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Thread ID: 4497 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2003-01-17
2003-01-17 16:03 | User Profile
The risk communication specialist, Dr. Peter Sandman has a really good column (he's consulting for the CDC and govt) on what the govt should be saying about the proposed smallpox vaccinations... [url=http://www.psandman.com]http://www.psandman.com[/url]
I have submitted a 'comment' to his guest book, which he answered...
The points I brought up for him to answer:
** There are three things that Iââ¬â¢m not sure were discussed adequately in your smallpox column ([url=http://www.psandman.com/col/smallpox.htm]Smallpox Vaccination: Some Risk Communication Linchpins[/url]). They are:
I recommend his column and my comments.... B)
2003-01-24 07:23 | User Profile
DITTO Avalanche...
I'm lazy... although, now I look for the posts of Avalanche... as a help... in sincerity... as more than someone useful, in my own personal correction... That's another thing good about the west... We view our women as a help, and sometimes, case by case, even superior... in so many regards... even though they too, being human, can, and sometimes do, also... go astray... B)
Don't worry Avalanche... if necessary I'll kick your butt, back into shape... like you did mine...
2003-01-24 14:42 | User Profile
although, now I look for the posts of Avalanche... as a help... in sincerity... as more than someone useful, in my own personal correction Oh... blush... thank you, kind George.
Don't worry Avalanche... if necessary I'll kick your butt, back into shape... like you did mine. I feel free to call on you then, if I need it! :lol: :D
Sandman has addressed my.... slightly hostile, reactionary... questions in his comment book...
2003-01-25 05:44 | User Profile
"I feel free to call on you then, if I need it!" -Avalanche
Yeah, no problem... I've got a giant FOOT which I've broken off in untold number of buttocks... male & female... why I still to this day, & I hate it, walk with a limp...
2003-01-25 14:30 | User Profile
I've got a giant FOOT which I've broken off in untold number of buttocks.. hhhmmm, My guess is I'd not need so... forceful... a reminder. The mere raising of one finger and eyebrow is generally sufficient! :huh:
(And it needn't even be the MIDDLE finger!)
2003-01-26 04:33 | User Profile
Now why would you be talking to a "Risk Communications Expert"?
For the novice: the piece cited shows: "RISK = HAZARD + OUTRAGE" (??) -- some kind of PR guy "Peter Sandman, predicating all over the place on how the government, and health care providers, etc., will be talking about vaccine responses to "bioterrorism" attacks. For the record, there has been no (0) bioterrist attack except, of course, the weaponized anthrax mailed to liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle after 9/11, by some friend of Israel and the pharmaceuticals...
So there is no reason whatever for this person to exist, if it is a person, and to be talking giberish about how to talk about a fictitious -- but clearly anticipated, if not planned, down to last iota by these people -- "possible attack." We have learned this week of the installation of 3,000 germ-monitoring sensors across the country, presumably with someone in charge authorized to report an OUTBREAK!
Do you, Avalanche, agree, or disagree, with "Peter"'s statement in response to your third question about the government right to force vaccinations? -- "Clearly, the government does reserve the right to require vaccination against infectuous diseases."
Clearly (if I may prod you a bit toward the right answer)
1. "the givernment" "reserves" no "rights" whatsoever;
2. the assertion that it does reverses the constitution.
3. in this particular case, most certainly, no inherent right to require vaccination, as if a person's blood was at the governments disposal, and those with natural blood, as opposed to the shot-up with cowpus kind, were a danger. (get that logic?)
4. the fact that this is asserted as a "retained right" by "the government" is probably extrapolated from laws requiring shots to attend Jefferson's public school. Falsely derived; but, clearly, the motive of vaccination talk, per se, is to get people thinking about their health like school children under the care of Uncle Sam and Dr. Sandman. Good as 9/11 was for the Jews, this is even better for the healing industry.
5. after small pox, anthrax, West Nile Virus (big splash announced ater Steven Hatfill was busted down in bayou contry -- then, swoosh, gone tomorrow), what's next? Ebola?, Marburg?... gotta stay ahead of virus mutations, too ... jolt after jolt to the auto-immune system...white blood cells mechanically mobilized to fight for deoxygenizing red ones ... permanent dependency...mega-pharmaceutical$.
6. The fact that this spammer's discussion doesn't mention the work of Dr. Len Horowtiz, at tetrahedron.org, who extensively covered the poisoner's program both before and after the anthrax letters...when his is the authoritative, on-the-spot, continuing history, detailing, for instance, how mass vaccines in Africa presaged the outbreak of AIDS two generations later, and in America in the Hepatatis B experiment on Gays in New York, from mangebay monkees contaminated from secret Ft. Detrick experimentation fiacos; the Rockefeller Institute's American Culture CollectionTypes as the source of Saddam Hussein's fine strains of bioweapon research material...or other salient facts about WWII poison manufacture of, for example, ZYKLON B by Nazi scientists, seems to have been continued through secret CIA links to residual companies. All this is fully documented elsewhere, and recomended to anyone before they pop off about vaccination (which is anti-Christ, =666, poisoning whoseever blood, whether it is pure Ayan, or not)
7. Aren't you even hooked up with Robert Preston?, Navy Sec. Danzig? New Yorker? Any of those poison pushers with class?
night night, Peter
2003-01-26 05:29 | User Profile
**WeirdWombat: " Do you, Avalanche, agree, or disagree, with "Peter"'s statement in response to your third question about the government right to force vaccinations? -- Clearly, the government does reserve the right to require vaccination against infectuous diseases." ** Does it MATTER whether I agree or not? The govt doesn't CARE whether it's constitutional or not -- do you REALLY think the govt is NOT "reserving that right" to itself?!? Since when has "being LEGALLY entitled" EVER stopped the govt?!? Don't be naive! Geez, haven't you read? They're pushing through a LAW that allows state govts to CONFISCATE your property if you refuse vaccination!! And LOCK you up!
I was 'talking' to him, because he wrote an interesting article about some things the govt is looking into... And he did NOT mention the things I brought up! And if you think just reading about folks who say you should not be vaccinated gives you ANY information about what the govt is PLANNING to do, then you're awfully shortsighted!
Good as 9/11 was for the Jews, this is even better for the healing industry. No, because the doctors are clamouring for NOT vaccinating everyone! THEY want to avoid the deaths and serious side effects. Didn't you read Sandman's article? Where he pointed out that the intelligence and anti-terrorism folks are pushing for WAY more vaccinating then the medical folks want?
**and recomended to anyone before they pop off about vaccination ** So, you gonna LET them take your house and lock you up instead of/before they vaccinate you?
no (0) bioterrist attack except, of course, the weaponized anthrax Oh, so, there's been none except one? Interesting math! (And I guess you've forgotten the AumRyko sarin attack? Or doesn't that count?)
2003-01-26 16:26 | User Profile
You can't answer answer a direct question, can you?
Until you show that you know what Len Horotitz is about, you have nothing to say on this topic. He's covered it. And you, too, appparently.
The government cannot "reserve" any "rights" because the language of the constitution doesn't give give it any to "reserve", only to preserve. So unless you don't agree that what he said is wrong, nopt only do you not know what the constitution says, as he doesn't, you have let Dr. Peter Sandman verbally strip you of yours. And its the most important one -- you right to your own blood. Is that OK? What would NN say? I would shoot anybody between the f*cking eyes if they tried to come get my blood without permission, and I can't understand anyone who wouldn't. Must grow something besides Americans down your way.
Of course I didn't read that crap. Anybody who did would wind up being as crazy as you.
Where did you say you came across this "interesting article"? You think its US govt.? Where did you get your info about them taking property for refusing vaccination? First I'd heard of that.
DId you have "some thoughts on vaccination", as the topic blog said? You forgot to say what they might be.
2003-01-27 18:23 | User Profile
I encourage debate... which apparently I've done here... to some, but not enough of an extent... I also encourage NOT using remedies or alleged remedies unless & until PROVED both necessary & SAFE... just like it's stupid to take vitamins... that give more than you need... they back up in one's system... Unless, no matter in what dose, they pass right through one's system... like Vitamin C or the VERY important calcium-magnesium... which MUST be taken in powder form dissolved first in liquids...
Just ask, my big TOE... Avalanche, have you taken your Cal-Mag today in powder form, first dissolved in liquid?
Womb-bat-nine... have you? I may strikeOut with womb-bat-nine... I only Reach a big fat 8 when Saluting Marylin & the Brigadier General... (pretending he's not there.) Fantasy, it's the only way to go (sometimes), it's the only way I know (sometimes)... but only when appropriate...
P.S. actually I reach a big fat 16... a woman once told me when speaking of one's privates... a man should double it, since women divide by 2...
2003-01-27 19:03 | User Profile
Watch out, Avalanche.
G----E is gonna try to sell you some coral calcium at a ridiculous markup. Maybe G-----'s real name is Robert Barefoot - King of the coral calcium ripoffs.
OK, G----e, get it over with.
Let's hear your pitch for CC.
You say that CC must be taken in in powder form then dissolved in a liquid before ingesting.
What's your liquid of choice, G----E?
I bet it ain't water.
BURP!!!!
2003-01-27 20:10 | User Profile
** Weirdwombat: You can't answer a direct question, can you?** Which question of yours is it you think I havenââ¬â¢t answered?
** Until you show that you know what Len Horotitz is about, you have nothing to say on this topic. He's covered it. And you, too, apparently. Thatââ¬â¢s just silly -- shall I say the same thing of you? Until you SHOW that you know what I wrote and what Sandman wrote back, ââ¬Åyou have nothing to say on this topic.ââ¬Â
** The government cannot "reserve" any "rights" because the language of the constitution doesn't give it any to "reserve", only to preserve. ** Perhaps I was being too... subtle... for you. The govt SAYS itââ¬â¢s reserving, by which it means it is TAKING BY FORCE what-ever-the-hell Ã��â¬Årightsââ¬Â you think you have and you think they canââ¬â¢t take! Can you not follow that the govt can phrase it however they want, as they DO whatever they want?! If you mean you mean to ââ¬Ëclarifyââ¬â¢ that the govt is acting in a un-Constitutional manner.... well, duh! Anyone here not already know that?
** So unless you don't agree that what he said is wrong, not only do you not know what the constitution says, as he doesn't, you have let Dr. Peter Sandman verbally strip you of yours. And its the most important one -- you right to your own blood. Is that OK? What would NN say? I would shoot anybody between the fcking eyes if they tried to come get my blood without permission, and I can't understand anyone who wouldn't. Must grow something besides Americans down your way.*
Do you REALLY think it matters the smallest bit to ââ¬Åyourââ¬Â govt if itââ¬â¢s ââ¬Åyourââ¬Â blood? If you get stopped for drunk driving, you gonna shoot you a cop, or wait till they haul you off to the hospital to test ââ¬Åyourââ¬Â blood and then shoot the nurse? You can ââ¬Åbelieveââ¬Â all you want in your rights -- and you may even still ââ¬Åhaveââ¬Â them as the govt hauls you off to their quarantine camps; but ââ¬Åhavingââ¬Â them doesnââ¬â¢t mean you arenââ¬â¢t still going to be hauled off!!
** Of course I didn't read that crap. Anybody who did would wind up being as crazy as you.** How can you possibly give an intelligent commentary on what I wrote or what Sandman wrote if you ââ¬Ådidn't read that crapââ¬Â! On what basis can you POSSIBLY say anything germaine when you donââ¬â¢t even know what youââ¬â¢re commenting ON?!
** Where did you say you came across this "interesting article"? You think its US govt.? Where did you get your info about them taking property for refusing vaccination? First I'd heard of that.** Well, since you DIDN'T bother to "read that crap," you must have MISSED the URLs I gave for where I got my info -- from which I QUOTED -- that they can and will take your property. If you didnââ¬â¢t READ it, then you obviously havenââ¬â¢t heard of it, eh? Guess anything you personally havenââ¬â¢t read about doesnââ¬â¢t really exist?!
** Did you have "some thoughts on vaccination", as the topic blog said? You forgot to say what they might be. ** Geez wombat -- I SAID ââ¬ÅIââ¬â¢ve put MY comments on Sandmanââ¬â¢s guest book and Sandman answered themââ¬Â -- how much more of a set of directions do you NEED to find them?
2003-01-27 20:29 | User Profile
ZIPPER-head is here again, in negative fashion of course, (see: his disparaging post...above)... though I applaud him, since he is the chosen one of NeoNeitzsche... no ZIPPER... (bro, your zipper's open?)... I think cal-mag dissolved into liquid form is Vital, especially to women... you claim to be an M.D.? Dr. Zipper.
Avalanche, he'd rather cut you from scalp to groin... if you're Insured... than tell about some real nutritional values...
If I were so rich why would I be paying a loan shark this week, if I'm lucky $45 dollars, a weekly stipend or fee, on an overdue $300 dollar loan? Zipper wipes his nose, or (whatever) with that sort of ridiculously insignificant amount of money... I don't care about getting 'into' Avalanche, zipper (financially or otherwise, although I wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers?)... monks are rich compared to me... you dopey prick...
I'm too honest... (I already know, I'm too broke...) But then again one can also easily--see--the likes of zipper... However in respect to Neo-N... I guess I'd rather see i.e. a Doctor like Dr. Zippper, as "INSURANCE" ... than a deadbeat, financially... I'm honest...
Although I'll say this, there's a lot to say for poverty...
Avalanche, do you like crackers? I bet you even look cute, going by your picture, munching on them?
See, what ZIPPPER DOES here, he ruduces us to his common denominator...
2003-01-27 21:26 | User Profile
This thread is jumping all over the place, even into personal attacks. Maybe attacks is too strong a term, but geez.
Here's some more food for thought: ** IN 1900, 21,064 smallpox cases were reported. 894 (4%) died. - Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Achievements in Public Health, 1900-1999, April 2, 1999. **
And ... "Case fatality rate in adults (during smallpox outbreaks in Pakistan, India and Africa in the 1970's) was much lower than advertised (some in the media claimed 30% fatality rate). The reason for that is that most [statistics] are heavily loaded with [malnourished, poverty-stricken, third world] children." - Dr. Tom Mack, CDC public forum, June 20 - 22, 2002. (Mack also said that he would expect relatively few cases in the U.S. if smallpox were used as a weapon, because airborne spread is inefficient for smallpox, and conditions in the U.S. are too "clean" in comparison to the third world)
There's info all over. More than enough food for thought. The government wants some hysteria though. They'll probably get it. I understand Wombatnine's reluctance to give blood or anything else to Uncle Sam, but the gov't. is really starting to flex its muscles, taking away more and more, all for the best you see. The constitution is moot these days. It's been moot since lying bastards stated it was a 'living document'.
George, is that really you on late night cable pushing your calcium from Okinawa? As for talking about privates, a woman told me an amusing joke one day. "Why are so many women bad at math?" she asked. "I don't know." She held up her thumb and forefinger about 4" apart. "Because men keep telling women this is six inches."
Calcium is great as a supplement, especially if you drink coffee. The caffeine promotes calcium loss. Go ahead, look it up. Doesn't have much to do with smallpox. But George is right about vitamins. Supplementing is ok, but don't overdo it. Some vitamins do build up (not all), and can cause problems.
Anyhow, do some reading on smallpox. There is deviltry afoot by our pals in D.C.
2003-01-27 22:15 | User Profile
**George: ZIPPER-head is here again, in negative fashion of course, (see: his disparaging post...above)... though I applaud him, since he is the chosen one of NeoNeitzsche... no ZIPPER... (bro, your zipper's open?)... I think cal-mag dissolved into liquid form is Vital, especially to women... you claim to be an M.D.? Dr. Zipper. ** Calcinated George, did you miss it? Pull-up-yer-zipper blew ANY chance of being considered a worthy male to take on control and protection of NeoNeitzsche's chattel -- no full male would need to carelessly throw around accusations of, how did he phrase it, looking for a paramour? No, no, he's not one of the chosen... at least not of NeoNietzsche.
Avalanche, do you like crackers? I bet you even look cute, going by your picture, munching on them? I DO like crackers, but alas, the low-carb dieting precludes them, in or out of bed... (And crumbs... crumbs.... shudder!)
** Roger: Supplementing is ok, but don't overdo it. Some vitamins do build up (not all), and can cause problems. ** Dr, Atkins has a WONDERFUL book called BioNutrients (or something like that, I'm at work and don't have it here). He goes over every vitamin, mineral and supplement and provides suggested uses, amounts, warnings, and MEDICAL JOURNAL references for them! GREAT book, (although it ends up costing a lot, because you start taking a LOT more vities than you did before! :D )
2003-02-01 05:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 27 2003, 22:15 ** > **George:ÃÂ ZIPPER-head is here again, in negative fashion of course, (see: his disparaging post...above)... though I applaud him, since he is the chosen one of NeoNeitzsche... no ZIPPER... (bro, your zipper's open?)... I think cal-mag dissolved into liquid form is Vital, especially to women... you claim to be an M.D.? Dr. Zipper. ** Calcinated George, did you miss it? Pull-up-yer-zipper blew ANY chance of being considered a worthy male to take on control and protection of NeoNeitzsche's chattel -- no full male would need to carelessly throw around accusations of, how did he phrase it, looking for a paramour? No, no, he's not one of the chosen... at least not of NeoNietzsche.
Avalanche, do you like crackers? I bet you even look cute, going by your picture, munching on them? I DO like crackers, but alas, the low-carb dieting precludes them, in or out of bed... (And crumbs... crumbs.... shudder!)
** Roger:ÃÂ Supplementing is ok, but don't overdo it. Some vitamins do build up (not all), and can cause problems. ** Dr, Atkins has a WONDERFUL book called BioNutrients (or something like that, I'm at work and don't have it here). He goes over every vitamin, mineral and supplement and provides suggested uses, amounts, warnings, and MEDICAL JOURNAL references for them! GREAT book, (although it ends up costing a lot, because you start taking a LOT more vities than you did before! :D ) **
I missed something about the insurance-?-along the way... what else is new-?-(i.e. the human factor, I plead guilty)... I thought the grand Dr. Zipper was the chosen to INSURE NeoN's female chattel... one, Ms. Avanalche!?! Just In case, of NeoN's demise for lack or moral or neoMoral sensibility, or of course, any other natural causes, as chance might have it, under G-d. Remember as per George, the minute element of chance within the overwhelming design...allows for the minute (though all important) element of freedom, within the overwhelming design.... Thanks G-d.
So regarding any current insurance, I stand, (saluting Marilyn & the Brigadier General), corrected!
BEAUTIFUL (Avalanchee re: low carbs?)... I care about how human beings FEEL... if you wish to digest food properly, thanks G-d, we now know eat proteins alone or with Simple carbs, i.e. water based vegetables... & if you desire complex carbs, eat them alone... or eat them too with simple carbs, i.e. water based vegetables... NEVER mix proteins, with Complex carbs...
What about Fruit... (like I suspect zipper of being, unbeknowst to himself?) which would be good, if he got comfortable and honest with THAT... although I never recommend it... and perhaps he's not that, also...
Back to food stuffs... fruit is the exception and must ALWAYS be eaten alone... either one hour before eating other kinds of food stuffs... or 3 hours after eating other kinds of food stuffs...
Zipper is a prick (yet) sadly... Roger Bannister is a runner... Roger, strap on a pair... (stick around) insult a little, take some insults... don't make me give you the good slapping... like a George Patton (allegedly) once had to do -for- a soldier... although for it, he got bad press...
No, I hear you Roger... you're in the tradition of wintermute... no, not exactly... wintermute, sticks around... so do you Roger... there's an exception to the rule which proves it... with you, there's, I guess the quick & the dead? And you're the quick?...
Talk to Leveller please... TODAY we've evolved, we have evloved to the point in the west wherein we can have groups, without killing one another necessarily or killing the 'other' groups... This New development is a GOOD thing...