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Avalanche [OP]

2002-12-21 02:39 | User Profile

MadScienceType:

**Anyway, yeah, men overall are protecting women less overall and I find that very sad, but who shoved men away en masse with the old, "I am woman, hear me roar" stuff anyway? Chivalry's dying or dead, but it ain't all men's fault. I know NOW might say feminism and chivalry are not mutually exclusive, but really they're just opposite ways of telling you you're wrong!

Tell women they don't need men for anything, lest they become some kind of domesticated animal, yet when they find out rapists don't respect their newfound liberation, they run to state for protection, not men! The very same state that is "manufacturing" the very rapists they fear!**

Ah, but don’t you see, huge numbers of men, maybe most, DO make of their women a domesticated animal!!! The man is a slave in the work world, and the only thing below him is his woman, so he makes her his servant. Even if she is the SAME ‘slave in the work world’ (working as many hours outside the house), he (consciously or unconsciously) expects that she will fulfill all the work and duties of a house servant. (But the real “master” provides the house and financial wherewithal for the house servant to live in and work with -- what is today’s man providing to his wife? A half share in the financial responsibilities AND the job as house servant? No thanks!!)

My husband does NOT see me, or expect me to see myself, as his (or our) servant. I am his princess (to his king) -- and I am NOT responsible for any housework. Michael sees it as HIS responsibility to either hire it done or do it himself (and since we can’t afford a maid, that means he does it himself)! (He DOES occasionally point out that it was a real... unkindness.... for us d@mnyankees to have run off their slaves -- a southern man, he is!) Anything I do around the house is a help to him, but I am NEVER required to do it! He supports and cares for me, he provides for my safety and security, and he provides my house and home. How could I not then love him enough to feel willing and free to make dinner every night? To “pitch in” in house care and yard care and whatever else is needed to make our lives comfortable?!

(This is SUCH a difference from most men, who (may) grudgingly “help out the little woman” but often only when she INSISTS and NAGS and WHINES! But I do not EVER feel guilty for NOT doing anything -- because it’s NEVER my responsibility!)

Patricia Allen, in her book “Getting to I Do...”, says that a woman should always/only give BACK, and always less than she is given by her man. This is the problem for SO many women, who mistakenly believe that if they only give ENOUGH (time, energy, caring, coddling, cooking, cleaning, listening, and supporting) to a man, he will FINALLY turn around and give back to her... but men don’t DO that! It’s not how they view the world (and women).

Think of it men, do you EVER consider whether or not you’re “giving enough” to your football buddies (time, energy, caring, supporting, or Doritos)? Do you ever concern yourself with a (male) friend feeling slighted because you haven’t seen or called him in a week? Don’t women ALWAYS consider these things with their friends? It’s DIFFERENT for men and women; not one is wrong and one is right; it’s yin and yang and you need both to make a relationship! But when women and men expect the other sex to see and do things the way THEY do, both end up feeling baffled and cheated and annoyed. (Now, mind, Pat Allen is not didactic in her ‘division of sex roles’ -- she lays out the polarized positions, and then discusses how to manage the inevitable preferences for less than 100% compliance. John Gray (“Men are From Mars....”) also says some good things, from a man’s perspective, which differs in some ways from Pat Allen.)

And so, most modern women feel horribly cheated -- because men never ‘balance’ the giving. In our parents’ time, the man was the breadwinner and he provided for the woman, but now the woman has to provide for herself, and then why should she want to give back to a man when she’s not getting from him? (And sorry guys, weekly sex is just NOT enough to balance it all!! Tee hee hee!)

Now, does this sound like it’s a raw deal for the men? They have to support the woman? They have to give more to a woman than they get back? Maybe, if you think of the interaction / relationship between a man and his woman as a “economic” one (and who led you to THAT world view?). When the man is more concerned with “fairness,” with only giving as much to his woman as he gets back, then he is acting more like an adolescent than a grown man. Pat Allen says “A boy’s rite of passage into manhood is when he stops seeing women, children, and animals as sources of personal gratification and instead sees them as recipients of his manful, loving bounty.”

Anyway, I think that the conflict between men and women, and the apparent lack of “womanly” women, is a result of women having to spend their days in the “male sphere,” of women having to provide for themselves, and then refusing (logically I think!) to become house servants for a man who is NOT providing for her well-being and happiness!

Texas Dissident, on another thread, says you need to find you a southern woman. I’m not sure there are many of them left down here either... but the graciousness and gentle caring a southern woman provides to her man is IN RETURN for his chivalrous caring and provision for her health and happiness! I had long since stopped believing there was any such kind of man left (except in romance novels) and, of course, with my jaundiced and hostile attitude toward (all) men, it was unlikely any would bother to show me different. Michael, because he got to know about me from my website and letters without facing my (not generally conscious) hostility, was able to consider me as a person, as a woman, before he began to see if I were ‘tameable.’

(By the way, Mad Scientist? Maybe women run to the state, because the state doesn’t expect the woman to pick up its socks and clean its house!!)

Texas Dissident

2002-12-21 03:52 | User Profile

Greetings Avalanche,

Please be careful with all this man/woman relationship talk or else you might summon our elusive "Brother Love" to come out from whatever dark recess he has withdrawn to.

:P

Seriously, it is a pleasure to read your comments here. I appreciate you participating. From what I can tell, we've got a number of bachelors that could more than likely use your advice.

I know before I said one simply needs to find a Southern woman, but that's really just the first step. You also gotta get 'em young and then keep 'em bare foot and pregnant.

No really, I should stay serious. Finding the right girl and enjoying a successful marriage involves so many intricate factors that it's hard to get into everything outside the scope of a book. I will say that I believe the most important factor of all is a shared faith, belief system and/or moral code. It will make some here cringe, but in my case that would be my wife and I both having a personal faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and believing the Bible to be the word of God. When conflicts arise as they invariably will, there has to be a shared recognition of a final authority or else resolution will never be achieved.

Other than that I would say that if a guy wants to know how a girl will be as a wife, then he should just look at her mother. So much of what a girl is comes from her relationship with her father. Not everything, but generally I find this to be the case. Observe her relationship with her father and what her mother is like. If you like what you see, then woo hard!! Also make sure she believes that divorce is never an option, especially once you have kids. Then if she ever agrees to walk down the aisle with you, put God first, her second and yourself last. If you can do that, then more than likely everything will work out pretty good.

Avalanche

2002-12-21 16:15 | User Profile

Texas Dissident:  you might summon our elusive "Brother Love" to come out He must be before my time? It will make some here cringe, but in my case that would be my wife and I both having a personal faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and believing the Bible to be the word of God. When conflicts arise as they invariably will, there has to be a shared recognition of a final authority or else resolution will never be achieved. No, it doesn't make me cringe (well, not much anyway)-- it seems that religious belief can be a good guarantor of success. Michael and I, however, do not have a religious belief (except maybe mine in the "Force" or the "Great Tao"). We share, rather, a personal 'faith' in a world view, in a harsh view of reality (nature, red in tooth and claw).

Michael and I refer to Pat Allen’s book as the bible of our marriage, because we have ‘assigned’ her method the final referee-ship on disagreements.

**What is Male and What is Female? Western culture has traditionally cast men as the protectors, leaders, and predominant doers. Men have traditionally proposed to women, have conferred status upon women, and have been the security providers.

Women on the other hand, have been the domesticators, the followers, the recipients – they have made themselves available to the life plans of men, responsive to male needs until their own separate needs for status and security began to emerge.

Maleness, in these terms, is the pragmatic, functional way in which we handle work, the initiator of action. It is the verbal, the left lobe of the brain.

Femaleness is the passive, the receptive, the emotional; it can be  represented by nonverbal energy. Its function in traditional terms is to serve as an outlet for emotion and as a moral brake; it can be seen as the stable center that allows a relationship to develop and be maintained.

Although both male and female elements are vital to the makeup of both men and women, I believe that for a relationship to be healthy and successful, these must be reconciled and become complementary to each other.  In other words, there can be only one male and one female in every relationship.

Which would you rather be? **

**...equality tends to be competitive.  Nobody in an “equal” relationship wants to give up his or her rights. But in romance, only opposites attract. People who are similar repel one another. What is “romance”? For women, romance means fantasizing that a man cares so much about her that he feels responsible for her and will protect her, be generous to her, and take care of her feelings. He acts like “her man.”

The other side of the deal is that even though she is as smart as he is, she will listen to his ideas, defer to his thinking, not challenge him, and not make him prove himself or make him feel inadequate.  She becomes “his woman.”  This is the tradeoff, and it works.  It’s “equity” instead of “equality.”

These days, marriage is seen as an “equal” partnership, but romantic relationships are not joint ventures between company presidents. They are a corporate structure including one president, who is in charge of ideas and plans (the male energy), and one vice president, in charge of feelings and veto rights (the female energy).

The male president brings the status and security, and is in charge of the material portion of the relationship: money, property, work; the female vice president brings the sensuousness and sexuality and is in charge of the abstract spiritual level. While the female has ultimate veto power over the material level, she usually does it his way. **

Brother Love

2002-12-21 18:06 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Dec 20 2002, 21:52 **Greetings Avalanche,

Please be careful with all this man/woman relationship talk or else you might summon our elusive "Brother Love" to come out from whatever dark recess he has withdrawn to.

:P

**

Hark! From the distant reaches of the internet I felt the call of the internal spirit of LOVE, furthermore mentioned in my regards. The Brother has not disappeared, albeit he is been occupied searching the internet for his perfect embodiment of LOVE, Miss Bushie. :wub: :wub:. Such a fine species of woman, who I fear left us, because she did not find enough LOVE on this forum.

I truly hope Avalanche you have truly come to bring to this forum a true avalanche of LOVE to this forum. So many have said that this forum lacks LOVE in spite of our adminstrator's noble desire to bring more tolerance and sensitivity to this forum, yeah a veritable "rainbow" of diversity" to this forum.

[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=5021&s=]ODCelebrates Kwanzaa[/url]

He can feel the LOVE, but somehow Christmas just somehow seems empty with out my Miss Bushie. (sob, sob). Somday someone should tell you Avalanche about this perfect embodiment of modern Republican womenhood. I'm just to teary eyed now, having a Blue Christmas, Kwanzaa, Winter Solistice, and Channakuh without her. (sob sob)

Avalanche

2002-12-22 01:51 | User Profile

**Brother Love:  I truly hope Avalanche you have truly come to bring to this forum a true avalanche of LOVE to this forum. So many have said that this forum lacks LOVE in spite of our adminstrator's noble desire to bring more tolerance and sensitivity to this forum, yeah a veritable "rainbow" of diversity" to this forum. ** hhhhhmmmmmm. (There's seemingly no 'emoticon' for bemused but sceptical.)

Welcome... back? I guess?

I don't know if I'm bringing the list love, but I'm sure trying to bring it a clear-eyed woman's view, to a group of mostly men, who find the twisted, damaged, and brainwashed women intolerable, while being found the same by them!

I don't want a rainbow of diversity -- I want strong adult white men to find and partner strong adult white women, and the same for any other 'diversity' -- to find their OWN mates and matches from among their own kind. I do not think the destruction of our society (or more rightly, societies) should be hastened and helped by plans and propaganda manaeged by our foreign overlords!

Avalanche

2002-12-26 03:27 | User Profile

Vox Populi The Voice of the People [url=http://www.freedomsite.org/colum/vox_populi09.html]http://www.freedomsite.org/colum/vox_populi09.html[/url] TAMING OF THE SHREW John of Vancouver March Review 2001

It is only by coincidence that I am writing this article on International Woman’s Day, whatever the hell that happens to be. I didn’t intentionally set out to stir the embittered feminists from their man hating frenzy, but there you have it. In any case it doesn’t really matter since they will hate men (especially handsome ones like myself who objectify women) 365 days of the year, and this day, declared so by the whacked-out U.N., is only so we men can be made aware of how truly horrible we really are. Well, I’ll drink to that. In fact, as it happens, I am drinking right now, but that won’t stop me from writing that I don’t give a damn about the feminazi’s sensibilities, as I wouldn’t have anything to do with those hairy ugly cows any ways. Now, on to the article at hand.

Some years ago when I was a younger man my father gave me this advice: “Son,” he said, “It is just as easy to marry a rich girl as it is a poor one.”

My friend Nick, who is a little longer in the tooth than I, upon hearing this story declared it a strange coincidence since his father too had given him such advice. What can this mean? Well, it is pretty obvious that fathers are fairly mercenary regarding their sons nuptials and don’t mind their gigoloing themselves to some unhealthy specimen if she happens to be well endowed with her daddy’s cash. Now, in the unlikely event that there happens not to be immediately available some rich man’s daughter when you are crazed with thoughts of marriage, the alternative is to marry a Japanese girl. I am convinced of this and if I had to do it all over (marry that is) I would certainly follow my own advice. Allow me to explain.

Two weeks ago I found myself sitting at the Doutoru Café in the center of Tokyo, girl watching. Japan is absolutely bursting with young chicks that are easy on the old eyes. I sat at a table near the corner window to afford myself an unobstructed view out onto one of the busiest and most affluent street corners of any world-class city. Beautiful girls flitted in and out of the crowd, briefly passing by as I watched them over a cup of American coffee. They are nearly to a one - slim, elegant and chic.

They are everywhere, these beauties. Large department stores employ them to run the automatic elevators up and down, just to provide customers with something lovely to look at. On the trains hostesses walk up and down the aisles selling snacks and drinks, including beer. The first person you’ll see in any business office is a twenty-something lovely hired specifically to set you in the right frame of mind. She smiles subtly, then, with an upturned palm, points you in the direction you should go. She always smiles.

Japan, I have come to learn, is a most civilized country. Adults do not presume to impose their will upon others. Rather they live by the universal motto ‘Sho Ga Nai’ or ‘Such Is Life’. One may drink in public without being harangued by a self-righteous busybody hell bent on saving you from the demon rum.

Along any street it is common to find vending machines that sell beer, yet you will not see drunks staggering about, because it is just not done. There are reserved areas and times for this sort of behavior. Not only is drinking allowed in public, but also so is smoking and, evil of evils, looking at girls. The Japanese smoke in restaurants, they smoke on trains, and they do so freely. Those who might object can go to hell or non-smoking restaurants (which do exist, but not many). The Japanese have a higher standard of living than in Canada, make more money, and live longer as well. This must be so because they take normal human vice for granted whereas in Canada (and elsewhere in western countries) the act of being human has become almost a sin in itself. It is much preferable, in Canada, to be a screaming homosexual than to admit to smoking or womanizing. The latter is to be abolished while the former a recommended life choice for prepubescent teenagers.

As I sat, facing the corner of the busiest intersection in Ginza where all the best shops can be found, it occurred to me that there was not one ugly girl in the café, and it was full of them. I am not talking here about a special coincidence either, but rather the common girls, sprinkled like cherry blossoms throughout cities and towns, are elegant, of unquestionable beauty, dignified and carry their youthful looks well into their years. To borrow a phrase from Tom Prideaux (Life Magazine’s entertainment editor back in the 60’s), Japanese girls are a national treasure, demure and chick.

While the average Japanese girl is sexually coy and dresses up to go out, even to do the daily shopping, by contrast North American girls will instead, often, dress down. Take a look at the way young girls dress for a night out in Toronto, New York or Vancouver and, with rare exception, they look like tarts-in-training. Too much makeup badly applied, and their clothes, well, where does one begin? It’s hard to suppress a laugh when they roam the streets dressed in their father’s pants and t-shirts that barely hide a pair of flabby unsupported haggis (or is that hagii?). Is it really too much to expect that girls over twenty, whose breasts can no longer support themselves, bind them in some undergarment rather than kicking them along the sidewalk with their sneakers? I ask you?

Another point of difference is that Japanese girls are approachable. They may well refuse your advances, but they will always smile beautifully nonetheless. Western girls, by comparison, rather than being flattered by a gentleman’s interest, will often give you a well rehearsed scowl which is inculcated into them by ugly feminist teachers who have no chance of procuring a man and are damned if you’re going to either. It’s a wonder that men and women meet in the Canada at all, it being practically illegal to approach the gentler sex. It is no defense that young men are genetically predisposed to leering and howling whenever they spot some tasty young morsel traipsing down the street.

In demeanor there is also much difference. Japanese girls are coy, but never promiscuous. They understand that they are women, and as such, different from men. Western women, on the other hand, are taught that to be equal they must behave like men, which is both unattractive and unnatural.

Japanese girls are compliant, they know their place as women, and generally acquiesce to the wishes of their man, but not indiscriminately so. Canadian women will bring their marriage to ruin to prove some insignificant point, or just because they are bored. It’s enough to put any marriage in distress and is proven by our national divorce rate.

Thankfully I’m not in the game anymore. However, whenever I do spy an opportunity to put the moves on another man’s wife, inevitably from out of nowhere my wife appears and cuts me off at the knees. How does she do know?

It must be one of those woman things. A wife can sense her husband’s indiscretions like a shark smells blood - only sharks are more merciful. They may only take a leg whereas a woman will take your house, your motorcycle, the children and loot the bank account.

My advice to young girls who seek to improve themselves is this. One, beautify yourself in the classic sense. Do not follow the example of sluttish Hollywood starlets who can’t differentiate between foie gras and pork pate.

Second, keep a still tongue. We don’t care what Oprah has to say and we most certainly don’t want to know about your girlfriend’s latest bout with weight loss. The old adage of ‘speak when spoken to’ will serve you well.

Third, pretend an interest in your man’s hobbies, even if you don’t know the difference between a number four Doc Spratley and a Tom Thumb. We don’t expect you to know these things. These are complex and difficult matters, which is why men do them and women don’t.

And here endeth Dr. John’s marriage counseling session.

George

2002-12-26 16:13 | User Profile

T.D.

hark...your very own self, as above, summoned "Brother L." paradoxically, no? Opposites attract?... after my very own (mysteriously) more balanced self, had dispensed with B.L., and gained the compliment, as I recall of Sertorius.

You're too far one way T.D. (no?), while B.S., err I mean B.L. too far the other... I could throw you in Cage with one another... however I think it would be more fun for us viewers, as well as more clarifying-?-if I simply threw ya's in a Cage with the BEAR... and give you each some bottles of Beer for the Bear... and see how ya'fared...

I think on each side of it, perhaps you'd be more balanced, if ya's survived... and that's better'n meeting, me, I'm pretty sure...

However thanks but no thanks, don't put me on a pedestal... too confining for us mortals-?-Pedestals is reserved for busts, regardless of size... long as they're REAL...

...Like Miss Lily Langtree's... and like her's, if comes also with a heart, an alleged mind, and a Soul... "Ohhhhh, Miss Lily!!!!!!"

Texas Dissident

2002-12-26 19:04 | User Profile

Jorge,

The Bear?? Bear Bryant? In a Texas Cage Match? Would it be the Texas A&M Bear or the Crimson Tide Bear?

I could probably lick the Crimson Tide Bear, but certainly not the A&M Bear. He was still young then and most definitely a man's man.

Interestingly enough, ESPN's showing their movie "The Junction Boys." Have you seen it? They filmed in Australia and have young Australian men playing Texas farm boys. The accents are interesting and I like Tom Berenger, who plays the role of the Bear. Overall it's a pretty good glimpse back into a time when life was much more honest and pure. I recommend it.

George

2002-12-26 20:04 | User Profile

Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Dec 26 2002, 19:04 ** Jorge,

The Bear?? Bear Bryant? In a Texas Cage Match? Would it be the Texas A&M Bear or the Crimson Tide Bear?

I could probably lick the Crimson Tide Bear, but certainly not the A&M Bear. He was still young then and most definitely a man's man.

Interestingly enough, ESPN's showing their movie "The Junction Boys." Have you seen it? They filmed in Australia and have young Australian men playing Texas farm boys. The accents are interesting and I like Tom Berenger, who plays the role of the Bear. Overall it's a pretty good glimpse back into a time when life was much more honest and pure. I recommend it. **

I always agree with you T.D. wherever you Is or wherever I is...since it's not even a stret-th-ch... ("Jesusth-christ")...C'ept... you know the Problem-o...

So few T.D.'s...... Life.....

...so few Ed G.'s or Ed T.'s... LIFE...

...choose Life is my motto... always if necessary DIE for it too... I'm 'bad' apparently... pussthies... say that's a "bad" motto???

Maybe... maybe from their point of view?... equally important...apparently, no doubt...

I wisth I had a pussthie... too???

Poor'ol me today, I don't mean 'dick'... ???

George

2003-01-03 02:10 | User Profile

I'm disappointed. Only refined people or sensitive, I suppose, or creative people. or sometimes intelligent people, well, I guess what I'm trying to say is, all people can be disappointed... on the level, I guess, upon which they occupy in the world?

AVALANCHE... OR Flood... where art'thou... I'm enamoured of the picture itself, isn't anyone else, any other red-blooded MALE enamoured?... you there, avalanche? better things to do... planning our dimise, or not?, if you're mad or angry... aren't we ok, at least, sort of... [not me I admit it... don't allow thaT feeling to reflect upon any other]... you there? "hello, hello?" SHOPPING? GOOD!!!!!!! Good for the economy, when you get home, will you-?-answer this? Just say, hello. I know, I'm an idiot... it's ok to tell me... slow track, don't vorry!!! Y'HELLO?! Put me down---avalanche...strap on a pair like the sisters, & nail me... oh, my god... it just dawned on me, like others posing as broads on this site... you could be a guy????? Avalanche... darlin... is that so? IF NOT BURRY ME..........she will burry me... thank G-d... I can only hope now on my TombStone: Here lies a guy...Fortunately, burried.

Avalanche

2003-01-03 03:57 | User Profile

**George:    AVALANCHE... OR Flood... where art'thou... I'm enamoured of the picture itself, isn't anyone else, any other red-blooded MALE enamoured?... you there, avalanche? better things to do... planning our dimise, or not?,

if you're mad or angry... aren't we ok, at least, sort of... [not me I admit it... don't allow thaT feeling to reflect upon any other]... you there? "hello, hello?" ** :huh: Well, Mad George, I WILL admit to being... mystified! I intended this thread to be a discussion between men and women, about how women are twisted and distorted by the jews destroying american society, and how men contribute to or modify that distortion. I had hoped there would be interest... instead I've got you MEN talking about Bear Bryant?!

I'm pleased you're enamoured of my picture... would that I were still so young!

But tell me, Mad George, have YOU a woman and do YOU treat her like a house servant or a princess?

**SHOPPING? GOOD!!!!!!! Good for the economy, when you get home, will you-?-answer this? Just say, hello. I know, I'm an idiot... it's ok to tell me... slow track, don't vorry!!! Y'HELLO?! Put me down---avalanche...strap on a pair like the sisters, & nail me... ** Hello.

oh, my god... it just dawned on me, like others posing as broads on this site...  you could be a guy????? Avalanche... darlin... is that so?

My husband would be even more surprised than you, if this were the case... No fears, Mad George, I am a enlightened but totally female property of my man!

George

2003-01-03 17:39 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 3 2003, 03:57 ** > **George:    AVALANCHE... OR Flood... where art'thou... I'm enamoured of the picture itself, isn't anyone else, any other red-blooded MALE enamoured?... you there, avalanche? better things to do... planning our dimise, or not?,

if you're mad or angry... aren't we ok, at least, sort of... [not me I admit it... don't allow thaT feeling to reflect upon any other]... you there? "hello, hello?" ** :huh: Well, Mad George, I WILL admit to being... mystified! I intended this thread to be a discussion between men and women, about how women are twisted and distorted by the jews destroying american society, and how men contribute to or modify that distortion. I had hoped there would be interest... instead I've got you MEN talking about Bear Bryant?!

I'm pleased you're enamoured of my picture... would that I were still so young!

But tell me, Mad George, have YOU a woman and do YOU treat her like a house servant or a princess?

**SHOPPING? GOOD!!!!!!! Good for the economy, when you get home, will you-?-answer this? Just say, hello. I know, I'm an idiot... it's ok to tell me... slow track, don't vorry!!! Y'HELLO?! Put me down---avalanche...strap on a pair like the sisters, & nail me... ** Hello.

oh, my god... it just dawned on me, like others posing as broads on this site...  you could be a guy????? Avalanche... darlin... is that so?

My husband would be even more surprised than you, if this were the case... No fears, Mad George, I am a enlightened but totally female property of my man! **

I think your Motive is ADMIRABLE... and probably your hubby Lucky... you sound Great, & at least good? Good, in my opinion is better than great...we live and die in Good. "Great" on the other hand is like this... it doesn't matter, how much--(as a mad man, you say I am?)--I Loved...rather How much I AM loved... That, just for example is about Great... PERSONALLY the great CAN love very much... it's just not really a consideration... I prefer 'Good'... I don't KNOW if that exempts me from being "really" Mad or not... I'm a method Actor... so I LIKE venting my spleen, in some at least quasi-controlled fashion... so as to get it into 'almost' coherent sentences... I think you're great Avalanche & good... I have a question are "jews" really all that bad to you? Seriously... Let's get to what you WANT to discuss... I love women, I don't even care what they want to discuss... what does that mean? I take what occurs to them to discuss... necessarily MORE seriously than anything else in the world... that is, personally speaking... I'm not G-d, so I don't "know" what's the most important... but I can Guess... and I THINK that's it...

eric von zipper

2003-01-03 18:08 | User Profile

I hate to burst your bubble, George, but before you dehydrate yourself by drooling over Avalanche's photo let me inform you that it is really a cropped still of Romy Schneider from the movie What's New, Pussycat or possibly Good Neighbor Sam, a real clunker BTW.

My staff of experts will nail it down shortly. The Cardinal, another possibility, has been eliminated already.

Avalanche is probably a junior high school student who figured she could slip the picture of a 3rd tier Elke Somer wannabee who has been dead since 82 past our noses undetected.

I have very low standards regarding women and they are sinking lower as I age, but I will never compromise on one thing damnit: they must be living.

eric von zipper

2003-01-03 18:20 | User Profile

**But tell me, Mad George, have YOU a woman and do YOU treat her like a house servant or a princess? **

Neither.

More like a bar maid would be my educated guess.

"Hiccup - another Gin and tonic - and make it fast bith-ch -burp"

eric von zipper

2003-01-03 18:28 | User Profile

I love women, I don't even care what they want to discuss.

As long as it's Neitshke or Primal Scream Therapy.

Pardon my spelling. Christ it isn't even close is it?

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-03 19:31 | User Profile

I don't care how you spell Nietzsche as long as you don't pronounce it Knee-chee.

mwdallas

2003-01-03 22:02 | User Profile

**Pardon my spelling. Christ it isn't even close is it? **

I think I understand.

Ray Nitschke.

Friedrich Nietzsche.

George

2003-01-04 02:11 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 3 2003, 18:20 ** > **But tell me, Mad George, have YOU a woman and do YOU treat her like a house servant or a princess? **

Neither.

More like a bar maid would be my educated guess.

"Hiccup - another Gin and tonic - and make it fast bith-ch -burp" **

BASTARDS... DO I have to say it... spell it Out... you guys are GREAT... only us dumb bastards can, (and probably should...why not-?-you Want yet More suffering?) save each other...

Only bith-ches... can save each other... THEY know that... dopey bastards... NEWS FLASH... only us dopey bastards know each other, and can save each Other... guys save guys... no choice... broads, save broads... no choice... WAY IT IS...

Other than that... I LIKE broads... I like what it occurs to them to say...

What are you crazy... you "think" without them, you know anything...

that would be like the dopey broads thinking without you, they knew something...

preposterous... THE oL'Man G-d knew better... that's why guys, got blue booties... little blue shoes... and broads got pink ones...

QUESTIONS-?- :)

Avalanche

2003-01-04 04:36 | User Profile

Eric Von Zipper:   I hate to burst your bubble, George, but before you dehydrate yourself by drooling over Avalanche's photo let me inform you that it is really a cropped still of Romy Schneider from the movie What's New, Pussycat or possibly Good Neighbor Sam, a real clunker BTW. My staff of experts will nail it down shortly. The Cardinal, another possibility, has been eliminated already. Avalanche is probably a junior high school student who figured she could slip the picture of a 3rd tier Elke Somer wannabee who has been dead since 82 past our noses undetected. Well, I AM flattered!! :D That picture is ME at age 15! I can even provide the complete picture, with the sailor's hat perched on my head, and the braided POW bracelet on my arm!! (And I've never seen any of those movies, am I missing anything?) And junior high school was so long ago... well, let's just say I am approaching (in June 2003) TWENTY YEARS out of the Navy!!

**I have very low standards regarding women and they are sinking lower as I age, but I will never compromise on one thing damnit: they must be living. ** I'm not just living, I'm lively!! Tee hee hee!

Avalanche

2003-01-04 05:11 | User Profile

George:  only us dumb bastards can, (and probably should...why not-?-you Want yet More suffering?) save each other... Only bith-ches... can save each other... THEY know that... dopey bastards... NEWS FLASH... only us dopey bastards know each other, and can save each Other... guys save guys... no choice... broads, save broads... no choice... WAY IT IS... Mad George, that's where YOU'RE WRONG!!! Only we can save you men, and only you can save us women! When yang becomes too strong, only a infusion of yin can moderate it, balance it, and make it healthy. And when yin goes too far (in either direction), only yang can pull it back!

When women go too far into masculinity (as demanded by the work-a-day world and taking care of ourselves), only a man being balanced and receptive and gently inviting us back into our yin/feminine/yielding selves can return us to our balance. (And when women go to far into yin – all emotion and hurt and defensiveness – only a man can bring her back, by taking over her protection and the care of her emotional, feeling self.)

And when men are too far into either macho/masculinity (yang) OR hurt-feelings-and-stress (yin), a woman (if she's balanced and healthy) can invite him to either moderate his aggressive self into protection and leading her, or remind him of his (innate) desire and need to focus on her feelings and on protecting her.

Does this put too much stress on you men? ONE or the other of the sexes has to put a stop to the unbalancing. This tilted society too completely rewards (and punishes), drives, and shapes women to become all-yang/all-the-time and to work and act as economic cogs; and moves us away from our naturally emotional, nurturing and sensual selves. Men, at least, have a better chance of finding their balance, because society expects them to be at least PARTLY men, and thus to maintain SOME of the protective, leading, caring, managing qualities that a full man has. They are not fighting all the forces arrayed against them to be able to at least slow the distortion they are being molded to, and find their own centers. Men are more likely to be able to grow out of the little-boy-hood that the society is forcing them into, and decide on their own that they WILL become adult males who care for and provide for and protect and cherish their women.

Pat Allen says a person must decide whether s/he prefers to have his or her feelings cherished, or to be respected. Only a narcissist or a child insists on both (or tries to)! Most women want their feelings cherished, and a good, solid, adult male will cherish her feelings above his, which will make the woman feel loved (and also respected). Most men want their leadership and intellect respected, and will FEEL loved and cherished when their woman does so. For there to be a successful marriage or pairing, there must one of each in the relationship.

It’s unusual, but not unheard of, for the woman to want to lead, to be respected and to direct the relationship – and unless she finds a female-energy male (an artist or other such feeling-centered man), she will not have a happy relationship – because in any ‘company’ there can only be one ‘president!’ Usually, it is going to be the man, which means the woman must be reminded (and willing) to give up running things – to subordinate her “need” to be in charge and respected for her intellectual and managerial self to being cherished for her feeling self. And the man must give up his desire to have his feelings coddled and central, in order to lead and cherish her feelings. The “pay-off” is, if the woman DOES subordinate herself, and the man DOES cherish her feelings, then she feels respected too! And if the man DOES subordinate his feelings in preference to hers, and the woman DOES respect his leadership and choices, then he feels cherished too!

George

2003-01-04 19:35 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 4 2003, 05:11 ** > George:  only us dumb bastards can, (and probably should...why not-?-you Want yet More suffering?) save each other... Only bith-ches... can save each other... THEY know that... dopey bastards... NEWS FLASH... only us dopey bastards know each other, and can save each Other... guys save guys... no choice... broads, save broads... no choice... WAY IT IS... Mad George, that's where YOU'RE WRONG!!! Only we can save you men, and only you can save us women! When yang becomes too strong, only a infusion of yin can moderate it, balance it, and make it healthy. And when yin goes too far (in either direction), only yang can pull it back!

When women go too far into masculinity (as demanded by the work-a-day world and taking care of ourselves), only a man being balanced and receptive and gently inviting us back into our yin/feminine/yielding selves can return us to our balance. (And when women go to far into yin – all emotion and hurt and defensiveness – only a man can bring her back, by taking over her protection and the care of her emotional, feeling self.)

And when men are too far into either macho/masculinity (yang) OR hurt-feelings-and-stress (yin), a woman (if she's balanced and healthy) can invite him to either moderate his aggressive self into protection and leading her, or remind him of his (innate) desire and need to focus on her feelings and on protecting her.

Does this put too much stress on you men? ONE or the other of the sexes has to put a stop to the unbalancing. This tilted society too completely rewards (and punishes), drives, and shapes women to become all-yang/all-the-time and to work and act as economic cogs; and moves us away from our naturally emotional, nurturing and sensual selves. Men, at least, have a better chance of finding their balance, because society expects them to be at least PARTLY men, and thus to maintain SOME of the protective, leading, caring, managing qualities that a full man has. They are not fighting all the forces arrayed against them to be able to at least slow the distortion they are being molded to, and find their own centers. Men are more likely to be able to grow out of the little-boy-hood that the society is forcing them into, and decide on their own that they WILL become adult males who care for and provide for and protect and cherish their women.

Pat Allen says a person must decide whether s/he prefers to have his or her feelings cherished, or to be respected. Only a narcissist or a child insists on both (or tries to)! Most women want their feelings cherished, and a good, solid, adult male will cherish her feelings above his, which will make the woman feel loved (and also respected). Most men want their leadership and intellect respected, and will FEEL loved and cherished when their woman does so. For there to be a successful marriage or pairing, there must one of each in the relationship.

It’s unusual, but not unheard of, for the woman to want to lead, to be respected and to direct the relationship – and unless she finds a female-energy male (an artist or other such feeling-centered man), she will not have a happy relationship – because in any ‘company’ there can only be one ‘president!’ Usually, it is going to be the man, which means the woman must be reminded (and willing) to give up running things – to subordinate her “need” to be in charge and respected for her intellectual and managerial self to being cherished for her feeling self. And the man must give up his desire to have his feelings coddled and central, in order to lead and cherish her feelings. The “pay-off” is, if the woman DOES subordinate herself, and the man DOES cherish her feelings, then she feels respected too! And if the man DOES subordinate his feelings in preference to hers, and the woman DOES respect his leadership and choices, then he feels cherished too! **

Yeah, I pretty much agree with Avalanche... but wherein she goes slightly 'off' and may not realize it... is in assuming everyone pairs off... that all heterosexual males & heterosexual females (presumably who aren't 'mad' like me, the method actor) after swinging around a little bit, like at a square dance, by the end of it have paired...and dohceedoh off together into the sunset & connubial bliss, meaning at least a sustainable relationship...

Rather Most at any given momentO... find themselves alone (even if only temporarily)...in the kaleidoscope of life, and that's when guys tend to save themselves & one another...and gals doing the same for themselves...

No man unless it was his job as a therapist or rabbi or priest, ever burst in and saved a woman from herself, if he wasn't at all interested in her himself... and the Exact same thing in the reverse is factual about women...

Personally I'm not 'desperate' (if indeed 'mad'-?-I'll leave that up to Avalanche's discretion...or perhaps just a good actor feigning it, when he feels like it)... but if I were desperate &/or 'mad'... guys (& dolls) can you envision Avalanche or any woman...bursting into George's place to 'save' him... Conversely, guys (& dolls) if the shoe is on the other foot, and Avalanche is desperate &/or 'mad', unless I'm interested in her, or another fellow is instead or as well, I can't otherwise see us, bursting in to Avalanche's place to 'save' her... can you?

No of course not, in such situations, guys (friendships) themselves tend to save guys... just like the same is factual about the 'girls', their own friendships as well tend to save one another...

Otherwise I can't find any fault with Avalanche... (except of course I'm not skiing, down there...below...) kidding..."you hear that RUMBLING? ... Oh NOOOOO... AVALANCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Avalanche

2003-01-05 01:22 | User Profile

** Yeah, I pretty much agree with Avalanche... but wherein she goes slightly 'off' and may not realize it... is in assuming everyone pairs off... that all heterosexual males & heterosexual females (presumably who aren't 'mad' like me, the method actor) after swinging around a little bit, like at a square dance, by the end of it have paired...and dohceedoh off together into the sunset & connubial bliss, meaning at least a sustainable  relationship...** The assumption I make is that most people WANT to pair off – and it seems as if too many men, when they are “saving” each other (as I think you are suggesting) are instead egging each other on to further disdain for women and supporting y’all’s hurt and angry feelings. Instead of supporting each other in “manly” strength, you’re undermining each other’s commitment to mature love, protection and care for a woman. (And I’m not against playing, but it doesn’t lead to connubial bliss – it leads to hurt women and angry men!)

No man unless it was his job as a therapist or rabbi or priest, ever burst in and saved a woman from herself, if he wasn't at all interested in her himself... and the Exact same thing in the reverse is factual about women... I’m not suggesting ‘bursting in’ – I’m suggesting that if you are (if a man is) looking for ‘the right woman’ (or connubial bliss...), then playing, instead of seriously looking, is not going to lead to success.

** Personally I'm not 'desperate' (if indeed 'mad'-?-I'll leave that up to Avalanche's discretion...or perhaps just a good actor feigning it, when he feels like it)... but if I were desperate &/or 'mad'... guys (& dolls) can you envision Avalanche or any woman...bursting into George's place to 'save'  him... ** I’m not bursting in to save you; I’m trying to suggest methods and concepts for consideration that may lead you, Mad George, or any other man, to find a woman who is recoverable, who CAN be pulled back from feminazihood and distortion. I do not think that “hangin’ with the guys” will strengthen your ability, intent, or skill in controlling, protecting, managing, and cherishing a woman. It WILL strengthen your anger, annoyance, sarcasm, and self-centered boyishness – none of which qualities strengthen your adult masculine self.

** Conversely, guys (& dolls) if the shoe is on the other foot, and Avalanche is desperate &/or 'mad', unless I'm interested in her, or another fellow is instead or as well, I can't otherwise see us, bursting in to Avalanche's place to 'save' her... can you?** My amazing man didn’t exactly burst into save me, but he recognized from my writings that, although I was your typical angry hostile feminist who didn’t believe there was such a thing as a mature/loving man, I was recoverable. He took the time to lead me out of my anger and hate for men; he let me return to being a (positive/loving)- feelings-centered, protected, cared for, cherished woman. Had HE not been strong and centered in his masculinity, able to subordinate his feelings (and you can just bet, as an aggrieved feminist, I fer shure pissed him off any number of times!) to caring for (and thus ameliorating) my feelings, I could never have been led OUT of feminist idiocy!

How will you recognize a recoverable woman, who may be worth the time and energy to lead back to normalcy, if, instead, you’re busy ‘saving’ other guys? Can you use your playtime with your guy-friends to support, instead of their boy-selves, their adult male selves? (Or does it always have to devolve to sports-talk and little-boy games -- which, sadly, includes bashing woman and sharing your hurt feelings that you’re surrounded by women who won’t become your house servants?)

** Otherwise I can't find any fault with Avalanche...** Yer jes’ not lookin; hard enough! :D

skemper

2003-01-05 02:51 | User Profile

Great Post, Avalanche. You hit the nail on the head.

Men, while many of you are great talking about politics and other intellectual issues, when it comes to women some of you sound like teenage boys who blame women, particularly American women, for all the problems they have in relationships. I think this has come about from the lack of mature male role models in their lives. Immature people hang together and feed eacgh other's anxieties and fears, mature people seek wisdom and build each other up. And yes, men, I would say that feminists are very immature women.

George

2003-01-05 15:07 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 5 2003, 01:22 ** > ** Yeah, I pretty much agree with Avalanche... but wherein she goes slightly 'off' and may not realize it... is in assuming everyone pairs off... that all heterosexual males & heterosexual females (presumably who aren't 'mad' like me, the method actor) after swinging around a little bit, like at a square dance, by the end of it have paired...and dohceedoh off together into the sunset & connubial bliss, meaning at least a sustainable  relationship...** The assumption I make is that most people WANT to pair off – and it seems as if too many men, when they are “saving” each other (as I think you are suggesting) are instead egging each other on to further disdain for women and supporting y’all’s hurt and angry feelings. Instead of supporting each other in “manly” strength, you’re undermining each other’s commitment to mature love, protection and care for a woman. (And I’m not against playing, but it doesn’t lead to connubial bliss – it leads to hurt women and angry men!)

No man unless it was his job as a therapist or rabbi or priest, ever burst in and saved a woman from herself, if he wasn't at all interested in her himself... and the Exact same thing in the reverse is factual about women... I’m not suggesting ‘bursting in’ – I’m suggesting that if you are (if a man is) looking for ‘the right woman’ (or connubial bliss...), then playing, instead of seriously looking, is not going to lead to success.

** Personally I'm not 'desperate' (if indeed 'mad'-?-I'll leave that up to Avalanche's discretion...or perhaps just a good actor feigning it, when he feels like it)... but if I were desperate &/or 'mad'... guys (& dolls) can you envision Avalanche or any woman...bursting into George's place to 'save'  him... ** I’m not bursting in to save you; I’m trying to suggest methods and concepts for consideration that may lead you, Mad George, or any other man, to find a woman who is recoverable, who CAN be pulled back from feminazihood and distortion. I do not think that “hangin’ with the guys” will strengthen your ability, intent, or skill in controlling, protecting, managing, and cherishing a woman. It WILL strengthen your anger, annoyance, sarcasm, and self-centered boyishness – none of which qualities strengthen your adult masculine self.

** Conversely, guys (& dolls) if the shoe is on the other foot, and Avalanche is desperate &/or 'mad', unless I'm interested in her, or another fellow is instead or as well, I can't otherwise see us, bursting in to Avalanche's place to 'save' her... can you?** My amazing man didn’t exactly burst into save me, but he recognized from my writings that, although I was your typical angry hostile feminist who didn’t believe there was such a thing as a mature/loving man, I was recoverable. He took the time to lead me out of my anger and hate for men; he let me return to being a (positive/loving)- feelings-centered, protected, cared for, cherished woman. Had HE not been strong and centered in his masculinity, able to subordinate his feelings (and you can just bet, as an aggrieved feminist, I fer shure pissed him off any number of times!) to caring for (and thus ameliorating) my feelings, I could never have been led OUT of feminist idiocy!

How will you recognize a recoverable woman, who may be worth the time and energy to lead back to normalcy, if, instead, you’re busy ‘saving’ other guys? Can you use your playtime with your guy-friends to support, instead of their boy-selves, their adult male selves? (Or does it always have to devolve to sports-talk and little-boy games -- which, sadly, includes bashing woman and sharing your hurt feelings that you’re surrounded by women who won’t become your house servants?)

** Otherwise I can't find any fault with Avalanche...** Yer jes’ not lookin; hard enough! :D **

Good post.

I ain't lookin'Hard enough-?-you say. Wait, let mad George, pop a Viagra! I kid, I kid. You're correct, I've seen this in my own life. When I'm sober and serious I've met women (one at a time) I've had longstanding relationships with, mad-George disease, not withstanding, until we were mutally bored, and I dumped them, or Once She dumped me..(..That was the year I separated from mommy-Emotionally. Perhaps I was born again, unfortunately.) I was in bed after being dumped for about 3 weeks, I couldn't move, I could just inch my head up a little bit and curse the Statue of Liberty staring me in the face outside my penthouse window, whom I renamed Ms. Liberty....Until it finally passed, 'this too shall pass...' and I could live again, and move, and have some beingNess-ess-es.
-Mad George

P.S. seriously I feel a Wave of seriousness, and stability coming over me again... perhaps I CAN shirk somehow, Mad George disease? ... -?- Too bad there's not a pill for that, like Viagra, is there? B) I can see, I'll also have to change my look...I don't think I can beat this, if I'm recognized as one who had mad-George disease....

Avalanche

2003-01-05 17:41 | User Profile

**I ain't lookin'Hard enough-?-you say. Wait, let mad George, pop a Viagra! I kid, I kid. ** Good one! (But how-ever were you able to discern just WHERE I was looking?!)

**You're correct, I've seen this in my own life. When I'm sober and serious I've met women (one at a time) I've had longstanding relationships with, mad-George disease, not withstanding, until we were mutally bored, and I dumped them, or Once She dumped me..(..That was the year I separated from mommy-Emotionally. Perhaps I was born again, unfortunately.) I was in bed after being dumped for about 3 weeks, I couldn't move, I could just inch my head up a little bit and curse the Statue of Liberty staring me in the face outside my penthouse window, whom I renamed Ms. Liberty....Until it finally passed, 'this too shall pass...' and I could live again, and move, and have some beingNess-ess-es. -Mad George ** I'm sorry you found mutual boredom with some serious women -- still it bodes well for your eventual eternal pairing that you are able to maintain longterm relationships. I recommend, again, Pat Allen's book "getting to I Do..." (but not her second book ,which is in a large part merely the same stuff re-typeset (!) with nothing of substance added). Her 'way of looking' at this stuff is eye opening -- even if it's too polarized for 'normal' life. My 'lord and master' (tee hee hee!) and I don't adhere strictly to her program(s), but we do follow her pattern generally, and use her as the 'final referee' (since, unlike Texas Dissident, we don't profess Christianity or other religion as the master plan). And, on behalf of feminist women everywhere, let me apologize to, at least, the men on this list, for the 'modern' woman's distortion, anger, and hostility -- which makes us so hard to approach or consider for pairing!

P.S. seriously I feel a Wave of seriousness, and stability coming over me again... perhaps I CAN shirk somehow, Mad George disease? ... -?- Too bad there's not a pill for that, like Viagra, is there?  I can see, I'll also have to change my look...I don't think I can beat this, if I'm recognized as one who had mad-George disease.... Well, I'd say this therapy is working quite well already -- your messages on this thread are mostly readable, coherent and relate to the thread! (Well, once we got done with Bear Bryant ;) ) This is quite an acceptable remission of your madness! And a positive sign for your continued sanity!

George

2003-01-06 00:11 | User Profile

"Well, I'd say this therapy is working quite well already -- your messages on this thread are mostly readable, coherent and relate to the thread! (Well, once we got done with Bear Bryant ) This is quite an acceptable remission of your madness! And a positive sign for your continued sanity!" -Avalanche

I'm sane as an angel... I'm in the wrong world, still wondering how I got here... No, it's an experiential School type of deal, and G-d (i.e. that which passes understanding) works in mysterious ways... I agree Avalanche, I'm improving... notice I didn't say "mythsterious" ways, just to bust chops...

GOOD WORK! ... seriously... I could see myself, releasing me, to your care... (how big's your husband?) I kid, I kid...

Also, in candor, although I don't particularly care for alcohol, much preferring the natural high of male / female companionship... in her abscence I do tend to tipple a bit (out of boredom)... and sometimes under it... post... SO I apologize to you for that... and to one and all... today I'm the relatively new George, striving for coherence, at least in Public... :)

Avalanche

2003-01-06 01:12 | User Profile

George: I could see myself, releasing me, to your care... (how big's your husband?) I kid, I kid... I appreciate your offer, new George, and while my husband is average height (6' 1"), he DOES wear a .45 on his hip, all the time! (Did I mention he PROTECTS me?!)

I intuit from your message that you do currently have a female companion? Is she an awakened, non-feminist woman, who is relying on you for care and protection?

Frederick William I

2003-01-06 02:36 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 3 2003, 03:57 **:huh: Well, Mad George, I WILL admit to being... mystified!  I intended this thread to be a discussion between men and women, about how women are twisted and distorted by the jews destroying american society, and how men contribute to or modify that distortion.  I had hoped there would be interest...  instead I've got you MEN talking about Bear Bryant?!

I'm pleased you're enamoured of my picture... would that I were still so young!

But tell me, Mad George, have YOU a woman and do YOU treat her like a house servant or a princess?  

**

AV, I can see this discussion strayed rather far from your original premise. Rather than talk about Bear Bryant or the size of your husbands 45, I wonder what you might think of some of Kevin MacDonald's insights from evolutionary psychology into the dysfunction of modern feminism in western societies, which it tok me a couple of days to get ahold of.

Originally posted by Kevin MacDonald@ Culture of Critique ** Given that a great many human cultures bear a strong resemblance to the collectivist, anti-assimilatory tendencies in Jewish culture, it is highly likely that many of our present immigrants are similarly unable or unwilling to accept the fundamental premises of a universally, culturally homogeneous, individualistic society. Indeed there is considerable reason to suppose that Western tendencies toward individualism are unique and based on evolved psychological adaptions... We have seen that Western individualism is intimately entwined with scientific thinking and social structures based on hierarchic harmony, sexual egalitarianism, and democratic and republican forms of government. These uniquely Western tendencies suggest that reciprocity is a deeply ingrained western tendency.....

Another critical component of the evolutionary basis of individualism is the elaboration of the human affectional system as an individualistic pair-bonding system, the system that seemed so strange that it was theorized to be a thin veneer overlaying a deep psychopathology to a generation of Jewish intellectuals emerging from the ghetto..... This system is highly elaborated in Western cultures in both men and women, and it is psychometrically linked with empathy, altruism, and nurturance. **Individuals who are very high on this system- predominantly females- are pathologically prone to altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behavior... Such a perspective also accounts for the much-commented-on gender gap in voting in which females favor political candidates with liberal positions on social issues.... and political stances that equalize rather than accentuate differences between individuals and groups....

This system continues to be adaptive in the modern world in its role in underlying high-investment parenting, but it is easy to see that the relative hypertrophy of this system may result in maladaptive behavior if a system designed for empathy, altruism, and nurturance of family members and others in a closely related group becomes directed at a world outside the family.** **

Avalanche

2003-01-06 03:35 | User Profile

**Frederick William I:  Individuals who are very high on this system- predominantly females- are pathologically prone to altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behavior... Such a perspective also accounts for the  much-commented-on gender gap in voting in which females favor political candidates with liberal positions on social issues.... and political stances that equalize rather than accentuate differences between individuals and  groups.... ** And hence, women should not be allowed to vote. BUT, before we change THAT "privilege," we first need to return men to being MEN, and have them taking care of women. Huh, maybe we need to require that in order to vote, a man must be taking care of a woman and their children... But then, I'd rather see only, say, land-owners and maybe men earning over a certain amount of income (not just pulling interest!), be voting... Well, this is off the top of my head – I'd want to refine my criteria further – but I SURE 'NOUGH do NOT want the vast vast majority of welfare-taking / poor / uneducated / illiterate and so on voting...

** This system continues to be adaptive in the modern world in its role in underlying high-investment parenting, but it is easy to see that the relative hypertrophy of this system may result in maladaptive behavior if a system designed for empathy, altruism, and nurturance of family members and others in a closely related group becomes directed at a world outside the family.** I just don’t know how one reaches women, to educate them that they MUST prefer “their own” to unrelated others! I had a long and somewhat argumentative dinner discussion with a woman (on a lovely Crystal Cruise ship!), who was insisting that we had to do whatever it took to feed all the starving babies in Africa – and when I pointed out (over and over) that all we did in saving them was let them grow up to starve MORE babies... She just could NOT admit that it was inappropriate to damage OUR country trying to save people who could not be saved.
I remember this conversation esp. because I was so surprised to be supported by a (male) optometrist at our dinner table, who agreed that the babies had to be left alone with their parent’s own mess – that it was NOT our place/job/responsibility to try to save them, but that we needed to focus on saving our OWN ‘tribe/people.’

And, I guess, it’s a common enough "problem" that women just can’t handle the hard truth! It is sad but necessary to let babies starve to death. It is preferable to prevent them from being born at all; I’m always baffled why so many religious folks would rather fight the abortion fight than push push push birth control – which is pretty much guaranteed to stop (or massively cut down on) abortion. (If the woman doesn’t GET pregnant, then she won’t have to kill it off.) Well, that’s whole ‘nother discussion...
Anyway – ‘our’ society has allowed women, who are not generally able to deal with honest reality to have too much input into how the society shall be run. They keep (and I know this cause I kept) insisting there must be a third way – some way to provide food and health to EVERYone, AND keep our society alive.

My idiot (Gandhian pacifist) sister, with her fine 13-yr-old son, is willing to take a bullet for her beliefs, and more astonishing to me, is willing to let her SON take one too! She’s totally freako liberal and a staunch... Anglican? Episcopalian? anti-gun, anti-conservative. I’ve discussed elsewhere my understanding of the need to band together to provide for ‘one’s own’ in preference to ‘others’:

** Avalanche:  There is NO SUCH THING as freedom for all... freedom for all means every man for himself... And when several men collude as they ALWAYS do, then what?

I realized a great realization, in the process of being deprogrammed: My weenie sisters, with their weenie husbands, believe that there could be a way to feed all the people, and save everyone, and so on... Here, however, is how it ALWAYS works:

Suppose we were able to come up with some way to ensure that every single human child could get just enough food to survive? Not enough to thrive and grow strong, but enough to survive. I would find a way to ensure that my nephews (as I have no children: how much stronger would be my drive if they were my own?!) got MORE than their fair share -- that THEY got enough to thrive and prosper. Does that mean someone else's kids starve? So be it! Let their parents/relatives get strong enough to TAKE what they need to live!

And my older sister and her husband, who would absolutely NOT band together to ensure their son got "more than his fair share," would still have NO CHOICE but to band together to protect their son's meager portion from being taken from him!

"Freedom for all" is the individualist fallacy -- humans will always collude, and strength is necessary to survive -- and strength depends on GROUP action! (And a group should be based in family and 'tribe' and race and region!).

If you must subordinate yourself to a group -- and you MUST -- then make sure it's YOUR group! With YOUR interests at heart! With the intent to protect and shelter YOUR family!**

Fred Bill 1, does that answer your question?

** predominantly females- are pathologically prone to altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behavior. Ah – I want to add about this – I don’t think it’s pathological in a traditional, ordered (I will further narrow it to white) society. This is the right kind of behaviour within one’s own ‘tribe.’ If the women are prone to being altruistic, nurturant, and dependent TO/ON THEIR OWN MALES, then it is appropriate and leads to the health and success of their own society. Our society, having been sapped by parasites, the natural altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behaviours women has been subverted to the support of others/outsiders (cowbirds anyone?).

Frederick William I

2003-01-06 04:25 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 6 2003, 03:35 Fred Bill 1, does that answer your question?

Not entirely. But due to your insight, I won't punish your impertinence by asking you to, in the good ole Prussian tradition, run the gauntlet. ;)

** Ah – I want to add about this – I don’t think it’s pathological in a traditional, ordered (I will further narrow it to white) society.  This is the right kind of behaviour within one’s own ‘tribe.’  If the women are prone to being altruistic, nurturant, and dependent TO/ON THEIR OWN MALES, then it is appropriate and leads to the health and success of their own society.  Our society, having been sapped by parasites, the natural altruistic, nurturant, and dependent behaviours women has been subverted to the support of others/outsiders (cowbirds anyone?).**

We are getting very involved in an area I am not an expert on. Much extensive research has been done on male/female roles recently, which I am not intimately acquainted with, other than to note it comports with MacDonald's observations. If more trained psychologists and sociologists were willing to use his findings more openly, they might come up with some very good insights, but I'm not one of them.

I am tempted to comment on an interesting fact I noticed the other day regarding the way cowbird's induce their pathology among host nests (involving terror) but evolutionary psychological speculation can only go so far. It gives some insights, but by itself answers seem rather elusive to me. There is a spiritual side I think that really needs to be addressed for us to be physicians, and not just pathologists.

eric von zipper

2003-01-06 13:26 | User Profile

Avalanche/Romy

You are new here so maybe I can tell you a little about George in order that you may understand him.

When he was a young yute he was very bashful around girls because he was very inexperienced, as all yutes are. He used to be a real wallflower at all the CYO dances and would only dance with nuns because he didn't have the nerve to approach a real girl.

One night a new girl came to the CYO who George didn't recognize from the neighborhood. She wasn't bad at all. She reminded him of the schizoid girl in the movie David and Lisa. George had seen the movie 3 times because he was so attracted to the schizoid girl and was actually hoping to someday marry a pretty dark haired schizoid with a pouty mouth and expensive yet tasteful clothes just like the one in the movie.

Well when the time came when George would usually head for the boy's lavatory - I'm talking about when they would announce a lady's choice - George decided to hang around and risk being the only boy under 300 pounds not asked to dance. Oh sure, nuns would sometimes ask George to dance and they would never let him lead, so they didn't count.

So he decided to hang around sorta like Charlie Brown forlornly hoping the pretty red haired girl would come over.

Well, folks, the music started up and it was George's favorite love ballad, Johnny Tillotson's It Keeps Right On a Hurtin. The girls started asking boys to dance and instead of getting right up between the water fountain and the coke machine hoping no one would notice him because he was so insignificant and inadequate ole George screwed his courage up and stayed right where he was which was right across from the girl of his dreams, the pretty little schizoid.

Suddenly George's heart leaped just like his daddy's Studebaker President did when the hill holder feature disengaged. He couldn't believe it. The pretty little schizoid was smiling at him and walking towards him her face beaming like she was experiencing a bipolar high. George couldn't believe his luck. Johnny T. was singing something about the pillow where you rest your head. A lovely neurotic with expensive yet tasteful clothing was crossing no man's land just for him, her hand stretched out waiting for him to take it in his.

George giddily reached out his hand to her and moved forward to meet her. So many things were running through his head. Altuistic things. He wanted to tell her about primal scream therapy and especially about his hero. His hero wasn't your typical run of the mill circa 1960 hero that most junior high school boys had. George was too intellectual to have heroes like Mickey Mantle or Frank Gifford. Heck no. His hero was Frederick Nietzke. George longed to tell the pretty dark haired girl all about Nietzke. He would start at the beginning and teach her how to spell Nietzke. After that the rest would be easy.

But then something terrible happened.

As the girl neared our little protaganist it seemed to him that she was veering off ever so slightly the closer she got to him. George kept on moving sideways to intercept her but she would veer of even further yet still was coming forward. It reminded George of his favorite movie "It Happens every Spring" where the baseball is repelled by the wooden bat because of the magic substance Ray Milland rubs on it.

Suddenly she stopped and looked at George and said "Ed-O would you like to dance?."

Ed-O! Ed-O! Oh G-D! NO! Thought George. Ed-O was his despised weasly little neighbor whose mother drove George crazy with her incessant ED-O! ED-O! just like Henry Aldrich's mother only worse because Henry Aldrich didn't live next door.

Then, a profoundly chagrined George heard a weasly little voice, a familiar weasly little voice, from directly behind him say "sure, I'll dance with ya if George will hold my frog for me".

Then Ed-O , the only kid in George's school who always brought a frog to CYO dances, reached into his suit pocket and thrust a frog into the hands off the stunned George who at this point was past - way past - objecting. Then he went off to dance with the dark haired girl of Geroge's dreams.

I hope, Avalanche, that this little scene in the life of George will help you to understand him the way those of us do who have been on this board longer than you.

For it can be said - and maybe even it was Neitzke who said it - that some men have greatness thrust upon them while others have to settle for frogs.

:D

Avalanche

2003-01-06 14:36 | User Profile

Eric, Doesn't this say more about you than about George? I mean, you still remember it in SUCH detail, and with such obviously painful resonance... :P

eric von zipper

2003-01-06 20:32 | User Profile

Don't use any of that pop psychology on ole Eric, Romy. While George was attending CYO I was at Sandhurst knocking over colonel's wives.

Golly, I haven't seen hide nor hair of Ole George today, have you?

I think I'll fix myself a nice gin and tonic and I'll hold it up to the screen when I submit my message and maybe the delicious aroma of a nice cold gin and tonic with a fresh lime will somehow osmosiscally permeate the pixels on my screen and be sent through cyberspace and wake ole George up.

I've got a frosted glass here fresh out of the fridge. Let me put some ice in it. But not too much. There that's about right.

Now comes the good part - tanquerray that I keep in the fridge next to the glasses. Pour that baby out till it's about 2/3 full. None of that weak stuff for me. G-D those botanicals smell nice. Now where's my Schweppes. Of course, it's in the fridge too. Let me fetch it.

I'm back. OK. Here's the part I like best. Pouring in the tonic water. G-D that's some fizz. Nietzke liked fizz. I read that somewhere. Now let me stir it a little.

Plop in a nice cold fresh lime for garnish. G-D I spilled a little. Let me wipe it up before my SO bith-ches about it.

OK, now before I take a sip, while it's still fizzing and fogging up the glass I'm holding it right up to the screen and I'm pushing the submit button.

Cheers.

mwdallas

2003-01-06 21:04 | User Profile

I pointed out (over and over) that all we did in saving them was let them grow up to starve MORE babies.

That's a very rational perspective. You are absolutely right.

Avalanche

2003-01-06 21:12 | User Profile

OK, now before I take a sip, while it's still fizzing and fogging up the glass I'm holding it right up to the screen and I'm pushing the submit button. Cheers. Pour one for me? :)

George

2003-01-07 00:35 | User Profile

Fortunately civilization--(when not hiding behind itself, i.e. corrupted, like an Enron, et al.)--permits or rather requires..."one for all, all for one!" Except during acts of Nature, as in the face of an AVALANCHE... "every man for himself." I kid. No, I haven't (surprise, surprise) currently a female companion... C'ept, Miss Lily! Yes, of course when I have a preferred female, who likes me (a real one, not an ideal)... THEN, of course my blood (red) wants that I should protect her... Although, I've never owned a Pistol...like a .45... They seem so final, or 'sneaky', I don't know. If your guy, Avalanche carries his in plain view on this belt... I think that's more fair, if there is any such thing...well, at least in civilization, fairness or thereabouts is supposed to exist, and no doubt it can, and does... perhaps happily and sadly, as often as not? C'est la vie!

Nietzsche wrote almost tongue in cheek (we don't know if for publication) only in his personal notes, published posthumously by others, in the final analysis, everything is a will to power....While in another breath his highlighting the limitations of exacly what words or a word 'mean', if anything... e.g. "power"-?-... is it 'happiness', the pursuit of happiness, joy-?-'relative freedom'-?-or merely being the most miserable guy, or gal...with the biggest hammer? Or perhaps contextually, being a joyful, or happy guy or gal with the biggest hammer? To survive, to endure, to prevail...perhaps all of those things...in, as Nietzsche acknowledged, a world constantly becoming while at the same time constantly passing away-?-seamless with neither beginning nor end? Using myself in the world as a reference, I don't know for sure... As Nietzsche would suggest, that's ok, it's impossible to know, thus to be courageously accepted as an 'unknowable'... but again we're only dealing here in 'words'... intimations of each of our own as well as of our collective, situational reality... Rationally speaking it seems to be circular...what is to be has been, what has been is now, to be, and past...

I think at least an aspect of 'power' is joyfulness in accepting the circle...of life... Perhaps if there is more or another reality afterward (or during)... we only enter Otherworldly streams, as sages have suggested, once we 'pass' the angel of Joy-?-implying at least one's own joyfulness, as well? Some of your words have given me joy, Avalanche... brought me therefore--(in a good sense, which no doubt even your Pistol packing, good husband, might appreciate or understand)--nearer my g-d to thee...

I'm corny..."for these are the endurin'verities, the eternal truths of the heart..." -W.F. Corny, in good company-?-at least, I Guess? Now you see, I'm stone sober, and I really do believe this is coherent too, isn't it? This world has yet to grow bigger or smaller... It's a kaleidoscope, what it is, and in that context, constantly transforming itself, circularly, & e.g. a kaleidoscope... I must say, I do have JOY with that, with its colors, realities... what say thee, do you think one fine day I'll get a 'ticket' too Elsewhere... the 'price' of admission...pertetre to Other worlds??? That would be Gravy, albeit, I like gravy... I'm down, with that! G-d willing...

If they're there-?-Too & I gets a ticket, boss, I'll gets in the Holy Steams too...leading back & forward-?-to the Heavenly kingdoms... why not? Who knows by this time passengers may even bump into Nietzsche? Or why not-?-even F.W. I -?- Why not? I don't know...

One day my body will return to the Earthly Mother, even also my ears, and my eyes... I've tasted it, and as one poet put it, 'fallen down stairs, eaten the moist earth...'

But the Holy Stream of Life, the Holy Stream of Sound, and the Holy Stream of Light, these were never born, and can never die.

"More than this cannot be told, for the Holy Streams will take you to that place where words are no more, and even the Holy Scrolls cannot record the mysteries therein."

Obviously it's an EXPERIENTIAL School type of deal, no, under G-d? What do I know-?-I'm sober today, as a church mouse. Ok, who cut one-?-too much cheese? :D :huh:

George

2003-01-08 15:31 | User Profile

Seriously, thanks Avalanche... sometimes words are the best tools we have, and you apparently helped drop-kick and inspire my sorry buttocks to a slightly better track or niche again... meaningfully you know like a glacier moves or shifts a few inches sometimes, yet it's important. We live in a world of inches... I think it's because you reminded me of Woman... "W - O - M - A - N" and a lady, in a healthy way... (don't worry, I'm not in-love; remember I separated from mommy E-motionally many years ago so I can thank and compliment a woman as a person, without having to project my anima onto her...and go gah-gah, "gah-gah" ... both women and men are carried & brought up by women...she's kind of lucky because she Can become mom... for himself it's a little more rigorous, he Can't become mom... unless of course he's Dame Edna-?-but still he can't become mom, although he can rule England)... I kid, I kid...

So where was I... oh yes, you reminded me there is a woman left or remaining, at least one, and so of course many, many, many more... and that I hold women in esteem, and that men even after they've separated from mom... and sometimes even after they've forgotten... Actually do live For women... (that's the Power of woman too, if she desires to keep that...) So it's a healthy thing, I can I feel I've shifted the few inches away from whom you called appropriately mad-George, over-imbibing and sometimes even then posting and in shifting realized that's not such a good-George...or even an Actual-George... See, apparently it's actual, at least in terms of health there's a tandem thing going on between male & female, wherein it's preferable for both if he's him, and she's her? Nietzsche may have been accurate, that there's really no Synthesis in (this) world...rather due to degrees of difference as they have already manifested, there are NEAR-opposites, which we ought not seek to necessarily synthesize or ameliorate...

Having mentioned Nietzsche perhaps should give equal time to the I think he was Irish-English... Byron, or Lord Byron...

This is good because we all suffer, and with Byron his woes are always related to those of others, too.

I suppose I should add it was a different age, probably a better time, and Byron makes this verse noble by permitting into it, the guilt he feels resides in his own (unknowable) creator, and he permits into it as well the component of forgiveness... The reason I preface it, with these remarks is because today it could seem 'unrealistic' or 'corny'... However it impressed me as being more Whole...

*And if my voice break forth, 'tis not that now I shrink from what is suffered: let him speak Who hath beheld decline upon my brow, Or seen my mind's convulsions leave it weak; But in this page a record will I seek. Not in the air shall these my words disperse, Though I be ashes; a far hour shall wreak The deep prophetic fulness of this verse, And pile on human heads the mountain of my curse! That curse shall be Forgiveness.-Have I not- Hear me, my mother Earth! behold it, Heaven!- Have I not had to wrestle with my lot? Have I not suffered things to be forgiven? Have I not had my brain seared, my heart riven, Hopes sapped, name blighted. Life's life lied away?...

But I have lived, and have not lived in vain.*

eric von zipper

2003-01-08 16:37 | User Profile

I need a gin and tonic ---right now. Where's my limes?

My wife better not have taken the last one.

Let me open the ole fridge and check.

BITH-CH!. G-D DAMN!

That cuts it.

If race traitor Vic Damone can divorce Diahnne Carroll because she ate the last meatball I got a good cause. In New York anyway.

George

2003-01-08 17:14 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 8 2003, 16:37 ** I need a gin and tonic ---right now. Where's my limes?

My wife better not have taken the last one.

Let me open the ole fridge and check.

BITH-CH!. G-D DAMN!

That cuts it.

If race traitor Vic Damone can divorce Diahnne Carroll because she ate the last meatball I got a good cause. In New York anyway. **

I've got a lime... Ol'buddy, I was once like you are now... then Avalanche (I hope she's a she...by her at least wisdomatic words...) AVALANCHED, me... It's not a bad way to go Eric, either sky diving (if you don't fear death) and the chute doesn't open, or in bed... Eric are you going to "slay" me, and tell me you're really Avalanche... it won't matter the 'damage' (or benefit) is already done... either way... thanks Ol'buddy... I hear'ya. I hear ya'babe... I haven't put it down altogether... got to strike a blow for liberty, once in a while... cheers?

George

2003-01-08 17:52 | User Profile

George Posted: Jan 8 2003, 15:31
Senior Member

Seriously, thanks Avalanche... sometimes words are the best tools we have, and you apparently helped drop-kick and inspire my sorry buttocks to a slightly better track or niche again... meaningfully you know like a glacier moves or shifts a few inches sometimes, yet it's important. We live in a world of inches... I think it's because you reminded me of Woman... "W - O - M - A - N" and a lady, in a healthy way... (don't worry, I'm not in-love; remember I separated from mommy E-motionally many years ago so I can thank and compliment a woman as a person, without having to project my anima onto her...and go gah-gah, "gah-gah" ... both women and men are carried & brought up by women...she's kind of lucky because she Can become mom... for himself it's a little more rigorous, he Can't become mom... unless of course he's Dame Edna-?-but still he can't become mom, although he can rule England)... I kid, I kid...

So where was I... oh yes, you reminded me there is a woman left or remaining, at least one, and so of course many, many, many more... and that I hold women in esteem, and that men even after they've separated from mom... and sometimes even after they've forgotten... Actually do live For women... (that's the Power of woman too, if she desires to keep that...) So it's a healthy thing, I can I feel I've shifted the few inches away from whom you called appropriately mad-George, over-imbibing and sometimes even then posting and in shifting realized that's not such a good-George...or even an Actual-George... See, apparently it's actual, at least in terms of health there's a tandem thing going on between male & female, wherein it's preferable for both if he's him, and she's her? Nietzsche may have been accurate, that there's really no Synthesis in (this) world...rather due to degrees of difference as they have already manifested, there are NEAR-opposites, which we ought not seek to necessarily synthesize or ameliorate...

Having mentioned Nietzsche perhaps should give equal time to the I think he was Irish-English... Byron, or Lord Byron...

This is good because we all suffer, and with Byron his woes are always related to those of others, too.

I suppose I should add it was a different age, probably a better time, and Byron makes this verse noble by permitting into it, the guilt he feels resides in his own (unknowable) creator, and he permits into it as well the component of forgiveness... The reason I preface it, with these remarks is because today it could seem 'unrealistic' or 'corny'... However it impressed me as being more Whole...

*And if my voice break forth, 'tis not that now I shrink from what is suffered: let him speak Who hath beheld decline upon my brow, Or seen my mind's convulsions leave it weak; But in this page a record will I seek. Not in the air shall these my words disperse, Though I be ashes; a far hour shall wreak The deep prophetic fulness of this verse, And pile on human heads the mountain of my curse! That curse shall be Forgiveness.-Have I not- Hear me, my mother Earth! behold it, Heaven!- Have I not had to wrestle with my lot? Have I not suffered things to be forgiven? Have I not had my brain seared, my heart riven, Hopes sapped, name blighted. Life's life lied away?...

But I have lived, and have not lived in vain.*

eric von zipper Posted: Jan 8 2003, 16:37
Senior Member

I need a gin and tonic ---right now. Where's my limes?

My wife better not have taken the last one.

Let me open the ole fridge and check.

BITH-CH!. G-D DAMN!

That cuts it.

If race traitor Vic Damone can divorce Diahnne Carroll because she ate the last meatball I got a good cause. In New York anyway.

George Posted: Jan 8 2003, 17:14
Senior Member

QUOTE OF (eric von zipper @ Jan 8 2003, 16:37 ) I need a gin and tonic ---right now. Where's my limes?

My wife better not have taken the last one.

Let me open the ole fridge and check.

BITH-CH!. G-D DAMN!

That cuts it.

If race traitor Vic Damone can divorce Diahnne Carroll because she ate the last meatball I got a good cause. In New York anyway.

QUOTE OF (George Jan 8 2003, 17:14)

I've got a lime... Ol'buddy, I was once like you are now... then Avalanche (I hope she's a she...by her at least wisdomatic words...) AVALANCHED, me... It's not a bad way to go Eric, either sky diving (if you don't fear death) and the chute doesn't open, or in bed... Eric are you going to "slay" me, and tell me you're really Avalanche... it won't matter the 'damage' (or benefit) is already done... either way... thanks Ol'buddy... I hear'ya. I hear ya'babe... I haven't put it down altogether... got to strike a blow for liberty, once in a while... cheers?

eric von zipper

2003-01-08 18:15 | User Profile

Heck no, George, I only post as EVZ, erstwhile leader of the Rats in all those Funicello/Avalon movies. There was a powerhouse duo---Frankie Funicello and Annette Avalon.

Avalanche will be along soon I'm sure. Someone at the internet cafe probably doesn't want to give up their seat. I was wrong on the Romy thingee. She really looks more like Simone Signoret. She looks nothing like Lisa in David and Lisa who was played I believe by Janet Margolin.

My wife dodged the bullet this time. She put the last lime in the crisper.

Vic Damone must have been so pissed when he came home late from a singing gig and went to the fridge for some leftovers and discovered that Diahnne had eaten the last meatball. I can relate to that and I ain't even a dago.

Can I share a deeply held conviction?

Nothing pisses me off more than when I order a gin and tonic and the bartender says "do you want a lime?".

I bet that never happened to Nietzke (I think you are spelling it wrong BTW) because his Germany was a much more cultured place than modern day America.

He never had to deal with a bartender saying "do you want a lime?"

And as for Byron, I'm sure he always got a lime in his Gin without even asking.

So I guess I'm implying that even though one got to hang around with Wagner and the other got more women than Mick Jagger they never had to experience certain things I've had to experience.

Especially when ordering gin and tonics.

George

2003-01-08 18:42 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 8 2003, 18:15 ** Heck no, George, I only post as EVZ, erstwhile leader of the Rats in all those Funicello/Avalon movies. There was a powerhouse duo---Frankie Funicello and Annette Avalon.

Avalanche will be along soon I'm sure. Someone at the internet cafe probably doesn't want to give up their seat. I was wrong on the Romy thingee. She really looks more like Simone Signoret. She looks nothing like Lisa in David and Lisa who was played I believe by Janet Margolin.

My wife dodged the bullet this time. She put the last lime in the crisper.

Vic Damone must have been so pissed when he came home late from a singing gig and went to the fridge for some leftovers and discovered that Diahnne had eaten the last meatball. I can relate to that and I ain't even a dago.

Can I share a deeply held conviction?

Nothing pisses me off more than when I order a gin and tonic and the bartender says "do you want a lime?".

I bet that never happened to Nietzke (I think you are spelling it wrong BTW) because his Germany was a much more cultured place than modern day America.

He never had to deal with a bartender saying "do you want a lime?"

And as for Byron, I'm sure he always got a lime in his Gin without even asking.

So I guess I'm implying that even though one got to hang around with Wagner and the other got more women than Mick Jagger they never had to experience certain things I've had to experience.

Especially when ordering gin and tonics. **

EVZ... your Emphasis, admirably...is still on the zipper Part... dopey, prick... get a little (more) Iron in your Spine, a friend once said & it did wonders for me ... ok? No one is more mundane than Ol'George, I'm well aware of the Refrigerator & stolen meatballs, or worse, damnable Missing limes... News Flash... try it without a lime... you won't get scurvy... Now back to me talking to a real broad... el'Avalanche... although I still agree with'Ya... I'm always primarily on my side i.e. the 'guys's' side, (no choice) actually... even if I prefer Her...

Hey EVZ, leave me alone... I'm just tryin'to thank the broad, credit where credit is Due... no? What is Avalanche your wife? We've established it ain't you... maybe it's her? No problem, I have no Interest, romantically... no problemo: rest, peace... etc. you know my motto-?- "REST IN ACTION!" Back to earth... the reason that's not only true, but actual, is even Sleep is an Activity... and, no one I know of likes Sleep more than moi.... zzzzzzzzzz..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... zzzzzz...

George Posted: Jan 8 2003, 15:31
Senior Member

Seriously, thanks Avalanche... sometimes words are the best tools we have, and you apparently helped drop-kick and inspire my sorry buttocks to a slightly better track or niche again... meaningfully you know like a glacier moves or shifts a few inches sometimes, yet it's important. We live in a world of inches... I think it's because you reminded me of Woman... "W - O - M - A - N" and a lady, in a healthy way... (don't worry, I'm not in-love; remember I separated from mommy E-motionally many years ago so I can thank and compliment a woman as a person, without having to project my anima onto her...and go gah-gah, "gah-gah" ... both women and men are carried & brought up by women...she's kind of lucky because she Can become mom... for himself it's a little more rigorous, he Can't become mom... unless of course he's Dame Edna-?-but still he can't become mom, although he can rule England)... I kid, I kid...

So where was I... oh yes, you reminded me there is a woman left or remaining, at least one, and so of course many, many, many more... and that I hold women in esteem, and that men even after they've separated from mom... and sometimes even after they've forgotten... Actually do live For women... (that's the Power of woman too, if she desires to keep that...) So it's a healthy thing, I can I feel I've shifted the few inches away from whom you called appropriately mad-George, over-imbibing and sometimes even then posting and in shifting realized that's not such a good-George...or even an Actual-George... See, apparently it's actual, at least in terms of health there's a tandem thing going on between male & female, wherein it's preferable for both if he's him, and she's her? Nietzsche may have been accurate, that there's really no Synthesis in (this) world...rather due to degrees of difference as they have already manifested, there are NEAR-opposites, which we ought not seek to necessarily synthesize or ameliorate...

Having mentioned Nietzsche perhaps should give equal time to the I think he was Irish-English... Byron, or Lord Byron...

This is good because we all suffer, and with Byron his woes are always related to those of others, too.

I suppose I should add it was a different age, probably a better time, and Byron makes this verse noble by permitting into it, the guilt he feels resides in his own (unknowable) creator, and he permits into it as well the component of forgiveness... The reason I preface it, with these remarks is because today it could seem 'unrealistic' or 'corny'... However it impressed me as being more Whole...

*And if my voice break forth, 'tis not that now I shrink from what is suffered: let him speak Who hath beheld decline upon my brow, Or seen my mind's convulsions leave it weak; But in this page a record will I seek. Not in the air shall these my words disperse, Though I be ashes; a far hour shall wreak The deep prophetic fulness of this verse, And pile on human heads the mountain of my curse! That curse shall be Forgiveness.-Have I not- Hear me, my mother Earth! behold it, Heaven!- Have I not had to wrestle with my lot? Have I not suffered things to be forgiven? Have I not had my brain seared, my heart riven, Hopes sapped, name blighted. Life's life lied away?...

But I have lived, and have not lived in vain.*

NOTE to a good guy named Eric Von Zipper... I wonder if she's back yet from the Internet (gosh bless her heart) Cafe? I don't even think she'll speak to us after this, Eric...she got what she wanted, what she was after... she's Right! Congrats! I congratulate Her...

eric von zipper

2003-01-08 19:03 | User Profile

She'll be along.

That is if you didn't scare her off with those Byron quotes.

Jeez, you were doing fine until you screwed it up with those quotes.

Remind me the next time I'm in NYC not to go out and try to pick up chicks with you, George. The Byron thingee is definitely a deal stopper.

Now I would like to talk directly to Avalanche, George, if you don't mind. Everybody but Avalance should just go to another thread. We need to be alone together.

Avalanche

I keep looking at that picture of you because I know I've seen it somewhere before. At first I thought it was a plant. You know a fake. Like in Taxi when Louie DiPalma sent that good looking taxi driver to Louie's high school reunion because he didn't want to show up as the same old Louie DiPalma.

I hope you don't take this personally, Avalanche, but I've been stung a few times with women I've met over the internet and thus I am a little wary.

There are few things that annoy me more than being asked "do you want a lime with your gin and tonic?" but one of them is when a woman on the internet misrepresents her appearance.

I wish I had a fresh lime for every girl who has described herself as "weight proportional to height" who turned out to be 5 foot tall and 5 foot wide. That's not proportional! Somebody needs to look up proportional in the dictionary.

oh s***T here comes my wife-------more later.

eric von zipper

2003-01-08 19:19 | User Profile

Whew!

OK, Like i was saying, Avalanche, I've been stung a few times so when I saw your very fetching picture the antannae went up out of instinct I guess.

You do remind me of the french movie star Simone Signoret who was one of my favorites but I assume you have been told that many times before. I know how that feels because people are always telling me I look like Steve McQueen, especially when I drive my fastback Mustang with the 351 cleveland engine. People always yell "there goes Bullit".

Avalanche, as far as that other poster here named George I feel compelled to divulge to you, for your own protection, that he is an inmate at a state institution for lunatics who is considered too dangerous for work release.

Let me give you an example of how dangerous he is.

His roommate at the lunatic asylum is David Berkowitz AKA The Son Of Sam.

Well Berkowitz is out on work release but they won't let George.

What does that tell you, Avalanche?

George

2003-01-08 19:42 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 8 2003, 19:19 ** Whew!

OK, Like i was saying, Avalanche, I've been stung a few times so when I saw your very fetching picture the antannae went up out of instinct I guess.

You do remind me of the french movie star Simone Signoret who was one of my favorites but I assume you have been told that many times before. I know how that feels because people are always telling me I look like Steve McQueen, especially when I drive my fastback Mustang with the 351 cleveland engine. People always yell "there goes Bullit".

Avalanche, as far as that other poster here named George I feel compelled to divulge to you, for your own protection, that he is an inmate at a state institution for lunatics who is considered too dangerous for work release.

Let me give you an example of how dangerous he is.

His roommate at the lunatic asylum is David Berkowitz AKA The Son Of Sam.

Well Berkowitz is out on work release but they won't let George.

What does that tell you, Avalanche? **

AVALANCHE... I wish to have nothing to do with you (Ever) except if you choose for Conversation... that's something civilized... I thought EVZ, apparently this Animal (this lying fiend) was to prove someone remotely admirable... forgive me if I'm not surprised, (just as I wouldn't be surprised, albeit sadly) if said animal wasn't also impersonating You??? I hope not. I just read what the Animal claims he "knows" about me in the above Grotesque post of his... Now I'm pissed... I'll leave it at that...

No, I'll just P.S. this... that the Animal seems Hell bent on pre-empting some good poetry by... Lord Byron... in a few posts of mine earlier... I guess he's still too embroiled in Hate, to know at least Poetry (something real) transcends that...

eric von zipper

2003-01-08 20:53 | User Profile

"AVALANCHE... I wish to have nothing to do with you (Ever) except if you choose for Conversation... "

OK, pal, that's better than that Byron stuff but methinks thou doth protest too much.

I ain't buyin it and I doubt if Avalanche will.

Avalanche, honey, if this guy axes you if you wanna go for a ride in his convertible be forwarned - it's a Castro Convertible.

Nuff said.

George

2003-01-08 21:21 | User Profile

Originally posted by George@Jan 8 2003, 19:42 ** > Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 8 2003, 19:19 ** Whew!

OK, Like i was saying, Avalanche, I've been stung a few times so when I saw your very fetching picture the antannae went up out of instinct I guess.

You do remind me of the french movie star Simone Signoret who was one of my favorites but I assume you have been told that many times before. I know how that feels because people are always telling me I look like Steve McQueen, especially when I drive my fastback Mustang with the 351 cleveland engine. People always yell "there goes Bullit".

Avalanche, as far as that other poster here named George I feel compelled to divulge to you, for your own protection, that he is an inmate at a state institution for lunatics who is considered too dangerous for work release.

Let me give you an example of how dangerous he is.

His roommate at the lunatic asylum is David Berkowitz AKA The Son Of Sam.

Well Berkowitz is out on work release but they won't let George.

What does that tell you, Avalanche? **

Response by George to eric von zipper:

AVALANCHE... I wish to have nothing to do with you (Ever) except if you choose for Conversation... that's something civilized... I thought EVZ, apparently this Animal (this lying fiend) was to prove someone remotely admirable... forgive me if I'm not surprised, (just as I wouldn't be surprised, albeit sadly) if said animal wasn't also impersonating You??? I hope not. I just read what the Animal claims he "knows" about me in the above Grotesque post of his... Now I'm pissed... I'll leave it at that...

No, I'll just P.S. this... that the Animal seems Hell bent on pre-empting some good poetry by... Lord Byron... in a few posts of mine earlier... I guess he's still too embroiled in Hate, to know at least Poetry (something real) transcends that... **

Next Post... El'George continues...

Avalanche, eschew e.v.ZIPPER... he's thinking with his dong... he says "n'uff said..."

Again I think the 'talent" i.e. e.v.z., is an Actor... & even if he's "you"... he's so talented, he helped me out, in one of his incarnations... but in the current... he's just your Used, rag... If that's who, on the other hand, he really is currently well, that's who then he really is, currently...

If possible, (although perhaps distaste with these last few posts might dissuade you?) read the ones prior, like on page 2... or any of them since you last posted. Since E.V.Z. came into the picture, I can't help but notice, you Absented yourself... if there's a 'you'... Talent is talent... if You are E.V.Z. then regardless if I hate him or not... he 'saved', or helped me, and so I've got to, and already have, thanked him...

e.v.ZIPPER... says he's Not you... ?

il ragno

2003-01-09 01:10 | User Profile

Took me a while to get around to this thread but I'd be remiss in not doffing my cap to Eric Von Zipper - his 'wallflower at the dance' post was inspired stuff. Even South Dakota Slim shaved and chewed a couple Sen-Sens for his appearance in this thread - and as such deserves a polite round of applause.

For a minute I thought I was in for three tiresome bandwidth pages of 'my husband opens doors for me AND scrubs the toilet while I watch my soaps AND gets me the best table in the restaurant waving that .45 of his at the maitre'd - and so should all of you" but, luckily, a piefight broke out just in time.

Avalanche

2003-01-09 05:32 | User Profile

Boys! Boys! Now, STOP this bickering and play nice!! :D (There, does THAT prove I'm female? tee hee hee!)

She'll be along. That is if you didn't scare her off with those Byron quotes. I WILL be along... I've been working my fingers off at work... (No internet cafes for me: I actually have a personal (as in MINE! not an IBM) (well, except it is ALSO a non-Mac/PC) computer at both work and home... but we had to lay off my husband's one employee for 2 months (when oh when is that supposed proposed economic rebound coming?!) and so I don't have time to even scan your messages except now, past midnight, and I'm only awake NOW because I fell asleep on the couch after dinner... yawn.)

(For all I am a "kept wife," I still contribute mightily to my husband's manufacturing business! And while not taxing of the mind, it's exhausting of the brain! FYI, I'm grinding the angled edge onto carbide cutting tips!)

Byron doesn't scare me, Shakespeare pleases me!

Oh, and il ragno? We DON'T waste pies on throwing! Not on this thread! We throw MUD, it's lower calorie!! Pies go very nicely with a gin and tonic -- and no, I've never heard of one withOUT the lemon?!

Avalanche

2003-01-09 05:52 | User Profile

**Eric:  You do remind me of the french movie star Simone Signoret who was one of my favorites but I assume you have been told that many times before. ** Actually, I've been told I looked like (a young) Lauren Bacall, esp. when my hair was long. In the picture it's up under a sailor's hat, but it was, if I remember, about mid-back length. (I remind you, that was me at 15, today (Wed.) is my 47th birthday!)

New George:  Seriously, thanks Avalanche... sometimes words are the best tools we have, and you apparently helped drop-kick and inspire my sorry buttocks to a slightly better track or niche again... meaningfully you know like a glacier moves or shifts a few inches sometimes, yet it's important. We live in a world of inches... I think it's because you reminded me of Woman... "W - O - M - A - N" and a lady, in a healthy way... You're quite welcome. It was my hope that I could interest both men and women in a discussion of gender roles, and the salvaging of both sexes from the destruction planned and instituted for them! And moving by inches is all it takes to grind and wear away mountains of denial and to carve fjords of escape!

Il ragno:  ...AND gets me the best table in the restaurant waving that .45 of his at the maitre'd - and so should all of you" No, my husband gets the best table by use of his exquisite southern gentlemanliness. :D

But so tell us, have YOU a woman, and is she enlightened? Are you (about women, as you're obviously quite enlightened on many other topics, as I have read and enjoyed (and respect) your contributions?

eric von zipper

2003-01-09 13:20 | User Profile

Folks, those of you who have been following this epistle no doubt have developed a tremendous amount of admiration for ole EVZ because of the stoic manner in which I have endured the calumnies that one inmate at a state lunatic asylum near NYC (who will go unnamed here due to my innate good taste) has directed at me.

"lying fiend", "dopey prick", "evil" he calls me. Even though it is he who violated my request that only Avalanche proceed on and read my comments addressed to her. Suffice it to say he is the kind of person that reads other people's mail. He has broke trust with me.

This inmate or should I say client has of late developed an obsession with Lord Byron. Yes, Lord Byron, of all freakin people. This obsession is even worse than his former obsession with Nietzke. It used to be Nietzke this and Nietzke that. Now it's Byron this and Byron that. He even quotes Byron to pick up chicks, a ploy that only works for English professors at women's colleges.

As a result and in an effort to better understand him I have conducted a psychological evaluation of his posts particularly his recent ones in which the Byron obsession manifests itself. As a graduate of Sandhurst, Oxford and the Johns Hopkins Medical school I feel this is within my professional perview.

And my goal was to determine this:why Byron?

George Gordon, Lord Byron was certainly the most controversial of all his contemporaries in an era when poets were the equivalent of modern day rock stars. But everybody knows that so I'll get to the point quickly.

Byron was controversial for one reason and one reason only. And it was the scandal of the age. So infamous was Byron that any woman who got involved with him was considered - to use an archaic term - ruined - permanently and irrevecobly (sp). And the reason was one of those indelicate subjects that simply was not talked about in polite company although everybody in Europe knew of it.

George Gordon, Lord Byron was the most vocal proponent of heterosexual buggery of his time. He was, folks, a buggerer- of women and much preferred it to normal heterosexual intercourse. That is the source of his infamy.

There I've said it. We're all adults here with the possible exception of Avalanche who I suspect is a middle schooler. If she exists at all. I suspect she may be the result of delusions by a certain, shall we say, client. Think Anthony Perkins here, folks, and the Bates Motel, if you get my drift. I'm trying to keep this in laymens's terms.

Byron's proclivities were the talk of Europe circa 1800. Precious little is remembered of it nowadays EXCEPT BY LIBERALLY EDUCATED PEOPLE. Still it is a historical fact and his poems are replete with references to his scatalogical leanings.

The subject of my evaluation obviously an educated albeit adlebrained man (see caps above) is cerainly aware of Byron's sexual practices and no doubt feels an affinity towards him because, and this is crucial, he sees in Byron a kindred spirit.

An examination of his later posts are replete with references to anuses (see his cruel retort to Oliver C.) and buttocks (see above) which leads me to conclude clinically that this particular inmate is a devotee of heterosexual buggery - just like his hero Byron.

That is my clinical diagnosis.

eric von zipper

2003-01-09 14:16 | User Profile

Avalanche

Now that we're finally alone let me say that it is always a pleasure to hear from you. And, no, you don't look as much like Bacall who appealed only to unsophisticated tastes as you do the much more attractive Signoret, who was always more popular in Europe than in America. And I think that is to Simone's credit, don't you? When I was at Sandhurst and Oxford I developed an appreciation for European women that has never left me. You have a very distinctive European look that is very becoming.

Would you excuse me for a moment, Avalanche? (I do wish you had chosen a more feminine ID BTW. Addending my sweet nothings to you with Avalanche seems dissonant to my ears.)

Please excuse me while I take care of some urgent business.

OK, GEORGE, STOP EVESDROPPING AND TAKE A HIKE!!!!!!!!

I'm back now.

Do you like taking long walks in the rain?

I bet you'd be nice to take a walk in the rain with.

I like dancing in the dark even more but had to give it up because I broke my leg. Dancing in the dark can be dangerous, believe me.

Now I settle for walking in the rain.

Avalanche

2003-01-09 14:24 | User Profile

Eric:  As a graduate of Sandhurst, Oxford and the Johns Hopkins Medical school I feel this is within my professional perview. hhhmmm, so, you were confined three times? Voluntarily or involuntarily? Sorry -- just kidding Eric... I'm waiting for the coffee to kick in!

tremendous amount of admiration for ole EVZ because of the stoic manner Truly, do you think I would be admirous (is that a word?) because of your stoic manner or because you find me entrancing and interesting and think I used to look like a movie star? (She said ingenuously, fishing for more compliments!) (tee hee hee!)

**We're all adults here with the possible exception of Avalanche who I suspect is a middle schooler. If she exists at all. I suspect she may be the result of delusions by a certain, shall we say, client. ** that's for me to know and you to guess! hhmmm, well your diagnosis is certainly interesting, but shouldn't a devoted conservative merely look askance and forbear to discuss in... clinical detail... a client's proclivities? Or are we 'on rounds'? :blink:

Avalanche

2003-01-09 14:34 | User Profile

Eric: Do you like taking long walks in the rain? I bet you'd be nice to take a walk in the rain with. I like dancing in the dark even more but had to give it up because I broke my leg. Dancing in the dark can be dangerous, believe me. Now I settle for walking in the rain. Well, I DON'T like pina coladas, but I DO like dancing inthe rain! :D I also like dancing in the rain in the dark, but only on level ground (I recommend it!)

Would you excuse me for a moment, Avalanche? (I do wish you had chosen a more feminine ID BTW. Addending my sweet nothings to you with Avalanche seems dissonant to my ears.) Would it help to know that it relates, in a sort-of round-about way to my real name? And... well, you've heard the saying "as pure as the driven snow?" -- well, you don't know how far a snow can be driven... Just think of me as poised, hanging, waiting to swoop down at the right trigger and overwhelm with clean white purity (well, maybe not purity <_< exactly, but let's say a preponderance of... um... preference?)

:rolleyes: Can I not redeem the 'name' Avalanche by my mere being?

Avalanche

2003-01-09 14:42 | User Profile

George:  Since E.V.Z. came into the picture, I can't help but notice, you Absented yourself... if there's a 'you'... Talent is talent... if You are E.V.Z. then regardless if I hate him or not... he 'saved', or helped me, and so I've got to, and already have, thanked him... e.v.ZIPPER... says he's Not you... ? I have always felt that a 'name' like von zipper just HAD to be male, eh? :o I will admit to not having picked my own 'name' -- my husband, standing at the (really!) good table he'd gotten by waving his massive .45 at the maitre d', picked it out. (I'm creating a justification (see above) after the fact. Dyah remember the split brain researches that showed the testee making up reasons for 'unspeaking hemispheric' choices? That's me!)

I hope, New George, you have reassured yourself that I am NOT gone (and am NOT any of you men!!)

eric von zipper

2003-01-09 14:51 | User Profile

It looks like it's just you and me, kid.

It's really rare when I see another person on at the same time as me.

I remember that corny song too. You have a nice sense of humour.

I have to get out of here early today so don't be offended if I seem to disappear suddenly. I have to fly down to the Maryland seashore to a house I own on the beach in Ocean City. I go down there several times a month. I have a Cessna Skymaster twin engine prop that I use to run up and down the east coast. It's got a range that allows me to go from Baltimore to Myrtle beach before I have to refuel.

Hey, you'd love OC in the off season. It's a great place to take long walks with a SO, plus I have a cozy foreplace that overlooks the surf. Great for snuggling. And I'll bet you love to snuggle.

Have you ever been a bar maid?

If so, do you ask people who are ordering Gin and Tonic if they want a lime?

Avalanche

2003-01-09 15:16 | User Profile

Hey, you'd love OC in the off season. It's a great place to take long walks with a SO, plus I have a cozy fireplace that overlooks the surf. Great for snuggling. And I'll bet you love to snuggle. I do, but ONLY with my husband!! :P

so don't be offended if I seem to disappear suddenly. I have to fly down to the Maryland seashore Have a wonderful trip -- fly safely! -- and we'll continue (I almost wrote 'carry on' :o ) when you return. In the meantime, I'll continue my therapy with New George and maybe even entice il ragno to contribute more...

eric von zipper

2003-01-09 15:45 | User Profile

Aaall-righty-then.

I wish you hadn't mentioned your husband.

I think you showed very poor taste in mentioning your husband.

I was hoping he could just be like the dead elephant in the middle of the room that everyone pretends not to notice.

I bet when you are talking to someone who has bologni stuck between their teeth you say "Hey, you have bologni stuck between your teeth!"

Moving on to more pressing issues, I must say that I am hoping George responds to my clinical doagnosis before I take off today. I am very much looking forward to his response. I am hoping for something like apoplexy - whatever the hell apoplexy is. You know with a word like apoplexy that it isn't something good. That's for sure.

I think George is w/o doubt the most interesting person on this forum. Bar none. I'm not gonna say it's like watching an ongoing train wreck because thatr would be in poor taste. My motto is good taste is timeless. That is Al Goldstein's motto too. So take it for what it's worth.

George

2003-01-11 02:16 | User Profile

Poor Eric's obsession with me... alias, himself...

Avalanche... or is that "snow job"... I kid, I kid...

What a pathetic doctor... good thing Eric ain't Jewish or his mother would be pointing at him and saying... see that boy... his Brother is "George", on original dissent...

Eric ol'Son... John Hopscotch or not... I mean Hopkins, or not, if you get on the wrong train ol'sport... it makes all the wrong stops... I hear'ya... be careful of train wrecks... stay out of the medicine cabinet at the hospital, ok?

Avalache, what can you, dear, ... say about a fellow like von ZIPPER who allegedly "reads"-?- Byron, and only thinks of "buggery"??? C.Y.A.

In this case I think that may mean... Cover Your Avalache?Or Cover Your Arse? [Please don't let your husband read any of this, thanks to von ZIPPER...) If I was Mr. Avalanche... if I was King of the FAWEST!!! I'd go after that punk... and at least pistol whip'him... To Mr. Von Buggery, I say "physician, heal thyself..."

See, Avalanche got the pink booties... so all us with the little blue shoes are fighting... Thus is life... little Ms. Helen of Avalanche...

NeoNietzsche

2003-01-11 13:41 | User Profile

Originally posted by George@Jan 10 2003, 20:16 **[Please don't let your husband read any of this, thanks to von ZIPPER...] If I was Mr. Avalanche... if I was King of the FAWEST!!! I'd go after that punk... and at least pistol whip'him... **

I have quite the opposite in mind, Sir George.

Just yesterday, I told Avalanche that I'm now counting on Eric to take care of her if something happens to me.

He appears to have been taken with her, just as I was six years ago (now five years married), and he would be spared the struggle (compliments of yours truly) of socializing her and performing the White Man's task of restoring her to her race.

[BTW, Eric, this is not an invitation for "something to happen to me."]

Buster

2003-01-11 17:16 | User Profile

NeoNietzsche:

Since we're on this topic (men and women), your namesake, Frederick, once said something to this effect: "a woman whose tongue is at rest, is always best dressed."

I've heard that paraphrased but have never been able to locate the source. If you or anyone out there could help, I would be grateful.

buster

Avalanche

2003-01-11 18:24 | User Profile

Oh. I am honored and surprised and humbled! I asked NeoNietzsche if I could mention that he was my lord and master, and he said no, he'd prefer to leave it unsaid.

Forgive me, all my new friends, if I get all choked up and sappy!

Sorry Eric, now you see why I HAD to bring up my husband... repeatedly... But despite my offer to perform suttee (where's rban when you need him??) were anything untoward and fatal to happen to him, he suggests he wants me to carry on, and thus the... offer?... to Eric. (Sorry dear George, but he has made his choice, and I obey!) :rolleyes:

George

2003-01-11 21:40 | User Profile

NeoNietzsche... you seem like a great guy! Now that I've been jilted by Avalanche vis a vis, your choice of Eric the Red (isn't he...the one prior to becomming a Quack, sailing into New York Harbor... in a Viking Ship, singing: "Man to man...smoke an rban?") ... too bad we're not bi-Sexuals NeoN, you & I, (speaking for myself at least, meaning I'm not...once in terms of experimentation I tried to force it...no, no, no...No...it's either you are or you aren't, that way...was my EXPERIENCE...) or perhaps you & I might be interested in one another...

In a platonic way I seem to recall I've enjoyed your postings, as well as the one here... (but you know about Plato, don't you?) I figured I better say that here, or Eric the Scholar, would be courting Avalanche again, shortly, with news of Plato's "buggeries".

I'm saddened though, I kid not... can't you and SnowJob, work things Out? ... You know time heals wounds, or Wounds heels... are you saying Father-Mother Time (alone) has ruined your relationship... Believe me, I can stand just above the lesser & conflicting verities of the Vorld, once I've put on my Therapist's hat... wouldn't you (seriously) care to try vis a vis some Counseling w/ ol'non-Quacked-George? [OR LET me just add this too, and it's LATER about an hour or so now... in this very brackett herein, since the previous posting that preceded prior to this brackett in this very post... is it BECAUSE G-d is good, you're healed already?] If so, don't be really shocked because there's that aspect of G-d too... besides just being Terrible... OR...(heck) it's cyber... never know (of course) when the folks is Putting one on... but we learn... words is words... and sometimes they're the only tools, or worse, even the best tools we have...

NeoNietzsche

2003-01-12 03:10 | User Profile

Originally posted by Buster@Jan 11 2003, 11:16 **NeoNietzsche:

Since we're on this topic (men and women), your namesake, Frederick, once said something to this effect:  "a woman whose tongue is at rest, is always best dressed."  

I've heard that paraphrased but have never been able to locate the source.  If you or anyone out there could help, I would be grateful.

buster**

Buster:

The phrase is one which works in English but not in German.

I'm fairly confident that this is merely an imaginative attribution to Nietzsche, exaggerating his views as expressed.

Avalanche

2003-01-12 03:48 | User Profile

George:  I'm saddened though, I kid not... can't you and SnowJob, work things Out? ... You know time heals wounds, or Wounds heels... are you saying Father-Mother Time (alone) has ruined your relationship... Believe me, I can stand just above the lesser & conflicting verities of the Vorld, once I've put on my Therapist's hat... wouldn't you (seriously) care to try vis a vis some Counseling w/ ol'non-Quacked-George? :) I say there, Dr. George, you seem to have missed the point. There is nothing ruined, merely an... insurance plan... in the event of something dreadful occuring to NeoNietzsche -- as the kind and wise man he is, he is "ensuring" that I have a future protector lined up (or not... Eric having not yet been consulted! tee hee hee!)

Counseling is unnecessary -- OH! Or was this just an attempt to get me to lie down on your couch?!!! :blink:

**Eric the Scholar, would be courting Avalanche again, shortly, with news of Plato's "buggeries". ** Somehow, that just doesn't have the... romance... of say, quoting someone's POETRY! I mean, I've not particular memory of any of Byron's... proclivities! (And I've even less knowledge of Plato.)

eric von zipper

2003-01-13 13:14 | User Profile

When I was at Eton I learned to judge a man by the cut of his seersuckers or by the crystal in which he served dubonnet. As a gentleman of the old school, an Etonian who still affects the old school tie, not to mention the collar, I find myself at odds, a bit adrift from the anchor rode, nautically speaking, when dealing with anonymities cyber space-icly.

I feel that I have been the victim of a too clever by half hoax. Mother warned me that one day my trusting nature would allow me to be compromised by the sort of people who would never be permitted to enter my club unless it were thru the service door. She feared I would fall in with a bad crowd. Mother was right. Mother is always right.

This insouciant George, for instance. He reminds me of a boy I knew at Eton. He came down from Winchester I think it was. Yes, it was Winchester. And he was dressed inappropriately. I immediately reprimanded him in a stern voice and instructed him on matters of decorum that would stand him in good stead with his fellows. But still the reprobate backslid. He wouldn't listen to his betters. Finally I had no choice but to take a hickory stick to him. Just so. After that I had no trouble with the lad.

George is the sort of chap that Mountbatten was-before he got blown to bits. He would never listen either. I told him not to let his wife alone with that Wog Nehru. I told him not to trust her. Of course it was a given that Nehru wasn't to be trusted. Mountbatten, alas, was a born cuckhold. I always told the twit never to quote Byron because educated people would assume he was a bugger, too. But, no, off he went quoting Byron. He even quoted Byron to Monty once and there was nothing Monty hated more than buggers, except for Americans of course.

I would very much like to take a hickory stick to George to knock some sense into the boy. There may be something salvageable there yet. Just like the Queen Mary.

As for the woman who calls herself Avalanche and her purported husband Neo Something, they remind me of my old bridge opponents, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Wallace was always taking young lovers and the Duke pretended not to notice what was going on under his very nose. Indeed it would have been in poor taste to notice-being British. But still there was always the aroma of tainted cheese about them.

This woman Avalanche has a definite European look as I remarked upon early on. I suspect that she IS a European and thus is very sophisticated when it comes to taking lovers.

Young George, I am stepping aside and giving you a clear field for your reconnaissance of Avalanche. Some people like their cheese a bit tainted and I suspect you are one of them.

Walter Yannis

2003-01-13 13:51 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 13 2003, 13:14 ** When I was at Eton . . . **

What's the inside scoop on buggary in the British upper-crusty school system?

Is it really as rampant as they say, or is that just some media fag's fantasy?

Did you pass through that terrible right of passage?

Walter

NeoNietzsche

2003-01-13 13:59 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 13 2003, 07:14 **When I was at Eton I learned to judge a man by the cut of his seersuckers or by the crystal in which he served dubonnet. As a gentleman of the old school, an Etonian who still affects the old school tie, not to mention the collar, I find myself at odds, a bit adrift from the anchor rode, nautically speaking, when dealing with anonymities cyber space-icly.

I feel that I have been the victim of a too clever by half hoax. Mother warned me that one day my trusting nature would allow me to be compromised by the sort of people who would never be permitted to enter my club unless it were thru the service door. She feared I would fall in with a bad crowd. Mother was right. Mother is always right.**

Let me guess: Roddy McDowell! Right?

Avalanche

2003-01-13 14:34 | User Profile

**Eric: This woman Avalanche has a definite European look as I remarked upon early on. I suspect that she IS a European and thus is very sophisticated when it comes to taking lovers.

Young George, I am stepping aside and giving you a clear field for your reconnaissance of Avalanche. Some people like their cheese a bit tainted and I suspect you are one of them.* On the contrary, when I found that men, in general, were shts (and what feminist doesn't believe THAT?) I took a 10-yr celibacy vow, intending that I would avoid... entanglements of the heart (and body)... until I could figure out if it were possible that there existed a man who was a "real" man, who took care and notice of his woman and didn't expect or want a mommy. I had, reluctantly, decided that I was going to end my life (as in, live out my days) sans male company except as friends, because there were no men I found whom I would consider acceptable until NeoN. showed up and convinced me.

I am offended that you would go from being a gentleman, to the extent you were, to ... handing me off with a slam-assumption about the care I take of my person!! Shame on you for (apparently) being a British weenie (and no gentleman) after all!!

eric von zipper

2003-01-13 14:56 | User Profile

On the contrary, when I found that men, in general, were sh*ts (and what feminist doesn't believe THAT?) I took a 10-yr celibacy vow, intending that I would avoid

Good God, woman, when I read the tripe that passes for intelligent discourse amongst females in America I raise a gin and tonic towards the east in the general direction of France and give thanks that Cornwallis had the French fleet bottle him up in that fetid little mill pond you colonials call the Chesapeake.

The worst kept secret on the planet is that American women are so unhappy because they can't get properly shagged. It is a geographical fact that Madonna had to relocate to England to get properly sodded.

If, as I suspect, Madam Avalanch, you are roiling the once peaceful waters of OD in order to dredge up a paramour,may I respectfully suggest you throw the flounder like poseur George back overboard, he's not a keeper.

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-13 15:43 | User Profile

**The worst kept secret on the planet is that American women are so unhappy because they can't get properly shagged. It is a geographical fact that Madonna had to relocate to England to get properly sodded. **

Maybe you should try to invade again. We'll ask the French not to help. I can just see it

"Help! a battalion of pasty-skinned skinny dudes with bad teeth are coming!! Hide our women!!"

eric von zipper

2003-01-13 16:06 | User Profile

"Maybe you should try to invade again."

The Brits DID invade again in 1964. We sent over the lower class deformed specimans that used to hang about Whitechapel smoking clay pipes and begging for doss money. All it took was shampoo and a guitar.

Those frustrated American girls were literally begging them for a good Brit style shagging.

I saw them on the telly.

Look what they did to poor Mick Jagger and that nice Keith Richard.

Have you seen them lately?

That's what American women do to Brit men!

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-13 16:29 | User Profile

We sent over the lower class deformed specimans

That's all that you guys have left after losing your races' virility by stupidly getting into two wars with a more advanced culture. By your strategy of taking 5 losses to kill 3 Germans, you were only left with specimens which create so much sympathy that they can, on occasion seduce some of our loose women. Your example of Madonna was honest of you, and I tip my hat. Wallace Simpson was another.

Buster

2003-01-13 18:54 | User Profile

[QUOTE=eric von zipper,Jan 13 2003, 08:56 ] [QUOTE] The worst kept secret on the planet is that American women are so unhappy because they can't get properly shagged. It is a geographical fact that Madonna had to relocate to England to get properly sodded.

[/QUOTE] But remember, she came back to California when she needed a decent, modern hospital in which to have her baby. When she ended up with a preemie, that decision probably saved her little boy's life.

Smart girl. Vulgar but smart.

Avalanche

2003-01-13 20:11 | User Profile

If, as I suspect, Madam Avalanch, you are roiling the once peaceful waters of OD in order to dredge up a paramour, may I respectfully suggest you throw the flounder like poseur George back overboard, he's not a keeper. Did y'all ever notice that it seems as if Eric's main focus is putting down George? Even when he's tryin' to slap at ME, he still manages to throw in a little nasty for George...

I assure you Eric pull-up-yer-zipper, <_< I am NOT looking for a paramour! George may not be entirely coherent (although he is doing WAY better lately!) but he's enough of a gentleman NOT to slap a woman! (Enough of a man, even -- only boys slap women!)

**Good God, woman, when I read the tripe that passes for intelligent discourse amongst females in America... ** Oh, and when you read the tripe that passes for "intelligent discourse" among most men, do you find a higher quality? Perhaps on this list, (as seems true also for the WOMEN on this list) the quality is much higher than in the mumbling masses...
But do you assume, on the basis of conversations with the damaged and distorted women in this country, that ALL women are incapable of intelligent conversation? Including the French women you seemingly admire? (Or is it just they are of... casual morals... and that appeals to your boyish (since it's not manly) libido?)

eric von zipper

2003-01-14 19:35 | User Profile

As a friend of America it grieves me to witness it's current state of affairs. It's like watching a young relative who has finally reached adulthood fritter away his patrimony on silly self destuctive things.

It is truly a pity that you were gulled into seeking independance from good King George. All he ever wanted was recompense for the expenses incurred ridding the colonies of the French and their allies, those ghastly Indians, I think you call them somewhat affectionately. Good God, what a state of affairs it was. All those naked savages running around seeking to copulate with white women. It must have been quite like living in a Christine Aguillera video. But Good King George took the time out from fighting the French on the continent to rid the colonies of them, then after paying in English blood was told by the insufferable colonists to also pay for it in sterling silver.

What Gall! What ingrates!

America's troubles are manifest. Many learned men debate the circumstances that have brought a once proud nation to its present state of dissipation and debauchery.

I have joined the ranks of the TMFB* school of thought pertaining to the American decline. The Civil War was America's 2nd greatest tragedy, after, of course, the Great Tragedy of winning independance. But surely, after 150 years, the effects of that monumantal error in judgement should have ameliorated. Without an aristocracy, a British aristocracy, America just floats around aimlessly between the Pacific and Atlantic like a big turd in the punchbowl at the senior prom.

It is time for another gin and tonic, so let me conclude by saying to all my poor relations in the colonies who have made Sam Walton a billionaire that all could be righted and your ship of state put back on its proper course if you could only overcome your TMFB problem. And until you solve it, none of your other myriad problems such as multiculturalism, the negro problem, the drug culture, Allen Dershowitz et al even matter. For TMFB is the termite that eats at the heart of oak of the American dream.

*Too Many Fat Broads

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-15 01:53 | User Profile

But if we join up with Albion again, will we have to give up our guns and abolish the death penalty? Will we have to have an established church run by a bunch of faggots? Will we have to double our taxes? Will our women have to get flabby butts?

Come on, admit it. You'd love to become our 51st state.

It's just that we don't want you.

medieval

2003-01-15 02:58 | User Profile

Originally posted by eric von zipper@Jan 14 2003, 13:35 ** *Too Many Fat Broads **

Its true. I walk every night, and have recently lost some weight. I have never been very large, but still, the extra weight was uncomfortable. When I went to the mall yesterday, I coulnd't help but notice how many people are overweight. Men and women! It really is sad. To discipline your mind and soul you must first disciplne the body. Apparently, most people would rather just eat whatever and not exercise.

darkeddy

2003-01-15 03:04 | User Profile

If the elites will not allow the people a voice, does there come a time to make some true 'rivers of blood'? Not of non-whites, but of white leftists who subvert democracy.

PS Personally, I think our problem is TMBB: Too Many Bleached Blondes. But, hey, at least it doesn't rain here all the time.

Avalanche

2003-01-15 04:46 | User Profile

Oliver Cromwell:  Will we have to have an established church run by a bunch of faggots?

Oh, wait. We already do!!! :rolleyes:

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-15 15:16 | User Profile

That is somewhat true, and large scale Latin American boarder crossing just increases the power of the Catholic Church. But at least our leaders aren't required to recognise any special status or anything.

eric von zipper

2003-01-15 15:48 | User Profile

"That is somewhat true, and large scale Latin American boarder crossing just increases the power of the Catholic Church.

You can't be serious.

The Church has zero, zilch, nada power in America.

They are the left's favorite whipping boy, hated even more than the neanderthal protestant preachers with their hysterical over coiffed wives you have to flip past when you're channel surfing. And the protestants are too busy sucking up to the jews who return their boot licking with undisguised contempt to recognize their shared interests and traditions with Catholics, their natural allies.

If the Church had any power we wouldn't have been treated to the last years worth of daily revelations about which priest fondled what alter boy 30 years ago.

Look to who is immune to criticism in the media to see who wields the power.

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-15 15:50 | User Profile

**Look to who is immune to criticism in the media to see who wields the power. **

Jews and American women are a real combo!

George

2003-01-18 04:25 | User Profile

Here's what's missing... and what's a bit new in all of these communications in cyber... our physical selves... people in near proximity who are more or less consorting with one another... that physical presence, changes Actual communication, what's being felt and so inevitably influences to some degree what's being thought, and how we then are at least influenced, or inclined to behave... Occasionally though something real comes through in cyber, like a physical Presence... (oh, my gosh it's, isn't it Hamlet's deceased father...) Shakespeare pleases Avalanche so let's have it then... and also Avalanche... the Woman, appearing, from out of nowhere... (oh, my gosh, it's, isn't it... Woman, an Actual one... ?) It's interesting to me, that only an Actual one... can both kick & inspire me... whether she be female or a Shakespearean actor... In cyber, who knows, and, who cares...

I agree with you Avalanche--for an Actual Woman, INSURANCE is good... and I acknowledge there is nothing amiss regarding yours & NeoNeitzsche's relationship... Nor am I enamoured of you myself... once an old dog like me... long ago inevitably separated emotionally from his mummy... I can admire a woman, without the warm fuzzies... or if I choose with the warm fuzzies... (sex) without falling in love...

However I'll be more honest than that, like schit happens (fortunately)... so does falling in love HAPPEN, whether the fellow has separated emotionally from Mum... or not... But NEVER in cyber... that's ludicrous at least to me... CYBER to me is a very good Joke... by that I mean it's a Clean, not a dirty joke... and of course in its own way it edifies, sometimes astonishingly, but usually it's insipid... This said more for Eric's benefit (i.e. the wuv story), not for Avalanche's... she's a teacher, again, where I'm concerned...

She has demonstrated, it occurs to me, her ability to learn... there's an old saying, unique to all cultures...

"I Learn Therefore I Teach" ... so it's important too to teach... Thanks Avalanche, you ARE a delight...

Avalanche

2003-01-18 05:24 | User Profile

George:  so does falling in love HAPPEN, whether the fellow has separated emotionally from Mum... or not... But NEVER in cyber... that's ludicrous at least to me... CYBER to me is a very good Joke.

Oh, dear George... Once again, I have to gently turn you from your misperception... Cyber love DOES happen. Maybe only when it's pre-ordained by Aphrodite, (or would that be Hera, since it resulted in marriage and home?).

I MET NeoNietzsche on the Stevie Ray Vaughan mailing list.... (absolute guitar GOD!). We began discussing Stevie and his older brother, then mama's boys and father's sons (Neo is entirely the later, and we decided, our society is creating mainly mama's boys, who want, above all, to be loved by mommy -- and women who aren't willing to become their man's mommy -- hence the difficulty in finding 'the right one.' (I was in Washingtron state, He in GA -- we would NOT have met, but for cyber!)

Truly, cyber love requires openness and honesty (after all, what's the POINT of lying to someone -- eventually you'll meet and all the lies come out-- Joe Millionaire anyone?! <_< ). But we met as friends, and.... well, at the risk of gushing -- we were destined to be together, and Stevie Ray is the patron saint of our marriage!

And, I always caution folks, it must be from shared interests -- just hanging out in chat rooms is no more successful than hanging out in bars! Less so, probably, because the entire body language metacommunication is missing.

And we DID have a BIG (cyber) misunderstanding and blow-up when I was reacting (strongly and badly) to a mild question about how I looked, and, at my strong request that he treat me as a FRIEND, not a woman, that was when Neo kind of blew up back that he found me completely feminine in how I wrote and phrased things and reacted -- and to ask him to ignore that was to ask him to ignore his own manhood, which naturally responded to my femininity. But we also had a real strong desire to figure out WHY we were so strongly interested in what the other had to say, so we worked through it.

And obviously, it required Neo to make VERY clear to feminist, partly liberal me that HE was an anti-modernist Nietzschean... But we've just passed our 5-yr anniversary (together for 6 years). So, cyber love IS real, it IS possible, but it's fraught with many dangers and difficulties -- and would seemingly rely on the willingness to be honest in a way many people won't be.

Oh, and thank you for the Shakepeare! He's the best! :)

Avalanche

2003-01-18 05:38 | User Profile

Where's Brother Love when you need him?!

Oliver Cromwell

2003-01-19 12:01 | User Profile

From a Christian perspective, marriage is the only form of communism that works. We're at 17 years now, with 7 kids.

Avalanche

2003-01-19 15:28 | User Profile

Oliver:  We're at 17 years now, with 7 kids. Congrats! That's a very impressive achievement! Esp. in today's society!

George

2003-01-20 00:57 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 18 2003, 05:24 ** > George:  so does falling in love HAPPEN, whether the fellow has separated emotionally from Mum... or not... But NEVER in cyber... that's ludicrous at least to me... CYBER to me is a very good Joke.

Oh, dear George... Once again, I have to gently turn you from your misperception... Cyber love DOES happen. Maybe only when it's pre-ordained by Aphrodite, (or would that be Hera, since it resulted in marriage and home?).

I MET NeoNietzsche on the Stevie Ray Vaughan mailing list.... (absolute guitar GOD!). We began discussing Stevie and his older brother, then mama's boys and father's sons (Neo is entirely the later, and we decided, our society is creating mainly mama's boys, who want, above all, to be loved by mommy -- and women who aren't willing to become their man's mommy -- hence the difficulty in finding 'the right one.' (I was in Washingtron state, He in GA -- we would NOT have met, but for cyber!)

Truly, cyber love requires openness and honesty (after all, what's the POINT of lying to someone -- eventually you'll meet and all the lies come out-- Joe Millionaire anyone?! <_< ). But we met as friends, and.... well, at the risk of gushing -- we were destined to be together, and Stevie Ray is the patron saint of our marriage!

And, I always caution folks, it must be from shared interests -- just hanging out in chat rooms is no more successful than hanging out in bars! Less so, probably, because the entire body language metacommunication is missing.

And we DID have a BIG (cyber) misunderstanding and blow-up when I was reacting (strongly and badly) to a mild question about how I looked, and, at my strong request that he treat me as a FRIEND, not a woman, that was when Neo kind of blew up back that he found me completely feminine in how I wrote and phrased things and reacted -- and to ask him to ignore that was to ask him to ignore his own manhood, which naturally responded to my femininity. But we also had a real strong desire to figure out WHY we were so strongly interested in what the other had to say, so we worked through it.

And obviously, it required Neo to make VERY clear to feminist, partly liberal me that HE was an anti-modernist Nietzschean... But we've just passed our 5-yr anniversary (together for 6 years). So, cyber love IS real, it IS possible, but it's fraught with many dangers and difficulties -- and would seemingly rely on the willingness to be honest in a way many people won't be.

Oh, and thank you for the Shakepeare! He's the best! :) **

Wow... seriously... you're (& NeoNietzsche, in relation) the Tops... you're the Mona Lisa... plus you're so warm & real apparently like NeoN... it shinned & glowed thru CYBER... congrats all, even You Oliver Cromwell... this post of yours Avalanche is so accurate & brilliant... (of course I could have told you or NeoN that too, except you didn't need me to, which is even BETTER...)

Seriously what folks like you are you saying... cyber can be More than a good joke??? SHOULD it be, more than that? I don't know... Frankly speaking it doesn't DO much for me... to me (perhaps I'm jaded) it's like another Duck you know, trying to get Away via "flight"... PULL... and down goes duck... and there's my dinner...

Perhaps it's just me... when I'm sober, thanks to Avalanche, like now (I'm Awful)... when I'm drunk... like Then, recently & prior, I'm what-?-Pathetic...

Funny thing may be, I'm happy Either way... I don't even have to "pursue" it... I, perhaps may be the most self-contained, primarily Happy, misanthrope in History???

I even like, wow, probably even prefer, you people... well, sort of?? Avalanche has spoken: more POWER to cyber...

Avalanche

2003-01-25 23:40 | User Profile

**Dear George:  Seriously what folks like you are you saying... cyber can be More than a good joke??? SHOULD it be, more than that? I don't know... Frankly speaking it doesn't DO much for me... to me (perhaps I'm jaded) ** I'm reminded of a learning I had in a 'how to use your video camera' class I took years ago... I was a really successful student, because as I was videoing... whatever... say, a tour of my garden -- I was always cognizent of the eventual 'viewer,' and that's who I spoke to on the tape -- just as if I were leading them personally (i.e., IN person) on the tour. Where other students in the class were all tongue-tied and seemed unable to figure out what to say on tape. It was easy for me, and I'd suggest it could be or become easier for you, to 'speak' to the person at the other end of the...lens (or keyboard).

When I am writing to you-all, I am 'speaking' as if I were speaking TO you... Cyber works best if you 'see' the person at the other end...

Funny thing may be, I'm happy Either way... I don't even have to "pursue" it... I, perhaps may be the most self-contained, primarily Happy, misanthrope in History??? I even like, wow, probably even prefer, you people... well, sort of?? Avalanche has spoken: more POWER to cyber... Well, there is a LOT to be said for a self-selected group of folks! So much better than a cocktail party, because the folks who ARE here, want to be HERE specifically, and probably have something interesting to talk about with the other "attendees." No one here is likely to start yakking about restoring old cars or Rhodesian Ridgebacks.... So, it starts OUT as a congenial group with shared interests to discuss!

I've made friends whom I've later met in 'real' life (beyond NeoN, the most successful! :D -- I met a friend on a tai chi list, and later met him and his wife for some tai chi.

Leveller

2003-01-26 07:56 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 18 2003, 05:24 ...the Stevie Ray Vaughan mailing list....  (absolute guitar GOD!)...

Absolutely. :)

George

2003-01-31 05:37 | User Profile

I know "Super" and all of that... Avalanche... et al. But I'm still a Misanthrope... vhat are you "nuts", don't you get it?

You might wish or (not) wish to study the above, it's 'like' a semitic haiku? However I wish not to be (no, don't get your hopes up, it doesn't end with 'not to be') but rather not to be 'misanthropic'... Even as a misanthrope, I'm harmless, no? Except for food fights? Sadly, I don't play the guitar... (to my knowledge).

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Otherwise it's all worthless... what, no fun??????

I'm trying not to be (no don't get your hopes up) an egoist Or an egotist... what's left-?- (rban?)

Avalanche

2003-01-31 05:57 | User Profile

Even as a misanthrope, I'm harmless, no? No dear heart, you're not harmless -- you're harming YOURSELF!!

There must be a balance (moderation in all things, including in moderation!) between the hopelessness of the vast majority of folks -- they REALLY ARE pretty stupid and hopeless -- and the bright shining joy of the few intelligent, articulate, interested and interesting few that one sometimes meets (such as here!) By spending emotional currency on the hopeless masses, one comes to feel that ALL is hopeless... But focus your energy and attention on the wonderful few, and realize that proportionally, more of THEM will survive the coming destruction than the masses! :lol: ;)

On the other hand, I recognize and salute the... grimness... that accompanies a 'real' man in his awareness of these things... It's one of those lovely gender-linked things -- (you'll be pleased to know you share it with NeoNietzsche). My feeling has always been: the world is DEFINITELY going to hell in a handbasket, but I can't stop it, so I might as well dance! And so I revel in the sun and the trees and the pretty breeze and the birdies on the feeder in the back yard. And LOOK! the grass is GREEN! As a female, it is easier (albeit, not easy) for me to drop responsibility for "the world" -- I can't fix it, I can't change it, I can't MAKE all those people smarter, so I just throw away the depressing and grim truth!

Men, it seems (MEN, that is, not boys of any age!), are not able to drop the burden, because AS men, it is incumbent on them to want, to try, to NEED to fix things. And things that are not fixable are... gray making. So, try for some moderation -- although MOST people are not what we might hope, SOME are! Try to focus on those who ARE worth the emotional currency, and you may find value! :D

George

2003-01-31 06:13 | User Profile

Avalanche... help me here if you're of a mind to... and even if not... where's... on what thread the "CBS" article...

I'll tell you this... if this site is censored by ANYONE... for WHATEVER purpose... it has my DAMN & Curse... I CAN'T hurt myself... so when ANYONE (and this doesn't bode well for an 'Avalanche') tells me so... "as if" that could happen... there's a LIE... (I may have to 'possibly' call upon the purer, more intelligent, as a matter of Fact... and now, preferred likes of Others) if this doesn't get rectified.

Avalanche

2003-01-31 14:12 | User Profile

Musical Chairs.... :D

** Avalanche... help me here if you're of a mind to... and even if not... where's... on what thread the "CBS" article...

I'll tell you this... if this site is censored by ANYONE... for WHATEVER purpose** They keep moving threads around from one place to another... Use the search engine to find an article, cause it's probably still HERE, just moved away from where it was...

George

2003-02-01 05:09 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Jan 31 2003, 14:12 ** Musical Chairs.... :D ** Avalanche... help me here if you're of a mind to... and even if not... where's... on what thread the "CBS" article...

I'll tell you this... if this site is censored by ANYONE... for WHATEVER purpose** They keep moving threads around from one place to another... Use the search engine to find an article, cause it's probably still HERE, just moved away from where it was... **

Ms. Avalanche... thanks for the tip... I found it...

I was, almost completely incoherent yesterday, wasn't I, even though sober... Except for your sober help... What would dopey bas--rd- do without Vomen? what vould women do without men?

Your're a gentleWoman & a scholar! I'm in my 'nice' mood. My estrogen levels must be too high at the moment?

Avalanche

2003-02-01 05:35 | User Profile

Variable George:  Your're a gentleWoman & a scholar! I'm in my 'nice' mood. My estrogen levels must be too high at the moment? Thanks you. Actually, a gentleman is 'nice' all the time... Self control is a hallmark of adult manhood. Go read my (brief) comments on application of appropriate violence -- the thread is in Politics: "Facts about Lieberman's Orthodoxy, The tribe is poised to finish the job..."

(And yes, you were quite incoherent yesterday... I was even thinking of writing to you to see if you could add some.. substance... to your messages! :D )

George

2003-02-01 07:00 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 1 2003, 05:35 ** > Variable George:  Your're a gentleWoman & a scholar! I'm in my 'nice' mood. My estrogen levels must be too high at the moment? Thanks you. Actually, a gentleman is 'nice' all the time... Self control is a hallmark of adult manhood. Go read my (brief) comments on application of appropriate violence -- the thread is in Politics: "Facts about Lieberman's Orthodoxy, The tribe is poised to finish the job..."

(And yes, you were quite incoherent yesterday... I was even thinking of writing to you to see if you could add some.. substance... to your messages! :D ) **

SUBSTANCE?

The 'devil' is in the details... only broads REALLY need to know those, so I both understand & appreciate, your natural predisposition... ALSO a 'gentleman' as you suggested Isn't nice ALL the time... only when Appropriate. Of course he NEVER hits a woman... (although I've been hit plenty of times by females, with pans, loafs of bread etc., and the worst I ever did was push a woman--after she slammed me with a pan--onto a plushy carpeted livingroom rug....Gosh wasn't she Shocked, and sitting there on the rug, looking shocked, I said, 'sh-t what about the damn-Pan against my head'...fortunately it was aluminum...but from the blind side... from the blind side that can cause a Reaction...)

As for details (or substance)... it's why I'm often confused for the 'devil'... I love them, details... (so much room, for maneuvering...)

Don't sweat it Avalanche, you're cool... As for details on site... vhat are you 'crazy'... or playing me? I kid... you're apparently a breath of (sort of) fresh air... no details on line, I'm sorry...

You remind of Joan Rivers, my favorite female comic... I saw a tape of her first or one of her first visits on the Johnny Carson Show... and she said looking out at six million people: "Can we talk here?"

George

2003-02-08 22:20 | User Profile

So-?-Can we talk here?

Avalanche

2003-02-09 01:32 | User Profile

'bout what? :D

No one but you and I seem interested anymore in Men vs. Women... Guess they'll all either happily married or bachelors who only want big breasts... OOPS! Did I say that?! :P ;)

George

2003-02-11 21:29 | User Profile

Originally posted by Avalanche@Feb 9 2003, 01:32 ** 'bout what? :D

No one but you and I seem interested anymore in Men vs. Women... Guess they'll all either happily married or bachelors who only want big breasts... OOPS! Did I say that?! :P ;) **

And bless'ya for sayin'it dear... on so many levels... Just the thought of'em... made me feel a little better (if that's possible?)

Again though long as they're real, you know? I don't want a real live plastic blow up 'female'... if so, why not the inanimate version... less talking and so on... You just have ta'fill her with your own hot air... (not Corning's contrivances) and there she Be...

No... that's no good, that's worse, I bet... butt, why do vomen vant to have a 'boob' job? I've never had a penis, job... do those work too? LOOK at this sweetie, it's like a baseball bat... is this what you've always WANTED??? Who knows I could find WATER with this thing... it's leading me around, it might even be a divining rod, honey... we're IN THE MONEY????? Oh, my g-d, there's water over there...let's GO!!! Can your boobs, do d'hat??

Did I say this??

Texas Dissident

2004-01-10 19:50 | User Profile

This one, Avalanche?

Avalanche

2004-01-11 03:16 | User Profile

Yes Tex, Thanks so much!! :heart:

(I was racking my brain trying to come up with some of the words in it to search by, and couldn't quite remember the title or anything... it's that incipient alzheimers --or-- have you been reading -- our increasing Alzheimers might just be Creutzfeld-Jakov Disease -- you know, the human version of Mad Cow disease?)

Anyway -- I suppose most folks here now don't even remember Neo -- he's spending what little time he has online at an actual Nietzsche list trying to bring enlightenment to the young. But the thread on miscegenation (to which I added my now non-liberated female viewpoint), reminded me of all this stuff...

Texas Dissident

2004-01-11 09:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Avalanche]Yes Tex, Thanks so much!!

You're welcome.

Anyway -- I suppose most folks here now don't even remember Neo [/QUOTE]

Who?

:)