your aspirations for awakening others. I think it's not really as hard as I make it sound by explaining in such great detail -- but I want to provide very complete directions. Once you understand the concepts, Ithink it is easier than I've made it sound, but then, I haven't done it, only undergone it. And I cannot get Neo to write about his end, because he thinks it's inappropriate for a man to tell other men how to "manage" their women. (Maybe if one of y'all ASK him?) (If any of you are interested...)

I mean, it's not like you set up a school room and hand out reading assignments and give pop quizes... It's more a case (I think) of HOW you approach discussing things with her. If you realize she will be struggling with the conflict between what she 'knows' and the new stuff you're telling her, then you won't be (AS) tempted to argue or push. If you know that she has to work out her discomfort out loud -- then you won't think she's disagreeing and arguing, so you won't feel like you have to force her to accept completely everything you say every time.

This stuff doesn't require much preparation and planning, so much as knowing where she is likely to be coming from, and if you know the subject matter (and you likely do, you're HERE aren't you? :lol: ), it's mainly a matter of understanding what she'll be feeling. (After all, when you introduce this stuff to a GUY, don't you consider whether he's getting so pissed he's likely to slug you? Well, how different is it to recognize she's about to cry with stress?)

Anyway, I'll keep trying to get Neo to give his side... Maybe one day... :huh: