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Thread ID: 4651 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2003-01-28
2003-01-28 02:53 | User Profile
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On the death of British WWII historian Hugh Trevor-Roper, David Irving has posted notes of his 1968 meeting with TR in which TR disclosed evidence for the postwar survival of Martin Bormann. TR was approached in 1960 by someone who traveled to England from America simply to have a conversation with him. The following is an excerpt from DI's notes:
This man asked him "Suppose BORMANN were alive - would you be prepared to meet him in confidence?" This took T.R. so much aback that he asked for a day or two to think it over. In the meantime he took advice from "those with whom he had worked during the war" - i.e. the Intelligence service - and asked them what he should do. On no account would he be party to an ambush. The British authorities told him that as long as such a meeting took place outside British territory it was no concern of theirs, and he could go ahead as far as they were concerned. Accordingly, T.R. told the intermediary, who duly turned up at the appointed hour, that he was prepared to meet BORMANN. However, that was the last he heard for almost at the same time, EICHMANN was captured, and the whole episode leading to his sentencing and execution took place. This must have thoroughly scared BORMANN, who had earlier presumably thought that the atmosphere against Nazi criminals was softening. A dead silence followed. T.R. knows more about this, and about BORMANN's escape, but he is not prepared to talk more about it.
2003-01-28 04:53 | User Profile
Thanks for posting this. Fascinating.
2003-01-28 07:19 | User Profile
Yes - it is a real mystery how it is that the full story of the Odessa network has never seen the light. You can't help feeling that it is being suppressed for some reason. But why would the Traditional Enemies feel the need? The mind boggles.
Regarding Trevor-Roper, it is quite wry that all the British papers led their announcement of his passing with something along the lines of "Hitler Diaries prof snuffs it". Not much of a send off for the erstwhile Oxford Regius Professor of History, eh?
Incidentally, the story of the Hitler Diaries, with cameo appearances by David Irving, Trevor-Roper, Rupert Murdoch et al, is very entertainlngly told by Robert Harris, in his "Selling Hitler". Highly recommended.
2003-01-28 14:15 | User Profile
I wonder what to make, then, of the "news" that they supposedly found Bormann's skull underneath a bridge in Berlin a few years ago, bits of glass from a cyanide ampule in its teeth? It would be something if that turned out to be a hoax perpetrated by a still-intact ODESSA, or God knows who.
We might be in for a real bombshell one day.
2003-01-28 16:52 | User Profile
...the full story of the Odessa network has never seen the light. You can't help feeling that it is being suppressed for some reason. But why would the Traditional Enemies feel the need?
Dan me lad, it only clouds up further when you realize that the Eichmann capture and trial was the signal event that immediately preceded the birth of the official term Holocaust™ and the subsequent explosion in the Jews-as-victims-of-gentile-evil mythology we have been drowning in ever since. At no point during the actual war did Hitler & his cronies become the one-size-fits-all embodiment of Human Evil that they would starting from the early 60s; by now, of course, it's gotten so out of hand you could write a book detailing how Herr Hitler also had found time to hide in the barn and spook Mrs O'Leary's cow and sock away a five-figure advance for it.
One might think that the state of Israel had to do a bit of inventing and manipulating back then to properly stoke up the target audience. "Manhunts" for long-dead Nazis included.
2003-01-28 23:44 | User Profile
Hmmm, interesting i.r.
You seem to be hinting in an ever so round-about way that Odessa was a Mossad production.
I think it is more likely a product of the British Ministry of Disinformation and Dirty Tricks designed to fool the gullible Yanks into taking a more active interest in their own backyard.
Building cleverly on a kernel of truth, a trickle of fleeing functionaries can be turned into a raging flood, and a handful of bribes can magically transmute into submarines full of looted Jewish gold.
2003-01-29 03:20 | User Profile
Wintermute, perhaps the following will shed some light:
[url=http://www.sup.org/cgi-bin/search/book_desc.cgi?book_id=1929]http://www.sup.org/cgi-bin/search/book_des...gi?book_id=1929[/url]
Per Newton: "..... the historical record has been left booby-trapped with an extraordinary number of hoaxes, forgeries, unanswered propaganda ploys, and assorted dirty tricks."
Sniffs a little perfidious, what?