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Thread ID: 4528 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2003-01-19
2003-01-19 20:08 | User Profile
Today in Sunday school at the Trinity Worship Center in Cumming, Georgia we were studying Chapters 47-49 of Genesis. We read the part where Jacob/Israel blessed his descendents. Our teacher then read the 11th chapter of Romans from the New Living Bible translation that states:
(v. 1) I ask, then, has God rejected his people, the Jews? Of course not! Remember I myself am a Jew, a descendant of Abraham and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
He continued to read most of the chapter in which the word ââ¬ÅJewââ¬Â was mentioned several times. This struck me as odd so I looked in my King James Version (KJV) where it is translated,
(v.1) I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the bribe of Benjamin.
The first appearance of the word ââ¬ÅJewââ¬Â in verse one is just blantantly inserted. This is obviously in order to connect the idea that the ââ¬ÅJewsââ¬Â are Godââ¬â¢s people in the mind of the reader. The KJV uses the word Israelite not ââ¬ÅJewââ¬Â as does the New Living Bible. Since we attend a denomination that believes in the verbal inspiration of the Word of God, I wondered what exact word had the living God inspired here, Jew or Israelite?
I looked it up in Strongââ¬â¢s exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. Which listed it as word #2475, for the word that was used:
ââ¬Â¦For I also am an I (2475)
I then looked up word #2475 in the Greek Dictionary of the New Testament in Strongââ¬â¢s and got this word an ââ¬ÅIsraelite.ââ¬Â
There is a BIG difference between Israelite and Jew in the Bible. God goes to pains to differentiate the two. Shouldnââ¬â¢t we?
Not one verse in the Bible says Jews are Godââ¬â¢s chosen people, but many say that Israel is. Jewry and Israel are not the same. Jacob-Israel had 12 sons, one of whom was named Judah for whom the Jews are named. All true Judahites (Jews) are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Judahites. The first mention of Jews in the Bible is II Kings 16:6, when the Jews were at war with Israel, so they couldnââ¬â¢t be the same.
2003-01-20 00:14 | User Profile
Good point, Samuel. I have maintained that the state of Israel should properly be called "Judea" or "Judah" since its people are descendants of that tribe (and the assimilated tribe of Benjamin) The Kingdom of Israel and its people were destroyed by the Assyrians and have not been heard from since. The actual territory of a Jewish state (if we allow for such an entity)would properly consist only of the area immediately surrounding Jerusalem, the territory historically belonging to Judah.
2003-01-20 00:23 | User Profile
Samuel and Maximillian,
I would also suggest you read Galatians 3-4 in the KJV.
Important stuff there.
*28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.*
--Galatians 3:28-29 (KJV)
You may also be interested in Deuteronomy 28, and ask yourself if the state of Israel is keeping the covenants.
[url=http://www.desiringgod.org/library/fresh_words/2002/041702.html]Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?[/url]
[url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27395]Does Israel belong to the Jews?[/url]
The new covenant is not about an earthly kingdom.
2003-01-22 23:21 | User Profile
"Give not what is Holy unto dogs" Yahshua (Jesus) also said "Go not into the cities of the Samaritans but go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Christianity is meant to be for True Israel the Celtic,Saxon and kindred peoples.
Paul was a man and fallible as all of us are.
2003-01-25 14:13 | User Profile
There can be no doubt the two different races are spoken of here. Paul said he was an Israelite, and that he was the apostle to the Gentiles. Where did he go? He went to Greece, the Italian peninsula, etc...
The elect among the Israelites are saved, the bulk hardened.
The Jews of the time of Christ are what Paul is speaking of. People of 4 different tribes are spoken of as living in the area of Christ, not two. Judah, Benjamin, Levi and Asher.
True Israel is composed of people of every tribe, nation and language who's names were written down in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world.
As in the begining, when Abraham's non biologically related servants were circumcised, the elect has nothing to do with race. The fact that ones' mommy is a Jewess means nothing. The fact that one's daddy was a Kelt means nothing.
The Christian people are a folk of faith, not race.