← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Frederick William I
Thread ID: 4054 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2002-12-17
2002-12-17 06:21 | User Profile
Reproduced from [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=4937&st=0&#entry23693]John Wayne Gacey O.D. Post[/url]
A small example of "recruiting."
Here's what I meant by that
Is anybody cruising sites, or accumulating eMail addresses? Hopefully yes, and sending them along with a note to
"Check out the 'Original Dissent' discussion board. Lots of free interesting opinion there, not censored."
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php[/url]
If every guy/girl that posts on this discussion board sent that message out to ten different addresses every day a one percent connection would make it a worthy effort. (Open a web based eMail account strictly used for that if you don't want to deal with return messages).
Not difficult at all, and scarfing ten eMail addreses off the web each day takes about 15 minutes at the most.
As it stands, you are all chatting with each other and that accomplishes nothing except pleasurable conversation. You are all isolated, speaking with only each other, and that is a regrettable waste of time. The overwhelming majority of you are quite literate and intelligent, but you spend all of your time chatting each other up, which accomplishes nothing.
Recruit, godammit, in your spare time. The above requires perhaps a half hour, maybe one hour a day. Make people aware of your discussion board, or some website that you feel they should see. At least that has the possiblity of furthering the effort. It's better than a permanently closed coffee klatsch among 20 people who spend day after day fondling each other's genitals. SEND your URL around to ten strangers every day -- you're going to get some hatemail in return, but at least you'll be doing SOMETHING.
John Wayne G
I thought this in general was a great suggestion by John Wayne Gacey. From perusing other boards I and any other media I can think of I know the discussions here are undoubtedly the finest anywhere. We may not be a large group, but we all know from our work here how small groups, if effectively mobilized, can exercise disproportionate influence.
All the same, there are limits to what small groups, however effectively mobilized, can do. We all have limited amounts of time to use toward this board and paleoism in general, and must therefore choose how to use it effectively. Given these constraints, perhaps rather than say engaging our time in certain threads which have limited utility, rehashing repetitively, however fascinating, arguments which we all basically know the answer to, (do certain threads like [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4935&st=20&#entry23626]Jai Hind (Victory to India)[/url] with certain unnamed posters whose name begins with rban come to mind?)
Might it be more useful to engage in some of the activities such as J.W. Gacey suggests?
I admit my recruiting efforts are somewhat limited, consisting mainly of advertising this forum on other boards. Cross posting is one of the ways Jim Robinson used to build up Free Republic, and I might add that to J.W.'s suggestions. There are many other ways of recruiting of course. Some of the tactics used by Free Republic are applicable, some aren't. But in a democracy, however flawed ours is, all ideas are basically doomed to ineffectiveness unless they somehow develop broad appeal and mass support.
That means however easier it is to continue to converse in anonymity here and continually demonstrate our superiority to the other forums, much less J.Q. Public, it is probably more important for paleoconservatism that we devote a more substantial amount of our time and efforts toward targeting paleo friendly people and groups elsewhere who are presently unaware of O.D. I personally was basically unaware of the existance of paleoconservatism as an organized entity until through much trial and error I became paleo and internet savvy. Think how many others there are out there in a similar fix, who sympathize with our aims and views but lack the requisite time to track forums like us down in the vast, confusing, and somewhat intimidating world of cyberspace.
If we could make it easier for them to find us, I think it would do more for paleoconservatism than 1000 dump all over rban threads. :)
That's my two cents.
2002-12-17 09:42 | User Profile
Yeah, that'll do wonders for this site......10 people a day receiving unsolicited recruitment emails from "John Wayne Gacey".
Seriously, what the %&#! are you on?
2002-12-17 12:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 17 2002, 09:42 Yeah, that'll do wonders for this site......10 people a day receiving unsolicited recruitment emails from "John Wayne Gacey".
Seriously, what the %&#! are you on?**
Its always easier to criticize than to do something positive. John Wayne's suggestion of semi-random e-mails of course I'm sure can be improved on by someone, but I'm sure it could have some effect. If followed it would also lead to improvements and learning, as any productive work does.
How did you BTW find out about this site? Telepathy or divine revelation? Or did all the neighbors on your block already belong? Or did your kid bring home this site from school as part of his study assignment? I'm just curious, because I personally found out about it by e-mail.
Concretely I was hoping we might generate a list of sites, and other forums where we could productively look for prospective members, methods etc. I know our links is a good start, but its a rather short list.
The reality is, however smart we may be on this site, being smart doesn't make a whole lot of difference unless someone knows about it. There may be a group of people stuck on a desert island now who know how to completely revive our civilization, but if they never get off it, they could just as well be cannibals, for al the good it does us. I thought J.W. Gaycey's remarks for this reason have a certain air of hard truth about them.
People who get involved in politics, especially fringe politics such as ours, need to be able to think big. If you take a hard look at what we're doing, the only reason it makes any sense is there's a potential it might grow into something big. Otherwise its just a waste of time, or even J.W.'s more picturesque metaphor's.
2002-12-17 13:09 | User Profile
It's one thing to recommend your friends and acquaintances here. It's another to contact strangers at random ("opening a web-based email account to avoid return emails" infers exactly that). That's called unsolicited e-mail, it's annoying, and - I guarantee you this - receiving such from a "John Wayne Gacey" - a man who raped & killed 33 kids - further directing you to a site that veers between paleoconservatism and white nationalism is going to accomplish little save bumping you up on the ADL Threat Board.
I mean, YOU were the guy fretting over Alex Linder's injudicious use of language a few weeks ago.....but, hey, if you want to start spamming people to come here, knock yourself out.
Of course, you could get in the habit of submitting letters for publication to online & print publications in which you, slyly or overtly, mention the name and/or URL of this site in the body of a sober, restrained letter (the type Ed Toner writes). THAT would be a commendable idea, in that it might increase traffic here.
For my part, I don't appreciate spam. And I "found" this place when someone or other posted its address at the top of every thread in the Francis forum during the last few weeks of its existence.
2002-12-17 15:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@Dec 17 2002, 02:21 **Jim Robinson ...Free Republic...
But in a democracy, however flawed ours is...**
Judicious, selective promotion of this site would be
productive. Shotgunning invitations to every Goldberg-gobbling neoconservative on the internet would be counter-productive. Spamming the denizens of Salon.com would be death.
Perhaps we could reconsider the terms, quoted above, that are employed to characterize OD.
2002-12-17 16:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by weisbrot@Dec 17 2002, 15:18 Judicious, selective promotion of this site would be productive. Shotgunning invitations to every Goldberg-gobbling neoconservative on the internet would be counter-productive. Spamming the denizens of Salon.com would be death.
Pretty much my thoughts too, I think you'd want some indication that the target was dissatisfied with the neocon right. A little preliminary screening would certainly be in order, and I doubt if you could come up with ten names in 15 minutes.
It depends on the resource though. Going through things like the various paleo-nationalist bump lists at LF shouldn't take long at all. But these types of good resources tend to be exhausted fairly quickly. If we got going on this, it might be interesting to keep a working log of useful sources and forum links.
Perhaps we could reconsider the terms, quoted above, that are employed to characterize OD.
You mean on the masthead? I don't see anything wrong with that at all, but I'm sure TD is open to suggestions.
2002-12-17 20:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@Dec 17 2002, 12:21 ** Pretty much my thoughts too, I think you'd want some indication that the target was dissatisfied with the neocon right. A little preliminary screening would certainly be in order, and I doubt if you could come up with ten names in 15 minutes.
It depends on the resource though. Going through things like the various paleo-nationalist bump lists at LF shouldn't take long at all. But these types of good resources tend to be exhausted fairly quickly. If we got going on this, it might be interesting to keep a working log of useful sources and forum links.**
Good ideas. Perhaps a Raimondo or another would accept a OD-bylined piece. Hopefully this could be attributed to, say, an airline pilot-type as opposed to, say, a homosexual pedophilic mass murderer type.
Originally posted by Frederick William I@Dec 17 2002, 12:21 ** Perhaps we could reconsider the terms, quoted above, that are employed to characterize OD.
You mean on the masthead? I don't see anything wrong with that at all, but I'm sure TD is open to suggestions.**
I was actually referring in a garbled way to using "Jim Robinson", "Free Republic" and especially the concept of "democracy" as any sort of touchstones in planning for growth.
2002-12-18 00:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Dec 17 2002, 17:57 Now the next step is really for the forum members to accept my leadership and work towards implementing some of my measures.
LOL! :lol:
That's pretty good, Hadji.
Now give me five dollars unleaded on pump 6.
:D
2002-12-18 01:13 | User Profile
**John Wayne Gacy???? What......??? **
*JOHN WAYNE GACY
John Wayne Gacy liked to dress in a homemade Pogo the Clown outfit to entertain kids. This lonely and sadistic contractor... organized killer, he had all aspects of the murder worked out before each kill. Once he entered his murderous fantasy, there was no turning back... He was executed by lethal injection in 1994.
url: [url=http://www.geocities.com/prophet31_/gacy.html]http://www.geocities.com/prophet31_/gacy.html[/url] *
2002-12-18 01:35 | User Profile
I found out about this site from a post on FreeRepublic denouncing it as racist and antisemitic. Knowing the poster, I figured it was worth checking out.
2002-12-18 07:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by Stanley@Dec 17 2002, 19:35 I found out about this site from a post on FreeRepublic denouncing it as racist and antisemitic. Knowing the poster, I figured it was worth checking out.
Bienvenidos, Stanley.
Yes, there are a couple of squirrels at FR that have done more to help increase our membership roster than any kind of promotional campaign we could launch on our own.
2002-12-19 00:57 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Dec 18 2002, 01:25 > Originally posted by Stanley@Dec 17 2002, 19:35 I found out about this site from a post on FreeRepublic denouncing it as racist and antisemitic. Knowing the poster, I figured it was worth checking out.**
Bienvenidos, Stanley.
Yes, there are a couple of squirrels at FR that have done more to help increase our membership roster than any kind of promotional campaign we could launch on our own.**
Hate = Love, sez Orwell, RimJob & Kommissar Abe Foxman... ;)
Thanks for the forum, Mr. Tex.
2002-12-19 08:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by Howard Campbell@Jr.,Dec 19 2002, 00:57 **Hate = Love, sez Orwell, RimJob & Kommissar Abe Foxman... ;)
Thanks for the forum, Mr. Tex.**
I do thank Tex. Jimrob perhaps paid me the ultimate compliment, when he "invited" to take my opinions over to SFF where they would be more welcome. Guess he didn't realize I was already there (under this nyme) of course.
Course he probably also may have had something to do with SFF shutting down. I Keep an eye on that squirrel, but I'll still eat his acorns. :P
2002-12-20 00:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 17 2002, 09:42 ** Yeah, that'll do wonders for this site......10 people a day receiving unsolicited recruitment emails from "John Wayne Gacey".
Seriously, what the %&#! are you on? **
Really
2002-12-21 00:12 | User Profile
AntiYuppie,
Well townhall.com does link to us.
Original Dissent Link on townhall.com Right next to Lucianne.com
Townhall Right Pages
url: [url=http://www.townhall.com/rightpages/default.asp?parent=132]http://www.townhall.com/rightpages/default....asp?parent=132[/url]
thread url: [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=3961&hl=town]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...&t=3961&hl=town[/url]
2002-12-23 05:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by Malachi@Dec 20 2002, 00:46 > Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 17 2002, 09:42 ** Yeah, that'll do wonders for this site......10 people a day receiving unsolicited recruitment emails from "John Wayne Gacey".
Seriously, what the %?! are you on? **
Really**
I don't know it, now that I understand what "John Wayne Gacy" stands for, now that Faust has enlightened me, it sounds like a good idea. You know, "join Original Dissent, its a forum people are just dying to get into :lol:
Actually, if we took everybody's avatars seriously, they'd probably think we were all nuts. The personal avatars of two of the same people whining about "John Wayne Gacy" either claim to directly speak with God or with the Devil. :P
2002-12-23 05:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by Frederick William I@Dec 23 2002, 01:09 **
Actually, if we took everybody's avatars seriously, they'd probably think we were all nuts. The personal avatars of two of the same people whining about "John Wayne Gacy" either claim to directly speak with God or with the Devil. :P **
Cranky...sounds like the gout is acting up, FW.
2002-12-23 05:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by weisbrot@Dec 23 2002, 05:21 Cranky...sounds like the gout is acting up, FW.
Gout! That is something girly frog untermenschen get from eating and drinking too much wine and cheese! Although I do admit, my old Franco-Prussian war wounds (or was it the seven years war? all these old things run together at my age) do act up now and then.
2002-12-23 06:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Dec 20 2002, 18:01 **Random spamming won't do us much good. I do wish more sites would link to us as we link to them - Joe Sobran, various Buchanan-affiliated sites (American Cause, Amconmag, etc), VDARE, etc. I'm sure that the readers of those sites would appreciate a forum to discuss their views since the more mainstream forums don't fulfill that function.
What would do wonders for this site is to have Jim Robinson to put his "Take it to Sam Francis!" line into writing. In other words, every time he bans somebody or threatens to do so on the Israel, race relations, or immigration threads, if he could post a "Take it to Original Dissent" with an accompanying link (plus disclaimer), we'd more than double our ranks of active, intelligent participants overnight.
Then again, I suspect that most paleos know what FR is all about right now, so the number of disaffected conservatives on that site is probably much smaller than it was a couple of years ago.**
I think there are still a lot of disaffected conservatives at FR. Internet forums draw basically disaffected people.
It is disappointing that more sites don't link to us, but at the same time its quite understandable. Forums like these express views that public organizations, edited by people in the phone book, must express with the greatest delicacy or it can be used against them. There's just a basic gulf between the two forms of web organizations. Most people just don't want to take the risk that some idiot will pull something out of context and try to slander someone because of their links. Mercuria's pilloring because of the Carolontheweb link, and even the Arkansas Senator's (Hutchinson?) cause he accomodated that outrageous Free Republic are two examples.
If you have a good forum that you want to sell, I think the best means is just cross posting on other forums. When you post an article at another forum by definition you are reaching people interested in forums, and when they respond it shows a high interest in your site. All you have to do is link diectly to this forum instead of the originating source. If everytime someone found a good article that they wanted to share with this forum, they also cross-posted it to another forum, we would set up an informal systen of links that might substitute for oour lack of formal links.
Cross posting is after all the technique Jim Rbinson used to build up Free Republic. We can do this without risk on nearly all forums except Free Republic.
Free Republic is a different case. I do suspect over there we could use a bit more few provacteurs to denounce us more regularly. Maybe some of us should earn how to pose as a Veronica clone ;) You know "you sound like one of those bigoted racist anti-semitic sexist homophobes over at Original Dissent". Thank Karl Rove, Jim Robinson, and Bill Kristol we Republicans don't listen to guys like you any more ;)
2002-12-23 08:02 | User Profile
How did you BTW find out about this site? Telepathy or divine revelation? Or did all the neighbors on your block already belong? Or did your kid bring home this site from school as part of his study assignment? I'm just curious, because I personally found out about it by e-mail.
Oddly enough, I found this site from a link on VNN where Mr Linder was railing against you, and contrary to Mr Linder's objections I found you quite intelligent and informative. I have nothing against VNN per se, I find it quite entertaining and it was one of the sources that led to my reading of Culture of Critique that really got me to change my view of 20th century history and the fate of the white man. However, Linder's approach is not one I would wish to personally associate with.
The moniker "John Wayne Gacy" is horrendous and does nothing other than associate pro-White activity with evil, at which the media is already doing a good job. In fact, one concern of mine is that the image of pro-Whites in the media as degenerates and mass-murderers would tend to attract the same to embrace the movement and thereby further sully its reputation. I should hope this John Wayne fellow is not purposely sabotaging us.
2002-12-23 09:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by Maximillian@Dec 23 2002, 08:02 ** Oddly enough, I found this site from a link on VNN where Mr Linder was railing against you, and contrary to Mr Linder's objections I found you quite intelligent and informative. I have nothing against VNN per se, I find it quite entertaining and it was one of the sources that led to my reading of Culture of Critique that really got me to change my view of 20th century history and the fate of the white man. However, Linder's approach is not one I would wish to personally associate with.
It actualy isn't odd at all. VNN readers include many people who just want to discuss things from a deliberately non-PC manner. Sad it seems to many political novices they're the only people you can go to on a lot of things to get honest info. (Tell me, how is one going to hear of VDARE either?.
The moniker "John Wayne Gacy" is horrendous and does nothing other than associate pro-White activity with evil, at which the media is already doing a good job. In fact, one concern of mine is that the image of pro-Whites in the media as degenerates and mass-murderers would tend to attract the same to embrace the movement and thereby further sully its reputation. I should hope this John Wayne fellow is not purposely sabotaging us.
**
Yes, I do wish John Wayne would return to defend himself. Maybe its just a unhappy concidence, and it really just was what his best friend was ;)