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2002-12-08 11:16 | User Profile
Great Britain - which gave the world "no-go zones" for whites, and the ludicrous sight of a PM insisting England has always, always been a multicultural mosaic; didn't you see that colored guy in ROBIN HOOD? - may be coming to her senses. We'll see.
The Week That Everything Changed In Britain
[VDARE.COM note: Anthony Browne, the Environment Editor of the London Times, wrote us in August about the stir caused by his August 4 article, ââ¬ÅBritain Is Losing Britain.ââ¬Â Last week, he tells us, things got a lot more stirred, and Browne himself received the penultimate British accolade, a denunciation in Parliament. The next step: arise Sir Anthony! Which will be richly deserved - he may have sparked the debate that can save his country.]
By Anthony Browne
I always knew it was inevitable, I just didn't expect it from the third most powerful politician in the land.
The first law of immigration reform in all western countries is that anyone who dares say that not all forms of immigration at all levels are beneficial to everyone in every possible way, will at some point be denounced as a racist and a fascist. It was on a BBC national radio show that I was told I was 'just a clever racist', which I guess was at least half a compliment.
A presenter on another show said I must be racist because I had dared mention in passing in a think tank book out last week [Do We Need Mass Immigration? published by the Civitas Foundation] that immigration is causing record levels of TB and HIV in Britain. He didn't contest the point, but said that since people with TB are mainly coming from Asia (where skins are generally brown) and HIV is mainly coming from Africa (where skins are generally black), I must be a racist to raise the issue.
But it was David Blunkett (the Home Secretary i.e. Britain's interior minister) who denounced me by name in Parliament as "bordering on fascism", for a series of articles I had written in the Times newspaper trying to get a more honest and rational approach to immigration. Since Mr. Blunkett chose to denounce me in Parliament, he had a thing called Parliamentary privilege, which meant he was automatically legally protected from any claims of defamation.
I can only guess it was an attempt to silence me and make my views beyond the pale - but it had precisely the opposite affect. Three national newspapers (including a left wing one) came to my defense, denouncing Mr. Blunkett for being cowardly, and writing editorials in support of me and against the government's "McCarthyism." One pointed out that I couldn't be a fascist because I am in many ways quite liberal.
Countless television and radio shows demanded interviews so I could explain "why I am not a fascist", a unique interview experience. I defended myself in the Times (December 04 ) [access free with registration], pointing out that since unskilled workers, ethnic minorities, global development and the environment are all losers from large scale immigration, immigration reform is a cause of the left as well as the right. One politician I was debating whether or not I was a fascist with on TV greeted me as "the famous Anthony Browne".
By denouncing me as a fascist, the Home Secretary had turned me into a one day cause celebre. I even got fan mail from black Britons saying immigration was disastrous for them and urging me to keep up the pressure. All of which gave me hope for immigration reform in Britain. It was the week that everything changed, and Britain woke up.
People realized that it was not necessarily fascist to want less immigration not more. TV and radio have been given the freedom to discuss the previously taboo issue, and in the name of balance any immigration debate now has to include one of the growing band of immigration reformers, rather than just the usual immigration lobby groups declaring all immigration is wonderful for everyone. Top national TV talk shows are covering this previously unmentionable issue. Local BBC radio stations, normally so timid about controversy, are phoning me up for extended interviews about the merits and demerits of mass immigration, without feeling compelled to have someone on to oppose me or denounce me. The debate has been legitimized.
More and more newspaper commentators are now questioning the received wisdom that Britain has to have mass immigration in order to survive as a nation. John Humphrys, Britain's most respected TV and radio journalist (sort of a British version of Walter Cronkite) wrote a column a year ago that we should have open borders and let everyone in; last week he wrote "It is not racist to be worried about immigration. It is irresponsible not to be." This is just truly remarkable.
The turning tide was recognized by the left wing Observer newspaper, which last week (December 1) ran a very balanced feature on the "onward march of the lobby against immigration", without denouncing anyone as racist or fascist.
It is not just myself and a new pressure group called MigrationWatch UK (founded by Britain's former ambassador to Saudi Arabia) that have helped make immigration debatable, but immigration itself has. There have been a series of immigration stories that are so extreme that it is difficult not to report it in any way other than with concern.
Open warfare broke out on the streets of North London between rival Kurdish and Turkish organized criminal gangs, killing one and injuring dozens. The police gave an official warning that they would no longer be able to control the ethnic conflict between rival organized criminal gangs of Kurds, Turks, Albanians, Kosovans, Pakistanis and Jamaicans as they rival for supremacy across British cities.
Immigration has overtaken gay sex as the main cause of HIV in Britain, because we have large amounts of immigration from areas devastated by HIV without any health checks at all. The government's response is not to try and control immigration or impose health checks, but to blame British people and warn them to start wearing condoms again.
A report last week showed TB in London is now at higher levels than China, Brazil and Tajikistan, as Third World immigration brings Third World diseases with it. Even the government didn't attempt to blame British citizens for that.
Britain already gets the highest number of asylum seekers of any country in the world - despite the fact we are at the remote end of a peaceful continent, and they all had to come through many safe countries to get here. But new figures showed the number of claimants still rose by a quarter over the last year to over 100,000.
The government, unlike European counterparts, has totally failed to control this at every attempt, and last week gave up pretending the asylum seekers weren't economic migrants and could be kept out, and just gave British work permits to 1200 of them sitting in a refugee camp in France. The capitulation of any pretence of border control was so extreme that even opposition politicians felt free to denounce it.
Britain has many advantages over the US in this debate. We have no national credo that Britain was built up by immigration. We are already one of the most densely populated islands in the world, with most British people thinking it is overcrowded. Most immigration is focused on London, the centre for the media and government, so all journalists and politicians see its effects first hand every day. And although the government broadcaster, the BBC, feels compelled to brainwash the people about the delights of multiculturalism at every opportunity, the national newspaper media is both incredibly powerful and overwhelmingly right wing (there are few left wing papers, and they are the worst selling).
Now that the debate has opened up in Britain, we just need to make sure it moves in the right direction. All three main political parties still insist that Britain needs mass immigration to survive.
In many ways, the battle has just begun. But it has definitely begun.
[Anthony Browne is the Environment Editor of the London Times. Contribute to the debate via comment@thetimes.co.uk ]
December 07, 2002
2002-12-08 20:37 | User Profile
Brimelow likes to say that things can change. I'm not buying that anymore - I've lost hope for that.
9-11 hit. And since then, immigration has not been stopped. Rather, it's actually continued at the same rate. Europe was moving right, then Stoiber/Haider/Pim were stopped. Things have not changed there either.
Amnest for illegals is still on the docket, Powell said he wants more "Muslim immigration"...et cetera. I have no reason to believe that this immivasion will end. I'll vote only when an anti-immigrant candidate runs, but I'm not so sure one will.
-Jay
2002-12-09 14:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by Current93@Dec 9 2002, 02:46 **As anyone who has read Kevin MacDonald knows Immigration was and is a tool for the Culture Distorters to weaken the West.
Vdare dares not tell the truth.**
VDARE definitely pulls that particular punch.
VDARE once published my letter to the editor - it was about the Catholic Church's teachings on the "nations". Later I wrote another (I thought better) letter on the flap surrounding Billy Graham's recorded statements to Richard Nixon about Jewish media influence, but I received only "thanks for your powerful letter" in reply.
This rather cryptic response made it clear to me that the good folks at VDARE know what's what, but that they aren't quite ready to tackle the issue head on.
And I must say that I think that the slow approach is the right approach, at least for the present. VDARE is getting published, it's being read, it's influential, and it's growing.
Yelling about all the stuff we yell about here on OD will only damage the cause at this point, and tend to prevent the rest of the message from getting out to the sheeple.
Once the sheeple get used to the idea that opposing illegal immigration and celebrating western civilization is a legitimate position to have, then we can start to talk about the obvious causes of our cultural decline.
Right now VDARE is pointing out to the patient that it has the symptoms of a terrible disease - and it's doing a fine job of that. Once the patient accepts that he's sick, we can talk about causes and cures.
Walter
2002-12-09 14:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Dec 8 2002, 20:37 **Brimelow likes to say that things can change. I'm not buying that anymore - I've lost hope for that.
9-11 hit. And since then, immigration has not been stopped. Rather, it's actually continued at the same rate. Europe was moving right, then Stoiber/Haider/Pim were stopped. Things have not changed there either.
Amnest for illegals is still on the docket, Powell said he wants more "Muslim immigration"...et cetera. I have no reason to believe that this immivasion will end. I'll vote only when an anti-immigrant candidate runs, but I'm not so sure one will.
-Jay**
Chin up, Jay.
We're light years ahead of where we were on 10 September 2001.
9-11 wasn't enough to stop the thing in its tracks - we'll need another big shocker for that. But it was enough to change the whole tone of the debate.
We need to keep on, and Brimelow is the man of the hour.
One of the most constructive things any of us can do now is to donate generously to VDARE.
Walter
2002-12-09 15:12 | User Profile
Incidentally the official ALEXA site-description for VDARE is "Articles advocating against minorities and immigration into the United States."
But there's no such thing as a liberal bias online, so it's ok.
2002-12-09 15:15 | User Profile
**Open warfare broke out on the streets of North London between rival Kurdish and Turkish organized criminal gangs, killing one and injuring dozens. The police gave an official warning that they would no longer be able to control the ethnic conflict between rival organized criminal gangs of Kurds, Turks, Albanians, Kosovans, Pakistanis and Jamaicans as they rival for supremacy across British cities.
Immigration has overtaken gay sex as the main cause of HIV in Britain, because we have large amounts of immigration from areas devastated by HIV without any health checks at all. The government's response is not to try and control immigration or impose health checks, but to blame British people and warn them to start wearing condoms again.
A report last week showed TB in London is now at higher levels than China, Brazil and Tajikistan, as Third World immigration brings Third World diseases with it. Even the government didn't attempt to blame British citizens for that.**
It figures that this country would be our one ally & partner in The War For Eretz Yisroel, don't you think?
2002-12-09 23:58 | User Profile
Walter,
I would kindly caution you about holding out any hopes that "once the sheeple get used to the idea that opposing illegal immigration and celebrating western civilization is a legitimate position to have . . . etc."
I think that in our own interests we must disabuse ourselves of any illusions that "the sheeple" you mention are at some future date going to perceive ANYTHING as serious enough (short of societal breakdown and violent anarchy) to create some galvanizing epiphany and cause the marginally aware to enlist on our side.
A good portion of the population is clueless and disintersted ("sheeple," to use your expression) and will remain so no matter what the circumstances. They are not intrested in politics at all, and cannot be made to care. They are drifting about aimlessly, and are virtually worthless as far as spending the time to discuss politics. MTV live bar shots from Cancun interest those types, but explaining that Ashcroft is building a fledgling NKVD here in the States only makes their eyes glaze over . . .
Most of the thinking population sees very well what is happening, imo, and many have already made the conscious decision to continue whistling past the graveyard and immerse themselves in distractions. The others are privately alarmed, but more conscious of how they appear in public. They will express their concerns privately over a Tanqueray and tonic (with a lime, thanks) in the local friendly party spot, but they'll never dare say the same things to anyone who matters, or who disagrees with them and is in a position to fire them (or report it back to someone who is in a position to ask uncomfortable questions)..
After all the liberties we have lost so far the way I look at it is if the American public has not stormed the Capitol by now in righteous anger and indignation, it ain't gonna happen, ever.
Don't get me wrong. The last thing I'm suggesting is to simply submit. What I am recommending and do feel is important is that we immediately stop even dreaming of some popular uprising from the football and X-Games and Star Trek fans and the truly politically disinterested. They shall never buck fasionable opinion at the expense of their own careers, and we should not even pretend that that will ever happen.
To be frank, I don't think many of us envision most people ever growing a backbone and becoming vocal opponents of what we see happening all around us. As a matter of fact, most of us realisze they'll probably remove themselves even further from everyday reality as our present guardians become increasingly oppressive, as they want to avoid any career threatening altercations that their fans might see.
Long story short -- I happen to have a couple Irish ex-pats in my neighborhood, and they do continue to insist that the IRA was composed of only 200 hard core (active) members, to use that org as an example. They explained to me that they had lots of nodding sympathy from the locals, but rarely any tangible support, so they decided early on that expecting anything more than that from the herd was a waste of time. They essentially disregarded the common population as of being any usefullness (They did speak with contempt for the support they enjoyed from the chatting classes AFTER they had performed a mission, however).
They DID disregard as well the idea of recruiting or persuading "the common man" early on, because they felt that he wasn't really an asset parking himself in front of the television set clutching a beer from 17:30 until bedtime.
What they seemed to stress was the importance of building an active, courageous cadre. They openly ridiculed the ever elusive but always referred to "not-yet-pis*ed-off-enough general population" as a phantom group that was never ever going to emerge and didn't really exist as an important entity, ever.
Anyway, and I'll conclude as I'm beginning to ramble.
I would suggest that these "unconvinced, potential allies" that many posters on many different message boards have a tendency to refer to and chase do not really substantially exist. Our rhetoric should not be adjusted and tempered in hope of enlisting these "moderate, potential allies" who are, for the most part illusory phantoms.
In other words, the middle of the road, "calmly rational and objective" guy and his wife that so many make reference to and go to great pains to avoid "alienating" isn't that common and is not worth much anyway when they're discovered. They don't really care much about anything.
Sincerely,
JWG
PS Would someone kindly instruct me on how to add the pic below to my signature? I can't figure out how to do it using the present instructions. Thank you, I do appreciate the help. JWG
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2002-12-10 00:23 | User Profile
Sorry,
Mixed a couple "is" and "ares" in that last message, my fault, I DO have to start proofreading my messages a lot closer. Hope you can follow what I was saying
Cheers
John Wayne G
2002-12-10 00:32 | User Profile
Walter Yannis:
VDARE once published my letter to the editor - it was about the Catholic Church's teachings on the "nations".
That was you? That was a great letter--I used it on a Catholic friend of mine in a debate some time ago. Very handy thing for me to have. Thanks!
2002-12-10 21:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by jay@Dec 8 2002, 14:37 **Brimelow likes to say that things can change. I'm not buying that anymore - I've lost hope for that.
9-11 hit. And since then, immigration has not been stopped. Rather, it's actually continued at the same rate. Europe was moving right, then Stoiber/Haider/Pim were stopped. Things have not changed there either.
Amnest for illegals is still on the docket, Powell said he wants more "Muslim immigration"...et cetera. I have no reason to believe that this immivasion will end. I'll vote only when an anti-immigrant candidate runs, but I'm not so sure one will.
-Jay**
Jay's pessimism brings to mind something I'm always forgetting to post.
Jay and others always say the west, whites etc. will roll over, can't fight. Yet, when reading reports about Zimbabwe for instance, the farmers that were killed were usually killed after fierce firefights, pitched battles. And these usally were battles with one armed white man fighting hordes of dusky, stinky, stupid, violent monkeys. The farmers didn't run because they had nowhere to go. Same goes for many S. Africans that stood their ground and fought. Did they give up rule in the first place? Well, the jewsmedia says so, the "voting" went the right way for the congoids. But all that can be manipulated. Not so, you say? 75 - 80% of the public in the US wants the borders closed, and they stay OPEN, with the politicians uconcerned about "votes" etc. The hispanic vote isn't a key at all. They aren't pandering to it. They aren't pandering to any minority block. All the rhetoric is to make whites feel as if the "minorities" are important, are key. Jorge Boosh and his ZOG tool crew know this. Whites need to be brainwashed into thinking they are second rate to the brown automatons the NWO crowd feels they need as majorities in order to maintain control in "white" regions. Things will change. And it will be bad and bloody, just like in Africa. Because, like the whites in Africa, American whites have nowhere to go. But the whites here have more at their disposal. And not just in terms of numbers and ammo.
Being negative and giving up doesn't help things. It makes one sound almost like an agent provocateur. Almost.
There is no way things cannot collapse. And anyone that thinks that 150 million whites couldn't eradicate 500 million "minorities" if it came to that overestimates most non-whites, and severly underestimates whites. Growing up in Los Angeles might have made a difference in my thinking, as I've noticed that urban whites these days will fight, as they grew up fighting the savages anyway. Whites from outside the big cities seem scared to death, I've seen them freeze up against small size Latinos and boons they could easily have stomped, if they had the stomach. Instead, they acted like, well, like Ashkenazi jews when it came to a physical confrontation, thanks to years of jew brainwashing. However, a dog can be kiked, excuse me, kicked only so many times, then he bites back ... As goes society, so will go the military. And things will be cleaned up from there.
BTW - GACY - the image may be too big, so resize it! Then again, use a different image - and name!
2002-12-11 02:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Dec 10 2002, 21:37 ** ...I've noticed that urban whites these days will fight, as they grew up fighting the savages anyway. Whites from outside the big cities seem scared to death...**
Absolutely true! I have never seen it put in words, but I've seen things like this too.
Too many people bought into the old "country boy can survive" hype, which may have been true once but might not have much relevance. Running a trot line and gutting fish is good to know but that isn't where the fight is these days.
Right now American soldiers are getting Urban Warfare lessons from the Israelis. I'd say somebody knows where the real fight is going to be.
2002-12-11 03:43 | User Profile
Sorry Bannister, if I made you angry or caused you to suspect me of being an "agent provacateur." I'm not sure what your definition of that term is, so I well may be just that in your eyes. What I was trying to do was speak plainly and bring a few of the lads back down to earth.
I am sorry to say that I see this discussion board slipping into the same trap that so many other boards on the net eventually slip into: The old "you just wait, we're (we are = someone else is) going to get them in the 2d quarter." Then it becomes the 3d quarter, then, hope springing eternal, with two minutes left in the 4th quarter, and you're down by 35, somehow there are those who manage to formulate a scenario in their minds how they can manage to still pull off the victory.
Well, americans are nothing if they're not self deluding. Much easier to sit and tap-tap-tap on a keyboard, hoping for the big play (from someone else) rather than calmly, cooly, objectively face the bitter reality that "someone else" ain't gonna get it done. That type of reliance on everyone but oneself must be dismissed, and discussing issues to death is intellectually pleasurable, perhaps, but it is only a form of non involvement, and frankly, onanism.
Those other guys, over there, don't exist. Every one of us who thinks that way is co-dependent and co-delusional. Your neighbor down the street is looking at you to be the guy who switches off the computer and grabs your weapon and takes on the police force and/or the US army. And we're looking at him to do the same thing. So we're both expecting big things from "that other guy, over there" (this is after the camel's back breaking straw that many allude to but a shadow of which has not appeared YET). And the result is two guys looking at each other and each asking "where the hell were ya?" as the curtain drops.
I find the self-deluding attitude ("those other guys, over there, you know, those guys, are are gonna really get 'em in the second half") to be the single most dangerous and ultimately defeating way of thinking for all of us. That is a comfortable pipe dream to cling to, of course, and makes it easier to reconcile with oneself NOT getting out and facing our enemies, or even making such a minor effort as challenging our enemies on their own websites. But it doesn't accomplish anything at all, and in fact damages our goals by making it too easy to be complacent, and spending a lot of time discussing issues with the already converted, and trust in those other guys over there who are really gonna kick some a*s.
In my opinion, if a guy doesn't want to go active, then he should be spending his spare time recruiting. That can be done from the privacy of one's home and computer, it doesn't require any face to face or marching in the rain. The immense amount of time and energy writing letters to each other in anticipation of those other guys, over there, getting the job done could be put to some practical use in contacting and recruiting the uninitiated. That would be time well spent.
JWG
2002-12-11 06:45 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Dec 10 2002, 00:32 **Walter Yannis:
VDARE once published my letter to the editor - it was about the Catholic Church's teachings on the "nations".
That was you? That was a great letter--I used it on a Catholic friend of mine in a debate some time ago. Very handy thing for me to have. Thanks!**
Thanks.
Yes, the Catholic Church has always been in favor of a tempered nationalism - as proceeding from both the Natural Law (family love extending to tribes extending to nations), and Scripture (God's institution of the nations after the Flood, the sin of Babel).
Our lavender clergy finds all of that distasteful, of course. It just isn't "nice."
Walter
2002-12-11 06:57 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Dec 10 2002, 21:37 ** Being negative and giving up doesn't help things. It makes one sound almost like an agent provocateur. Almost.
There is no way things cannot collapse. And anyone that thinks that 150 million whites couldn't eradicate 500 million "minorities" if it came to that overestimates most non-whites, and severly underestimates whites.**
Love ya, Roger!!
Right on, man. It will collapse, and then things will move really fast.
The problem is that we lack perspective, just by the nature of things.
In history, movements that seem small and marginal at the time are later revealed to have been at the peak of their strength.
Think of the Mao's Communists after the Long March. Only a few stragglers survived, and Chaing and his Nationalists appeared to be victorious. Just a little mopping-up operations was required . . .
Or consider Lenin and his Bolsheviks in the April 1917, when they were crushed and exiled by the Provisional Government. Several months later they seized power.
Or Hiter after the Beer Hall debacle.
We see but through a glass darkly. History favours movements that are organized and disciplined, and that demand a high level of committment from their members.
Walter
2002-12-11 06:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by J.W. Gacey@Dec 9 2002, 23:58 **Walter,
I would kindly caution you about holding out any hopes that "once the sheeple get used to the idea that opposing illegal immigration and celebrating western civilization is a legitimate position to have . . . etc."
**
You make some excellent points.
We definitely do need a core leadership. I think that we see one developing.
I concur with Roger Bannister that you should find a new moniker.
Walter
2002-12-11 08:40 | User Profile
QUOTE (Roger Bannister @ Dec 10 2002, 21:37 )
...I've noticed that urban whites these days will fight, as they grew up fighting the savages anyway. Whites from outside the big cities seem scared to death...
Absolutely true! I have never seen it put in words, but I've seen things like this too. **
Interesting. I cannot report seeing the same from Canuckistan urbanites, though there are occasional faint noises of non-compliance emanating from the interior and, curiously enough, largely minority-deprived enclaves.
You folks have the fortune ââ¬â yes fortune! -- of having the benefits of diversity delivered to you by way of blacks and Hispanics. Our ambassadors of multiculturalism are chiefly Asians. Consequently, inter-racial hostility is rare as rbanââ¬â¢s ostensible tribesmen, for example, are preoccupied with such pressing issues as concerning the presence of chairs in Sikh temples, so violent impulses find their outlet within that community. I need not add that Far Easterners are not predisposed to overt violence, and, in any event, none is required. The fecundity of races is well known -- for white Canucks it is quite bad and, if memory serves, only the Italians and some others do worse and the level of miscegenation is appalling, much more than I ever imagined even ten years ago (excessive taxation, ultra-liberalism, feminism, enactment of thought crimes, gun control/registration, etc. have laid a solid foundation for extinction/displacement).
The city of Toronto (incidentally, the North American metropolitan winner of the third world immigration sweep-stakes) is an exception in that the number savages present has reached the threshold necessary for them to at last begin to teach the locals the meaning of true diversity. Preliminary action resulting in numerous deaths (via gunfire no less) in a short span seems to have been restricted to gang-banger types, but has sufficed to generate numerous headlines in the press that could be exchanged for the daily rags of LA and DC. Gun related deaths of young Blacks reaching epidemic proportions. Poverty thought to be a culprit. Increased education necessary to reverse trend. Police admit to racial profiling. Police Chief to apologize to minorities. Enough said.
The biological cesspool that comprises the territory above the 49th will yield to the race that is the most race-aware, intelligent (of the applied variety for potential means nothing), and ruthless in its pursuit of group goals, i.e., Darwinian. As many have noted here and elsewhere, the Chinese are prime candidates to take it all, as in addition to the above traits they are sufficiently reserved and polite to not tip their hand too early. They will let the white man babble on about equality and merely chart his progress on the road to oblivion, for assistance does not seem required. UN tells us that both North American countries will cease to have white majorities around 2050, but that seems optimistic. The stated goal of ââ¬Åourââ¬Â government is 300,000 invaders annually, or at least 1% of the population. Things will become interesting when the Chinese commence the wrap-up of your northern flank.
Our fate may well depend on the amount of true diversity (a la South Africa) the average Joe & Jane experience, for as one soul here ably put it: ââ¬Åour people our dumb and can only be taught through pain.ââ¬Â As concise statement on human nature as I have ever read. Now if only we could devise ways to transfer that urban experience/pain to all those as of yet deprived whites. In my estimate this tutelage is absolutely necessary for the majority of the white populace to experience, otherwise strike too soon and youââ¬â¢ll find many of them among the ranks of your most fanatical opponents. At 8% of the global population, we cannot afford further civil conflicts.
** Posted on Dec 11 2002, 00:57
QUOTE (Roger Bannister @ Dec 10 2002, 21:37 )
Being negative and giving up doesn't help things. It makes one sound almost like an agent provocateur. Almost.
There is no way things cannot collapse. And anyone that thinks that 150 million whites couldn't eradicate 500 million "minorities" if it came to that overestimates most non-whites, and severly underestimates whites.
Love ya, Roger!!
Right on, man. It will collapse, and then things will move really fast. **
Aye. Collapse is inevitable and the only issue for me is how best to speed up the education of the PC types so that after the deluge their hate is channelled in the proper direction.:D
2002-12-11 23:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by J.W. Gacey@Dec 10 2002, 21:43 **Sorry Bannister, if I made you angry or caused you to suspect me of being an "agent provacateur." I'm not sure what your definition of that term is, so I well may be just that in your eyes. What I was trying to do was speak plainly and bring a few of the lads back down to earth.
I am sorry to say that I see this discussion board slipping into the same trap that so many other boards on the net eventually slip into: The old "you just wait, we're (we are = someone else is) going to get them in the 2d quarter."**
JW Gacey, the "agent provocateur" remark wasn't aimed at you ... but maybe it should have been. When I read some of the pessimisstic posts I can't help but wonder. I wouldn't mention any recruiting activities I may or may not be involved in, on this forum. Neither should anyone else. We know what to do. Depending on ZOG brainwashed, media hypnotized neighbors is not the key. But should they begin to become aware through roundabout means, well, then maybe it's time to talk to them ... wouldn't you say?
The remark I was sailing your way was regarding your choice of monicker. John Wayne Gacy's mug is not exactly a picture that brings feelings of white pride. What's next, Jeffrey Dahmer?
Sisyfus, you have to realize that yes, East Asians work together, as a group, much like jews, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO. If whites in the US or Canada engaged in the business practices that they are allowed to, the howls of racism, etc. would be deafening. The jews allow them into Canada, allow them to discriminate, and in fact make sure your "government" gives them breaks on business, taxes, etc. That's why you have "Hongcouver". In the US, whites are besieged by every third world tribe imaginable, all receiving favortism from DC in all areas. As do jews. The Chinese will probably not take over. They are smarter than mexicans and blacks, but in fact, thoroughly lacking in imagination. No joke. That is charactistic of E. Asians. Take a look at the group with the highest arrest rates for industrial espionage and intellectual theft: E. Asians (Chinese, Japanese, etc.) with the jews hot on their tails. If the Asians and jews were as smart as claimed, they wouldn't spend so much time and money stealing technological advances from whites. On a side not, the Chinese go so far as to claim that they are the ones that first suggested hitting the Twin Towers, but in fact many suggested that before (they claim) they did. One of those that did was the late, lamented William Pierce. Patience is not anything that will win the game in N. America. The collapse will hit, and the Chinese will be happy to move on, or be satisfied in controlling Asia, chalking up our region as a loss, but a win in Asia, as a collapse here allows them to hit Taiwan and tell Japan and the US to kiss their asses. Fine with me.
Once whites are forced into being organized, the hell with what anyone thinks, then it is all over for the current regime. That's the way it goes.
2002-12-26 02:29 | User Profile
Roger Bannister: There is no way things cannot collapse. And anyone that thinks that 150 million whites couldn't eradicate 500 million "minorities" if it came to that overestimates most non-whites, and severely underestimates whites. Growing up in Los Angeles might have made a difference in my thinking, as I've noticed that urban whites these days will fight, as they grew up fighting the savages anyway. ** I hope you're right. The thought of even HALF of the 150 million whites being able or willing to fight for their lives give me some hope (granted a twisted and wizened hope, but beggers can't be choosers!) I keep trying to imagine my sister being willing to do what's necessary -- but SHE says if anyone threatened her son, she would throw herself tooth and (such little as she has) nail at the attacker -- but she will NOT take steps NOW to see that her defense of him would/could be effective and successful! Whites from outside the big cities seem scared to death, I've seen them freeze up against small size Latinos and boons they could easily have stomped, if they had the stomach. Instead, they acted like, well, like Ashkenazi jews when it came to a physical confrontation, thanks to years of jew brainwashing. ** Well, a lot of it is just plain fear of JUST HOW VIOLENT these subhumans can be. They do things that I just canNOT imagine a human being doing to another human (or other animal!) When I am not armed (and granted, that's rarely), I am tremendously frightened, because I can't HELP believe in... well, not Marquess of Queensbury, but in basically civilized 'crime." (Is that an oxymoron?)
I would probably NOT be so frightened to have to defend myself against a WHITE attacker. I think that if I defended myself strenuously enough, he would quit, or at least NOT torture, mutilate, humiliate, damage, and destroy me just because he could. I do NOT have that feeling about black or brown attackers (even black or brown FEMALE attackers!)
However, a dog can be kiked, excuse me, kicked only so many times, then he bites back ... As goes society, so will go the military. And things will be cleaned up from there. Ah, I hope you're right...