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2002-12-07 00:40 | User Profile
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World Church Of The Creator Violates Court Order Ships Holy Books Out Of The Jurisdiction Of Federal Judge
12/6/02 12:28:26 PM Discuss this story in the forum LSN Staff
Chicago, Illinois -- The World Church of the Creator today publically violated a federal judge's court order to destroy their "Holy Books" by shipping their remaining stocks of said books out of the state of Illinois and the jurisdiction of the local Federal Appeals Court. According to an email sent out today by Matt Hale, the books have been shipped to another US state. While such a transfer of property is a violation of the court's order, it does place the property out of the court's power for the moment.
A Jewish judge ordered the books destroyed after stating that the term "Church of the Creator" violated a trademark filed by a radical Judaized- Christian sect which has sued with the support of international organized Jewry to have the WCOTC, a recognized religious organization, shut down.
In the United States, the First Amendment to the Constitution permits any religion, even insane criminal pseudo-religions like Scientology or Zionism, to be practiced, and forbids courts from ordering the burning of "heretical" or even merely unpopular religious works.
2002-12-07 03:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Javelin@Dec 7 2002, 00:40 ** In the United States, the First Amendment to the Constitution permits any religion, even insane criminal pseudo-religions like Scientology or Zionism, to be practiced, and forbids courts from ordering the burning of "heretical" or even merely unpopular religious works.**
Well that's one admirably pithy paragraph!
America has burned heretical books all the time; they classify it under the Food & Drug laws. Wilhelm Reich's books were gathered up and burned in New York City in the fifties on the order of the FDA.
2002-12-07 07:57 | User Profile
The WCOTC is basically an organization of crackpots, but I do disagree with the court order. Good for them, I say.
2002-12-08 02:47 | User Profile
By the time this Bushwhacker is sent back to Texas, it will be against the law to even Think like a non-Texan.
2002-12-09 21:10 | User Profile
[url=http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20021209%2F142565241.htm&sc=1110]Supremacist Church Moves to Wyoming[/url]
RIVERTON, Wyo. (AP) - The white supremacist World Church of the Creator has moved its world headquarters to Riverton, a central Wyoming city on an American Indian reservation.
The move was announced online last week by the leader of the group, the Rev. Matt Hale of East Peoria, Ill.
Hale said the group's move from Illinois means Wyoming residents will begin to see more leaflets and literature, more demonstrations and more recruiting. He said he could not say why the church was moving.
Hale, who has a law degree, said he will not move to Wyoming but other church members might.
Evan Zuckerman, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, said the group's literature has inspired members and former members to commit acts of violence.
``Wyomingites should be concerned,'' Zuckerman said Saturday.
In 1999, former church member Benjamin Nathaniel Smith went on a shooting spree that targeted minorities in Illinois and Indiana, killing two people and wounding nine before he killed himself. The victims were former Northwestern University basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong and a member of a Korean United Methodist church.
Hale said he has appointed the Rev. Thomas Kroenke as the group's leader for Wyoming and its world leader of operations.
Kroenke has been a caseworker for the Wyoming Corrections Department, according to his Web site and the 2002 state government directory. He says he became a follower of the church after hearing about it from an inmate.
Riverton, a community of 9,000, is on the Wind River Indian Reservation, home to the Eastern Shoshone and Northern Arapaho tribes. The city is 87 percent white in a state that is 92 percent white, according to 2000 Census figures.
12/09/02 14:24
Evan Zuckerman, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, said the group's literature has inspired members and former members to commit acts of violence.
Again with the "literature causes people to go crazy" claim.
2002-12-09 22:01 | User Profile
WCOTC today, the rest of the churchs in America tomorrow. This current attack on a legal enterprise is a test and a warm-up for the jews are preparing to attack any church, institution, company, etc. that still adheres to and believes in, a set of absolutes. ITZ COMING.
2002-12-11 02:43 | User Profile
The Alamance Independent on this Subject:
The World Church Of The Creator just lost its latest round in the courts in a challenge by another group claiming the right to use of the phrase "Church Of The Creator" - as a federal trial judge just implemented the decision of a federal appeals court late this July that the group was infringing the trademark of another group claiming the "Church Of The Creator" name.
WCOTC - which really began in western North Carolina - had won the original federal lawsuit over the trademark that had been brought by the Te-Ta-Ma Truth Foundation, but lost on appeal on various technical issues. The appeals-court decision even cited WCOTC founder Ben Klassen's book, Nature's Eternal Religion, in a decision noting that the Te-Ta-Ma Truth Foundation was a religious charity - while terming WCOTC a racist group.
However, WCOTC mainly lost its current case - one of many civil lawsuits it has been in, mainly over things like tax-exempt status for WCOTC as a religion - due to its own decision to disincorporate itself to make it invulnerable to civil suits for the acts of members acting in accord with WCOTC theology. This strategy followed a 1994 judgment against the Church Of The Creator - when WCOTC was the group using that name - for a murder committed by a member. As such, the appeals court ruled it had no claim to the obvious defense of "prior use" of the Church Of The Creator phrase from when it was founded in 1973 - long before Te-Ta-Ma trademarked the phrase in 1988.
Having won the trademark litigation early this year - with the judge kicking Te-Ta-Ma's lawsuit out of court on the basis that "Creator" was a generic word - WCOTC lost on appeal over the issue of whether the phrase really was generic. The appeals decision this summer even noted that WCOTC's own Web site - in the opposite of genericness - made clear that, in its view, all other religions were hoaxes or worse to it.
While the latest court decision awarded the Web site to the Te-Ta-Ma Truth Foundation, WCOTC was still using it last Saturday morning - seeking funds for an appeal to the Supreme Court.
url: [url=http://www.alamanceind.com/nation/nation_4.html]http://www.alamanceind.com/nation/nation_4.html[/url]
Hale calls judge?s ruling to change name "a farce"
"... The judge ordered Hale and group members not to use "Church of the Creator" or any "facsimile thereof, including specifically the World Church of the Creator, WCOTC, COTC or the words ?church? or ?creator? together in the same name or mark."
All church paraphernalia including books, shirts, letterheads, flags, digital images or Web site copies must be handed over for destruction, the order states.
"They are saying that they are going to seize our bibles. As far as I am concerned, those are fighting words and must be resisted by any means necessary," Hale said..."
url: [url=http://www.pjstar.com/news/local/g126842a.html]http://www.pjstar.com/news/local/g126842a.html[/url]
From ADL.org:
"...In January 2002, a trademark infringement lawsuit brought against the WCOTC by "Church of the Creator," a religious organization based in Oregon, was dismissed after a federal district court ruled that the name is a "generic" term akin to "Church of God" or Church of Christ." Subsequently, however, in a July 2002 decision that could ultimately force Hale's group to change its name, the Seventh Circuit Court overturned the decision, finding "Church of the Creator" to be a "descriptive" rather than "generic" phrase, and that therefore the WCOTC violated Church of the Creator's trademark. The appeals court ordered the lower court to enter an appropriate judgment in favor of Church of the Creator. Hale announced he will appeal this decision to the full Circuit Court, but he has also indicated that he may refuse to abide by an adverse ruling..."
url: [url=http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/wcotc_up1.asp]http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/wcotc_up1.asp[/url]
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Jewish Judge Orders Bibles Destroyed [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=4709]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=ST&f=5&t=4709[/url]