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2003-01-29 22:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 29 2003, 16:08 **however, I blame stupid white women far more. Man alive, I've met feminists that make me want to jump off the roof. **
jay, what is the origin of feminist ideology? Who created it? What are the avenues of its dissemination whereby it reaches the minds of the young women you have met? Is there any common denominator throughout all of that?
2003-01-29 22:54 | User Profile
Jay, Im starting to wonder about you. Did you read my post that listed how the Zionists occupy 90% of the media, and 99% Clinton's cabinet? I have not seen Mr Bush's yet, but I will keep you informed. There it was right in front of you, yet you still don't buy it.
First you threaten to leave the board because of my Hitler avatar. Then you complain about how all everyone here talks about is the jews. From what I have seen its all you like to talk about. Argentina? They through them all out, evrybody knows the South Americans are very anti-semite. Thats why all the Nazis fled there to escape war crime charges.
Don't you realize that Feminism is an emotionalized political tactic that the Zionists invented in the 60's in order to win over Women? Just like they plaY whitey against Blacky through there Record labels and shows like HBO'S filthy OZ.
Read The protocals of the wise men of zion and there you will read how it is there policy to invite enemies into the countries they occupy, and to encourage as much turd world immigration as they can in order to rule the squabbling masses (cattle).
Jay, I am not tryin to attack you either. I am just trying to understand you. You seem like a level headed guy, we seem to have alot of views in common (anti-immigration), and I agree with you about the idiots who wake up and blame the jews for everything. They are simply uneducated.
But, However........You can't ignore what they 'are' doing. Let me sum up what I have researched and have come to understand>
Its a race of semites from the Arab region. They are of Arab decent. A Jew is as an Aryan is, as an Asian is, as an African is. Not black, Somalian, European, white, ect, you know what I mean?
The Jews do have a religion called Zionism. There are also Christian Jews, orthodox Jews, Buddist Jews and believe it or not a few confused Muslum Jews. These athiest Jews (Zionists) are Marxists.
Then you have what some like to call socialist Jews, like the ones who rule New York, who are like out of control children who only care about raping the country they are occupying. These are the Jews who run the American media, who are anti religion, and who clearly stand against the Iraq issue, and who do not consider Israel a first priority.
Of course some of them still send money there. but they look to rule America. The Lieberman political types are pro-Israel, and are different from the media leftist jews.
Which then you have the orthodox Arial Sharons in Israel who are of the 'Jewish' conservative right. Jews are just like everyone else regarding different political beliefs. Of course if they follow the cabala, there religion is rule the cattle by financial domination.
You have to realize that not every Jew is a Zionist out to get the white man. Trust me, I have researched it, and I know a few right-wing Jews who are great men. I think that its important to understand this.
It is the International Zionists that are the enemies of our people. There the ones Hitler talked about. There the Bolsheviks behind the Russian Revolution. You see, Hitler got the European Jews for turning on him after financing his rise to power, he never got to the Bolsheviks.
So after world war 2 the Bolshevik marxist Jews entered Europe through East Berlin and currently rule Germany, France, and much of Britain, but not all of Britain. Our Jew Political Tycoons still control Britain, which is why Britain always supports our foreign policies.
Also, Jews have been mixing with different races ever since before Rome. Kirk Douglas who played Sparticus, A Viking in the movie The Vikings, and many other Historical roles looks as white as you can get, but however, he has Russian Jewish roots. A quick sum up. Thats if you care?-
Your Buddy, Nor cal
2003-01-29 23:03 | User Profile
Jay said: "I blame stupid white women far more. Man alive, I've met feminists that make me want to jump off the roof. "
I say:
Here is a list of the Jewish founders and leaders of the modern feminist revolution. Keep in mind that this list is by no means complete--these women are simply the more well-known within the feminist movement; thousands of lesser-known Jewish women lead local and obscure feminist groups [1]:
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-Gloria Steinem (1934- ); founder, Ms. Magazine.
-Bella Abzug (1920-1998); Civil rights and labor attorney elected to Congress (House of Rep.) from New York City; served 1971-1977.
-Betty Friedan (1921- ); feminist leader and author of the book "The Feminine Mystique" (1963).
-Shulamith Firestone (1945- ); Canadian feminist. Wrote "The Dialectic of Sex" (1970).
-Andrea Dworkin (1946- ); radical; apparent lesbian. Author of the book "Intercourse" (1987).
-Susan Brownmiller (1935- ); U.S. feminist. Wrote the book "Against Our Will" (1975).
-Susan Faludi (1959- ); author of the book "Backlash" (1992).
-Naomi Wolf (1962- ); advisor to Al Gore in the 2000 U.S. presidential election.
-Emma Goldman (1869-1940); early U.S. feminist.
-Ernestine Rose (1810-1892); b. in Poland; early feminist.
-Phyllis Chesler (1941- ); U.S. feminist; author of the book "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" (2002).
-Judy Chicago (Cohen) (1939- ); U.S. feminist. Author of the book "The Dinner Party" (1996).
-Robin Morgan (1941- ); U.S. feminist. Former editor-in-chief, Ms. magazine.
-Letty Cottin Pogrebin (1939- ); U.S. feminist; co-founded Ms. magazine.
-Gerda Lerner (1920- ); b. in Austria.
-Annie Nathan Meyer (1867-1951); U.S. feminist.
-Maud Nathan (1862-1946); sister of Annie Nathan Meyer; U.S. feminist.
-Geri Palast (1950- ); chair, Committee on Women in the Global Economy; U.S. feminist.
-Rose Schneiderman (1882-1972); b. in Poland.
-Anita Pollitzer (1894-1975); U.S. feminist; pal of artist Georgia O'Keeffe.
-Gene Boyer (no birthyear available); a founder of N.O.W.; president of Jewish Feminists; U.S. feminist.
-Lucy Komisar (1942- ); author of the book "The New Feminism" (1971); U.S. feminist.
-Karen Nussbaum (1950- ); (apparently Jewish); leader of 9to5-National Association of Working Women.
-Eleanor Flexner (1908-1995); (apparently Jewish--relative is a Zionist); U.S. feminist.
-Riane Eisler (1931- ); b. Vienna; author/feminist; (apparently Jewish--fled Nazis). Author of the book "The Chalice and the Blade" (1987).
Any questions, Jay?
2003-01-29 23:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 29 2003, 16:08 ** [Jews] just left Argentina en masse, and have done so for time immemorial. **
They have not left Argentina.
[url=http://www.jdc.org/news/argentina-a.htm]http://www.jdc.org/news/argentina-a.htm[/url] "Observers say as many as 20,000 of the 200,000-strong Jewish community could emigrate to Israel in the next three years, particularly if the economic crisis deepens here and Middle East violence subsides."
At the most, and only if certain conditions are met, only 10% of the Jewish population are expected to leave, and at that only the poorest.
Best, P
2003-01-29 23:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jan 29 2003, 16:19 ** > Originally posted by jay@Jan 29 2003, 16:08 **however, I blame stupid white women far more.ÃÂ Man alive, I've met feminists that make me want to jump off the roof.ÃÂ **
jay, what is the origin of feminist ideology? Who created it? What are the avenues of its dissemination whereby it reaches the minds of the young women you have met? Is there any common denominator throughout all of that? **
You can run it all the way back to Mary Wollstonecraft's 1729 Vindication of the Rights of Woman. The ideas of feminism were mainly developed in the 19th-century in New England by the Suffragettes, all of whom came from Protestant backgrounds.
Of course, if you really want to find the culprit behind feminism, then that would be modern technology, which took over most of the tasks done around the house and made it technically feasible for a woman to attempt (if not succeed at) having both a family and a career.
Best, P
2003-01-29 23:14 | User Profile
The ideas of feminism were mainly developed in the 19th-century in New England by the Suffragettes, all of whom came from Protestant backgrounds.
Not "the" ideas. Some ideas. And a movement that culminated in the 19th Amendment and then effectively disappeared.
2003-01-29 23:22 | User Profile
Franco, Now thats presenting the facts. Bravo!
Polichinello, Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the fact that so many Jews lived in Argentina.
-Nor cal
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2003-01-29 23:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 29 2003, 17:14 ** > The ideas of feminism were mainly developed in the 19th-century in New England by the Suffragettes, all of whom came from Protestant backgrounds.
Not "the" ideas. Some ideas. And a movement that culminated in the 19th Amendment and then effectively disappeared. **
No, the ideas. Wollstonecraft's book calls for gender egalitarianism across the board. The feminist movements (known as the Suffragettes) of the 19th-Century continued on past the 19th Amendment. They had other ideas beyond simply getting the vote. These women were just as avidly egalitarian and had just as wacky ideas about marriage and family as any feminist today. The Depression and World War II submerged the movement's profile (thought the war industry helped it along), as happened with a lot of other movements, but they came back when the international scene stabilized.
Best, P
2003-01-30 01:00 | User Profile
Interesting, P, that those "ideas" had little impact on society until a cohesive group of people chose to bakc those ideas.
2003-01-30 06:45 | User Profile
**You know, this is exceedingly odd. I've used the term 'bloodsuckers' a dozen times in the last month, and not once did the censorware change that word to 'Jews'.
I didn't ask for any special privileges from Tex, I swear.** It's probably just being kind to jay and dark eddy.... It's painful to have your foundation of love and respect for your parasites disrupted! :lol: :D
2003-01-30 09:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 30 2003, 01:00 Interesting, P, that those "ideas" had little impact on society until a cohesive group of people chose to bakc those ideas.
Reich was the pioneer in what he called sex-pol work, which meant putting sex to political use, in his case in Vienna and Berlin in the late ââ¬Ë20s and early ââ¬Ë30s. Kate Millett took the concept of sex pol and made it into the title of her book Sexual Politics, one of the seminal feminist texts and also the one which made apparent that the revival of feminism in the late ââ¬Ë60s and the revival of Reich were one and the same thing.**** [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=5738&st=0&#entry28356]V-Day at St. Mary's College[/url]
Jay, I think your argument about stupid white women is pretty well shot down, but you are laying good groundwork for an argument that is was the creation of stupid white men. :P
2003-01-30 13:17 | User Profile
Certainly we can blame the Left--and leftist Jews--for filling the West with nasty feminist ideas that cause the white birth rate to go south. But it took a concerted effort on the part of vast numbers of stupid-smart white women to really perfect the whole feminist thing. Let's give credit where credit is due: white women take to racially-damaging ideas like whores take to big Daddy, 'darkie' pimps. (Now you know how I got my name.)
I think the idea is that white women will mouth any set of pernicious, alien ideas they find, until white males tell them to shut up, threaten to marry a cute, young Asian girl, or cut up their credit cards. Unfortunately, since we live in p****-whiped nation, Ms. & Mrs. 'I must be equal' run their mouths pretty much ad freakin' nauseum.
If things are a delicate stage and remaining is worthwhile, just say 'That's very interesting a lot.' Otherwise, mention the cute, young Asian girl. Or just run.
2003-01-30 14:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 29 2003, 19:00 ** Interesting, P, that those "ideas" had little impact on society until a cohesive group of people chose to bakc those ideas. **
Little impact? Did you miss the Roaring Twenties, with the flappers and free living? As Jacques Barzun, a professor of cultural history, noted in his book Dawn to Decadence the Sixties merely picked up where the Twenties left off. Even before that, dating back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, women began taking on more and more prominent roles because of the rise of manufacturies that hired them.
If you really want an "interesting" coincidence, though, the thing that paralleled the rise of these ideas was not any particular group, but technology. Until the steam engine poor women didn't work another job because there was no other choice. Life was rural and someone had to keep track of the house. Nineteenth-century urbanization changed that. Until the widespread use of electrical power and internal combustion, middle-class women stayed home because there was a lot to do there: washing clothes, buying groceries (a daily task before the fridge) and cleaning house.
Best, P
2003-01-30 14:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Jan 29 2003, 19:11 ** As for you, Punch, I salute your disingenuous treatment of the origins of 'feminism'. When elaborated, it will allow you to blame Bolshevism, not on Marx and Schiff, but on the Gracchus brothers land reform efforts in the Roman Republic! **
My treatment of feminism is contained within the modern age. No need to run back to Elektra or anything like that. There's a direct line between all these movements.
And as for Bolshevism, you should also blame the Kaiser and the Germans. After all they shipped Lenin east, and then built them up after World War One on the sly. As to Marx, an anti-Semite who'd agree with much of what's posted here, he got his ideas straight from Hegel, Rousseau and the Chartists around him in England.
Best, P
2003-01-30 15:50 | User Profile
** Certainly we can blame the Left--and leftist Jews--for filling the West with nasty feminist ideas that cause the white birth rate to go south. But it took a concerted effort on the part of vast numbers of stupid-smart white women to really perfect the whole feminist thing.**
And how much of that 'concerted effort' was in fact a 20-mule team in traces pulling the same heavy idea, under the lash -- any guess who was crackin' the whip?!) Don't forget, one of the reasons y'all so much LIKE white women, is because of their nurturing and altruism and 'taking care of' lessers. And how better to move masses of women than to plead it's 'for the children.' Would you malign women for the very quality that makes them most worthwhile? Had not "vast numbers of stupid-smart white" MEN foolishly allowed their wives to expand their definition of "chicks to care for" to include NON-whites and adults; had those men not 'protected' their women from even solid KNOWLEDGE of the harshness of 'real' life; then the women might not have been swayed by the snake's pretty new apple...
Let's give credit where credit is due: white women take to racially-damaging ideas like whores take to big Daddy, 'darkie' pimps. (Now you know how I got my name.) You were a pimp for white women? Are you sure you're NOT a jew? ;)
And no, the 'snakes' used white women's appropriate and race/tribe/family supporting natural inclinations and moved the focus to where it should not be! Would you want a wife to raise YOUR kids who didn't care if they survived; didn't care if they had any brain at all; didn't care if they could read or write or make their way in society; didn't care if our civil, successful society carried on; one unable to manage a household? Or, oh wait, does this mean you want a BLACK woman to wife?
I think the idea is that white women will mouth any set of pernicious, alien ideas they find, until white males tell them to shut up, threaten to marry a cute, young Asian girl, or cut up their credit cards. Unfortunately, since we live in p-whiped nation, Ms. & Mrs. 'I must be equal' run their mouths pretty much ad freakin' nauseum .
You want to force white women to return to a stage where they were cared for, protected, supported and managed by their men WITHOUT first requiring that the MEN step up to the plate?! And do you honestly think that will (or could possibly) succeed? The ball was dropped by MEN, and so women have lost trust, and all the whining and angry yelling that women are BAD for looking out for themselves and their kids, wonââ¬â¢t change that! It is INNATE to women that they must have a solid male protector for their offspring, thus Joe Millionaire. Youââ¬â¢ll notice there is no Jill Millionaire ââ¬â men marry for other primary reasons. Women want and need some assurance that the fathers of their kids WILL provide for them ââ¬â and that means when the men dropped the ball, the women HAD NO CHOICE but to pick it up!
Since they (unconsciously know that they) need a protective, (financially) supportive male, women are susceptible to pernicious alien ideas... and blaming THEM for that susceptibility.... is to leave out the ââ¬Åcontributionââ¬Â of the males, who started it off! (And the whispering snake in the garden, who made use of it!) WHITE MEN should have maintained their control and protection of their women, and since they didnââ¬â¢t, itââ¬â¢s foolish to blame the women for doing what is NATURAL to them; even when they are swayed by aliens... It was the MENââ¬â¢S job to protect them from those aliens, and they sure as hell didnââ¬â¢t do it! (Re-read Francoââ¬â¢s list of female snakes; these were middle and upper class communists and jews, who were able to ââ¬Ëarrangeââ¬â¢ to feed apples to white women because white women were already primed to eat, and white men were allowing the snakes to get close!)
(Note, I apply all this to white women only: Iââ¬â¢m not interested in the cultural patterns of blacks, or ââ¬Åcute Asiansââ¬Â)
**If things are a delicate stage and remaining is worthwhile, just say 'That's very interesting a lot.' Otherwise, mention the cute, young Asian girl. Or just run. **
And so tell us WHY any white woman should trust you enough to raise some of your large packs of kids? You want control of a woman without the concomitant RESPONSIBILITY, and thatââ¬â¢s just not... white! (or reasonable!)
2003-01-30 19:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 30 2003, 15:50 **Youââ¬â¢ll notice there is no Jill Millionaire ââ¬â men marry for other primary reasons.àWomen want and need some assurance that the fathers of their kids WILL provide for them ââ¬â and that means when the men dropped the ball, the women HAD NO CHOICE but to pick it up!
Since they (unconsciously know that they) need a protective, (financially) supportive male, women are susceptible to pernicious alien ideas... and blaming THEM for that susceptibility.... is to leave out the ââ¬Åcontributionââ¬Â of the males, who started it off! (And the whispering snake in the garden, who made use of it!)àWHITE MEN should have maintained their control and protection of their women, and since they didnââ¬â¢t, itââ¬â¢s foolish to blame the women for doing what is NATURAL to them; even when they are swayed by aliens...àIt was the MENââ¬â¢S job to protect them from those aliens, and they sure as hell didnââ¬â¢t do it!à(Re-read Francoââ¬â¢s list of female snakes; these wereàmiddle and upper class communists and jews, who were able to ââ¬Ëarrangeââ¬â¢ to feed apples to white women because white women were alreadyàprimed to eat, and white men were allowing the snakes to get close!)
(Note, I apply all this to white women only: Iââ¬â¢m not interested in the cultural patterns of blacks, or ââ¬Åcute Asiansââ¬Â) **
At the risk of being repetitive, I will ask you to look again at Kevin MacDonald's insights on feminine psychology, and ask if you could try and understand how significant this is to the matter at hand.
** Indeed there is considerable reason to suppose that Western tendencies toward individualism are unique and based on evolved psychological adaptions...
We have seen that Western individualism is intimately entwined with scientific thinking and social structures based on hierarchic harmony, sexual egalitarianism, and democratic and republican forms of government. These uniquely Western tendencies suggest that reciprocity is a deeply ingrained western tendency.....
Another critical component of the evolutionary basis of individualism is theÃÂ elaboration of the human affectional system as an individualistic pair-bonding system, the system that seemed so strange that it was theorized to be a thin veneer overlaying a deep psychopathology to a generation of Jewish intellectuals emerging from the ghetto..... This system is highly elaborated in Western cultures in both men and women, and it is psychometrically linked with empathy, altruism, and nurturance. Individuals who are very high on this system- predominantly females- are pathologically prone to altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behavior... Such a perspective also accounts for the much-commented-on gender gap in voting in which females favor political candidates with liberal positions on social issues.... and political stances that equalize rather than accentuate differences between individuals and groups....
This system continues to be adaptive in the modern world in its role in underlying high-investment parenting, but it is easy to see that the relative hypertrophy of this system may result in maladaptive behavior if a system designed for empathy, altruism, and nurturance of family members and others in a closely related group becomes directed at a world outside the family......
The implication is that Western societies are prone to invasion by non-Western cultures able to manipulate Western tendencies toward reciprocity, egalitarianism, and close family relationships in a manner that results in maladaptive behavior for the European- derived peoples who remain at the core of all Western societies. **
2003-01-30 19:29 | User Profile
Quote ( polichinello)
"As to Marx, an anti-Semite who'd agree with much of what's posted here, he got his ideas straight from Hegel, Rousseau and the Chartists around him in England."
Polichinello, Karl Marx an anti-semite? No offense intended, but Karl Marx was a Jew. He was born in Tier,Germany in 1818, but his parents Heinrich and Henrietta Marx, both descended from a long line of Jewish Rabbis who followed the teachings of the Torah and Cabala.
Karl and his father were baptized in the Evangelical Established church, but only to deter anti-semetism.
Hegel was around prior to Marx's birth. In the beggining Marx followed Hegels teachings, but later converted to athiesm. Hegal, a German I believe, was not an athiest.
Even Hitler was a Hegel follower, but Marx, like Hitler, took Hegels tactics and formed his own ideology later with Engels, an englishman, who helped him with his first works on the 'Communist manifesto'. which strikingly resembles the 'protocols of the wise men of Zion'.
Anyone who has viewed this document quickly undertstands that these creatures are practicing these tactics right here now in our beloved America. I will post them later.
Hegel was a descendent of the Bavarian illuminati. It is easy to understand why such abstract thinking has been interpreted in so many ways by Hegels followers, including Karl Marx and Hitler.
We have to understand that as young men, these men were all searching for there own personal revolutions. The Hegelarian system believed, in Hegels words-
Mans reason is "the candle of the Lord", that intuition and Love create a unity of man with the divine which brings understanding and equality".
Marx, Later turned on Hegals doctrine, converted to atheism, and stated that " if there is something which devours, I'll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins....that would be really living"- That filthy Communist scum.
Anyway, My point is Marx, who was a Jew, and was an early follower of Hegals teachings, was an athiest who formed his own ideology with Engels.
However, you are 100% correct about Lenin being sent to Russia by the Germans, just as was Trotsky (a New York Jew). This was arranged by Max Warburg and the German High command in order to get Russia out of the War to benefit Germany.
Alot of folks have no idea about these proven facts. The deeper one researches, the more sick you become.
-Nor cal [img]http://www.hitler.org/art/breker/predestination-thumb.jpg[/img]
2003-01-30 20:17 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Jan 30 2003, 11:59 ** P, I question the concept of blaming technology for the rise of feminism. Technological advanement may be one of the elements, but what is the outcome of such a viewpoint: Advancement = Feminism, Backwardness= Traditional Family Values?
Perhaps Japanese society is an example of technical wizardry and a love of gadgets to automate household duties and permit women to work outside the home....but has this led to 'rampant feminism' as we see in the West? No? Then, perhaps we need to examine their culture & society to figure out how they did it?
I will, with great difficulty, restrain myself from spouting my usual solution to the problem of feminism. **
Actually, Rban, Japan is having trouble with technical advancement and women. Women want careers, but because their men insist on keeping them at home (while they go out and philander), Japanese women simply refuse to get married now. There's a growing segment of women in their thirties who have never been married. It's reflected in Japan's plummeting birth rates. Pat Buchanan discussed this in his latest book. I saw it myself when I was in the Air Force. There was a place near the old Taechikawa AB (within driving distance of Yakota AB) in Tokyo where American men could go and have Japanese businesswomen purchase their services.
Best, P
2003-01-30 20:26 | User Profile
Avalanche, I totally agree that men have let women get out of hand. That was most the point I was making. Women simply get out of hand automatically if you are constantly keeping them under control. Women only have respect for men when men are controlling them. It is probably a genetic survival strategy--'seek the strong male,' 'give up on a race when the males of that race no longer enforce fidelity to it.'
As far as your claim that men have dropped the ball by failing to adaquately indicate that they will provide for women--what a lot of nonsense. Men drop women because they get too old, and because other women offer them sex outside of the initial relationship.
I am not sure why you think I need to prove myself worth of female trust. Have I done something un-trustworthy? What worries you is that men will drop women, not take of the kids. I am apparently guilty of this flaw as well?
Anyway, as I mentioned, men generally drop women because they either want a younger model, or because they just want variety, where plenty is (potetentially) available commitment free.
The first problem has partly to do with us living longer. But it has more to do with feminists' desire for 'equality' in relationships, and consequent discouragement of more durable marriages that involve a girl and an older, established man (10-20 years older).
The variety problem is caused by the vast number of sluts out there--this is in turn tied to the nature of our cultural productions, and the breakdown of Christian organization of human sensuality.
PS No, I did not mean that I am a pimp. I mean that I am a pimpin' big Daddy (let me parse this for you: pimpin' = partake of cool ghetto-style, have air of player [=seduce lots of women], big Daddy: big, offers father role to younger and/or emotional dependent girls). However, this is all just a lot of BS.
2003-01-30 20:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by Nor cal.skiN@Jan 30 2003, 13:29 ** Quote ( polichinello) "As to Marx, an anti-Semite who'd agree with much of what's posted here, he got his ideas straight from Hegel, Rousseau and the Chartists around him in England."
Polichinello, Karl Marx an anti-semite? No offense intended, but Karl Marx was a Jew. He was born in Tier,Germany in 1818, but his parents Heinrich and Henrietta Marx, both descended from a long line of Jewish Rabbis who followed the teachings of the Torah and Cabala. **
Yes, this is true. But that didn't prevent Marx from hating Jews. He was, to use the terms employed here, a race traitor. Marx calumniated Jews at every opportunity he had, and when he wanted to insult an opponent, he called them "Dirty Jews with Negro blood." Karl could be quite the racialist.
Hegel wasn't an athiest. He claimed to be Christian, but was more of a pantheist in thought. I agree that Marx introduced the idea of economic determinism (as opposed to Hegel's political Spirit), but the outlines of Marxist philosophy were still heavily based on Hegelian dialectic, combined with Rousseau's concept of the General Will, and affected by the Chartist distubances in the London of his time.
You mention Engels, and he is another interesting character. If you read a little feminist literature (which was my deep misfortune in one class), it isn't too before you see that good old Friedrich (a non-Jew) is the real go-to guy for the feminist left. He cooked up the notion of the primordial matriarchy which they all go so goo-goo for.
Best, P
2003-01-30 23:11 | User Profile
Good article today in the Wall Street Journal about Singapore having trouble reproducing. Average children per woman has fallen from 4 in 1960 to about 1.5 in 2000.
Japan's birth rate has fallen as well. Factor in Taiwan, and the Asian birth rates are falling rapidly. Women are asserting themselves more than ever and turning away from raising children.
No Jews living anywhere there. Kinda hurts the argument they are to blame for every instance of feminism, but since I don't know what I'm talking about - I'll defer to others.
-Jay
2003-01-30 23:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 30 2003, 23:11 **No Jews living anywhere there. Kinda hurts the argument they are to blame for every instance of feminism, but since I don't know what I'm talking about - I'll defer to others.
-Jay**
Nobody said they were, although feminism, as my MacDonald quote indicates, is a term very culturally specific vis a vis the west.
But in our neck of the woods they definitely are pretty high in the ranks for sure.
2003-01-31 02:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by Polichinello@Jan 30 2003, 20:27 > Originally posted by Nor cal.skiN@Jan 30 2003, 13:29 ** Quote ( polichinello) "As to Marx, an anti-Semite who'd agree with much of what's posted here, he got his ideas straight from Hegel, Rousseau and the Chartists around him in England."**
Polichinello, Karl Marx an anti-semite? No offense intended, but Karl Marx was a Jew. He was born in Tier,Germany in 1818, but his parents Heinrich and Henrietta Marx, both descended from a long line of Jewish Rabbis who followed the teachings of the Torah and Cabala. **
Yes, this is true. But that didn't prevent Marx from hating Jews. He was, to use the terms employed here, a race traitor. Marx calumniated Jews at every opportunity he had, and when he wanted to insult an opponent, he called them "Dirty Jews with Negro blood." Karl could be quite the racialist.
**
Punch, I think what you are referring to is Karl Marx's famous essay in The Holy Father, titled On the Jewish Question where he gave his most famous anti-Semitic quote "what is the real religion of the Jews - profit.... what is their real vocation - hucksterism".
Kevin MacDonald of course has a fairly lengthy analysis of Karl Marx's relationship to Judaism in CoC. Like alot of Marx's stands, it was rather ambiguous. At any rate Marx was a hero to most early Bundists, not the least because of his Jewishness, in spite of passages such as these. Its an involved question really.
If you are going to get into the intellectual roots of Marxism though, I'm sure a master of distraction like you would have to bring up Richard Wurmbrand's book "Marx and Satan", where he argues all of early Communists were secret and not so secret occultists.
Wurmbrand seemed to think all these apparent contridictions in Marxists was mere the result of their Satanic patterns of thought.
BTW, I'll have to compare your replies with Wurmbrand's profiling. ;)
2003-01-31 06:34 | User Profile
Rban, I have been checking out some cute racially-Indian girls. Some clearly do have Aryan blood, and are obviously close kin to Europeans. I always thought perhaps this might have just been my imagination playing tricks on me when I heard a British accent. (At the same time--clearly a lot of Hindi-speakers are descended from non-Aryan or mixed groups.)
I would point out that different nations are going to experience reduced birth-rates for different reasons. For example, those of Chinese descent, even when free of government restrictions, might limit the number of children they have simply due to the sense that there are plenty of Chinese in the world (oh, to be in those shoes). One son is enough, in other words.
In other words, a low birth rate might be fairly rational for many Asian races. But it is suicidal for whites. That's why one has to start examing pernicious cultural-artistic influences--these strange, irrational forces fit the bill for the culprit, even if it turns out they are only one factor among many.
2003-01-31 15:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Jan 30 2003, 20:21 Kevin MacDonald of course has a fairly lengthy analysis of Karl Marx's relationship to Judaism in CoC. Like alot of Marx's stands, it was rather ambiguous. At any rate Marx was a hero to most early Bundists, not the least because of his Jewishness, in spite of passages such as these. Its an involved question really.
Oh, of course, "It's an involved question really." If I tried a stunt like this you'd scream "obfuscation" before I even hit the submit key. Looking at the words that Marx wrote, he expressed opinions very much in keeping with many of the opinions expressed here.
If you are going to get into the intellectual roots of Marxism though, I'm sure a master of distraction...
All I'm doing is responding to what's quoted here. You guys seem to be the ones who want to branch off into other directions. In fact, this whole converstation began because No.cal.skin wanted to take issue with an aside. Well, that's fine; I'll play ball, but don't start whining about it to me. I didn't start this.
**...like you would have to bring up Richard Wurmbrand's book "Marx and Satan", where he argues all of early Communists were secret and not so secret occultists.
Wurmbrand seemed to think all these apparent contridictions in Marxists was mere the result of their Satanic patterns of thought.**
Well, plenty of racialists are occultists, too. Even the top dog, ol' Adolph himself, had some rather goofy ideas. I guess they and Marx are much closer than they thought.
BTW, I'll have to compare your replies with Wurmbrand's profiling. ;)
Knock yourself out.
Best, P
2003-01-31 15:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by Current93@Jan 30 2003, 18:40 ** Philip Weiss bragged about the Jews being the force behind feminism, see quote earlier on this thread. **
One reporter blowing his own horn isn't proof. The trends go back to century before last and are tied to technological advance. There were a lot of obnoxious Jewish feminists, but they were pushing against an open door.
Who owns the media that pushed all this stuff?
Do they own the media in Tokyo, Taipei and Singapore?
What group is based on a matriarchal model?
Though "Jewishness" is determined by matrilineal descent, traditional Jewish governance is still very patriarchal. Which brings up a funny point. In other areas you guys bellyache about Jewish culture being responsible for misogyny, and out come the hymns to Tacitus' Germans, accompanied by paeans to Boadiccea. Here, they're guilty of making the wimmin-folk all uppity. Well, which is it, boys?
Best, P
2003-01-31 15:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Jan 30 2003, 23:03 ** This is one of the hallmarks of a genuine Aryan Master Race, people!! No Japan or China or Singapore can match this, because though their streets are cleaner they are not Aryans. Hindus are, and eventually you will see their superiority shine through. **
Please, Bollywood has its share of sex and violence. They don't have outright nudity, but they get around that by using flimsy clothes and rainy scenes.
As to India's resistance to the ill-effects of technology, while the poorer folk kill of their girls with outright infanticide, the wealthier do it though abortion.
Best, P
2003-01-31 15:51 | User Profile
**Kevin MacDonald of course has a fairly lengthy analysis of Karl Marx's relationship to Judaism in CoC. Like alot of Marx's stands, it was rather ambiguous. **
And actions speak louder than words. MacDonald notes that Marx created an ideology that, in practice, was used to facilitate the continuity of the Jewish group while delegitimizing the ethnic identities of all other groups.
2003-01-31 16:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 31 2003, 09:51 ** > **Kevin MacDonald of course has a fairly lengthy analysis of Karl Marx's relationship to Judaism in CoC. Like alot of Marx's stands, it was rather ambiguous. **
And actions speak louder than words. MacDonald notes that Marx created an ideology that, in practice, was used to facilitate the continuity of the Jewish group while delegitimizing the ethnic identities of all other groups. **
By killing them off? The Bolshevik Evsektsiia decimated traditional Jews and then in the 50s Communism turned on the secular Jews as well. By 1991 there were only 1-1/2 million Jews in the Soviet Union as compared to nearly 3 million when the whole mess began, and many of those Jews intermarried (thus all the squaking in Israel about non-Jewish immigration).
Some help.
Best, P
2003-01-31 17:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by Current93@Jan 31 2003, 11:15 ** The Italian journalist Orianna Fallacci once wondered why it was that Women's Liberation movement arose in 1970s America where she said women had it best of all. **
Good grief. Why are rich children the most demanding when they have it best of all?
The reason American women were the noisiest was exactly because they were in such a good position. Technology changed the nature of work and housework making the latter far more easy and former more accessible than it had ever been before. This happened first in America, then Europe and now Asia. As technology advances, the opportunities for women correspondingly rise.
Best, P
2003-01-31 18:18 | User Profile
**Good article today in the Wall Street Journal about Singapore having trouble reproducing. Average children per woman has fallen from 4 in 1960 to about 1.5 in 2000. **
I think you'll find that's just the Chinese women, Jay. The Malays and Indians are still going at it hammer and tongs.
2003-01-31 21:18 | User Profile
No, the real reason that American women are so noisy about feminism and women's rights is because our Jewish-saturated popular culture [repeat, popular culture] has convinced them that they are not fulfilled unless they are out having "a career."
Yep -- just stick little Johnny in a day-care center and go play man-at-work. Better yet, don't have any kids at all!
Thanks, Jews, for screwing up our country. Will remember that when It comes...
2003-01-31 21:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Jan 31 2003, 15:18 ** No, the real reason that American women are so noisy about feminism and women's rights is because our Jewish-saturated popular culture [repeat, popular culture] has convinced them that they are not fulfilled unless they are out having "a career."
Yep -- just stick little Johnny in a day-care center and go play man-at-work. Better yet, don't have any kids at all!
Thanks, Jews, for screwing up our country. Will remember that when It comes... **
Who are the Asians going to blame?
-Jay
2003-01-31 22:05 | User Profile
jay -- the Asians will blame America's exportation-via-film of Jewish-pushed feminism around the world. America's main export is Jewish ideas: leftism, Marxism, feminism, conglomerates, Big Credit Banking, egalitarian "democracy," and other neat-o Jew stuff.
New slogan I just invented: "Fight Hate -- Punch a Rabbi." Gonna tm it!