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il ragno [OP]

2002-12-19 10:40 | User Profile

Repeat after me: there's nothing we can do about the brown foamy tide of ilegal mestizos swarming past our border. It would be unfeasible, prohibitively expensive, counterproductive to the "American proposition", and just plain wrong.

There are only two flavors of 'nier' left on Earth, as far as the Podhoretzim are concerned: Sand and White**.

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Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif. Wed December 18, 2002 08:47 PM ET By Jill Serjeant

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.

Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.

The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."

A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department spokesman could not be reached for comment.

The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.

"I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.

JAILS OVERFLOWING

One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.

"It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.

Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.

Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.

"We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.

CALLS FOR HELP

Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.

INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.

Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.

"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

"My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."

MadScienceType

2002-12-19 16:02 | User Profile

"Happy Chanukkah, camel jockey!" says Uncle Schmuel.

Seriously, though. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

One thing for the dusky peoples of the middle east and other minorities falling along the noxious scale is that they at least have a sense of community that whites of course sorely lack. With communuity comes networking and communication. I'll bet that word of this is going to be topic number one in most mosques across the country by this time tomorrow. I'll also wager when the next call goes out to "just come in for some routine questions and registration" in, say, Detroit (large muslim population there), there's going to be less than 1% compliance.

So they caught up to 1000 "potential terrorists" but made probably millions of muslims more sympathetic to terrorists in general. Maybe that was the idea. After all, if we really want to get the great American Couch Potato to open his wallet and put his kids in uniform, I think we're gonna need a higher body count, this time in the heartland.

Suicide bombers: coming soon to a mall near you.

Meanwhile, the tide from our southern septic tank continues unabated. The Arizona Civil Homeland Defense Corp will no doubt be arrested one by one, as soon as the infiltrators in the organization can turn over the membership list. They may wait until one of the Corp's arrestees complains of civil rights violations to give them a little righteous cover, but that shouldn't take very long, knowing the doe-eyed innocents that are simply coming here for a better life, but who really love America, if only it weren't for those nasty, scary xenophobes, etc., etc.

Hereward

2002-12-19 19:48 | User Profile

**So they caught up to 1000 "potential terrorists" but made probably millions of muslims more sympathetic to terrorists in general. **

And rounding up Mexican illegals wholesale and shipping them back may cause rioting in the streets of LA. That's no reason not to do either. If locking up and shipping out Muslims who are here illegal is enough to provoke the Muslim community in America into setting off suicide bombs in American malls - what does that say about the Muslim community? Nothing that the Muslim communities large enough to get cheeky - in Scandinavia, France, and Britain - haven't been proving this past generation. Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization. And one doesn't have to be sympathetic to Jews in general or Zionism in particular to see that. Muslims are subversive and passive-aggressive when a weak minority and brutal when they gain the upper hand: rather like another group of Semitic monotheists I could mention.

xmetalhead

2002-12-19 21:20 | User Profile

Fellas, itz beginning with Muslims, it ends with White man.

MadScienceType

2002-12-20 17:55 | User Profile

Muslims are subversive and passive-aggressive when a weak minority and brutal when they gain the upper hand: rather like another group of Semitic monotheists I could mention.

This is very true, so let me clarify.

I have no particular sentiments for the Muslim community in this country or internationally. Somtimes, anti-Zionism can fall prey to the "enemy of my enemy must be my friend" syndrome when history shows this isn't necessarily the case. That being said, I think it's the height of stupidity to first import a hostile, alien minority into the country, and then poke them with a pointy sticks. I guess I'm saying that these measures are far too little, far too late. Your point about rioting Mexicans is well taken, but I see it as a matter of antagonizing already-unstable and hostile populations and then not being prepared for the blowback or to do what is necessary afterwards. I don't think that roundups will be a direct incitement for "Muslim-Americans" to strap on a dynamite corset. I think that's going to happen regardless. But, I think it will make this already sullen and uncooperative minority more of both.

I really couldn't care a fig what Muslims or Jews do in their own little desert paradises, my point is that we've imported a millenia-old conflict to this land, blatantly took sides, now we are antagonizing one side both here and abroad and spending American blood and treasure in a conflict that is assuredly not ours. My problem is that we are making it ours for no sane reason I can see.

I'll start believing they are serious about security when there is a closing of the border (or at least a real attempt at such), a moratorium on immigration, and they send out notices to Muslims and Israeli "art students" in this country who've overstayed their welcome to come down and get registered.

Why the hell are they here in the first place?!?

Sisyfos

2002-12-21 04:16 | User Profile

MadScienceType Posted on Dec 20 2002, 11:55

**I'll start believing they are serious about security when there is a closing of the border (or at least a real attempt at such), a moratorium on immigration, and they send out notices to Muslims and Israeli "art students" in this country who've overstayed their welcome to come down and get registered. **

Yes, but it has never been about homeland security. The war against Iraq will proceed unabated, though a second 9/11 to induce the requisite motivation within the populace would doubtless simplify things. It has been a war of global public opinion for while now, and another wreckage filled with corpses would generate more enthusiasm on the world stage than mere whining about some “material breach” concerning an arms dossier (a document that no nation claiming sovereignty should ever have to submit to begin with). Should something happen (whether by design or otherwise), the round up of a few rag-heads in California will remind the soccer moms that their government did all it could.

Regarding the invasion of the Southwest, I view talks of mud “moratoriums” as a complete waste of time -- even when politicians who fancy they mean what they say do the yapping. The sheer number of mestizos in the border-states precludes all meaningful solutions short of barbwire and machine gun nests. We are talking about a distinct population group that has passed the 40% mark and is growing rapidly. Many hold jobs as politicians, immigration lawyers and border guards, with the majority probably harbouring some Aztlan sentiments.

It is better that this is occurring in one defined area as opposed to the inner city bargain that the rest of the country endures. The polarization becomes obvious for even the most dimwitted among us. At last a meaningful and more honest state versus state comparisons can be made, and California’s fiscal debacle, for example, can be placed in the proper perspective. Whites can retreat and watch the subdued states become new territories of Mexico; they can stay and play at mutliculti, and watch the same process albeit at a slower pace because the remaining tax producing livestock will doubtless hinder progress; or they can fight and partake in a Civil War II scenario. Note that even this last option does not guarantee that this continent will not go the way of Brazil. Only draconian measures by race-conscious whites can prevent that.

Roy Batty

2002-12-21 05:19 | User Profile

Originally posted by Sisyfos@Dec 21 2002, 04:16 ** ... Note that even this last option does not guarantee that this continent will not go the way of Brazil. Only draconian measures by race-conscious whites can prevent that. **

There is no doubt in my mind we will live to see whites take those measures - after a bitter process of "self awakening" for the whites that remain after ZOG's big end around to finish what they hope is their final clean up.

Il Rag - this has been all over the tube out here in LA for the last couple of days - delivered in standard ZOGspeak, of course. This may have been a bad play on the part of the chosenites and their lackeys, as I've heard dozens of people remarking on the government's ability to lock up Middle Easterners lickety split, but ignoring the illegal mestizos that are on every street corner in the town. Surprising reactions from people I assumed were completely blind/brainwashed to the whole situation. Some of them were even commenting on the US doing this as a show to "... get ready for war," and to curry favor with everyone's favorite sh*tty little country. I was amazed when one usually politically silent fella remarked a big part of this was to "... kiss Israel's ass, because the jews run the boob tube."

N.B. Forrest

2002-12-21 10:08 | User Profile

Originally posted by Roy Batty@Dec 21 2002, 05:19 ** This may have been a bad play on the part of the chosenites and their lackeys, as I've heard dozens of people remarking on the government's ability to lock up Middle Easterners lickety split, but ignoring the illegal mestizos that are on every street corner in the town. Surprising reactions from people I assumed were completely blind/brainwashed to the whole situation. Some of them were even commenting on the US doing this as a show to "... get ready for war," and to curry favor with everyone's favorite sh*tty little country. I was amazed when one usually politically silent fella remarked a big part of this was to "... kiss Israel's ass, because the jews run the boob tube." **

I myself was pleasantly surprised today when I had a conversation with relatives. Buddy & Nancy are an older couple, not highly "educated", just good, working class folks. I turned the subject toward Warlord Boosh and his bellicose rantings, saying "Saddam isn't our enemy - all these wetbacks are. Bush ought to be fighting them". "That's right!", Buddy agreed, adding "You know what this war is all about, don't you?" "Oil - and jews!", I replied. They both nodded vigorously.

I feel sure that, in spite of the 24-hour televitz hoodoo, there are millions of such normal Americans who can still see through the thick smokescreen of lies the Kristols have dispersed to blind & befuddle them.

MadScienceType

2002-12-22 02:52 | User Profile

The sheer number of mestizos in the border-states precludes all meaningful solutions short of barbwire and machine gun nests.

Now you're talking. This was the sort of "moratorium" I had in mind.

It's interesting that folks are noticing how easily the Iranians are rounded up but are expected to believe the same gov't is powerless to do anything regarding illegal Mexicans. What will such an awakening lead to, if anything?

I too feel that draconian measures are on the way by both sides. A lot of people I talk to have had their well of compassion just about run dry, as they're finally beginning to see that the more they give, voluntarily and involuntarily, the more that will be expected. I think that an overdeveloped sense of compassion has been one of whites' historical weaknesses. As an intraracial characteristic, it's probably a valuable survival tool, but when applied interracially, it has been a complete disaster.

Will whites fight when cornered? I'm cautiously optimistic.

Roy Batty

2002-12-22 20:30 | User Profile

Originally posted by MadScienceType@Dec 22 2002, 02:52 ** > The sheer number of mestizos in the border-states precludes all meaningful solutions short of barbwire and machine gun nests.

Now you're talking. This was the sort of "moratorium" I had in mind.

It's interesting that folks are noticing how easily the Iranians are rounded up but are expected to believe the same gov't is powerless to do anything regarding illegal Mexicans. What will such an awakening lead to, if anything?

I too feel that draconian measures are on the way by both sides. A lot of people I talk to have had their well of compassion just about run dry, as they're finally beginning to see that the more they give, voluntarily and involuntarily, the more that will be expected. I think that an overdeveloped sense of compassion has been one of whites' historical weaknesses. As an intraracial characteristic, it's probably a valuable survival tool, but when applied interracially, it has been a complete disaster.

Will whites fight when cornered? I'm cautiously optimistic. **

MadScienceType, you are so right. The compassion of whites has been twisted into guilt, used against us by those that see it, but don't have any for anyone outside their tribe. The "charitable work" of the chosenites always has a demonstrable ulterior motive.

Ridding the entire country of the mestizos and other undesirables is not impossible. A huge undertaking, but think what could be accomplished with the military and a constant stream of buses to the borders. The ultimate would be not only shoveling all the two legged mule brained animals back into mayheeco, but locking down the border so completely that the inevitable collapse of that warm land happens ASAP. Let's see them rebuild on their own.

BTW, the story dropped off the airwaves out here pronto. So many people were remarking about Arabs getting picked up while the mexicans, everywhere, were ignored. Too mamy references to looking out for Israel, the jews, etc. It also seens the powers that be didn't want to disturb Jose and Maria while they take their kids to the malls to steal from the stores and break into the cars in mall's parking lots.

Oh, the whites will finally fight when cornered. The tide will turn also, with the military ultimately siding with the white civilian population. Too long to go into now, but it would seem to be the natural course of things in a major collapse. Like someone wrote in another thread, the whites in places like Zimbabwe fight - they're just horrifically outnumbered and outgunned. Look at some of the fights in the reports, where lone farmers held off bands of armed negroid savages for days, until they ran out of ammo. No hope for military or police help, as those forces are black in those turd lands. Unlike Zimbabwe, SA, etc., the COMBAT troops in the US remain overwhelmingly white (over 90% with special forces, etc. approaching 98 - 99%), despite all the third world trash, and media propaganda to the contrary. It's interesting that their can be say, 500 soldiers on a site, with maybe 7 or 8 blacks and mestizos, and the news crews will focus on the non-whites, and make it look like we have nothing but courageous Leroys and Juanitos protecting the "Land of the Free". You can bet the elites are trying to figure out how to institute a draft that will make the forces darker, more malleable, more likely to be unable to figure out WHY certain orders are given. There are already artificially high numbers of darkie officers.