"They`re all dead!"

Now, how can you argue with such brilliance? :lol: :P :( :D

This would come as news to certain people like Chuck Hagel, who is a Bilderberger and very much alive. I wrote the above with a great deal of sarcasm. The only reason I remembered the date and time was that up to that time I have never heard Limbaugh tell such a blatant and demonstrably stupid lie. I hope the caller`s friend showed him the obvious falsehood.

Hmmm, I wonder if Limbaugh is a member of the A.D.L?

Walter Yannis

2003-01-27 09:59 | User Profile

I agree in general with Wintermute's hilarious send up of the entire discussion.

I think that the popular imagination seizes on these wild theories because they get at a much simpler truth that really is never spoken of in our media: that there really is a very small elite that rules the world.

Simple arithmetic proves the point. There are, say, 1,000 or so corporations around the world that control vast amounts of wealth and that in effect dictate public policy. Let's be generous and double that to 2,000, just to make sure that we have all of the big private companies, foundations, etc. Each of those corporations are run by a small handful of people - really 20 or so top managers and board members. But again let's be generous, and make it 100 people, and let's not even count that fact that we're counting many of the board members twice (many sit on multiple boards). That makes 200,000 people (maximum) in the corporate world that actually make the decisions.

Let's very generously double that figure to include key people from unions, political parties, media celebrities, churches, social organizations, and so forth. Again, that's very generous because (1) there's lots of overlap, and (2) there just aren't that many key decision makers, but this is just to illustrate the point. Thus, we have a maximum of 400,000 people in the developed world who are the real decision makers and who really make policy. Hell, just to make sure let's make it an even 500,000.

Let's say that each of them has a spouse and two kids (again, wildly generous assumptions). That makes a total ruling caste of about 2 million.

2 million. Out of a population of 6.2 billion. This is a small enough number that they in a sense know each other. Their lives are like an elite version of a Doonesbury comic strip. They may not have met, but they all know someone who knows someone. They attend the same parties, their kids go to the same elite schools, they share many common interests. And they are very disproportionately - although certainly not majority - Jewish.

They are in fact a sort of genetic caste, a ruling tribe, and they're increasing in awareness of themselves. They are engaging in what Sir Arthur Keith called "race forming behaviour" - seeing in each other a closer cross-border kinship than they do with the lesser classes of their own nationalities.

I've caught a good glimpse of their world from my work. I belong to the class of their house servants - that which Catholic theologian and Harvard Law professor Mary Ann Glendon called "the emerging international class of semi-educated knowledge workers."

Their tribal ambition is world domination. These are the people and the interests that are relentlessly striving to destroy nations. They see themselves as the rulers, and the rest of us as a brown mass to be ruled.

So, it isn't just Jews, although Jews are an essential part of the equation. The ruling Jews are Aryanizing, and the gentile elites are Judaizing. They'll converge at some point in the future. The thing that really scares the snot out of me is the thought that these amoral bastards will use genetic engineering to ensure their perpetual rule, but I digress.

The Bilderbergers, the Masons, Skull and Bones and all of those ideas are largely urban legends that spring from a very real sense that the world is run by a small elite. The reality is simultanously more mundane and more dangerous than the myth.

Walter

Sertorius

2003-01-27 10:20 | User Profile

Walter,

I have to disagree with you on the Bilderburgers. They are influencial and they are very much a reality. Back in `98, I believe, there was a meeting of them not far from where I live.

Other than that, I have to say you have nailed it. In order for us to get others to understand just what a threat these folks are we have to concentrate on the things that are easily provable, like the C.F.R. and the anti-western policies they promote. There is no conspiracy theory here, this is all fact that can be proven with their own materials. The same is true with Neo-cons and their globalist agenda. I don`t totally dismiss the other things, but I do regard them as muddying the waters to the point that I suspect some of the crazier stories have their origin from the globalists themselves as a means of discrediting anyone who is scoring too many points against them.

The rest of what you have written I am in complete agreement with. This alliance between Organized Jewry and the old corrupted class is one made in hell. That is exactly how all of this comes together.

Nor cal.skiN

2003-01-27 20:15 | User Profile

In reply to Faust & sertorius, There is know doubt about it. The Bilderbergs are connected to the CFR (Front for The New World Order). They have played key roles in financing the World wars as we know them, not too mention the "little wars" they start, then profit from.

In fact, The deeper one investigates the sinister activities of this secret society, the more sick to your stomach you become. with Links to such names as Rockefellar, Morgan, and Rothschild, they have had there hand in every International crisis in the last 75yrs, and it goes back further than that.

The Rothschilds, Who's origins are European Jews, are the International Bankers who funded The rise of Adolf Hitler believe it or not. Its true, It was there front men who ordered Hindenburg to name Hitler chancellor of Germany.

Of course after they lost control of Hitler, they turned on him, all because of Banking issues, but still were permitted to leave the Axis occupied cities without a single family casualty. Not one Rothschild was sent to a concentration camp. Some say that this betrayal by the internationalists is what drove Hitler to order the final solution.

As for Rush Limbaugh, He is a puppet for the industrial moderate crowd pleaser Gop. He is so affraid to comment without his advisers sitting right next to him. I think he is a good man, but he's controled by the GOP. Thats why I listen to Mike Savage, who has replaced Rush in the hearts of true conservatives. The funny thing is that Savage is a Jewish christian conservative who has 100 times the courage that Rush the puppet does.

Anyway, A great book I read about the Bilderbergs, CFR, ect., is 'Ruled By Secrecy' by Jim Marrs. I recommend it to anyone concerned about this subject. Its very informative regarding this issue, not too mention the Historical knowledge one can gain from reading this book.

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Roger Bannister

2003-01-27 21:02 | User Profile

Funny Wintermute. You've got me ready to run to the Mountains of Madness, or ask if you're real name is ... Icke. Good post. For all the fun though, the Bilderbergs are a real group with enormous influence. Ask that prick W. F. Buckley, he's a member. Walter is right for the most part. In other threads, some of us have mentioned that the non-jewish elite are a major part of the problem. Their first loyalty is to their class, while the jew's first loyalty is to jews, class is not the first consideration. All of them look at the rest of "us" as cattle to be exploited. Unworthy cattle.

Walter Yannis

2003-01-28 08:27 | User Profile

Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Jan 27 2003, 21:02 ** Funny Wintermute. You've got me ready to run to the Mountains of Madness, or ask if you're real name is ... Icke. Good post. For all the fun though, the Bilderbergs are a real group with enormous influence. Ask that prick W. F. Buckley, he's a member. Walter is right for the most part. In other threads, some of us have mentioned that the non-jewish elite are a major part of the problem. Their first loyalty is to their class, while the jew's first loyalty is to jews, class is not the first consideration. All of them look at the rest of "us" as cattle to be exploited. Unworthy cattle. **

I agree.

I re-read my post and I think that I was too categorical in appearing to imply that the Bilderbergers, the CFR and other groups have no power. They certainly do have great power. However, I disagree with the wilder conspiracy theorists in that I don't think that the great events of the past 100 years can be explained exclusively in terms of their actions.

The Bilderbergers et al. represent a certain class - or perhaps better to say coalition of classes - and it is those broader interests that exert the real force. After all, they'd be nothing if they didn't have the nearly instinctive support of the class I described above. Whatever the Bilderbergers of the CFR do must ultimately garner the support of the key personnel in business and government. As Joseph Stalin put it "the cadres determine everything." And this from a man who had far more control of his cadres than the CFR has over theirs.

This support really is more instinctive than planned. The ruling class is just people who find themselves with great power and wealth and who naturally move to protect that position for themselves and their progeny. Much of that which many take as coordinated, conscious action is in fact just the dynamics of identifiable tribes jockeying for position and control.

But again, that doesn't mean that the Bilderbergers aren't a powerful force. They are. But they're just the teeth of a much larger beast.

Walter

Nor cal.skiN

2003-01-28 18:21 | User Profile

Walter's Quote>

**As Joseph Stalin put it "the cadres determine everything." And this from a man who had far more control of his cadres than the CFR has over theirs. **

Walter, From what I understand, Some believe that Stalin was just a puppet leader for the Bolshevik zionists. In fact, Stalin had so little control, and so weak intelligence sources that he had to kill anyone that was questionable.

All one had to do was accuse someone of being anti-Red, and if they were lucky they get a bullet in the back of the head, if not, they were shipped North to Siberia. Even Lenin came to understand that he was being manipulated by more powerful sources,

He wrote-"The state does not function as we desired, A man is at the wheel and seems to lead it, but the car does not drive in the desired direction".

This other "force" was the members of the secret societies that were behind the birth of communism itself, "monopoly finance capitalists" as Lenin described them.

This sh*t has been going on Internationally for decades. Just like Mr Bush takes his orders from the International Zionist Alan Greenspan. Anyway, just a thought.

Nor cal

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Walter Yannis

2003-01-29 06:36 | User Profile

Originally posted by Nor cal.skiN@Jan 28 2003, 18:21 ** Walter's Quote> **As Joseph Stalin put it "the cadres determine everything." And this from a man who had far more control of his cadres than the CFR has over theirs. **

Walter, From what I understand, Some believe that Stalin was just a puppet leader for the Bolshevik zionists. **

Stalin knew that, which is why he launched a campaign circa 1932 to remove all Jews from the Party and replace them with Russians. The USSR even signed a secret protocol with the fledgling Nazi government for their security services to cooperate on efforts to remove Jews from all positions of influence. This was published recently in Russia.

This lead to the Show Trials of 1937, interrupted by the WWII, and nearly consummated with the Doctor's Plot of 1953 (when all Jews were to be deported to Birobidzhan). While Stalin died just before that was to begin, Jews were kept out of key defense and strategic industries until the collapse of 1989.

No, Stalin knew what he was doing, and his success in out-maneuvering the Jews is the cause of much hope for us. Stalin succeeded in changing Soviet policy from Jewish Internationalism to Russian Chauvanism overnight under his slogan "The Cadres Determine Everything." He understood that if you have a Jewish Party, then the Party will pursue Jewish policies. If you have a Russian Party, then the Party will pursue Russian policies. That's what the Party Purges were all about - replacing Jews with Russians (and others). The CPSU remained the CPSU in name only. By 1939 all of the Jewish Bolsheviks were dead, exiled or in prison, and Russians had taken their place. While WWII slowed the process, it resumed within a few years of WWII.

Note that the liberation of the peasanty under Kryushchev (via issuing internal passports that allowed them to travel) happened nearly simultaneously with the Doctor's Plot. The struggle for Russian freedom from Jewish domination took place within the CPSU, and thus it was obscured from our direct view.

By the way, failure to understand that is a constant among our own hapless State Department. They just can't get why peasants in the so-called Red Belt supported the Communists in the 1990's, after the Communists had done all those terrible things to them in the 1920's. The answer is that they were loyal to a different party that just happened to have the same name.

The same happened with the Democratic Party in our own time. In the 1950's the Party was run by Southern Whites, but they were maneuvered out of power by a coalition of Jews and Blacks. When the Democratic Party was run by the likes of George Wallace, it supported white policies. Under the Jews and Blacks, it supports Jewish and Black policies. There is continuity only in the apparatus of the Democratic Party - the ideological underpinnings could not be more different.

Walter

Nor cal.skiN

2003-01-29 19:41 | User Profile

Walter, Interesting.

-Nor cal

travis

2003-08-25 01:43 | User Profile

I think most of us would agree that there is a common thread among the Bilderbers, the CFR, The Trilateral Commission and the PNAC---Jewish supremacists and their well rewarded collaborators. They are all secret societies of sorts. No they're not think tanks.
It makes sense to me that Jewish leadership, whoever that is, operates as a secret society within these secret societies. This is a clever strategy as they are surrounded by gentiles who absorb the blame and if one of these organizations gets in trouble, the others can discredit it while juggling around official and unofficial members lists.

The purpose of posting in this old thread is to introduce to those who aren't aware of it, the strategic value of using conspiracy theories to enlighten the lemmings. It is not too difficult to enlighten the lefties about all of this as long as the "J" word isn't used. Verifiable phenomena and logical reasoning support these theories and the conspirators can be identified as a bunch of rich families and military industrial establishment for the time being. Tie the war into it when talking to the left, they swallow this. This is an opportunity to plant seeds of thought. No lies need to be told, just give them half the story.

A friend of mine who is left-wing and married to a Jewess has been aware of the Bilderbergers for years. He is not aware of the Jewish role or my knowledge of it. We talk a little about globalization and such every time we meet. Some day I'll drop the bomb on him.

Walter Yannis

2003-09-07 16:13 | User Profile

*Originally posted by travis@Aug 25 2003, 01:43 * ** Some day I'll drop the bomb on him. **

Proceed with caution.

I have a friend in a similar situation. A lapsed Catholic, he married a Jewess (real nice girl, actually) and has four beautiful kids. Nice guy, nice family.

But I pushed the issue a bit too far with him, and he reacted with fear and alarm, to an extent that I realized he could cause me some trouble in my professional life using his family's connections.

The threat is always economic in the first instance. Get used to it.

So I backed off.

I think that he realized that he couldn't be part of something that would endanger his family regardless of whether it was true (and I showed him that it was true).

I concluded that there's no point in trying to hail him back to us, because he's already too invested in it to return. He jumped the fence, so to speak, and there's really no coming back. If it came down to it, how could he stand with our tribe against theirs, now that his kids are part of it by birth?

So it goes.

Anyway, judging from my experience I suggest that you take it easy with this guy.

Walter

All Old Right

2003-09-07 19:41 | User Profile

Some current evidence may be the Israel-US effort to reestablish an oil pipeline from Mosul(Iraq) and Haifa. Hit a search engine on this and you get...Henry Kissinger's name coming up. Just a coincidence? I suppose another is that we just happened to have 9/11 that gave us the "war on terror" that set all of this up. Funny how "it" all comes together with no conspiracy or planning, just the exact disasters and bombing at the right timing for public support, time and time again. Just as public support needs a boost, bam, instant crisis.

** Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil

US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke

Ed Vuillamy in Washington Sunday April 20, 2003 The Observer

Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad. The plan envisages the reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.

Now, its resurrection would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to the new US-dominated Iraq, cutting out Syria and solving Israel's energy crisis at a stroke.

It would also create an end less and easily accessible source of cheap Iraqi oil for the US guaranteed by reliable allies other than Saudi Arabia - a keystone of US foreign policy for decades and especially since 11 September 2001.

Until 1948, the pipeline ran from the Kurdish-controlled city of Mosul to the Israeli port of Haifa, on its northern Mediterranean coast.

The revival of the pipeline was first discussed openly by the Israeli Minister for National Infrastructures, Joseph Paritzky, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz .

The paper quotes Paritzky as saying that the pipeline would cut Israel's energy bill drastically - probably by more than 25 per cent - since the country is currently largely dependent on expensive imports from Russia.

US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States.

'The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project - albeit with a lot of building to do.'

The editor-in-chief of the Middle East Economic Review , Walid Khadduri, says in the current issue of Jane's Foreign Report that 'there's not a metre of it left, at least in Arab territory'.

To resurrect the pipeline would need the backing of whatever government the US is to put in place in Iraq, and has been discussed - according to Western diplomatic sources - with the US-sponsored Iraqi National Congress and its leader Ahmed Chalabi, the former banker favoured by the Pentagon for a powerful role in the war's aftermath.

Sources at the State Department said that concluding a peace treaty with Israel is to be 'top of the agenda' for a new Iraqi government, and Chalabi is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel.

The pipeline would also require permission from Jordan. Paritzky's Ministry is believed to have approached officials in Amman on 9 April this year. Sources told Ha'aretz that the talks left Israel 'optimistic'.

James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists, said: 'There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal.

'After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally.'

Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis.

Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties - when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat.

The plan was promoted by the now Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the reconstruction of Iraq.

The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers.

This bill would be slashed by a new pipeline, which would have the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to Gulf oil other than from Saudi Arabia. **

Faust

2004-06-06 02:23 | User Profile

The Bilderberg Bilderberg Group

The Bilderberg Bilderberg Group meets in Stresa, Italy from June 3 to June 6. Participants include David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Richard Perle, Paavo Lipponen, Mario Monti, Craig Mundie, James Wolfensohn, Frits Bolkestein, and other people of wealth and influence.

[QUOTE]The Bilderberg Group is an informal, secretive and international association of influential people, meeting annually. Its name is that of the hotel in the Netherlands where the group first met in 1954. It has an office in Leiden, in the Netherlands.

The original intention of the Bilderberg group was to further understanding between Western Europe and North America through informal meetings between influential individuals. Each year, a "steering committee" devises a selected invitation list with a maximum of 100 names. The location of their annual meeting is not secret, and the agenda and list of participants are openly available to the public, but the meetings themeselves are shrouded in secrecy. Security is managed by military intelligence . Attendees talk, lobby, and try to magnify their political clout on both sides of the Atlantic but pledge absolute secrecy on what has been discussed. The idea is to enable people to speak freely without need to carefully consider how each word might be interpreted by the mass media. On the other hand, this secrecy has also made conspiracy theorists claim that the meetings have a sinister purpose. This feeling is enhanced by the fact that some say that they are merely a front for the Round table groups, or even a semi-public front for the Illuminati or assorted other secret societies.

Depending on the ideological prism applied, the Bilderberg club may be considered:

* a harmless "discussion group" of politicians, academics and business leaders
* an ultra-exclusive international lobby of the power elite of Europe and North America, capable of influencing international policy
* a capitalist secret society operating entirely through self-interest.

Attendees of Bilderberg include central bankers, defense experts, press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and America. Guests in 2003 included US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, neoconservative Richard Perle, banker David Rockefeller as well as various other members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, and high officials of assorted governments.

In the 2004 meeting from June 3 to June 6, held in Stresa, Italy, reported attendees included many of the people attending in 2003, British Petroleum chief John Browne, US Senator John Edwards, World Bank president James Wolfensohn and Melinda French, wife of Bill Gates. The Bilderberg Group is for Europeans and North Americans ? Asians, Middle Easterners, Latin Americans and Africans are not invited.

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger; so is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss energy company ABB. US Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is also a member.

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Spiderman

2004-07-03 17:00 | User Profile

Sad, but actual... the dollar used to be tied to gold, now in reality it's tied to oil... (You really don't have to say much more than that about what drives recent politics over 100 years... except to add Jews are smart, and it was a chance by being simpatico, with getting back a homeland.) Then, there's more, to wonder about...since that's reality today...what does it also mean in human terms...what's going on...beyond, or "next"... -?- That's the nature of being HUMAN, like it or not, luv it or leave it... We all do, at some point in time... But to soil it with the "religious", in my opinion, does the best spirit of the religious a disservice... I don't know-?-doesn't it? I'm not religious. I just like what I do like, just like anyone else. Which includes my religious preference. And when you look at any religion, preference, or not... you have to separate the wheat from the chaff, and the fly shit from the pepper... No religion is "perfect" or "the" one... at least in my opinion... albeit knock yourself out, if that's your belief or faith. GREAT.