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2003-01-21 15:37 | User Profile
Darkeddy: But I do not appreciate intolerance concerning divergent analyses of what is broken and what can be set right. G'morning darkeddy.
I think one reason you're getting so much... static... from folks, is once you've read a LOT (and it takes a LOT, because so much of it is...hidden.. or really hard to hear), there really isn't any question that there IS a.. hehe... vast jewish conspiracy.... (without (probably) actually being a conspiracy, just an inherent tendency to parasitize the host group). (We KNOW what's broken, and who broke it!!)
It turns out, once you've: [list]read McDonald (or, as much as I've done so far, which is the preface to his third book, which is posted on the web) researched the "holyhoax" (This, especially: and OH MAN! It's so FALSE! Go read Butzââ¬â¢s book, itââ¬â¢s online now too.) found out how the jews created so many of the methods of destruction (Franz Boaz, ââ¬Åcivil rights,ââ¬Â Frankfurt School, Margaret Mead -- hell Communism!) Discovered that feminism is a jewish/communist tactic that destroyed American/western families Discovered that the NAACP and other ââ¬Årace rightsââ¬Â groups were set up and run by jews, not the affected ethnics (hell, the NAACP had a jewish president (not much publicized) until, what was it, the 1960s?! The ââ¬Ëchairââ¬â¢ or whatever was black -- a figurehead; the group and all its damage to our society was jew-founded, jew-run!) Learned that ââ¬ÅImmigration reformââ¬Â was a jewish program And on and on[/list] you find out that there really is one root cause (well, besides the individualistic idiocy of white/Euro men who ALLOWED the destruction).
The people on this forum, for the most part, seem to have discovered that ALL of the programs of destruction of American/western civilization seems to have come from/been run by/been established and pushed by JEWS! And not a smoke-filled-room type conspiracy. Ask your jewish friends about ANY program that is harming America, and youââ¬â¢ll find they support it, they vote for it, they fund it (and often with OUR money! <_< ). Ask them if America should drop israel when itââ¬â¢s clear israel is harming America ââ¬â and, except for the so very few anti-zionists, to a man and woman, they will recoil in horror at the thought.
(They act in concert without having to be "organized" into groups, because they all (okay, an exaggeration, but the majority of them...) want the same things, are raised to support the push for the same things, and vote and reward/punish the same things. Is it genetic? Who knows, who cares -- isn't it enough that is IS true!)
You keep trying to convince us that ââ¬Åjews ainââ¬â¢t that bad.ââ¬Â But we have learned different! That jews ââ¬Ëlookââ¬â¢ white and even act white doesnââ¬â¢t mean they ARE white! Infiltrators, spies, assassins (how do YOU feel about them committing murders... er, targeted assassinations... here on AMERICAN soil? Ask your jewish friends about that ââ¬â see if they donââ¬â¢t try to justify the murders because ââ¬Åisrael is threatened.ââ¬Â
When you try to bring ââ¬Ëbalanceââ¬â¢ to the discussion of these destructions being wrought, when you try to suggest that itââ¬â¢s NOT the jews who are pushing all these destructions on us (however much it seems like some third-party is doing it), most folks on this forum are going to knock it... Your idea of larger white families is great ââ¬â but as long as the country is in the grip of a cowbird, the nest-owners (thatââ¬â¢s US) are going to be raising food for the cowbird chicks, or just another flock of cowbirds!
2003-01-21 21:08 | User Profile
In reply to Avalance, I will mention that I do not think I have been repeatedly trying to convince you all that your antagonism toward Judaism isn't justified. I have simply tried to make clear that I don't agree with your view of the Jews; I agree with you in other areas, such as the need to limit 3rd world immigration and the US federal government. Since neither you nor I is going to change the other's view of the Jews, we must simply agree to disagree and see if further agreement in other areas is possible.
In reply, to Okiedust--yes, you personally struck me as intolerant of views that did not fit your ideology, but which are no less firmly established than the views which fill this ideology. As for everyone else--I wasn't making any claims here, please do not assume a 'we.'
Finally, as to everyone else: I thought the point about neocons distorting ideas was very funny. I hope it isn't true, in the sense that I hope many neocons are caught up in ideology that appeals to them at the moment, but is not always so deeply rooted and can be modified into something useful.
I totally agree that we need to focus on immigration and the nanny state. But we need to offer reasons for why we are doing this. If people get the idea that just limiting immigration wont keep whites from becoming an 'enslaved' minority, they might look to more radical, neocon solice, rather than toward the idea of maintaining white demographics at acceptable levels. So too with the nanny state--people like big brother. They like welfare, and heathcare, and all the rest of it. Also, they feel very guilty about taking it away from others even when they don't like it for themselves. Thus they need additional reasons for curbing welfare and the size of governement--just talking about 'family values' and 'growth' doesn't resonate with enough people any longer as having to do with the fate of whites in particular.
2003-01-21 21:51 | User Profile
Since neither you nor I is going to change the other's view of the Jews
How can you be so sure?
2003-01-21 22:00 | User Profile
Since neither you nor I is going to change the other's view of the Jews...
Behavior needs to change before a change in opinion follows.
2003-01-21 22:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 21 2003, 15:51 ** > Since neither you nor I is going to change the other's view of the Jews
How can you be so sure? **
I am not totally certain here, but it seems a fair assumption, at least if one adds that, at any rate, Avalanche and I are unlikely to change the other's views on this subject very much.
Beyond that, I have to admit that I really don't like talking about Jews or Judaism. Every forum where I talk about the white birth rate, the replies are peppered with anti-Semitic comments, often of the looney-toons sort. It just wears me out.
2003-01-21 23:10 | User Profile
As I implied, I am sick of talking about anti-Semitism (and thus Jews) because I feel that this distracts from issues of immigration and demographics. (Obviously, others don't agree that this is a real distraction, but I have concluded, that--on balance--it is.)
2003-01-22 00:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Jan 21 2003, 23:24 ** > **(Obviously, others don't agree that this is a real distraction, but I have concluded, that--on balance--it is.) **
Have you read Kevin MacDonald on Jews and American Immigration policy?
Wintermute **
That was the first question I asked him on this thread.
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=5438&st=0]Toward a Jewish-White Nationalist Alliance[/url]
His eliptical answer is rather revealing about his basic prejudices.
Maybe we should call him "reuben-ban" :lol:
2003-01-22 00:46 | User Profile
I've always felt our rich diversity was our greatest strength.
2003-01-22 00:47 | User Profile
Avalanche and I are unlikely to change the other's views on this subject very much
Why are you so confident that your views will not change?
2003-01-22 01:37 | User Profile
Darkeddy --
Here is a reading assigment for you.
1) Protocols of Zion
2) The International Jew by Henry Ford
3) The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements by Kevin MacDonald
4) Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About the U.S.-Israeli Relationship by Paul Findley
5) They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby by Paul Findley
6) The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy, Theodore J. Okeefe
7) My Awakening by David Duke (pp 217-450)
Then, here my concerns over Israel, Zionists, et. al.:
1)Israel disproportionately receives more U.S. aid than any other nation or amount of people on earth; 2) Zionists and Liberal Jews have (from MY point of view) a detrimental effect on MY conservative, Christian view of American society (ADL; NAACP; ACLU; SPLC); 3) have too much influence and power over and in Washington, DC (AIPAC) and the American news and entertainment industries as well; 4) the American-Israeli relationship is costing the U.S. too much in terms of money and international relations (when Muslim fanatics see the U.S. flag they think Israel and, really, they are not wrong); 5) they contributed more than is generally known towards world tragedies which also hurt their own: the Russian Revolution, WWI, and WWII; 6) the idea of the U.N. creating a country for the specific benefit of a particular group of people on land primarily inhabited by other people does not sit well with me; 7) Israel killed 34 American sailors and claimed they thought for three hours it was an Egyptian tugboat or something -- our government went along with this; 8) the Israelis HAVE been and are now treating the Palestinians like dog crap; 9) the Israelis have been selling top American military technology to China; 10) Israelis, liberal Jews and Zionists are arrogant, self serving bast**ds as are supporters thereof.
2003-01-22 01:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by w.bales@Jan 21 2003, 21:37 ** Darkeddy --
Here is a reading assigment for you.
1) Protocols of Zion
2) The International Jew by Henry Ford
3) The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements by Kevin MacDonald
4) Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About the U.S.-Israeli Relationship by Paul Findley
5) They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby by Paul Findley
6) The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy, Theodore J. Okeefe
7) My Awakening by David Duke (pp 217-450) **
I'd have to say that some random TV viewing and a single issue of Forward should do it...
2003-01-22 03:07 | User Profile
Or a little lurking on FreeRepublic....
2003-01-22 03:26 | User Profile
**Or a little lurking on FreeRepublic.... **
ROFL
2003-01-22 03:42 | User Profile
OK, Avalance. (Avalanche? Av.. you aren't The One, are you?)
Listen, I had this one really tiny point, though, connected with what are called "womens issues", which usually don't arise on this board, but TD says diversity is strength, so hats off to you for that post. Incredible.
I think you might know what it is, and wanted to just skip it, and so do I. But we must think of others, a little bit. Please don't get all bent out of shape, now, but its the "a" word. As in "reproductive rights"?
My political effort is to try to keep it out of public discourse as much as possible. So many lies have been packed into the construction of discourse around the issue that whoever predicates on it is obliged to "do a number". That is what darkeddy should have said about the drag it was for him to speak about the jewish question everytime he addressed anything -- that it forces him to "do a number". (To which it may be aptly replied...watch out for Av...she likes to see tap-dancing.)
There was the claim made, you must know, by recently deceased John Archbiship O'Connor, to the affect that abortion clinics compared with Nazi gas chambers; "killing the unborn" is like "killing Jews" in the holocaust. This needs bringing up because, even though it makes no more sense taken literally, if one stops to think about it, than Rush Limbaugh's equation of feminists and Nazis in his (in-)famous "feminazi" rant, it set up a false verbal umbilicus -- between Catholic opposition to abortion -- by no means a universal traditional teaching, much less an ex cathedra dogma; rather, a recent propaganda tool to whip "liberal" ones of that faith, like Cuomo and Mondale's running mate (?forgot her name) into line, by having them publically defend "killing babies" .....and "the religious right", so-called and so-created by the mainstream media, which can't keep its cameras out of crotches, or its head out of cures for breast cancer (yep, "soft on breast cancer" was the charge in the NY State primary that did in "Honest John" McCain, in the '00 Republican primary campaign -- after South Carolina traitors connived to set up a phoney "anti-Catholic" slur on Bob Jones University, for Bush to careen off of, in UpState NY, which won the nomination for him and put out McCain's fire)
Well, we both know, being adults having come to understand such things, that little fetuses, growing in wombs, are a far, far cry from real babies. Anyone who has taken care of a real one, even for one day would attest. Not the same creatures. Therefore, a predicate proper to one, as "killing" is to babies, say when their skull is cracked open with a skillet, or however, is not appropriate to the other -- the careful surgical extraction of a not-yet-viable embryo. That is not "killing a baby". Those who perform the procedure are not murderers. Rather, those who inject the procedure into the public eye in order to call themselves "Pro-life" by opposing the grotesque procedure sometimes required in partial birth abortions (keep the nazis from squeezing the heads off those little, squirmy Jews; or is it the opposite?) are the ones with depraved minds, "dumping" their own Nazi-Vietnam guilt, at the unconscious level, into Jews, fantasized as the Nazi abortionists killing themselves! A solid round of pretzled-out reasoning, if there ever was one, easily "proved" by exhibiting disgusting pictures on TV.,
The issue is a tricked-up communication bridge, to fuse protestant-secular conservatives, who didn't get worked up about the issue until after the Vietnam war, when "anti-Life" became their real name -- with the other religion's hang-ups. I have analyzed this "blood-Jesus" identification both share, as a type spiritual understranding, elsewhere. The ever-trusting, but gullible southerner, many of who must be respected for genuine philosophical and/or spiritual (not: scriptural -- I defy anone to cite a passage clearly interpreted as forbiding abordions) personal commitments, are taken in by making it a federal issue. Its as if the Bible's author's had a sense of personal dignity about these matters, and did not bring them up. It takes a neocon Republican...).
Amnesty intranational would include liberal Jews, if they dared speak up. Is that what darkeddy is saying? if so, he should change his colors, give up the ghost of Sharon, and follow us -- but no backdoor passes to heaven, right Avalance? boy, its good to know there are some you can still count on to come through. Please replace Paula Zahn. And/or that dippy broad on Fox (all of them). (That one Imus found for MSNBC is fine, though.) We've got to get beyond Betty Boop and the Choisters. Glad you are with us.
2003-01-22 03:53 | User Profile
** Dark eddy: As I implied, I am sick of talking about anti-Semitism (and thus Jews) because I feel that this distracts from issues of immigration and demographics. (Obviously, others don't agree that this is a real distraction, but I have concluded, that--on balance--it is.) **
The logic of this is a little... disturbing: I'm sick of talking about cells metasticizing (and thus the cancer) because I feel this distracts from issues of too few vitamins and my general health.
I'm sick of talking about unintended marks on the wall (and thus children with crayons) because I feel this distracts from issues of furniture placement and room themes.
I'm sick of talking about racism (and thus blacks in this society) because I feel this distracts from issues of interracial crime and miscegenation.
I'm sick of talking about AA (and thus alcoholism) because I feel this distracts from issues of blackouts and cyrhosis.
I'm sick of talking about _ (and thus _) because I feel this distracts from issues of _____.
Darkeddy, I think you'll find many people on this forum (including ME :D ) WILL keep responding to your messages and opinions with 'talking about jews' because jews are the underlying CAUSE of a LOT of the things we discuss here! The thread that sews it all up IS the jews... You keep trying to discuss the symptoms of the disease (in isolation, without reference to or recognition of the disease!) , and we're the doctors trying to get you to recognize the disease itself!! Healing the symptoms WON'T stop the disease, and the illness will just kill you some other way! And you can't reasonably discuss the symptoms withOUT identifying the disease!
I hope it won't drive you away, but there's no way AROUND it!
2003-01-22 04:20 | User Profile
wombatnine: OK, Avalance. (Avalanche? Av.. you aren't The One, are you?) Iââ¬â¢m The One what?
** Listen, I had this one really tiny point, though, connected with what are called "womens issues", which usually don't arise on this board, but TD says diversity is strength, so hats off to you for that post. Incredible.**
Thanks, I wish it were possible to get more women interested in this stuff, and willing to discuss it, but a woman has to be willing to be... seriously disliked.... to freely discuss this stuff! (
** I think you might know what it is, and wanted to just skip it, and so do I. But we must think of others, a little bit. Please don't get all bent out of shape, now, but itââ¬â¢s the "a" word. As in "reproductive rights"? And your question is? ** My political effort is to try to keep it out of public discourse as much as possible. ... ** Iââ¬â¢m all for that.. There is no resolving a difference of such fundamental beliefs. That is what darkeddy should have said about the drag it was for him to speak about the jewish question every time he addressed anything -- that it forces him to "do a number". (To which it may be aptly replied...watch out for Av...she likes to see tap-dancing.) I do? I want darkeddy (and anyone else who has NOT done the reading and awakened to the truth), to DO the reading, even if itââ¬â¢s just David Dukeââ¬â¢s book (an extremely worthwhile primer, although he only goes part of the way economically and sociologically...). I think darkeddy has gotten a HUGE way along the path to knowledge, and Iââ¬â¢m trying to both chivvy him on, and support him in looking further... Iââ¬â¢m hopeful lurkers (esp. women) who havenââ¬â¢t done the reading will be intrigued to start... I donââ¬â¢t ask ANYone to dance, merely look over the ââ¬Ëscoreââ¬â¢ to see if the music rings true! ** There was the claim made, you must know, by recently deceased John Archbiship O'Connor, to the affect that abortion clinics compared with Nazi gas chambers; "killing the unborn" is like "killing Jews" in the holocaust. This needs bringing up because, even though it makes no more sense taken literally, if one stops to think about it, than Rush Limbaugh's equation of feminists and Nazis in his (in-)famous "feminazi" rant, it set up a false verbal umbilicus -- between Catholic opposition to abortion - and how better to smear both conservative women AND the Catholic Church?! Rush Limbaugh is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the program to destroy the country.. He is the loyal (indeed CONTROLLED) opposition! He is a way to infiltrate and destroy whatââ¬â¢s left of the conservative movement! (Wanna hear a funny? When I moved to Atlanta to marry NeoNietzsche, he and his employee listened to limbaugh (by default of anyone else on the radio at that time). I made them turn him off because he was mean and bad and too far right for me!. Within three years of reading and discussing and learning, I found him to be stupid, misled and misleading, and WAY TOO liberal for me! So I have slid WAY over on the ââ¬Ëscaleââ¬â¢ ââ¬â probably pretty close to OFF on the right!) ** Well, we both know, being adults having come to understand such things, that little fetuses, growing in wombs, are a far, far cry from real babies. .... A solid round of pretzled-out reasoning, if there ever was one, easily "proved" by exhibiting disgusting pictures on TV.** Okay, so both sides use propaganda... And thatââ¬â¢s a surprise? ** The issue is a tricked-up communication bridge, to fuse protestant-secular conservatives, who didn't get worked up about the issue until after the Vietnam war, when "anti-Life" became their real name -- with the other religion's hang-ups. I have analyzed this "blood-Jesus" identification both share, as a type spiritual understanding, elsewhere. The ever-trusting, but gullible southerner, many of who must be respected for genuine philosophical and/or spiritual (not: scriptural -- I defy anyone to cite a passage clearly interpreted as forbiding abortions) personal commitments, are taken in by making it a federal issue. Its as if the Bible's author's had a sense of personal dignity about these matters, and did not bring them up. It takes a neocon Republican...). Amnesty intranational would include liberal Jews, if they dared speak up. Is that what darkeddy is saying? if so, he should change his colors, give up the ghost of Sharon, and follow us -- but no backdoor passes to heaven, right Avalance? boy, its good to know there are some you can still count on to come through. Please replace Paula Zahn. And/or that dippy broad on Fox (all of them). (That one Imus found for MSNBC is fine, though.) We've got to get beyond Betty Boop and the Choisters. Glad you are with us. **
Well, wombatnine, I think you can now safely take over in Mad Georgeââ¬â¢s place (now that heââ¬â¢s come all sane for us!) Um, was there a point to all that? I read it (twice) carefully, and Iââ¬â¢m not sure what you mean for me to address (did you mean for me to address something?) Oh, are you maybe suggesting I should add the so-called ââ¬Åright to abortionââ¬Â to the list of jewish ââ¬Åcrimesââ¬Â? Are you asking where I stand on the issue?
I'm glad I with y'all too, even if I'm sometimes a little baffled :D :D
2003-01-22 05:04 | User Profile
Originally posted by weisbrot@Jan 22 2003, 01:40 ** > Originally posted by w.bales@Jan 21 2003, 21:37 ** Darkeddy --
Here is a reading assigment for you.
1)ÃÂ Protocols of Zion........ **
I'd have to say that some random TV viewing and a single issue of Forward should do it... **
I'm a bit worried about DarkEddy. We've given him so much stuff to read, he seems to have disappeared. :D
2003-01-22 05:28 | User Profile
I am finding that posting on the Internet is a lot cheaper than Blockbuster's. But occasionally I have to, you know, do work, eat, talk with people face to face, that sort of thing.
I am afraid I have neither the time nor the money to engage in the extensive reading project some have suggested. When it comes to authors such as David Duke, I must admit that also don't have the inclination. Such is life: so little time, so much to evaluate and take-in.
I think you might want to consider that anti-Semitism is a big distraction. Wealth GOPers probably pay David Duke to write his stuff, so that no organized movement to anti-white racism can evolve--they want their cheap foreign labor, after all. Not to mention a global monoculture shaped in the corporate image--economy of scale and by-the-rules marketing for all the new mezzo-race serfs... what a profitable world.
I know, I know--really the Jews paid Duke. They just want the attention....
2003-01-22 06:15 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 22 2003, 03:53
The logic of this is a little... disturbing: I'm sick of talking about cells metasticizing (and thus the cancer) because I feel this distracts from issues of too few vitamins and my general health.
The thread that sews it all up IS the jews... You keep trying to discuss the symptoms of the disease (in isolation, without reference to or recognition of the disease!) , and we're the doctors trying to get you to recognize the disease itself!! Healing the symptoms WON'T stop the disease, and the illness will just kill you some other way! And you can't reasonably discuss the symptoms withOUT identifying the disease!
Very well put, Avalanche.
More broadly, I'm a nationalist and recognize the Natural Law right of each ethnicity to a measure of cultural autonomy of territorial sovereignty. Just as the Jews have a right to their own country, so do Americans - the American nation always (until 1964) having been understood to mean the loyal European, Christian and English-speaking population of our country.
I don't consider myself an anti-Semite. I merely recognize the awful truth about the Jews and their ruinous influence on our nation. The truth can't be "anti-Semitic."
Walter
2003-01-22 06:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by darkeddy@Jan 22 2003, 05:28 **I am finding that posting on the Internet is a lot cheaper than Blockbuster's. **
And we are finding, at least in your case, that you definitely get what you pay for.
I am afraid I have neither the time nor the money to engage in the extensive reading project some have suggested. When it comes to authors such as David Duke, I must admit that also don't have the inclination. Such is life: so little time, so much to evaluate and take-in.
Lack of time doesn't seem to keep you from forming ignorant opinions, or expressing them by posting. Tell me, where DO yo get your opinions. The ones you have right now.
As for reeducation, personally, I'm partial most to the MacDonald books. Some of it is even on line, if the problem is getting to the library. But I doubt that either time or money is the big thing holding you up and continuing to maintain your ignorance.
Please, does anyone have any books with more pictures for Dark Eddy? I suspect he'd prefer the kind of pictures he can color :lol:
2003-01-22 17:15 | User Profile
"Are you the One?" -- don't you remember Keannu Reeves in that movie where all the people-looking images were really non-existent computer programs? like avatars on discussions boards come to life somewhere?
Geez, I was just asking. He seemed to be ....diffferent. almost human.
But, your right. That long blog at the end was for theory and general eddyfication, not you individually per se. There is what is called a "blood-Jesus" spirituality-- for women, it would connect, mythically, with menses-Goddesses, Black Widow Spiders and Inanna/Ishtar. You win bliss by shedding your blood and getting to be a martyr, like He was. Like, be a good Lamb. Wins salvation. Way to be, inside. No. Ask NeoNietzsche.
The point was to show how abortion was introduced, or got introduced and picked up on, as a substitute for Vietnam war guilt. Like "we aren't pathologial liars and psychotic killers who just up and send kids over to slaughter enemies of the Pope for no reason other than slaughtering kids, other religions, democracy, decency and taking over the politics of the United States. Noo." Thats what I meant by saying Kissinger's Vietnam war policy Pro-Death. But, Walla! The ones who sent the American youth, and their high ideals to fight over there, like White Boots Marching in a Yellow Land, were the least worthy forms of virus existence that ever diseased a land; so, getting their eye on that magical spot on earth where all life miraculously begins, THEY DISCOVER THAT BY BEING ANTI-ABORTION, THEY CAN BE "PRO-LIFE"! FROM NOW ON, JUST BY BEING CONSERVATIVE, AND GOING WITH THE POPE, THET DON'T HAVE TO BE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS AND PSYCHOTIC KILLERS SENDING YOUTH TO DIE ON FOREIGN SOIL. THEY CAN BE PRO-LIFE! Of course, the little squirmy, slimy pieces of tissue Radall Terry tried to slip to the President, however he came by it, not much life to substitutute for over 50,000 who made it a lot further down the line than little fertilized blobs.
No, I don't care what your personal opinions are on abortion, Avalance. I just don' want you to think you can sling your slong over to the PRO-LIFE political types, who are probably the ones who sent the weaponized anthrax to liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle, or connected with them. Do you approve of that?
The stuff about fetal-placental imprints, umbilici, birth trauma, are all related to deep, original unconscious fantasies that all share, who have been born of woman. Our previously unknown, but universallly dreamed/imagined (as all "heavenly" -- but there is pain, writhing, and twisting in there, too -- please see Lloyd deMause, Foundations of Psychohistory, if interested) life-before-birth, repeated compulsively (=repetition-compulsion -- the irrational compulsion to repeat the same blood-letting, over ana over and over... until the trauma is undone, "peace" is restored, "the enemy" (= the poisnous placenta returned in fantasty, forever being "fought off", "killed", symbolically, in every "poisoner" = Jews of pure "Aryan blood" = Saddam Hussein of "his own people"; the source of every "monster" use to frighten a child, and the source of every terror of monsters picked up by children, imposed by adults -- it has a psycho-physiological basis).
Then the world pays the price of shaming little boys who have to grow up somehow or another, having forgotten
2003-01-22 18:43 | User Profile
Originally posted by wombatnine@Jan 22 2003, 11:15 **THEY DISCOVER THAT BY BEING ANTI-ABORTION, THEY CAN BE "PRO-LIFE"! FROM NOW ON, JUST BY BEING CONSERVATIVE, AND GOING WITH THE POPE, THET DON'T HAVE TO BE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS AND PSYCHOTIC KILLERS SENDING YOUTH TO DIE ON FOREIGN SOIL. THEY CAN BE PRO-LIFE! **
Not completely sure what your entire post is about, wombatnine, but I will say this: Life begins at conception and I consider myself 100% pure pro-life and I do not support sending our boys to fight and die on foreign soil in unjust wars. In addition, I am not a Catholic, but I do commend the current pope for holding the line on the sanctity of life issue. There can be no retreat or quarter given on that fundamental principle.
2003-01-22 19:28 | User Profile
I don't have much of an opinion on the Jewish question. Several of my buddies are Jewish and they are really hilarious people. I view the group the same way I view blacks & hispanics: as opposition to the society and culture I value.
Really, there's no difference between people that oppose me. You can say that they have disproportionate power in regards to opinion-formation, but at 2% of the population they have no voting power. Blacks do (10% in every election), so you need both to oppose me.
I like conservative Jews a hell of a lot better than liberal fanatical white liberal single abortion-loving self-hating women.
-Jay
2003-01-22 20:42 | User Profile
It is one thing to acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements" that have been bestown upon this country in the past 40+ years, but it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts. Lindersite may overlook everybody else and put all its fingers on the Jews, but that is sheer narrow-mindedness. For every Jew behind the dark cloud, there's a Negro (Jackson, Sharpton, Berry, etc.), Goy (Boosh, Michael Moore, etc.), get the idea??
2003-01-22 20:56 | User Profile
I agree, Robbie. I read LInder's site before (can't say I like it that much, but that's just me) - always says, "Name the Jew"
Well, fine. Do it, Mr Linder. But I'm going to name the white man, the black man, the asian man, whoever it may be that helps destroy my culture. And credit the Jew, white, black, asian, whoever that supports traditional America and the constitution, whoever they may be.
-Jay
2003-01-22 21:11 | User Profile
First, I thank Avalanche for being aware of The Judenrodent and saying so in print. And she's a girl, no less -- meaning that most women have a blind spot when it comes to Da Hebe, or race in general.
Second, Jay completely fails to understand the true nature of Jews as a race. Jews have indeed SPEARHEADED most horrible movements in the West. How he fails to see this -- that one race has led the war again White culture -- I do not understand.
Third, VNN is the only website that seems to understand that we must-must-must NAME THE JEW. That is the taproot. Sure, various leftists are among us, but who created the leftist movement in the West as we know it? Jews, again the taproot. Again, again, again....
Also, "right-wing Jews" give us Zionism and also run shellgames for their racial kin by yelling "anti-Semitism" when we WNs tell the truth. Jews are Jews. Left, right, Jews are in the game by race, as a race. Nationalism is NOT political, it is RACIAL.
VNN knows that you do not say, "the feminist movement," you say instead "the Jewish-created-and-led feminist movement." See the big diff? Good.
Now, that will be $5. Send it to....
2003-01-22 21:55 | User Profile
wombatnine: "Are you the One?" -- don't you remember Keannu Reeves in that movie where all the people-looking images were really non-existent computer programs? like avatars on discussions boards come to life somewhere? Mad Wombat: Ah, great movie... Iââ¬â¢ve never thought of myself as ââ¬ÅThe one,ââ¬Â just ââ¬Åone ofââ¬Â... I donââ¬â¢t think I come to life here, nor is my avatar the current me, although it IS a previous me.... Alternate time stream???
** But, youââ¬â¢re right. That long blog at the end was for theory and general eddyfication, not you individually per se. There is what is called a "blood-Jesus" spirituality-- for women, it would connect, mythically, with menses-Goddesses, Black Widow Spiders and Inanna/Ishtar. You win bliss by shedding your blood and getting to be a martyr, like He was. Like, be a good Lamb. Wins salvation. Way to be, inside. No. Ask NeoNietzsche.** ??! Never heard of it... (Neither had NeoN, I asked...) And thereââ¬â¢s nothing martyr-ish about menses and goddesses (at least not for women, only for consorts...).
** The point was to show how abortion was introduced, or got introduced and picked up on, as a substitute for Vietnam war guilt. Like "we aren't pathological liars and psychotic killers who just up and send kids over to slaughter enemies of the Pope for no reason other than slaughtering kids, other religions, democracy, decency and taking over the politics of the United States. Noo." Thatââ¬â¢s what I meant by saying Kissinger's Vietnam war policy Pro-Death. But, Walla! The ones who sent the American youth, and their high ideals to fight over there, like White Boots Marching in a Yellow Land, were the least worthy forms of virus existence that ever diseased a land; so, getting their eye on that magical spot on earth where all life miraculously begins, THEY DISCOVER THAT BY BEING ANTI-ABORTION, THEY CAN BE "PRO-LIFE"! FROM NOW ON, JUST BY BEING CONSERVATIVE, AND GOING WITH THE POPE, THET DON'T HAVE TO BE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS AND PSYCHOTIC KILLERS SENDING YOUTH TO DIE ON FOREIGN SOIL. THEY CAN BE PRO-LIFE! Of course, the little squirmy, slimy pieces of tissue Randall Terry tried to slip to the President, however he came by it, not much life to substitutute for over 50,000 who made it a lot further down the line than little fertilized blobs.** No, I donââ¬â¢t think the two belong together at all... The Viet Nam war was not seen as ââ¬Ësacrificingââ¬â¢ Americaââ¬â¢s youth by the guys who sent them, and the ones who so viewed it were not accusing the guys who sent them of being pro-Death; just insane for involving us in a country not our business (gee, sound like any present day country you live in?). (Yes, I marched for peace back then.)
And the whole pro-life thing is very much about ââ¬Åsaving innocentââ¬Â life (innocent of WHAT? I never understood! And does that mean itââ¬â¢s okay to kill ââ¬Åguiltyââ¬Â life?) I very much doubt if the pro-life folks were/are much worried about soldiers and sailors; and I doubt very much the folks sending the military are worried about babies (witness the taxing to death of white families...)
Abortion wasnââ¬â¢t ââ¬Åintroduced ... as a substitute for Vietnam war guiltââ¬Â -- abortion has been around since pre-Egyptian times (and probably for as long as women have gotten pregnant...). The ââ¬Ëincreaseââ¬â¢ was more related to medical technology finally reaching a level of skill to provide safe abortions (yes, just for the women; letââ¬â¢s NOT get into all the usual arguments) and also the society reached the ââ¬Åpsychologicalââ¬Â level of finding it no longer appropriate to allow women to be butchered (and remember, women were being butchered for abortions throughout ALL of HISTORY!). I guarantee you that the women had no interest in conflating Viet Nam and dead soldiers with freedom from unwanted pregnancy (and no need!).
Kissenger fer shure never cared if the populace thought he was pro-death. Neither did most of the politicians, business men and journalists... (About him or themselves.) None of them today cares a whit about killing soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan or Bosnia or take yer pick! Thatââ¬â¢s what soldier are FOR! (Or so they seem to think!) And their ââ¬Ëloyaltyââ¬â¢ (such as it is) is to adult women voters (and the men who get them pregnant) , and not to any side in a philosophical or moral or religious discussion of ââ¬Åwhen does life beginââ¬Â and whose should be spared or taken.
** No, I don't care what your personal opinions are on abortion, Avalance. I just don't want you to think you can sling your slong over to the PRO-LIFE political types, who are probably the ones who sent the weaponized anthrax to liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle, or connected with them. Do you approve of that?** ââ¬Åsling my slongââ¬Â?? Ohh-kay...? You definitely win Georgeââ¬â¢s (slightly ââ¬Ëoffââ¬â¢) crown...
I think the ones who sent anthrax to the senators were, in fact, intending to create more panic, and were also intending to ââ¬Ësmearââ¬â¢ Arabs (cui bono?) (And MAN! Am I pissed about the intentional destruction of poor Steve Hatfill!)
(Iââ¬â¢m also really confused about how this whole TOPIC came up in a thread about learning about the jews....)
** The stuff about fetal-placental imprints, umbilici, birth trauma, are all related to deep, original unconscious fantasies that all share, who have been born of woman. Our previously unknown, but universally dreamed/imagined (as all "heavenly" -- but there is pain, writhing, and twisting in there, too -- please see Lloyd deMause, Foundations of Psychohistory, if interested) life-before-birth, repeated compulsively (=repetition-compulsion -- the irrational compulsion to repeat the same blood-letting, over and over and over... until the trauma is undone, "peace" is restored, "the enemy" (= the poisnous placenta returned in fantasty, forever being "fought off", "killed", symbolically, in every "poisoner" = Jews of pure "Aryan blood" = Saddam Hussein of "his own people"; the source of every "monster" use to frighten a child, and the source of every terror of monsters picked up by children, imposed by adults -- it has a psycho-physiological basis).** Well. You certainly have an interesting fantasy life.... Iââ¬â¢m afraid I find no way to answer this, as I have no idea what you mean, or how it relates (to anything...)
** Then the world pays the price of shaming little boys who have to grow up somehow or another, having forgotten ** This was truncated...
** Robbie: It is one thing to acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements" that have been bestown upon this country in the past 40+ years, but it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts. Lindersite may overlook everybody else and put all its fingers on the Jews, but that is sheer narrow-mindedness. For every Jew behind the dark cloud, there's a Negro (Jackson, Sharpton, Berry, etc.), Goy (Boosh, Michael Moore, etc.), get the idea?? ** Robbie makes a very good point -- we do tend to blame the ââ¬Ågang leader,ââ¬Â as if the ââ¬Ëboysââ¬â¢ following him arenââ¬â¢t (nearly) equally guilty. But doesnââ¬â¢t that then argue for executing retarded death row inmates??
** Jay: And credit the Jew, white, black, asian, whoever that supports traditional America and the constitution, whoever they may be. ** Even the conservative ones who want us to keep sending $14 billion dollars to their favourite foreign country? Or who support massive non-white immigration?
2003-01-22 23:56 | User Profile
The way I see it is, The educated, Usually self-educated peoples of the World, many are quite aware of the agenda of the Zionists. The problem is most of them fear revealing there opinion on the subject to avoid being labeled a racist.
The motives and policies of the international Zionists are clear and undeniable to anyone with commonsense that has researched there Historical tactics. With that being said, its most likely best to focus on advancing our own culture in order to take back whats ours.
The same old Jew this, Jew that, just isn't going to cut it. What is the solution to the problem of the Zionist occupation of Western culture? The Final Solution did not work. In fact, it only encouraged there movement by providing them with the convenient "victim" label.
However, As much as I admire alot of the National Socialist policies, The Final solution is not one of them. In fact, I believe it was one of Hitlers 2 biggest mistakes of the War. You can't hold a whole race responsible for what a small group of serpents is doing. I do support removing them from our culture.
The Jewish question has been asked since Roman times, and they came then simply as merchants. Obviously the hatred towards them is for a good reason, and not for the old arguement that "everyone is jealous of the jews success".
The do control Government, media, and film, and everyone knows this. So you can't argue with the fact that they influence the masses. However, I do know a few right-wing Jews that I would have by my side before many Left-wing ,Berkinstock, hippie, red diaper doper baby Liberals from Berkeley. Not too mention a few cowards in the American GOP.
Just my opinion, and I too believe that immigration is the most important issue today.
Nor cal.skiN
2003-01-23 00:03 | User Profile
Moderator: Posters who have Hitler as their avatar probably don't serve a valuable purpose here. Same with guys that have Nazi symbots as their avatar.
If that's the direction of the forum, I'll wish you the best and head out the door.
-Jay
2003-01-23 00:22 | User Profile
I don't "smear", I define America in positive and negative terms. It is a smear to say I smear in pointing out: Rush Limbaugh equated feminists standing up for their rights with Nazis -- therefore, tacitly, presenting himself to them as persecuted Jew. Thats a reversal. He isn't really persecuted by outspoken females like the Jews were by the Nazis -- that's just just his way of ribbing the public. Then the "I'm With Stupids" got to taking it seriously!
This gives rise to another reversal, once Jews have become projected containers of Aryan blood-poison: "If they are poisonong us, we'll poison them back." So ZYKLON B labs spring up.
Little of this gets to the conscious level, where it can be spoken of as "what they had on their mind". It is just a group-psychodynamic guilt displacement, following repetition-compulsion templates. Once "the Jews" get set up in group-fantasy as "poison containters", they become as the poisonous placenta was to the "angry white (fetalized) males" will be made to appear tonight on Donohue, if Jared Taylor really makes it. What people "act out" when they "go into their number" is unconscious fantasies -- not mine, theirs. I just report, you decide. People who carry around the fantasy of their blood being poisoned will feel impotent, sinful, guilty, and get the idea that they will be heroic, potent and victorious for God, if they can whack a few jews, or liberals, native Americans, blacks, or whoever can be fingered -- any race, gender, ethnicity, age, ideology, social class American -- to become a neocon Republican gladiator.
No, the anti-abortion (excuse me, PRO-LIFE) movement began as a factor in American politics in a specific time -- after the Vietnam war, mid-70's; at a specific place -- upstate New York, with Randall Terry's "Operation Rescue"; we watched the rhetoric spread like a virus so that, in their mind, they lathered themselves up into thinking it was taking responsibilty, under orders from something in their head that would punish them if they said "No" -- that punishing Military Daddy-In-The-Head -- if they didn't interrupt other people's pursuit of their own lives. As if the definitions somebody or something planted in their inner, private mental processes just automatically, extend, by God, to the contents of others bellies. And wanted to make a federal case out of it. I never understood that, myself. ... In response to a specific situation: baby-boomer guilt compensation for killing in Vietnam. Not what's in their head, what's in their soul. Please check psychohistory, google search key word, for what national soul is.
3. Then, it isn't a smear to poing out that Bishop John O'Connor, down from Scranton's coal mine territory, pronounced one day that it was Nazi's killing Jews, going on in inside abortion clinics, and he wanted Catholics to eschew the practice, and vote against who allowed it. Nazi's killing Jews again, used by right-wing politics, with such an absurd twist no one could believe it, without divine insight. LIke the idea that women were created from Adam's rib. So absurd no one could take it seriously, unless it had been divnely revealed. That's not a smear, thats just the truth. Anybody can feel any way they like about it, it won't change anything. Goes with the idea that snakes used to talk to fems apple trees, and that's how evil got started.
4. Therefore, it cannot be a smear to juxtapose these two distinct uses of the Nazi-killing Jews routine, one connecting feminists, the other connecting fetuses, with "Jews" to point out that those who do it, and force it on the public as politics, intend to smear menses blood of the dark Mother Goddess over everyones mind, by causing them to identify at the unconscious level with a smelly, poisoned, constricted, de-oxygenated womb-surround, now equipped with the following:
"NYTimes 1.22 "US Deploying Monitor System For Germ Peril --...The system uses advanced data analysis that officials said had been quietly adapted since the Sept 11 attacks and tested over the past nine months. It will adapt many of the enviornmental Protection Agency's 3,000 air quality monitoring stations throughout the country to register unusual quantities of a wide range of pathogens that cause diseases that incapacitate and kill
"Officials said that although the system would not by itself protect Americans against a germ attack, early detection of such a strike would give the government more time to mobilize medical resources that could save thourands, or even hundredss of thousands of loives. The faster those exposed to most deadly pathogens ..mentions anthrax, smallpox are vacinnated against a disease ..the lower the death rate." In other words, they are ready to uff a whiff of anthrax under one of those 3,000 monitors, claim Saddam Hussein has struck, and order the poisoning of everyone's blood, just like they did to the Jews. You won't even have to go to detention; it will come to you.
5. How do you know Steven Hatfill isn't a Jew who mailed the anthrax? -- obviously intended to kill liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle. You have inside dope? why did WNV break out immediately after he was busted? Why has FBI deliberately botched his investigation so he can never be prosecuted? How come plage appears wherever he goes? DO YOU THINK HATFILL IS A JEW?
2003-01-23 00:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 23 2003, 00:03 ** Posters who have Hitler as their avatar probably don't serve a valuable purpose here. Same with guys that have Nazi symbots as their avatar.
**
Nazi symbolism will turn some away from White nationalism. Then again, it also might attract some. Because of National Socialism's success in stifling Chosenite influence for a certain period of time, it has been the most reviled group in our time. Some see this is as only more reasons to align themselves to White nationalism. Of course, the Media will never understand that a White nationalist can very well be your next-door-neighbor, and one who doesn't have his head shaved, or wear combat boots or whatever article clothing is associated with a "skinhead". The Media cannot come to grips with what is happening right now. The stereotypes they revelled in are no longer relevant.
2003-01-23 01:15 | User Profile
**Jay, Hey bud, Im not the one who brought up the Jewish issue. In fact I prefer to discuss immigration and Foreign policy, because I think it leads to divisive progress.
You know, Its to bad that you have been so brainwashed by public institutions and opinion. I can understand no swasticas or racial slurs, but now its Historical figure avatars? Sounds like some Marxist policies to me.
Look Jay, Im new here, so I will give you some respect. Why don't you ask me my opinions before you judge me? Face it brother, Adolf Hitler was real, and he was a part of History, not too mention he was financed by many Americans including Henry Ford.
What, are you going to ban all Fords now? I have seen names like thuelist on this board. What exactly do you think a thuelist is? Lindenberg, Joseph Kennedy, I could go on. Mind your buisness friend, I stated in other posts that I do not support the final solution, but I do admire alot of National Socialist policies.
Anyway, If Texas Dissident sides with you, which I doubt he will take it that far, then I guess I will have no choice, but please don't leave just because I have a Historical figure as an avatar. I thought its about Freedom? Walk the talk I say! This board is far from a racist board, which is why I enjoy the debate here. I agree 100% with your posts on immigration.
Remember, If the Nazis never did the things they did to the jews, and just deported them, Adolf would maybe be your number one hero. Just a thought.
Nor cal.skiN**
2003-01-23 02:19 | User Profile
Lo Cal [heh, heh,] Skin knows nothing about Nationalism. Nationalism is race-based. That means, if you are White, you don't have "conservative Jews by your side" when the crap hits the fan. Jews are Jews, period. No Jews, Just Right ™.
I wonder why Lo Cal [heh, heh] has, as his avatar, Hitler? He don't seem very...er....Hitleresque...
2003-01-23 02:47 | User Profile
Nor cal.skiN: The Final Solution did not work.
Thatââ¬â¢s because the stupid puppy-dog-like Americans were maneuvered into a WRONG war to destroy the Germans. The Final Solution was a program to get the jews OUT of Germany. The jews (bolsheviks / communists) were massacring thousands and thousands (eventually millions and millions and millions!!!). The jews have a long, long history of ââ¬Ëopening the gatesââ¬â¢-- of letting the enemy IN to destroy the ââ¬Åhostââ¬Â society (such good guests <_< ).
The Germans were RIGHT to round up the jews and try to send them off east TO THEIR BRETHREN who were massacring Christians (and everyone else) in the Ukraine, Russia and those environs. The jewish/communist enemy was threatening, and their Fifth Column in Germany needed to be gotten rid of. Think of how worried we-all are about those Al-Queda (and even militant muslims) who are ALREADY in the U.S. ââ¬â- are WE not trying to identify them and ship them the hell away?
Our search and remove is much less desperate because we DONââ¬â¢T (yet) have a fanatic muslim army already killing thousands and thousands ââ¬â theyââ¬â¢re less organized than that. But are we any less serious that we MUST ID and remove the muslim Fifth Column in the U.S.? WHY would we think less of the Germans for trying to remove their enemy within? (And remember, the jews had led a devastating strike against war materiel manufacturing during WWI, which killed a LOT of German soldiers... How should the Germans NOT be aware of their perfidy? Oh, and the jews had already DECLARED WAR against Germany!) If your enemy is in your midst AND making it clear they intend to harm you, should you NOT round them up?!
2003-01-23 02:54 | User Profile
** Jay: But I'm going to name the white man, the black man, the asian man, whoever it may be that helps destroy my culture. And credit the Jew, white, black, asian, whoever that supports traditional America and the constitution, whoever they may be. **
Does this mean you dislike white race traitors, but you LIKE, say, asian race traitors or black race traitors? Does your liking depends on whether they support you/yours, but not on whether they support their own? What about the saying ââ¬Åhe who is false to his first master will be false to his second?ââ¬Â Thus are ALL traitors killed (or at least, NEVER trusted!)
** Jay: I like conservative Jews a hell of a lot better than liberal fanatical white liberal single abortion-loving self-hating women.**
You gonna marry one and produce partly white, partly jew children? Or are you going to try to find or recover a white woman who will breed you white children that you can raise awake? The problem with ââ¬Ëwell, the jews I know are good onesââ¬â¢ is that they still support and protect the ones who are dedicated to OUR destruction.
** Franco First, I thank Avalanche for being aware of The Judenrodent and saying so in print. And she's a girl, no less -- meaning that most women have a blind spot when it comes to Da Hebe, or race in general.**
Thanks. I think women are generally more susceptible to the propaganda, because we are naturally ââ¬Ëkinderââ¬â¢ and more disturbed by the exigencies of real life. Itââ¬â¢s very very hard for a woman, naturally nurturing and wanting to care for others (esp. children), to recognize that some children MUST die in order to protect her own... And these natural feelings have been played to destroy the allegiance women ought to feel to their own men, their own tribe.
NeoNietzsche calls me the ââ¬Åfamily-name sportââ¬Â as in mutant, as in there was something weird about me that I was able to partly awaken myself, and then he was able to teach me the rest... It is a painful thing to have to decide that some children MUST die! That some people must die, that some people will be horribly tortured and killed and ââ¬Åweââ¬Â MUST NOT INTERFERE! Itââ¬â¢s ââ¬Åunfairââ¬Â that this is so, but the whole concept of fairness has been trained into us as a built-in weapon. It appeals and controls. But the underlying truth that women MUST be taught, is that life IS unfair, there is no fairness; and once that is decided, then each woman must find the man who will protect her as much as he can from the unfairness!
** Robbie: It is one thing to acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements" that have been bestown upon this country in the past 40+ years, but it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts. Lindersite may overlook everybody else and put all its fingers on the Jews, but that is sheer narrow-mindedness. For every Jew behind the dark cloud, there's a Negro (Jackson, Sharpton, Berry, etc.), Goy (Boosh, Michael Moore, etc.), get the idea?? ** Youââ¬â¢ve got it up side-down. The Negros and Goys are puppets! They are witting or unwitting collaborators! Itââ¬â¢s not narrow-minded to know that if you could only cut the strings of the puppets, theyââ¬â¢d collapse! (Can you imagine ANY way that doofus Bush could manage to run and stay in office WITHOUT someone managing his every act?) All those dark fools havenââ¬â¢t even the brains to recognize theyââ¬â¢re being played... Farrahkan seems to have identified the ââ¬Ësourceââ¬â¢ but heââ¬â¢s been so completely marginalized (and even his understanding is tainted)
Itââ¬â¢s a jewish game, and these fools either think theyââ¬â¢re playing, or they donââ¬â¢t even know itââ¬â¢s a game!
2003-01-23 03:59 | User Profile
150 million white americans and each one has his 'good' Jew. For the seminumerate among us, that works to at least 150 million of Dog's brazen, but of course applying the inclusion-exlusion principle (or a mass of intricately intersecting Venn Circles for the visual cogitators) places Zeus back in his Olympus and all is once again right with the Cosmos.
PS Venn diagrams are useless outside of junior high school math class. I discovered this when some seminarian attempted to elucidate the inscrutable trinitarian dogma by modeling the triune Sky Jew with an ungodly asemblage of those Venn thingamadohickies.
PS The 'good' Jew inhabits the same region of urban legend as the 'brilliant' negro or the pretty and chaste mestiza or, or, or .... the inventive IIT dravidian and original zipperhead.
2003-01-23 04:09 | User Profile
A lot of countries - perhaps most - in Western Europe are going down our route of mass immigration, multiculturalism, and rich-man's guilt over their core culture. It's happening in Britain, France, the Netherlands, and the Scandinavian countries. I know at least some Jews were prominent in opening the floodgates into Great Britain; what about the other countries?
2003-01-23 04:41 | User Profile
Marcus Cato --
Hey, you oughta write fer VNN, homedawg. Them be sharp vocabularies ya put out....write to Linder at VNN wit' somepin' def....
2003-01-23 04:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jan 22 2003, 12:43 Life begins at conception and I consider myself 100% pure pro-life and I do not support sending our boys to fight and die on foreign soil in unjust wars.
1) Why should we not kill "life," if such killing is in the national/racial interest?
2) Why should we not engage in "unjust wars," (whatever that is) if such aggression is in the national/racial interest?
2003-01-23 04:56 | User Profile
NN, how do you connect your personal interests with support for white nationalist interests? A Christian can speak of a duty to those to whom one is tied by blood, and also be motivated by Christian belief to oppose, for example, the intentional killing of civilian persons. But what sort of reasons do you have for pursuing white racial interests? Do you have some Nietzschean vision of the future that involve a necessary role for the white race?
2003-01-23 05:47 | User Profile
NN, how do you connect your personal interests with support for white nationalist interests?
The fact that I'm White?
A Christian can speak of a duty to those to whom one is tied by blood, and also be motivated by Christian belief to oppose, for example, the intentional killing of civilian persons.
Who says otherwise? The question is whether one should not kill if it be in the interest of one's blood. Oh, and why is it that "Christians" in the majority always seem to manage to de-humanize enemy civilians so as to facilitate the intentional killing of them? Does Christianity readily lend itself to hypocrisy, or does it just have particular appeal to hypocrites?
But what sort of reasons do you have for pursuing white racial interests?
I am not pursuing them.
Do you have some Nietzschean vision of the future that involve[s] a necessary role for the white race?
No.
2003-01-23 05:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 23 2003, 02:54 **
**àRobbie:ààIt is one thing to acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements" that have been bestown upon this country in the past 40+ years, but it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts. Lindersite may overlook everybody else and put all its fingers on the Jews, but that is sheer narrow-mindedness. For every Jew behind the dark cloud, there's a Negroà(Jackson, Sharpton, Berry, etc.), Goy (Boosh, Michael Moore, etc.), get the idea?? ** Youââ¬â¢ve got it up side-down. The Negros and Goys are puppets! They are witting or unwitting collaborators! Itââ¬â¢s not narrow-minded to know that if you could only cut the strings of the puppets, theyââ¬â¢d collapse! (Can you imagine ANY way that doofus Bush could manage to run and stay in office WITHOUT someone managing his every act?) All those dark fools havenââ¬â¢t even the brains to recognize theyââ¬â¢re being played... Farrahkan seems to have identified the ââ¬Ësourceââ¬â¢ but heââ¬â¢s been so completely marginalized (and even his understanding is tainted)
**
Avalanche--the first time you used my quote you said I made a good point. The next time you used it you said I had things "upside down". HUH?? :o :huh: :blink:
2003-01-23 05:54 | User Profile
NN, why should being white make you interested in white nationalist ideals? Or do you simply mean that because you are white, you were curious about these ideals?
2003-01-23 07:20 | User Profile
Avalanche doesn't believe there is such a thing as ZYKLON B, but I've seen pictures of the barrels of it in books. I think it was manufactured to kill Jews. By Farben AG, parent of AG Bayer.
Hitler's birthday comes on or around April 19-20, where, in this country, there have been three signal terrorist events, Waco fire, OC bombing and Columbine (Iquitos Baptist plane shot down last year).
I think most Hitler fronts are Jew avatars doing reverse spam, and playing off the Reinhard Gehlen organization /CIA - Dulles- (Allen, who helped run rat lines for ex-Nazis into the Western Hemisphere is now a Red Hat) - Catholic connection, to cover it up. And I think Steven Hatfill is a Jew, since nobody will say he isn't; and he has not submitted a writing sample has not been compared with letters, which purport to blame Islamic militants, plus having lied on polygraphs, but Avalaunce knows he's been pilloried.
Most things anti-Jew and anti-communist she or anybody else posts up is pro-Catholic propaganda. Not that the Jews didn't have large holdings in Germany.
l There is nothing American or white about "white nationalism" of that sort; its the ZYKLON B HUSTLE. They're trying to bring it back here. Hubby and wife team looks like. Frederich Nietzsche was genius, and one of my colleagues wrote a book on him, but more of a personal sort of philosopher, not to be confused with anyone who made substantive contributions to the history of philosophy, or stable enough to do so. I believe Trevor Ravenscroft's record of occult forces working on Schicklegrubber and his gang from the inner side, which we barely know of. There was that strange business of Himmler.
Avalance didn't really say she was against poisoning liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle, when asked. NN says white nationalism trumps the rule not to kill -- you can kill anything if you are a "white nationalist". How absurd. I think the entire thing is Cath-O-Jew avatars at work, here and elsewhere, big time. They've got to get that war killing going.
They are with Michell Malkin and that idiot necon guy tonight on Donahue. They just know words, like "immigration", and when there is nothing more to be said, thats when they get started.
Eddylite, Eddydark, take your pick. all the same.
Just verbal ping pong.
2003-01-23 14:38 | User Profile
none-too-educated wombat: Avalanche doesn't believe there is such a thing as ZYKLON B, but I've seen pictures of the barrels of it in books. I think it was manufactured to kill Jews. By Farben AG, parent of AG Bayer. You think it was manufactured to kill jews based on WHAT research? Youââ¬â¢ve seen barrels and therefore know its use? (I suppose youââ¬â¢d suggest seeing piles of shoes mean all the shoe owners were killed? Does that include the piles of shoes outside a Japanese sushi house?) How CAN you draw ANY conclusion if you havenââ¬â¢t done any research?
Itââ¬â¢s now clear youââ¬â¢re a troll (a rather incoherent one too!) I had thought you had a serious interest in these matters, but itââ¬â¢s clear you donââ¬â¢t. You seem to do an awful lot of (really awful!) thinking based on apparently nothing... So, unless and until you can come up with a coherent set of thoughts to address, Iââ¬â¢m going to spend my time writing to people who are thinking on the basis of some knowledge, not just thinking in random circles...
** I think most Hitler fronts are Jew avatars doing reverse spam, ** Well, you just keep thinking... in your little vaccuum! ;)
** And I think Steven Hatfill is a Jew, since nobody will say he isn't; ... but ââ¬ÅAvalancheââ¬Â knows he's been pilloried.** And I think youââ¬â¢re in idiot, since no one will say youââ¬â¢re not. Same ââ¬Åsoundââ¬Â reasoning, eh? Does it work for you? I donââ¬â¢t know heââ¬â¢s being pilloried, but it more closely fits the data points than anything else! (Occamsââ¬â¢ razor, doncha know ââ¬â oh, but then, Iââ¬â¢d guess you DONââ¬â¢T know..) Here: try reading this: [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=5604]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...=ST&f=25&t=5604[/url]
** ââ¬ÅAvalancheââ¬Â didn't really say she was against poisoning liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle, when asked. NN says white nationalism trumps the rule not to kill -- you can kill anything if you are a "white nationalist". ** So you think, if your mommy doesnââ¬â¢t tell you EVERY morning that she has NOT poisoned your cereal, thatââ¬â¢s proof that she IS poisoning your cereal? Well, you just be careful what you eat, then, eh? Interesting (if very limited) life you lead... NeoN would never say white nationalism trumps the rule to kill; heââ¬â¢d probably say there IS no rule not to kill ââ¬â there is (was?) a ââ¬Ëgentlemanââ¬â¢s agreementââ¬â¢ among peers not to kill each other, or each others chattel, but killing outsiders is just common sense, if they are threatening the success of you, your peers and your and their chattel.
** I think the entire thing is Cath-O-Jew avatars at work ** Here you go again... pretending to be thinking. :lol: Maybe you should try READING so you have some facts on which to try to draw conclusions...
Just verbal ping pong. Well, Iââ¬â¢m hangin' up my paddle! Generally one plays a game (or discusses a topic) in accordance with rules. Iââ¬â¢d suggest the rules in our game here is to discuss topics based on FACTS, not on what people think might possibly be facts if only the world were to go the way this nutcase posits.
Sorry uneducated wombat ââ¬â Iââ¬â¢ve finally got the picture. Youââ¬â¢re a troll, and not even smart enough to try to ââ¬Ëcoverââ¬â¢ your trail, by looking like a thoughtful member who merely doubts or disagrees with the OD members... Bye bye!
2003-01-23 14:52 | User Profile
** > **Robbie: It is one thing to acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements" that have been bestown upon this country in the past 40+ years, but it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts. Lindersite may overlook everybody else and put all its fingers on the Jews, but that is sheer narrow-mindedness. For every Jew behind the dark cloud, there's a Negro (Jackson, Sharpton, Berry, etc.), Goy (Boosh, Michael Moore, etc.), get the idea?? **
** Avalanche the first time: Robbie makes a very good point -- we do tend to blame the ââ¬Ågang leader,ââ¬Â as if the ââ¬Ëboysââ¬â¢ following him arenââ¬â¢t (nearly) equally guilty. But doesnââ¬â¢t that then argue for executing retarded death row inmates??**
** Avalanche the second time: Youââ¬â¢ve got it up side-down. The Negros and Goys are puppets! They are witting or unwitting collaborators! Itââ¬â¢s not narrow-minded to know that if you could only cut the strings of the puppets, theyââ¬â¢d collapse ... ** **
** Avalanche--the first time you used my quote you said I made a good point. The next time you used it you said I had things "upside down". HUH?? ** Well, and arenââ¬â¢t both true? We here at OD DO spend the majority of our time discussing and (rightly) maligning the destruction planned and wrought by the jews (they are the gang-leaders of the cultural vandalism and assaults.) (Robbie: acknowledge the Jews behind the "movements") And because weââ¬â¢re focusing on the force that moves the ââ¬Ëmassesââ¬â¢ (the boys following the jewsââ¬â¢ lead and direction) into such damage, weââ¬â¢re not focusing on the gang members (Robbie: it isn't only "Jews" that do heinous acts).
So, my first reaction was to your comment about not ONLY blaming jews (for which I answered that the gang leader is MORE culpable). And my second reaction, which also followed Jay (who wanted to ââ¬Åname the white man, the black man, the asian man, whoever it may be that helps destroy my cultureââ¬Â) was to point out that itââ¬â¢s NOT the fault only of the gang leaders, the cultural vandalism couldnââ¬â¢t occur if the gang-leader didnââ¬â¢t have his gang... (Avalanche: The Negros and Goys are puppets! They are witting or unwitting collaborators.)
Oh, additionally: I also just react to what I read, even if Iââ¬â¢m reading it a second time?! Different conversations, different focus of the response.... same message! :D
2003-01-23 15:12 | User Profile
Amazing that Wombat is still crowding Pastor Tony Alamo off the Papist-bashing shelf.
The real power is That Whose Name May Not Be Uttered. You can pick up any newspaper, turn on any tv station - heck, you can watch THE SIMPSONS! - and groove to all the Cat'lick-baiting your little heart can stand. Anybody can do it - without suffering any penalty whatsoever.
Ever wonder why you've never seen a single story in the national media about:
sex-offender rabbis?
the role of Orthodox Jewry in both drug-trafficking and the Israeli white-slave trade?
the constant, extensive Israeli spy operations conducted in and against the US?
how Israel - the beneficiary of billions of dollars of involuntarily-extracted US taxpayer largesse - habitually consorts and shares vital technology with nations openly hostile to us?
What's that? That's old news? Sure it is - thanks to the Internet. But don't hold your breath waiting for Ted Koppel or Mike Wallace to devote significant airtime to any of these stories. It will not happen. However, once these facts get wider and wider dissemination, look for the closed-shop Jew media to ride the Internet's coattails - as if they had been reporting these stories all along - by shoving in next to honest men under the shared umbrella of 'reporting' & 'journalism'.
And nobody in a red frickin' hat had anything to do with deciding which stories Big Media runs with... and which ones it buries.
2003-01-23 17:30 | User Profile
You know nothing, Avalance, if you exist. What do you think Farben AG and AG Bayer made ZYKLON B for? Since you know nothing about Vietnam, WWII, or, apparently, anything else you talk about, the only sense one can make out of what you say is you support poisoning Americans. What about the war? You for that, too? Vaccination? How's that blood looking today? Got cancer yet?
Not American. Not white.
2003-01-23 18:00 | User Profile
crazy wombat: You know nothing, "Avalanche", if you exist. What do you think Farben AG and AG Bayer made ZYKLON B for? Last one: to kill LICE (in clothing and bedding... and piles of shoes!) !! The little bitty creepy-crawly BUGS that spread typhus, which was the disease that killed MOST of the jews and others who died in the camps!!
Go do some reading, go do some research, get a clue!
2003-01-23 18:11 | User Profile
Franco, You know nothing about my beliefs. I simply stated that I know some right-wing Jews who are better Men then White liberals. Of course that doesn't mean Im not aware of what the bad ones are doing.
Whatever, waste of time, Im sick of this same old arguement with people who have tunnel vision. Im far from a moderate, I just don't want to cause problems on this board. Besides, The moderators here forced me to change my Avatar, so whats the point? Take it up with them.
Nor cal.skiN
2003-01-23 19:26 | User Profile
Really? The moderators forced you to change your avatar? The subtitle of the Board says "Nationalist." Hitler was a top nationalist -- in fact, the only nationalist who dared actually DO SOMETHING rather than bounce beachballs Mussolini-style.
Guess OD's support for nationalism is limited. Not being snotty, just stating apparent fact. As long as everyone [leftist, rightist, nationalist] does the Hitler blackball, I must wonder how WN ideology will ever be seen as legit, especially in the history books -- WWII, Holoswindle, etc.
We WNs are, in short, joining our enemies in the sandbox when we do the "no-Hitler" be-bop. Our goal should be to show people that Hitler was reacting, not acting, and that his harshness towards Jews was actually necessary at that time re: Communism in Europe being an entirely Jewish production.
Let us show the world that Hitler, while not entirely a saint, was reacting to the Jewish/leftist NWO plan, and that he was not at all the evil guy that your sandal-wearing Marxoid teachers told you that he was. Indeed, even the Brit Sir Shawcross admitted that Hitler was basically correct. Yet, we blackball him daily.
Nice.
2003-01-23 19:46 | User Profile
We WNs are, in short, joining our enemies in the sandbox when we do the "no-Hitler" be-bop.
You are ignoring crucial issues of tactics and packaging.
2003-01-23 20:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Jan 23 2003, 13:46 ** > We WNs are, in short, joining our enemies in the sandbox when we do the "no-Hitler" be-bop.
You are ignoring crucial issues of tactics and packaging. **
If I suggested that decades of tactics and packaging have not only been unsuccessful but have actually assisted the progressively worsening slide into "hate crime", would someone care to offer the traditional liberal/communist advice that, well, we just haven't perfected it in ideologically pure form yet? Had I had use for a Hitler avatar forty or fifty years ago, surely it wouldv'e met with some individual moans and whines, but dissent was fashionable then. I've grown up in the South, where politeness and compromise have been internally translated into shrewdness and sophistication. Fatally. Enough!
Btw, I'm not calling you a liberal/communist. I just wish to cast my vote for a different policy.
2003-01-23 21:02 | User Profile
Indeed! The "Hitler is eeeevil" attitude came from Jews/leftists, and now we Whites adopt....that same attitude! Yep, good call, matey....you be one of us....
2003-01-23 23:12 | User Profile
Man, some of you guys are scaring me (or - perhaps that's the intention)
Hitler was not even 1% good. None. And no, "Jews" are not feeding that into my head. I know that they were instrumental in immigration reform, that their culture is antithetical to mine and that they are liberal. I know they want to exercise that influence.
I'm not "closed-minded" about this issue. But at the same time, the Nazis were pure evil. They did not have even 1/3 the public support of Germans when they won the Government in 1932, and the only reason they had ANY was due to economic strife (which I'm sure some of you will again blame the Jews for)
There is no doubt they committed genocide against Jews and other groups. Including - yes - Poles/Russians/Czechs/French and later, Americans/Brits. How come the HItler defenders (God, are there even any?) never talk about the 50M whites murdered as a result of the fool.
Oh, right: Jews baited him into those mistakes.
-Jay
2003-01-23 23:23 | User Profile
Jay --
Oh -- Hitler murdered, or caused to have murdered, "50 million Whites?" What have you been smokin', homeboy?
As someone very well versed in history, I ask: what be your source for that amazin' claim? LSD? Peyote? Mescaline?
2003-01-23 23:24 | User Profile
Great post, Jay. I would love for any of these Hitler supporters to read about the Czech village of Lidice and tell me what a wonderful fellow Hitler was.
2003-01-24 00:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Jan 23 2003, 13:26 **Guess OD's support for nationalism is limited. Not being snotty, just stating apparent fact.
**
Yes, we are very soft here. Not like those bad asses over at the site in your signature.
We WNs are, in short, joining our enemies in the sandbox when we do the "no-Hitler" be-bop.
All of 'us' aren't WNs. Besides, there are already many places on the 'net for that sort of thing. We're trying to do something a little different here, a little headier approach if you will. Granted, actual discourse and debate is not for everybody, but it is for some and that's who we're catering to.
Seriously, if we all did it like the site in your signature, then that site would lose its so special and so shiny uniqueness.
2003-01-24 00:22 | User Profile
Voltaire once said that murder was a terrible crime and punishable with death unless it was carried out in large number and to the sound of trumpets.
A brief study in advanced economics
The following passages were written in 1956 by British Major General J.F.C. Fuller*, a renowned military writer and developer of the modern armored combat arms, in his book ââ¬ÅA Military History of the Western World.ââ¬Â
ââ¬ÅHitler held that, as long as the international monetary system was based on gold, a nation which cornered gold could impose its will on those who lacked it. This could be done by drying up their sources of exchange, and thereby compelling them to accept loans on interest in order to distribute their wealth ââ¬â their production. He said: ââ¬ËThe community of the nation does not live by the fictitious value of money, but by real production which in its turn gives value to money. This production is the real cover of the currency, and not a bank or a safe full of gold.ââ¬Â He decided: (1) To refuse foreign interest-bearing loans, and base German currency on production instead of on gold. (2) To obtain imports by direct exchange of goods ââ¬â barter- and subsidize exports when necessary. (3) To put a stop to what was called ââ¬Ëfreedom of the exchangesââ¬â¢ ââ¬â that is, license to gamble in currencies and shift private fortunes from one country to another according to the political situation. And (4) to create money when men and material were available for work instead of running into debt by borrowing it.
ââ¬ÅBecause the life of international finance depended upon the issue of interest-bearing loans to nations in economic distress, Hitlerââ¬â¢s economics spelt its ruination. If he were allowed to succeed, other nations would certainly follow his example, and should a time come when all non-gold-holding governments exchanged goods for goods, not only would borrowing cease and gold lose its power, but the money-lenders would have to close shop.
ââ¬ÅThis financial pistol was pointed more particularly at the United States, because they held the bulk of the worldââ¬â¢s supply of gold, and because their mass-production system necessitated the export of about 10 percent of their products in order to avoid unemployment. Further, because of the brutalities meted out to German Jews by Hitler understandably had antagonized American Jewish financiers, six months after Hitler became Chancellor, Samuel Untermeyer, a wealthy New York attorney, threw down the challenge. He proclaimed a ââ¬Ëholy warââ¬â¢ against National Socialism and called for an economic boycott of German goods, shipping and services.ââ¬Â
Fuller states further:
ââ¬Åââ¬Â¦in 1936, Winston Churchill is reported to have said to General Robert E. Wood of America: ââ¬ÅGermany is getting too strong and we must smash her.ââ¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â¦
ââ¬ÅMr. Bernard Baruch told General George C. Marshall (U.S. Army Chief of Staff. Ed) that ââ¬ËWe are going to lick that fellow Hitler. He isnââ¬â¢t going to get away with it.ââ¬â¢ With what? Presumably his barter system, for in September, 1939, Baruch released a report of an interview he had with the President in which he said: ââ¬ËIf we keep our prices down, there is no reason why we shouldnââ¬â¢t get the customers from the belligerent nations that they have had to drop because of the war. In that event, Germanyââ¬â¢s barter system will be destroyed.ââ¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â
*Major General J.F.C. Fuller C.B.,C.B.E., D.S.O. ââ¬ËA Military History of the Western World, vol..III, Minerva Press, 1956 pps 368 et seq.
Warfare, as Clausewitz has said, is merely political and economic policies carried to the battlefield. I suppose that if Hitler had won we'd be hearing about evil old Roosevelt, for generations to come. Fully documented of course.
2003-01-24 00:29 | User Profile
Welcome to the wonderful world of real-world politics a/k/a MURDER OR BE MURDERED.
Was Hitler a 'good guy'? The fact that we even try to judge these people by 'good guy' and 'bad guy' yardsticks is ludicrous.
Every head of state of a major power murders people by executive order. They call it different things - mostly so they can keep their precious 'good guy' status - but 'peacekeeping', 'police actions', 'nation-building' & 'defending freedom' are all euphemisms for murder. You want a 'good guy' for a leader, move to Switzerland or Iceland. The big dogs in the yard are all killers.
Without Hitler's Third Reich all of Europe, and likely America, would've become Soviet satellites. Period. (Or do you think FDR's braintrust would've all had Horowitzian "second thoughts" simultaneously?) So it comes down to "pick your poison". Frankly, I think we'd all be regretting no Hitler in Germany of the 1930s with much more severity and immediacy, than the arm's-length distaste we're free to indulge in now, after he thinned out the ranks of the Bolsheviks for us (when we'd have never done it ourselves).
2003-01-24 01:52 | User Profile
Oh Jay, Jay!
Two of these premises automatically and absolutely disprove the first!!
** I'm not "closed-minded" about this issue. Hitler was not even 1% good. But at the same time, the Nazis were pure evil. Thatââ¬â¢s just silly! If you were even the tiniest bit open-minded, you'd recognize NO ONE ON EARTH has ever been 100% evil. And it is not possible that every single last nazi was pure evil (if there is even such a THING a pure evil. Do you not see that prima facie you prove yourself unable to deal with logic?! I'm not "closed-minded" about this issue. But at the same time, the Nazis were pure evil. They did not have even 1/3 the public support of Germans when they won the Government in 1932, and the only reason they had ANY was due to economic strife (which I'm sure some of you will again blame the Jews for)** So, does that make Bush pure evil, since HE didn't carry the public mandate into office? ** There is no doubt they committed genocide against Jews and other groups. Including - yes - Poles/Russians/Czechs/French and later, Americans/Brits. How come the HItler defenders (God, are there even any?) never talk about the 50M whites murdered as a result of the fool. ** Thereââ¬â¢s HUGE doubt about genocide, thereââ¬â¢s HUGE proof that many if not most deaths were the result of disease (see my comments about lice and typhous to weirdwombat) and starvation (remember Chuck Yeager, the test pilot? He was a pilot in WWII and in his autobiography he talks about being unhappy when his squadron was sent out to kill ANY German farmers they saw (who were civilians, NOT combatants!). He was conflicted because how were the Germans to be blamed for starving their prisoners (to say nothing of their own people), when the ââ¬Åhonorableââ¬Â Allied were killing the very people who were growing food that would have fed the prisoners?! Bet you never read THAT in school!)
And have you entirely MISSED the jewish/bolshevik/communist destruction of between 55 MILLION and 120 MILLION (depending on your sources!) ââ¬â Geez, they make Hitler look like a piker, an absolute amateur (EVEN IF you accept the lie about the Holy Six Million!).
** Oh, right: Jews baited him into those mistakes. ** No, his actions were a REASONABLE response to a VERY real threat to his country! Go read the REAL history! Not the jew-written textbooks, and the jew-run media accounts. Youââ¬â¢ve fallen for the propaganda.
2003-01-24 02:32 | User Profile
Jews and Bolshevism ... Communism was of course founded by Karl Marx whose grandfather was a rabbi by the name of Mordeccai. Marx was given his initial encouragement by a Communist-Zionist by the name of Moses Hess. ... The most detailed description of Jewish influence in the Bolshevik 'revolution comes from Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government. ... He reported that the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows: NAME...........................NATIONALITY Bronstein (Trotsky)...............Jew Apfelbaum (Zinovief).............Jew Lourie (Larine)......................Jew Ouritski.................................Jew Volodarski.............................Jew Rosenfeldt (Kamanef)............Jew Smidovitch............................Jew Sverdlof (Yankel)..................Jew Nakhamkes (Steklof).............Jew Ulyanov (Lenin)....................Russian Krylenko...............................Russian Lounatcharski........................Russian
"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following: MINISTRY....................NAME...................NATIONALITY President................Ulyanov (Lenin)...........Russian Foreign Affairs.......Tchitcherine.................Russian Nationalities............Djugashvili (Stalin).....Georgian Agriculture..............Protian........................Armenian Economic Council...Lourie (Larine)............Jew Food.......................Schlichter....................Jew Army & Navy.........Bronstein (Trotsky).....Jew State Control..........Lander.........................Jew State Lands............Kauffman.....................Jew Works....................V.Schmidt....................Jew Social Relief..........E. Lelina (Knigissen)....Jewess Public Instruction..Lounatcharsky..............Russian Religions...............Spitzberg.....................Jew Interior.................Apfelbaum (Zinovief)...Jew Hygiene...............Anvelt...........................Jew Finance................Isidore Goukovski........Jew Press....................Volodarski...................Jew Elections.............Ouritski.........................Jew Justice.................I. Steinberg...................Jew Refugees.............Fenigstein.....................Jew Refugees (assist.).Savitch.........................Jew Refugees (assist.)..Zaslovski....................Jew
"The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee: NAME...............................NATIONALITY Sverdlov (president)..............Jew Avanessof (sec.)...................Armenian Bruno...................................Lett Babtchinski...........................Jew Bukharin...............................Russian Weinberg..............................Jew Gailiss...................................Jew Ganzburg..............................Jew Danichevski..........................Jew Starck...................................German Sachs....................................Jew Scheinmann...........................Jew Erdling..................................Jew Landauer...............................Jew Linder...................................Jew Wolach.................................Czech Dimanstein............................Jew Encukidze.............................Georgian Ermann.................................Jew Joffe.....................................Jew Karkline...............................Jew Knigissen.............................Jew Rosenfeldt (Kamenef)..........Jew Apfelbaum (Zinovief)...........Jew Krylenko..............................Russian KrassikofSachs.....................Jew Kaprik..................................Jew Kaoul...................................Lett Ulyanov (Lenin)...................Russian Latsis...................................Jew Lander.................................Jew Lounatcharski......................Russian Peterson..............................Lett Peters...................................Lett Roudzoutas..........................Jew Rosine..................................Jew Smidovitch...........................Jew Stoutchka.............................Lett Nakhamkes (Steklof)............Jew Sosnovski.............................Jew Skrytnik................................Jew Bronstein (Trotsky)..............Jew Teodorovitch........................Jew Terian...................................Armenian Ouritski................................Jew Telechkine............................Russian Feldmann..............................Jew Froumkine.............................Jew Souriupa...............................Ukranian Tchavtchevadze....................Georgian Scheikmann...........................Jew Rosental................................Jew Achkinazi..............................Imeretian Karakhane.............................Karaim (Jew) Rose......................................Jew Sobelson (Radek)..................Jew Sclichter................................Jew Schikolini..............................Jew Chklianski.............................Jew Levine..................................(Pravdine) Jew
"The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow: NAME.....................................NATIONALITY Dzerjinski (president)...............Pole Peters (vice-president).............Lett Chklovski................................Jew Kheifiss...................................Jew Zeistine...................................Jew Razmirovitch...........................Jew Kronberg.................................Jew Khaikina..................................Jewess Karlson...................................Lett Schaumann..............................Jew Leontovitch.............................Jew Jacob Goldine..........................Jew Glaperstein..............................Jew Kniggisen................................Jew Latzis......................................Lett Schillenkuss............................Jew Janson....................................Lett Rivkine...................................Jew Antonof..................................Russian Delafabre................................Jew Tsitkine..................................Jew Roskirovitch...........................Jew G. Sverdlof.............................Jew Biesenski................................Jew Blioumkine.............................Jew Alexandrevitch.......................Russian I.Model..................................Jew Routenberg............................Jew Pines......................................Jew Sachs.....................................Jew Daybol...................................Lett Saissoune...............................Armenian Deylkenen..............................Lett Liebert...................................Jew Vogel....................................German Zakiss....................................Lett ... A relative outsider, Joseph Stalin, came to the fore and purged all competition either by exiling or executing them. Since Stalin was not Jewish, yet nearly all his opponents were, it is often suggested that Stalin was anti-Semitic. This is far from the truth. Stalin had three wives, all of them Jewesses. ... Stalin's vice-president Molotov was also married to a Jewess, ... After the death of Stalin, his successors kept up the tradition, for a report in the B'nai B'rith Messenger relates: "To show that Russia treats its Jews well, Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev this week remarked at a reception at the Polish Embassy that not only he himself and Soviet President Klementi Voroshilov, but also half the members of the Praesidium have Jewish wives. Mr. Kruschev made this remark to Israeli Ambassador Joseph Avidar, who was amongst the guests." (Kruschev's wife was yet another Kaganovitch.)
According to a report in The Canadian Jewish News of 13 November 1964 the present Soviet boss Leonid Brezhnev is married to a Jewess, and his children are brought up as Jews. There are a number of prominent Jews in the Soviet government, including Dimitri Dymshits in charge of industry, Lev Shapiro regional secretary of Birobidjan, and Yuri Andropov in charge of the secret police, the KGB. In fact, every secret police chief in Soviet history has been a Jew, from the first Uritsky to the most recent, the murderous Beria. A Jew is also in charge of the Soviet economy - Leonid Kantorovich. ... In Germany, the Jews also tried to take over there in the chaos that followed the First World War. Aided by funds from the Soviet Ambassador Joffe, Rosa Luxemburg's Spartacus Bund attempted to overthrow the government. The revolt was quelled and its leaders Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht executed. ... In Poland too, Jews occupied virtually every position of authority in the post-war Communist regime. Prominent among these were Minc, Skryesewski, Modzelewski and Berman. Jacob Berman gradually eclipsed the others until he became supreme dictator by himself. ...
I added the bold emphasis about the heads of the secret police.... Bet they didn't tell you ANY of this in school!
2003-01-24 03:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 23 2003, 17:12 ** Man, some of you guys are scaring me (or - perhaps that's the intention)
Hitler was not even 1% good. None. And no, "Jews" are not feeding that into my head. I know that they were instrumental in immigration reform, that their culture is antithetical to mine and that they are liberal. I know they want to exercise that influence.
I'm not "closed-minded" about this issue. But at the same time, the Nazis were pure evil. They did not have even 1/3 the public support of Germans when they won the Government in 1932, and the only reason they had ANY was due to economic strife (which I'm sure some of you will again blame the Jews for)
There is no doubt they committed genocide against Jews and other groups. Including - yes - Poles/Russians/Czechs/French and later, Americans/Brits. How come the HItler defenders (God, are there even any?) never talk about the 50M whites murdered as a result of the fool.
Oh, right: Jews baited him into those mistakes.
-Jay **
I am not sure what it means to claim that someone is not even '1% good.' The Calvinist will claim that the reprobate, not having God's saving grace, can do no good whatsoever. Is it a claim like this?
The Nazi's, I will agree, were very, very evil. And yet they had a lot of fine ideas. Jay, will you allow that people who are pure evil can have some good ideas?
I think a major problem the white nationalist movement faces is falling prey again and again to the reductio ad hitlerium fallacy. This is one that works as follows, 'Hilter advocated the mass murder of the Jews, and that is wrong. Hitler also advocated the formation of strong labor unions, so they must be wrong as well.' By the lights of the reduction ad hitlerium, we are going to have to rule the Federal highway system, 'cause, you know, Herr Pure Evil was in favor of one for Germany.
But this doesn't stop people from attacking interests in eugenics, Germanic mythology and pre-Christian culture, white racial consciousness, racial purity, and Christian/pre-Christian-Germanic synergism as all just, well, Nazi stuff--pure evil. And so nations open their borders to 3rd world immigrants, young blondes feel duty bound to shag Somalian refugees, and everyone bows at the new idol of a catholic racial accumulation--all in the name of the 'master' race, the mezzo people.
We have to get past the shadow of Hitler somehow. We need to examine Nazi thought objectively, recognizing that it will good points as well as evil ones, just like most large-scale political ideologies and movements. The Nazis pursued the possibilites for Western culture that came naturally in the early 20th century: at the time, Northern peoples finally came to a strong awareness of their roots in pre-Christian culture, and recognized the threat democracy poses to identies with such ancient foundations.
Unfortunately, the Nazi response to these cultural possibilities was deeply warped, and tied up with the cruel treatment the German received at the hands of the British and French after WWI. The religious zeal with which the Nazis took up the cause of genocide against the Jews is a monstrosity that came out of uniquely destructive set of historical contigenices, and must be distinguished for the Nazis overall interest in protecting Germanic culture. And while their facism is less contingent in its origins, one must recognize the way this fascism became particular inimical to the individual due to German historical experience as a new and newly defeated nation. In any case, the horrors of totalitarianism have been sufficiently documented as to make the case for fascism (and is this not what Hoppe does with his pro-'monarchy' talk?) un-tenable. One must recognize that anti-democratic, racially aware program of cultural conservation can be pursued within ostensibly democratic political arrangments--particularly when these lead to minimal government.
2003-01-24 04:36 | User Profile
Where, oh, where did Mr. darkeddykins come from?
KINDLY NOTE THAT FASCISM IS NOT TOTALITARIAN. It is authoritarian. And yes, there be a big diff, Rabbi Moishe.
Eddykins, I do not trust you. You spout Jewisms.
Note to Texas Dissident: I have the strange feeling that, when the crap hits the fan in 30 years, you will be saying, "why did I not listen to VNN? Why? Why?"
Mark my hate-filled words...it will happen....why not avoid the rush and become pals with VNN-ers now? Hmmm? VNN needs a BB also, and you own a BB....I see a connection there...
2003-01-24 05:23 | User Profile
Franco, I don't like you either.
While fascism doesn't have to be totalitarian in theory, that is in fact the direction it will inevitably end up heading. Once a fascist government comes to power, there is not enough opposition in place to block government incursions into citizens' affairs.
Ok, Franco, gotta go to Hebrew school now. And pick up those slices from kosher deli--yum yum.
2003-01-24 09:00 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Jan 23 2003, 23:12 ** Man, some of you guys are scaring me (or - perhaps that's the intention)
Hitler was not even 1% good.ÃÂ None.ÃÂ And no, "Jews" are not feeding that into my head.ÃÂ I know that they were instrumental in immigration reform, that their culture is antithetical to mine and that they are liberal.ÃÂ I know they want to exercise that influence.
I'm not "closed-minded" about this issue.ÃÂ But at the same time, the Nazis were pure evil.ÃÂ They did not have even 1/3 the public support of Germans when they won the Government in 1932, and the only reason they had ANY was due to economic strife (which I'm sure some of you will again blame the Jews for)
There is no doubt they committed genocide against Jews and other groups.ÃÂ Including - yes - Poles/Russians/Czechs/French and later, Americans/Brits.ÃÂ How come the HItler defenders (God, are there even any?) never talk about the 50M whites murdered as a result of the fool.ÃÂ
Oh, right: Jews baited him into those mistakes.ÃÂ
-Jay **
I agree with you.
Sir Arthur Kieth wrote what is fast becoming a sort of manifesto for WN called "Evolution and Ethics," the main thesis of which is that man is "tribal" by nature. That is, that our brains are hardwired to love our own, and to hate outsiders. We are programmed toward altruism for those we recognize as kin, and toward hatred and war for those we consider outsiders.
That's just a fact of nature, a fact of our own lives that we must accept and accomodate.
Keith stated that there are two extemes - both equally erroneous and potentially evil - that we can fall into when we think about man's nature.
One is to simply deny that human nature is important, as represented by Marxism ("Being determines consciousness!"). The USSR spent 70 years and murdered countless millions in a failed attempt to create a New Soviet Man, a fellow who by means of good education will work not for himself by for the good of society, and who harbors no narrow racial feelings. It didn't work. The USSR fell to the brute fact of two human instincts: (1) people have an instinct for property, to feel a direct ownership of the fruits of their own labor, and (2) the Russians, Georgians, Armenians, Ukrainians and so forth felt an instinctive loyalty and love for each other that could never be replaced by frothy appeals to "internationalism." Again, millions were starved to death in pursuit of the Marxist delusion, as they were in China and elsewhere where Marx's heresy gained power. The USSR was indeed the "Evil Empire", and it was evil precisely because it denied the importance of human nature.
The second error is to conflate human nature with that which is good and moral. This is the error of the Nazis. The Nazis accepted that man has immutable instincts, including the instincts for property and tribe. But the Nazis said in effect "man by nature loves his own and hates outsiders. Well, if that's the way it is, then protection of property and social welfare for Germans is as moral as pillaging and murdering Poles!" And they proceeded accordingly.
This is, of course, completely wrong. Nature points toward the moral, but it is not itself the moral and good. Our reason, as informed by faith, is the basis for the moral life. Nature points to something Higher, and our reason and faith allow us to catch a glimpse of it. Nature bespeaks the glory and goodness of Nature's God, but it must never be confused with Nature's God. This was the terrible heresy of Hitler. In short, the Nazis were pagans. They worshipped Creation rather than the Creator, and thus they fell into all of the natural cruelty that is part and parcel of all pagan cultures.
Both the Nazis and the Jewish Bolsheviks embraced these erroneous extremes, and thus committed unfathomable evils.
No Christian could ever have a good word to say about either of them.
Catholic theology has always tried to find a middle ground between these extremes. On the one hand, we accept our instincts as gifts of God, but on the other we seek to accomodate and discipline them to serve a Higher Cause. For example, we all understand that man has a sex instinct. Christians accept that, yet they do not equate sex and more sex with the moral. Rather, we are to accomodate and discipline the sex instinct such that it serves the good of society. The institutional device to accomplish this is called "marriage." Likewise, the Church recognizes that man has a "property" instinct. We do not deny man's natural acquisitiveness, nor yet do we say that it is acceptable to conflate material gain at any cost with the good. There are rules to the game, which in America are codified in the "Uniform Commercial Code." In a similar fashion, the Church has always taught that man is tribal by nature, that our loyalties to tribe are an extension of our natural love for our families, and that the division of mankind into nations possessing distinct cultures, bloodlines and territory is part of God's plan of salvation (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Articles 56-58). Our European expression of this Natural Right is the Law of Nations, beginning from the Treaty of Westphalia.
I urge all of my fellow nationalists to utterly reject the errors Germany and the USSR with their concomitant evil. America is a European, Christian and English-speaking nation. Let us build upon the firm foundations of our own heritage, rather than embracing the failed delusional thinking of foreigners.
Walter
2003-01-24 14:34 | User Profile
** Walter Yannis: The second error is to conflate human nature with that which is good and moral. This is the error of the Nazis. The Nazis accepted that man has immutable instincts, including the instincts for property and tribe. But the Nazis said in effect "man by nature loves his own and hates outsiders. Well, if that's the way it is, then protection of property and social welfare for Germans is as moral as pillaging and murdering Poles!" And they proceeded accordingly. This is, of course, completely wrong. Nature points toward the moral, but it is not itself the moral and good. Our reason, as informed by faith, is the basis for the moral life. ** Ah, but can you see the ââ¬Ëtaintingââ¬â¢ of your second point BY your first?
** The USSR fell to the brute fact of two human instincts: (1) people have an instinct for property, to feel a direct ownership of the fruits of their own labor, and (2) the Russians, Georgians, Armenians, Ukrainians and so forth felt an instinctive loyalty and love for each other that could never be replaced by frothy appeals to "internationalism."** In your explanation, youââ¬â¢ve merely replaced ââ¬ÅInternationalismââ¬Â with morality. Hereââ¬â¢s your equation: ââ¬Åpeople have an instinct for property, to feel a direct ownership of the fruits of their own laborââ¬Â ââ¬Åfelt an instinctive loyalty and love for each otherââ¬Â DOES NOT EQUAL ââ¬Åman by nature loves his own and hates outsidersââ¬Â
But in fact it DOES equal just that! You agree that itââ¬â¢s human nature for the Germans (or any group of men) to want their property and take care of their own, without addressing what happens when ââ¬Ëtaking care of their ownââ¬â¢ conflicts with some other manââ¬â¢s taking care of his own.... It ALWAYS comes down to resources (and armed might). And taking, keeping, and managing resources for your OWN tribe/group/family is ALWAYS (or should always be) the first drive of men! Letting your own tribe/group/family suffer so that some OTHER tribe/group/family benefits is against ââ¬Ëhuman natureââ¬â¢ ââ¬â even by your own description. (And doesnââ¬â¢t that describe the state of WN today?) (Or the U.S. going after someone else's oil?)
** conflate human nature with that which is good and moral. **
This is a value judgement based on your belief system, and NOT based (solely) on an observation of human nature. If you approach a nursing Rottweiler, and it is IN THE INSTINCTIVE NATURE OF THAT DOG to attack you to protect her own, is that dog thereby EVIL? Or is she merely acting in accordance with her nature? If your (oneââ¬â¢s) instinct for property and loyalty and love for each other (for your own, actually) is threatened by the approach of someone who ALSO has that instinct, but for a DIFFERENT ââ¬Ëeach otherââ¬â¢ ââ¬â whose nature prevails? And which one is evil?
This is the most common flaw I see in addressing the ââ¬Å100% evilââ¬Â Nazis ââ¬â they werenââ¬â¢t: they were taking care of their own! And the ââ¬Åjudgementââ¬Â of evil is based on whoââ¬â¢s writinââ¬â¢ the history ââ¬â and to what purpose. IF the Germans had been ââ¬Åallowedââ¬Â to ship ââ¬Åtheirââ¬Â jews (ââ¬Åtheirââ¬Â cowbird chicks) off to Russia, where the jews were destroying the white Christian peoples (oh, hey! Werenââ¬â¢t THEY acting in accord with THEIR human nature?), then the horrors of WWII would have been avoided. It was the jews who declared war on Germany: they instituted an economic attack on the Germansââ¬â¢ ââ¬Åinstinct for property and loyalty and love for each other,ââ¬Â so why should the Germans NOT attack back?) But Britain wanted to destroy the German economic power because it was harming BRITAINââ¬â¢S ââ¬Åinstinct for property and loyalty and love for each other,ââ¬Â so Britain managed and maneuvered everyone into the war....
(And how, then, does America fit in? Was ANY of our "property and loyalty and love for each other" under threat? So, did we even have a dog in that fight? Or were we suckered into it to protect someone ELSE'S property and loyalty and love for each other? How white of us <_< to kill off OUR young men to protect someone else's property and loyalty and love for each other to the detriment of OUR own!)
Can you see how in every instance, it always devolves to the ââ¬Åinstinct for property and loyalty and love for each other,ââ¬Â which youââ¬â¢ve agreed is human nature? And any judgement of morality in relation to that is ALWAYS the judgement depending on where you stand! If the Rottweiler BITES you, you are bleeding and unhappy, but that doesnââ¬â¢t make her evil! YOU trespassed on her instinct for property and loyalty and love for her own. If you trespass on any human groupââ¬â¢s property and loyalty and love for her own, why SHOULDNââ¬â¢T you get bitten?
Let me just add: Those who beat their swords into plowshares WILL plough for those who don't. THIS is immutable law!!
2003-01-24 14:42 | User Profile
You go, girlfriend!
2003-01-24 14:55 | User Profile
Oh. Thanks so much!!! It was just the first thing that occurred to me when I read his message... I mean, isn't it WILDLY clear that he's just substituting one for the other?
It may be because I've done SO MUCH reading :rolleyes: but it's clear that the Nazi's were RIGHT! See how the world has been 'filled' by socialism/communism because the Allies (at someone ELSE'S behest) destroyed the main hope for STOPPING communism! All the supposed "Allied goals" of WWII have been lost, subverted, sold out, destroyed, and given away. All the things the Germans were fighting AGAINST have come to pass. Hitler supported Britain's empire -- and Britain destroyed both him and it -- to their OWN detriment!! Hitler wanted to contain communism (a CLEARLY JEWISH endeavor!) and its destruction and ruin of human life -- and instead "we've" allowed it to spread and spread and spread! (And destroy destroy destroy!!)
We WERE on the wrong side!!
2003-01-24 15:12 | User Profile
Seriously for a minute - you're quickly becoming my favorite newcomer here, Av.
Always a wealth of valuable info, and clearly enunciated logic and argument, in seemingly everything you post. Keep throwin' the book at 'em, toots.
2003-01-24 16:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Jan 24 2003, 09:12 ** Seriously for a minute - you're quickly becoming my favorite newcomer here, Av.
Always a wealth of valuable info, and clearly enunciated logic and argument, in seemingly everything you post. Keep throwin' the book at 'em, toots. **
Man, I don't see that at all. I think she's going off the deep end with rabid-anti semitism. There's a difference btw. being aware of issues/problems/causes and becoming consumed with 1 explanation or conspiracy theory.
But, I guess different strokes for different folks.
-Jay
2003-01-24 17:38 | User Profile
Il ragno: Always a wealth of valuable info, and clearly enunciated logic and argument, in seemingly everything you post. (Blush) Well, thank you so much! You can attribute it to my own native intelligence ( :P :D ) and NeoNietzsche's teachings (you'll notice, I hasten to add, I am NOT merely parroting a NeoN party line... but actually can formulate my own constructions in answer to various points by other members! tee hee hee! B) )
Jay: There's a difference btw. being aware of issues/problems/causes and becoming consumed with 1 explanation or conspiracy theory.
So Jay? Were you a doctor, would you address only the symptoms and ignore the underlying disease? Pretend, for a minute, that AIDS were curable. You are saying that as a doctor, I should treat someone with AIDS who gets a rash, pneumonia, hives, sores in the mouth, and diarrhea with skin cream, oxygen, more skin cream, oral anesthetic, and Kaopectate -- but let them CONTINUE to suffer from AIDS? And not only not try to TREAT the AIDS, but not even tell the patient he has it?!
The more you.... diagnose.... what's wrong with the U.S. (and much of the white world), the more clear it is that the underlying disease is jewish! And treating ALL the symptoms and associated ills (immigration, feminism, liberalism, Boasian anthropology, communism, Frankfurt school, war with Iraq, "immorality" in the media ) will NEVER cure the 'patient (that'd be US!) You MUST treat the actual disease! Otherwise, you'll NEVER heal the patient.
2003-01-24 18:02 | User Profile
I don't know, Av. Revilo Oliver said whites have several character flaws that contribute to our gullibility. Do Jews play on these weaknesses? Yep. Do black? Yep. Hispanics? AIDS victims, gays, atheists, on and on?
Yep.
Whites don't like incivility. We don't like "getting our hands dirty" with things like torture or pain. Hispanics play on our stupid attachment to our history by telling us "See! You know how it felt - or must have felt - when your great-great-great-great-half-sister's-aunt's-best friend's-neighbor was an immigrant eons ago!" and the white saps fall for it, knowing only we care about our history. Most hispanics, I bet, don't even know much about their heritage.
We're held as saps by so many. Including - drumroll, please - the atheists! In a country where 94% of people profess belief in God and 86% are Christian, we allow atheists to not only have equal say - but often, greater say!
I wonder what the jew-bashing atheists on this board think of this conundrum. They bitch about the undue influence of the 2% (Jews) - then demand that the 4% (Atheists) have equal say in social policy. HOGWASH, and totally hipocritical.
-Jay
2003-01-24 19:23 | User Profile
I completely agree with Jay that an over-focus on Jews is detrimental to white interests--to use Avalanche's medical analogies, concentrating on Jews is like only treating the very first carriers of a plague virus, and ignoring the millions who went on to catch the *ressentiment * disease.
However, I would point out that there is large difference between being ethnically Jewish and being an atheist. One can choose to be an atheist or not, but if one is born a Jew, than one is a Jew.
At the same time, I completely agree that non-Christian have too much power in our society. The 1st amendement has been distorted by the liberals--and the neocons often sign on as well.
2003-01-24 19:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Jan 24 2003, 00:36 **Note to Texas Dissident: I have the strange feeling that, when the crap hits the fan in 30 years, you will be saying, "why did I not listen to VNN? Why? Why?"
Mark my hate-filled words...it will happen....why not avoid the rush and become pals with VNN-ers now? Hmmm? VNN needs a BB also, and you own a BB....I see a connection there...**
VNN is an informative site which often has articles that are sophisticated and very useful. Some would say one of its flaws, however, includes the harsh language used in the front-page spintros on the site. Others have argued that this is one of their strengths because it speaks to a potentially large working-class audience that hasn't the time or inclination for a headier approach. Only time can decide that question. I am capable of looking beyond the language and accepting the site as it is.
Both VNN and OD are doing quite well for themselves. The way I see it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hence, OD is best served by remaining independent from other sites' editorial lines, including VNN. One of the strengths of the Internet is the wide variety of sites and information available that you can't get in the "mainstream," and an important component of that is the independence of those sites.
That independence becomes even more important since the FBI is out there gunning for dissidents these days--it seems better to have many independent fires out there burning instead of just one large one--that makes it harder for the government to stamp out dissent with just one blow.
Any merging or alliance between OD and VNN might tend to squash that variety and that difference of styles and content, and I think such a monolith would inevitably alienate certain audiences (on both sides of the aisle). In the end, such an alliance would serve fewer people.
2003-01-24 19:39 | User Profile
Jay, I'll have to think about how best to answer you, but let me just toss you this -- who do you think it is that is forcing Christianity OUT of public life, the atheists or the jews? The guy who sued to cancel the Pledge was NOT atheist, he was a JEW! Most atheists (of which I am one) don't CARE if you-all Christians want to pray at football games, or start graduations with a prayer. It may make me uncomfortable, but I recognize that MOST people find it good, and so I go along with having it in public. (I dunno, was Maddie O'Hare JUST atheist, or was she a jew too? She sure fit a lot of other jewish... symptoms.) It's jews who are raisin' a ruckus about how: 'it's unfair to focus on/allow the christian god when jewish children are forced to hear it.'
d-eddy: I completely agree with Jay that an over-focus on Jews is detrimental to white interests--to use Avalanche's medical analogies, concentrating on Jews is like only treating the very first carriers of a plague virus, and ignoring the millions who went on to catch the ressentiment disease. No, it's like not bothering to lock up Typhoid Mary, and ONLY trying to treat those she'd already passed it to! While SHE is still spreading it futher around (to blacks, Hispanics, AIDS victims, gays, atheists, Hindus, women, and on and on... It's a VERY contagious disease!!)
**At the same time, I completely agree that non-Christian have too much power in our society. The 1st amendement has been distorted by the liberals--and the neocons often sign on as well. ** Hasn't the First been MORE corrupted by jewish programs and management (TV&movies, journalism, academia, law, publishing...) which the Christians sign on to or just can't stop? Liberals and neocons all HAVE the "jewish disease," and are spreading it themselves!
2003-01-24 19:52 | User Profile
Those darn atheists! All those ungodly shrines to the atheists Hitler poisecuted to death, 6,000,000 movies about atheists' suffering, our presidents kneeling before that big atheist flag. Next thing you know we'll be going to war against the rest of the world, again, that the atheists might live to shine their light on us. Oh, and let's do something about the atheists who direct national and interntional finance and media. Bloody thick water connects that network!
Yep, our pharisees, gentlemen, are the atheists. :o
2003-01-24 19:55 | User Profile
As I understand it, Avalanche, you want to lock up 'Typhoid Mary,' and maybe after we do that, deal with the other plague carriers. But the sick horse is out of the barn, for god's sake. Yes, Jews did a lot of damage--being the victim of masses of pogrom and extermination programs tend to make one rather ill-disposed towards one's fellow humanity, questions of biological strategies aside. But it's too late to just focus on Jews, especially if one believes, as I do, that many Jews have come to awareness of the damage that their ancestors and leftist co-religionists have wrought.
I am not sure how much damage atheists, as a group, have done. My point is that the law has been distorted to give them an unfair degree of influence.
2003-01-24 21:44 | User Profile
**Dark eddy: Avalanche, you want to lock up 'Typhoid Mary,' and maybe after we do that, deal with the other plague carriers. But the sick horse is out of the barn, for god's sake. ** Yes, and so more than rounding up ANY other horses -- you have got to shoot the SICK horse! The plague carriers that you prefer to catch first are being 'sickened' and turned loose BY the jews! The plagues that are destroying us are JEWISH programs (diseases!) and they are continuing to sicken more and more people, to spread their disease more and more widely! (Let's be clear -- Typhoid Mary was IMMUNE to the disease-- she was sickening folks, who were sickening still more folks before they DIED (and thus quit spreading it!)! But she was spreading MORE death than the folks she made sick, who could NOT continue to "ply her trade" once they had died of her disease... (MAN! This metaphor is getting deep! :D )
The original vector of the disease must be contained, because IT sickens more than the sick folks created by the vector can -- think: if some Muslim group manages to release a bunch of folks with smallpox, just "rounding up" the ones who are sickened will NOT stop the new vectors from spreading it. You must stop the "factory."
I'm NOT saying don't treat the sickened (in fact :P I think of my messages here as vaccinations or medicine for those just beginning to recognize they're getting sick!) but you must STOP those who are creating the disease carriers... To clarify: to stop the immigration overload, the liberalism and feminism that's destroying american family (the destruction of 'Christianity in public' that's de-civilizing the country!!), we can try to treat only those things. BUT, unless we STOP the creators of those illnesses (the jews!), we will NEVER stop the transmission of those and other such diseases!
**Yes, Jews did a lot of damage--being the victim of masses of pogrom and extermination programs ** You've got it backwards! -- they were the "victims" of progroms BECAUSE they had FIRST killed millions of Ukrainian Christians, and Russian Orthodox and so on -- the Russian folks weren't KILLING the jews because they hated them for being jeiwsh, they were killing them because the jews had already killed millions of their relatives and friends and fellow villagers! The progroms were retribution, not catalyst!!
The destruction of the Russia and Ukrainian populace was done BY JEWS -- did you skip over the lists I put here? Do you think the Russian and Ulkrainian Christians did NOT know who was destroying them? (And I mention only those two countries cause I just recently read a HORROR of reports of what was done to Ukranians by the bolsheviks -- who were JEWS!) They HATED Jews because Jews destroyed their country, and tortured and killed their fellow nationals. The Russians and Ukrainians KILLED jews whenever they could because jews had killed millions and millions of THEIR people!! (Do some reading -- see what torture and destruction THE JEWS committed against the peasant population in Russia and Ukraine! Horrors!)
No one hates jews because they're smart or rich! They hate jews because of what the jews DO to the people they live amongst! You're saying mean things about atheists, but you haven't caught yet that atheists are supported by the jews... (No one hates America because of our freedom and riches -- else Arabs would also be bombing Sweden and Japan!)
** tend to make one rather ill-disposed towards one's fellow humanity, questions of biological strategies aside. But it's too late to just focus on Jews, especially if one believes, as I do, that many Jews have come to awareness of the damage that their ancestors and leftist co-religionists have wrought.** hhhmmm, I guess they have, which would explain the neocons gloating about the destruction of white Christian America.. They ARE aware of what their ancestors have done, and are carrying it ON today! (And pushing it farther and faster too! And more openly!)
** I am not sure how much damage atheists, as a group, have done. My point is that the law has been distorted to give them an unfair degree of influence. ** That would be by jewish lawyers and judges, and the jewish controlled legislatures?
2003-01-24 21:59 | User Profile
Typhoid Mary might have been immune; doesn't mean her relatives were.
Your account of pogroms is a fantasy. Jewish aggression was minimial, and could have been solved by expulsion, as was the case in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. But that wouldn't satisfy white Christian bloodlust. Hey, we are human too.
You can reject my point that Jews have become aware of the damage they are doing to the societies they rely upon, but don't bother with twisting around my meanings. It's just boring.
2003-01-25 00:23 | User Profile
Actually, darkeddy is correct in a small sense -- when Avalanche said "You've got it backwards! -- they were the "victims" of progroms BECAUSE they had FIRST killed millions of Ukrainian Christians, and Russian Orthodox and so on," that was actually later. I think darkeddy referred to, say, the 1880s, when Jews were "persecuted" in Russia.
HOWEVER, the Jews during that time period were the revolutionaries, the bomb-throwers, the racial bigots who spat on anyone who was not Jewish. So the argument is basically the same -- anti-Semitism is a REACTION, not an action. Always. Each time.
2003-01-25 00:45 | User Profile
It simply doesn't matter anymore. It is wrong that a nation of Christ-deniers inhabits the Holy Land and calls itself Israel. That is infallibly a blot in the eye of God. But what matters is love and understanding. We are all children of God, don't let your disposition of the moment, however justified, change the mercy in your heart. Those who refuse or misrepresent Life will have their own justice to deal with.
2003-01-27 07:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 24 2003, 14:34 ** In your explanation, youââ¬â¢ve merely replaced ââ¬ÅInternationalismââ¬Â with morality. Hereââ¬â¢s your equation: ââ¬Åpeople have an instinct for property, to feel a direct ownership of the fruits of their own laborââ¬Â ââ¬Åfelt an instinctive loyalty and love for each otherââ¬Â DOES NOT EQUAL ââ¬Åman by nature loves his own and hates outsidersââ¬Â
But in fact it DOES equal just that! You agree that itââ¬â¢s human nature for the Germans (or any group of men) to want their property and take care of their own, without addressing what happens when ââ¬Ëtaking care of their ownââ¬â¢ conflicts with some other manââ¬â¢s taking care of his own.... It ALWAYS comes down to resources (and armed might). And taking, keeping, and managing resources for your OWN tribe/group/family is ALWAYS (or should always be) the first drive of men! Letting your own tribe/group/family suffer so that some OTHER tribe/group/family benefits is against ââ¬Ëhuman natureââ¬â¢ ââ¬â even by your own description. ( **
You're missing the main point.
We agree that human nature is to love one's own and to hate one's enemies. There is no doubt that man is endowed of a dual nature - that which Keith called it the "Code of Amity" and the "Code of Enmity."
Your mistake is in thinking that that's the end of the story. You ignore the fact that man's nature is also endowed with a profound conviction that there is something higher than the merely Natural. This is especially true of our race - Europeans have relentlessly pursued moral philosophy for as long as there were Europeans. This need to seek something beyond is as much a constituent part of our natures as is Keith's Dual Code.
Thus, your position is slyly dishonest. You claim to accept human nature, yet you selectively ignore one part of human nature; e.g. "the better angels of our natures."
You would thus reduce the human condition to that of a nursing dog - a telling analogy. But men are not mere beasts, Avalanche. God gave man reason and faith to see beyond the merely natural, which is itself an undeniable part of human nature.
You thus make man something less than what he clearly is, and it is precisely this denigration of the human that unites all of the great ideological heresies of the West - including especially Jewish Bolshevism and the Pagan/Romanticist Nazism of modern times. These heresies reduce man to a mere beast, and so it should come as no surprise that the Jewish Bolsheviks and the German Nazis resorted to the most inhuman of methods. Yet, because men are in fact more than mere beasts, we feel and instinctive revulsion for their crimes (I think you'll admit that your nursing dog would not feel any remorse for biting a stranger). That, too, is an undeniable part of our genetic endowment. To deny that is only to invite more of the same atrocities.
By the way, Keith agreed broadly with my position that the natural may not properly be conflated with the moral. I take it that he was an atheist, yet as a thorough empiricist could not deny man's instinctive drive to seek something higher.
I urge you to expand your reading to include the works of Chesterton and Belloc (our greatest contemporary nationalists), who address these issues brilliantly. I would be pleased to discuss them with you.
Regards,
Walter
2003-01-27 14:56 | User Profile
Walter Y.: You ignore the fact that man's nature is also endowed with a profound conviction that there is something higher than the merely Natural. This is especially true of our race - Europeans have relentlessly pursued moral philosophy for as long as there were Europeans. No, actually I don't. I think there is innate to many men a reaching out/up for something greater. I actually DO struggle to balance my... belief... in the Great Tao, in metaphysics, in ââ¬Ëbetterââ¬â¢ (moral?) nature, with my understanding of the brutality and 'animal-nature' of man (which is "merely Natural"). (The old Jewish guy in the toga just DOESN'T do it for me! ;) No "personal gods" here!)
Somehow (and I'd guess it's related to "all of the great ideological heresies of the West - including especially Jewish Bolshevism and the Pagan/Romanticist Nazism of modern times") Europeans have decided that since THEY have a ( :) I'll say it outright) SUPERIOR moral sense, that therefore everyone else does too! I was suggesting not that ALL men are nursing dogs, but rather, one must completely differentiate BETWEEN those who reach for the Something Greater, and those who bite like dogs!
The European/white/Christian's great moral failing is to FAIL to recognize this difference among humans! ââ¬ÅWhy if we only feed and cloth them (and bring WAY too many of them here) they, too, can discover this!ââ¬Â NOT! :angry:
** Thus, your position is slyly dishonest. You claim to accept human nature, yet you selectively ignore one part of human nature; e.g. "the better angels of our natures." ** So is your position! You assign to EVERYTHING human "the better angels of our natures" without recognizing that NOT ALL HUMANS have this!
Is there any ââ¬Ëbetterââ¬â¢ nature to Hutus and Tutsis ââ¬â of whom even their putatively Christian RELIGIOUS hacked and burned and murdered? No angels there!
** But men are not mere beasts, Avalanche. God gave man reason and faith to see beyond the merely natural, which is itself an undeniable part of human nature. You thus make man something less than what he clearly is, ** Nah, some men ARE mere beasts! And the beast nature is STRONGER than the angel nature! And it seems awfully true that the angel nature appears in some races and not in others, or in such small proportions as to make it negligable.
The flaw is so much ââ¬Åhigher than the merely Naturalââ¬Â belief (and, I postulate, that seems to mean mostly European/Christians) is that the VAST Majority of humanity is just not there yet! The altruism, the loving-kindness, the expectation of MUTUAL higher nature is just stupidity! God ALSO gave (some of) ââ¬Ëmanââ¬â¢ the powers of differentiation. Somehow, Christianity has chosen to believe that it is a SIN, and so they fail to differentiate between those men who are endowed with the reach for higher nature, and those who are animals who would destroy them! And SO THEY WILL BE DESTROYED!!! (And no, for me, the whole ââ¬Ëreward in heavenââ¬â¢ thing is just more EXCUSE for inaction, for continuing to be stupid and shortsighted and refusing to differentiate!)
2003-01-27 15:15 | User Profile
** Walter again: You thus make man something less than what he clearly is, and it is precisely this denigration of the human that unites all of the great ideological heresies of the West - including especially Jewish Bolshevism and the Pagan/Romanticist Nazism of modern times. These heresies reduce man to a mere beast, and so it should come as no surprise that the Jewish Bolsheviks and the German Nazis resorted to the most inhuman of methods. Yet, because men are in fact more than mere beasts, we feel and instinctive revulsion for their crimes (I think you'll admit that your nursing dog would not feel any remorse for biting a stranger). That, too, is an undeniable part of our genetic endowment. To deny that is only to invite more of the same atrocities. ** Nah. To deny the animal nature of man is to invite atrocities! The GERMANS were renowned (even as they were slandered like crazy) for NOT raping and pillaging the locals! Unlike the Russias/Bolsheviks who raped and killed EVERYWHERE, the Germans were surprising to the local populations because not only did they NOT rape and pillage, Hitler actually required that they PAY for what they took! THEY WERE GENTLEMEN! THEY had a sense of Something Higher. The Americans and Brits and esp. the jews were ââ¬Ëreducedââ¬â¢ to mere beasts in that horrid war.
The more research I do into the ACTUAL history or WWII, the more revulsion I feel for jews and Americans and Brits and the horrors of THEIR CRIMES! (The atrocities we are ââ¬Ëtaughtââ¬â¢ occurred were, in fact, the LESSER atrocities of the war!) Of 37 high ranking Nazis who were ââ¬Ëquestionedââ¬â¢ for the Nuremburg trials ââ¬â 36 of them suffered PERMANENT DAMAGE TO THEIR TESTICLES! Is it any wonder they testified to whatever the JEWS running the so-called trials wanted?
** By the way, Keith agreed broadly with my position that the natural may not properly be conflated with the moral. I take it that he was an atheist, yet as a thorough empiricist could not deny man's instinctive drive to seek something higher. ** Yes, but the natural must not be DENIED in order to pretend the moral is everywhere in everyone! And NOT all men have a drive to seek something higher!
** I urge you to expand your reading to include the works of Chesterton and Belloc (our greatest contemporary nationalists), who address these issues brilliantly. I would be pleased to discuss them with you. ** I shall look into them both.