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Thread ID: 3869 | Posts: 39 | Started: 2002-12-05
2002-12-05 22:55 | User Profile
Not enough minorities in the largely-minority NFL, it seems.
From the web:
[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1463818.html]http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli...en/1463818.html[/url]
"In an effort to add another resource to the league's quest for improved diversity, NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw has appointed a committee comprised of six veterans, to help identify viable minority candidates for coaching and key management positions."
Can't you feel the (sniff) diversity? Let that feeling wash over you....that's it....ahhh....
2002-12-05 23:14 | User Profile
Not enough minorities in the NFL is an oxymoron. One would think having just about every single damned player being a minority would be enough "diversity".
2002-12-06 00:10 | User Profile
There was an article in Sports Illustrated from around 1980 in which it was reported that blacks made up 40% of the players. It was written in a manner that made it seem as if that was "not enough". These days, no one makes any statements about the low percentage of Whites in the league. Instead, they're complaining about the low percentage of blacks in coaching and management positions. When blacks became the majority of the players, the whining stopped. When blacks take over almost all of the coaching and management positions, the whining will stop. When the NFL becomes an all-black entity like the NBA they will never complain of "discrimination" and "racism". Unless they start whining about the low number of blacks in the stands.
2002-12-06 04:01 | User Profile
I'd swap 40% of the players for 100% of the GMs any day. Let them negotiate contracts for white players at ten times their own salaries for a change.
Who knows, with overwhelmingly white player rosters we might even see an RB or WR score a touchdown, hand the ball to the official and not do a looka-me jungle soft-shoe in the end zone patterned after their cannibal forefathers' victory dances around a cookpot with a white missionary simmering inside it.
2002-12-06 15:29 | User Profile
Il Ragno, classic! I love the sport of football, probably because I used to play when I was in school, but enduring the NFL jibaboos on the field and the sad sack of lemmings in the stands, it's enough for me to just check in on "George Michael's SportsMachine" highlights on Sunday nights. I do believe that there was only 1 black quarterback to ever lead an NFL team to Super Bowl victory(Doug Williams, Redskins, 198?) and never a victorious black head coach in any Super Bowl.
2002-12-10 21:15 | User Profile
Il Rag, when I worked in TV sports, many many people made the same observation.
The bitching and moaning will never stop. Ever. Although many of you out there didn't believe what I wrote in another thread, professional sports leagues like the NBA, NFL and now Major League Baseball do their level best to discourage whites - as participants. They want the whites in the stands, but will bend over backward if they can get a black to fill a spot over a white. Even with the genetic make up blacks possess, due to their ancestors chasing hyena pups for food, the numbers of black participants in some sports are artificially high. And higher still in the coaching ranks, given their low average intelligence.
Foreign born white NBA players are OK, they have a mystique about them, and most of the morons in the seats look at them as "different". Yeah, they are. They aren't as brainwashed or intimidated as American born whites.
BTW, look at the ridiculous coverage M. Vick is getting as the Atlanta Falcons QB. His miserable performance Sunday against Tampa Bay was no surprise. He was even worse in his first game against them, and the take one look and run black quarterbacks (Cunningham, Stewart, etc.) always turn out to be flash in the pans. As the joke goes, the radios were really installed in the QB's helmets to increase the number of black QB's. They don't turn them off during the play for blacks, they're busy yelling instructions so the black QB's don't have to think. All kidding aside, the league is doing its level best to force mediocre black QB's into being the league's stars. With all the jew owners, you can bet they'd love to knock off the image of white guys telling speedy brainless boons what to do. Speed isn't everything when it comes to being a QB. But the league is attempting to tell us otherwise. If anyone ever sees a black QB that can look off receivers, etc. let me know.
Blacks in mangagement? Sure, the jews will end up appointing some negroid window dressing. As long as the dumb goy asses are in the seats, what do they care? They're used to working behind the scenes.
2002-12-10 21:23 | User Profile
**Not enough minorities in the NFL is an oxymoron. One would think having just about every single damned player being a minority would be enough "diversity". **
Maybe this means they'll be making an effort to recruit whites LOL
Personally, I could care less. Football's on TV, and TV has an agenda. Why finance or participate in the destruction the West?
2002-12-10 21:30 | User Profile
**Who knows, with overwhelmingly white player rosters we might even see an RB or WR score a touchdown, hand the ball to the official and not do a looka-me jungle soft-shoe in the end zone patterned after their cannibal forefathers' victory dances around a cookpot with a white missionary simmering inside it. **
that's gotta be the funniest thing I've read all day :lol:
2002-12-10 21:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Dec 10 2002, 16:15 **If anyone ever sees a black QB that can look off receivers, etc. let me know. ÃÂ
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Roger, I present the current percentage point stats on QB's. You're right, as we all know, the blacks are NOT good QB's. Only 2 negroes in the Top 10, Vick and McNabb, and at the bottom nonetheless. Garcia, btw, is White.
Quarterback Rating
AMERICAN CONFERENCE
NATIONAL CONFERENCE
2002-12-11 00:37 | User Profile
Xmetalhead, that rating system is flawed in such a way that it helps Vick and McNabb look better than they are. Vick attempts the least passes per game of any starting QB in the NFL (before Sunday's debacle, he was averaging about 21 passes per game) and McNabb I believe is barely ahead of Vick when it comes to attempts. BTW, I go by Roger, not Roy. He's that other wordy ... nut. Nut in a good way, I should say. If rban hates him, he can't be all bad.
2002-12-11 01:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@Dec 5 2002, 22:55 **"In an effort to add another resource to the league's quest for improved diversity, NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw has appointed a committee comprised of six veterans, to help identify viable minority candidates for coaching and key management positions."
Can't you feel the (sniff) diversity? Let that feeling wash over you....that's it....ahhh....**
This article wasn't very informative, almost deliberately disinformative (often the case with "divresity" type issues.
What it didn't mention about this push for "diversity" is that it is mainly the result of a big push by some black coaches association, which is crying bloody murder, threatening lawsuits, etc. if the percentage of blacks in coaching and other management positions doesn't rise.
I remember actually Johny Cochran has thrown his braying voice into the ring. That tells you how big it is.
2002-12-11 01:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 6 2002, 04:01 I'd swap 40% of the players for 100% of the GMs any day. Let them negotiate contracts for white players at ten times their own salaries for a change.
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I know you are joking a little bit, but to any white player who actually plays in big time sports it is known that the racial tensions on the field are one of the big minefields you have to negotiate.
I'm sure it isn't easy playing on a team with 40% black players at times. Here in Oklahoma it has boiled over at numerus times in the past.
2002-12-11 01:59 | User Profile
**I remember actually Johny Cochran has thrown his braying voice into the ring. That tells you how big it is. **
Great, that means Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can't be far behind.
As much as the public screams about these clowns shamelessly wrapping themselves in racial controversy, the media seems all too eager to give them a soap box.
2002-12-11 02:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Dec 11 2002, 01:59 **Great, that means Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can't be far behind.
As much as the public screams about these clowns shamelessly wrapping themselves in racial controversy, the media seems all too eager to give them a soap box.**
I don't know about Jackson and Sharpton. This is about a serious issue - money.
Its really inevitable. As public, and political a forum as sports is, its inevitable that conflicts between races are going to arise, particularly when you have such obvious disparities between races regarding the percentage of players and the percentage of coaches.
In fact, the issue of coaching selection is always political. What's intersting about sports really is it is uniquelly above prejudice. Most football fans I know would let a bunch of gorilla's from the jungle play and coach, as long as they stayed out of the police's hair, passed their classes and won football games.
People talk about the need to bring more blacks into management positions both on (i.e. QB) beside, (coaching) and off the field. Yet for some reason they don't do too well. Strange, isn't it?
2002-12-11 07:01 | User Profile
Re black qbs, I'm undecided. However, you can't simultaneously take the position of 'they don't win', and then, when one or two of them compile winning records, claim 'the league pressures clubs into letting them win for agenda purposes'. Sorry, but that's like claiming MLB was instructing its pitchers to intentionally serve up meatballs to Barry Bonds. Stick to that story and you're gonna get some well-deserved odd looks.
Michael Vick may be completing 40% of his passes but that's not uncommon for first-year starters. He's done some amazing things on the field, though, and his team's 9-4 which nobody predicted. Will he turn out to be a flash-in-the-pan? We're gonna have to wait and see. He doesn't necessarily have to be "exposed" as a one-dimensional player, though; a knee injury, or a dislocated throwing shoulder, could cancel his ticket to Canton. Likewise, McNabb is a solid player - he's not the black-Jesus-in-cleats the media depict him as, but he's getting better every year. Of course, try and find yesterday's cheerleaders for Charlie Batch or Kordell Stewart or Shaun King or Jeff Blake.....don't bother. They've got a new black Jesus in cleats to sell you today.
I will say that the media desperately wants a black coach/qb/gm to win the Super Bowl; they're so desperate that they elevate every single promising new dark face into Chicken George Halas almost as soon as they put two solid weeks together. The 'villain' here is - as usual - the juggernaut of Jew media, since even a showboating quarterblack has gotta stand there and get sacked now and then.....something Shmuel learned long ago is better experienced by YOU and not him. Also, the tone of the coverage is typically talmudic: no matter how many black qbs we've had to date, every new one is presented with the same air of confrontational defiance. He's Exploding Stereotypes. He's bucking the Old Boy Network. He's reminded of Jim Crow and Bull Connor and being a black man in a white society every time he throws an incompletion. He's Seen The Ugly Face of Racism growing up the youngest of 16 kids, raised by [the now-obligatory] Single Mother.He's a millionaire who cringes every time he gets into an elevator and an old white woman clutches her purse defensively. He's the first fruit of The Changing Face of America....and that frightens, and angers, the Bigots Among Us. Yada yada yada.
The preceding is the kind of drivel that, sad to say, writes itself nowadays, and it's this crap which gets my blood boiling. Jews using blacks as a wedge to destroy white gentile society: the Song of Salomon Brothers. Gene Upshaw's time would be better spent educating his brothers in the game about what happens to a brotha when he says "Cynthia McKinney" or "Louis Farrakhan" to the back-slapping Hymie who's been "taking his side" all along.
2002-12-11 07:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 11 2002, 07:01 **Re black qbs, I'm undecided. However, you can't simultaneously take the position of 'they don't win', and then, when one or two of them compile winning records, claim 'the league pressures clubs into letting them win for agenda purposes'. Sorry, but that's like claiming MLB was instructing its pitchers to intentionally serve up meatballs to Barry Bonds. Stick to that story and you're gonna get some well-deserved odd looks.
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Really, the black QB's weren't the issue with the Black coaches association. It was the black coaches. Quaterbacks agreed, have many factors on the field that can influence their performance and don't show up in the statistics, although the ansence of a really great black quaterback cetainly strikes you.
2002-12-11 08:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Dec 11 2002, 01:22 although the absence of a really great black quaterback cetainly strikes you.
Granted "greatness" comes with championship rings and given the fact that he never earned one in the NFL, as a pure drop-back passer and leader on the field I would still put Warren Moon in at least the top 10%. The biggest strike against him, of course, was that he spent his prime years with Bud Adams' Oilers, a team that never failed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory throughout their infamous history.
2002-12-11 08:19 | User Profile
Granted "greatness" comes with championship rings...
Not necessarily, Tex. Marino, Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and Archie Manning never got a ring between 'em; all were great qbs. There isn't a better qb in today's game, in terms of his field-general qualities, than Peyton Manning and it's starting to look like his Last Sunday in January will never come, either. (But Rich Gannon, another underrated leader, just might get his ring this year....)
Contrariwise, Mark Rypien had an all-world year with the Skins in 92 & won the Super Bowl, and was a third-string backup by 94. Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon & Jeff Hostetler all won the Big One and all are aftertoughts today. Hey, Jim Plunkett won the sumbitch twice and you barely hear his name cited at all these days, and never among the Elite QBs of the game.
Coaches are often subject to the same vagaries. We'll be hearing about Walsh & Parcells & Jimmy Johnson till the cows come home, but - unless you're alertly paying attention - you might not know that Tom Flores and George Seifert each won two; heck, Chuck Noll won it four times and nobody's ever called him a particularly good coach, let alone a "genius".
2002-12-11 08:20 | User Profile
Actually, on second thought I take back my field leadership reason for offering up Moon. Too many times he had the deer in the headlights expression when a critical game began to slip away like they always did. I think back to the quintessential example of the Frank Reich-led Bills 30+ point comeback playoff victory. A real field general like Mississippi's Favre or Montana simply would NOT led something like that happen.
Nevertheless, Moon's strength of arm, accuracy and general intelligence still makes him stand out among black quarterbacks in my mind. He stood in stark contrast to the willy-nilly run wild approach that has now become so popular and I believe first introduced by Randall Cunningham in Philadelphia. And let us not forget Doug Williams' great year with the Redskins. Not enough years to qualify as great, but he did have a heck of a run for one season.
2002-12-11 08:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 11 2002, 02:19 > Granted "greatness" comes with championship rings...**
Not necessarily, Tex. Marino, Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and Archie Manning never got a ring between 'em; all were great qbs. There isn't a better qb in today's game, in terms of his field-general qualities, than Peyton Manning and it's starting to look like his Last Sunday in January will never come, either. (But Rich Gannon, another underrated leader, just might get his ring this year....) **
You're right. I should have said greatness is more readily granted with numerous championships. Thinking of names like Staubach, Bradshaw and Montana. Furthering your point I would add the name Aikman. An often considered "great" quarterback who was way overrated, an average talent at best and only successful because of the tremendous talent surrounding him.
2002-12-11 08:44 | User Profile
Frankly, I liked Aikman. Yeah, I know, playing behind that monstrous OL and handing off to Emmitt helps, but I always thought Aikman's great strength was his throwing accuracy, not his arm-strength (fair) or his leadership-in-adversity (middling). He threw strikes, consistently, and you have to tip your cap to him for that at least.
Now MY idea of a great qb was Phil Simms. Never played behind an elite line and thus took a lot of punishment, but how many times have I seen him respond to a piledriving sack that left him in 3rd-and-forever with a perfect-strike td pass? Or for that matter, that glorious Monday-night moment where he took a cheap-hit from whitey-hatin' Ronnie Lott, snatched off his helmet and went jaw-to-jaw with Lott, backing him up in front of a national audience? I still treasure that 'uh-oh!' look on Lott's previously-snarling face. Even Noel Ignatiev felt a stirring of white pride watching that Gatorade moment.....
2002-12-11 09:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 11 2002, 02:44 **He threw strikes, consistently, and you have to tip your cap to him for that at least.
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Yeah, to Novacek five yards over the middle. I've seen many a Texas high-school blue chipper that could do that plus throw the long ball, which Aikman couldn't. It was Irving that went out and got those.
Now MY idea of a great qb was Phil Simms.
It's a shame his boy doesn't seem to be carrying on his Daddy's example. The T-sips put all their eggs in his basket and he just couldn't deliver in crunch-time, again and again.
Makes me tear-up just thinkin' about it.
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2002-12-11 23:21 | User Profile
TD, I agree with you about both Moon and Aikman. And Novacek's importance to those two teams is so underrated.
2002-12-11 23:29 | User Profile
It's a shame his boy doesn't seem to be carrying on his Daddy's example. The T-sips put all their eggs in his basket and he just couldn't deliver in crunch-time, again and again.
I can't wait to see him implode in the Cotton Bowl, with his draft status at stake. Should be fun -- go, Tigers!
2002-12-11 23:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 11 2002, 01:01 **Re black qbs, I'm undecided. However, you can't simultaneously take the position of 'they don't win', and then, when one or two of them compile winning records, claim 'the league pressures clubs into letting them win for agenda purposes'. Sorry, but that's like claiming MLB was instructing its pitchers to intentionally serve up meatballs to Barry Bonds. Stick to that story and you're gonna get some well-deserved odd looks.
Michael Vick may be completing 40% of his passes but that's not uncommon for first-year starters. He's done some amazing things on the field, though, and his team's 9-4 which nobody predicted. Will he turn out to be a flash-in-the-pan? We're gonna have to wait and see. He doesn't necessarily have to be "exposed" as a one-dimensional player, though; a knee injury, or a dislocated throwing shoulder, could cancel his ticket to Canton. Likewise, McNabb is a solid player - he's not the black-Jesus-in-cleats the media depict him as, but he's getting better every year. Of course, try and find yesterday's cheerleaders for Charlie Batch or Kordell Stewart or Shaun King or Jeff Blake.....don't bother. They've got a new black Jesus in cleats to sell you today.
... . He's Exploding Stereotypes. He's bucking the Old Boy Network. He's reminded of Jim Crow and Bull Connor and being a black man in a white society every time he throws an incompletion. He's Seen The Ugly Face of Racism growing up the youngest of 16 kids, raised by [the now-obligatory] Single Mother.He's a millionaire who cringes every time he gets into an elevator and an old white woman clutches her purse defensively. He's the first fruit of The Changing Face of America....and that frightens, and angers, the Bigots Among Us. Yada yada yada.
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I don't care how many odd looks I get from the uninformed. The people I worked with in sports, behind the scenes, give odd looks to those that believe that everything is on the up and up in pro sports. Bonds certainly was grooved on many an occasion. Much the same as the Angels in the recent World Series firing the ball right down the plate because no men were on base. There are no 6 run home runs. The funniest thing about Bonds that few seem to notice or want to mention (except Reilly at SI, of all people) is his rapid weight gain and subsequent increase in production at 37. Say what you want about McGwire, but his weight was fairly constant, as was his ratio of HR's to at bats. The change was his staying healthy for a few seasons. In '01, Bonds goes from 185 lbs. to 237 lbs. in 4 1/2 months, and starts blasting them out of the park at almost double his old rate. He showed up for the '02 season at 244 lbs., and his hat size is three sizes bigger. This indicates the use of Human Growth Hormone along with steroids. The league knows, but lets it go. And yes, many people were talking about the rumor of Selig mentioning that it might help bring more black fans to the game if a black man set the season record for homers. Thing is, blacks didn't give a damn, and whites didn't care, because no one likes Bonds. His memorabilia doesn't even sell for squat when compared to other superstars. But that's all off the beam, as you continue your all knowing odd look from the stands ...
As for black QB's, Vick is a great athlete. Being a great athlete does not necessarily make one a great QB. Kordell Stewart, anyone? How about Randall Cunningham, the "QB of the future!" Atlanta is playing a last place schedule, much like Stewart, Cunningham, etc. when they first emerged as starters. Let's see what he can do when he has to play a first place sched. And when the opponents are ready for a known commodity. Maybe he'll be great, but the fact is he was entirely confused by Tampa Bay's defense, just as most run n' gun QB's are when facing something similar. For some reason, most black QB's take ONE LOOK, and then bolt. Don't give him that one look, and have someone waiting on either side of the pocket, because these guys will run. They don't even look off receivers. This how these guys end up getting KO'd in the playoffs. The only big NFL game that any of us ever heard the slightest rumor about was the Super Bowl back in '88 when Doug Williams became the first black QB to win the big one, due to some suspiciously bad coverage by the Denver Secondary. Williams couldn't hit a bull in the ass before or after, but had wide open easy shots in that game. Do I believe it? I don't know. I feel that Denver's small offensive line and the 'Skins massive defensive line had a lot to do with it, but it's interesting conversation. The 'Skins were pressured into putting Williams back at the helm as the starter by the ... press of course. It was actually Jay Schroeder that got them rolling through the season when he replaced the erratic Williams.
I never mentioned Vick's completion ratio, as that stat is generally not something to look at for a first year guy, but it is interesting to consider when one looks at all the press he gets. Mentioning his low level of interceptions is meaningless when he's throwing half as many passes as everyone else.
McNabb is decent. But as you say, he isn't the second coming. Or even the first.
Greatness doesn't necessarily mean championships, a great QB still needs a supporting cast. Marino never had the supporting cast of someone like Montana. Montana was cool under pressure, would take his time, but he's the guy you should be talking about when it comes to dumping 5 yard passes under coverage, not Aikman. The dreaded "49'er huddle" by the officials is something else that helped these guys out (as told to me by Jackie Slater among others) but that's another subject. Go ahead and look it up on the net, it's well documented.
BTW, il ragno - in listing the tired old stereotypes marched out for each new GREAT BLACK HOPE at the QB position, you forgot to mention the obligatory " ... well, he's still raw, but he has the strongest arm in the league," after each overthrown ball. Phil Simms, gutsy man. Nice off the field, but could turn it on the second the game started. And his concentration would never fail him in a pressure situation, although his own teammates did on occasion.
Warren Moon didn't get a lot of publicity, and he was very good, because he played ... white. Stayed in the pocket, etc. Only ran when he had to - and showed that not all blacks are fast, that brother looked like he was running in quicksand. That playoff game against Buffalo, when Frank Reich led the 28 point comeback had a lot to do with Houston's crappy defense that season. It was amazing that Buffalo wasn't up 28 zip at halftime, considering how Houston had been playing that season and the way Buffalo was racking up the points game after game. But when the momentum changes ...
Anyway, I'm done with the conspiracy stuff in sports, at least in terms of on the field activities. It's the behind the scenes crap that should be watched, as the manipulations are many times geared to push the same messages put out by MTV, etc. The rest of it is meaningless spectacle meant to misdirect while brainwashing. Black coaches, GM and the like are window dressing.
2002-12-12 00:21 | User Profile
Roger--
I enjoy your posts about sports 100%. I follow football, and so much of what you say makes great sense to me. I belong to various message sports pertaining to the New York Giants, and from the likes of most of the posters over there, you can see that they represent the White lemming sports fan that will smooch every black player's bum while criticizing the White players.
What is really sad about the way sports is marketed today is that it seems that there is only one constituent they truly want: the White male couch potato, the foul-mouth, immature, beer guzzling nobody. Have you ever seen the show "The Best Damn Sports Show, Period"?? This is what sports shows are like nowadays. Another one from Fox, "The NFL Show", follows in the same suit. These are mere entertainment shows, only deal with sports some of the time, and cater to these kinds of fans the sports industry goes after.
As for the black QB issue, Warren Moon didn't get much publicity and I remember him in his playing days. Remember that he started out in the Canadian Football League, so he didn't make it to the NFL until years later. He was a productive QB, but I guess it was his lack of "animal instinct" that prevented him from being exalted into the stratosphere by the sports establishment. Barry Sanders was perhaps another example of a black player who didn't get much publicity, either. It's funny how the black players who get the publicity are showmen at heart; the eternal minstrel comes out every time. For all those times they claimed that this was brought upon them by "Whitey"; they seem to have no problem exhibiting it to the world without insistence from anybody.
Aside from the black QB issue, it seems as if many of these black players get into a lot of trouble off the field, yet the media pats them on the back for it every time. Jim Brown will never be questioned in the press for his spousal abuse; have you heard the press chide him?? He doesn't pay fines of certain sorts related to his "activities"; he just wears his "African" cap and walks through life untouched. The sports press wouldn't dare criticize a black "legend" such as Jim Brown, now would they??
2002-12-12 00:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roger Bannister@Dec 11 2002, 17:30 Montana was cool under pressure, would take his time, but he's the guy you should be talking about when it comes to dumping 5 yard passes under coverage
Say what you will about Montana, I never liked the guy. But there's no denying he had something special. We old UH Cougar fans learned that early on in the '79 Cotton Bowl. Yet another Houston-related sports tragedy. :(
2002-12-12 01:04 | User Profile
**Warren Moon didn't get a lot of publicity, and he was very good, because he played ... white. **
Indeed. And I believe that's what we were looking for: a black quarterback who played "white" at a high level of competency. Moon qualifies.
2002-12-12 01:20 | User Profile
**Say what you will about Montana, I never liked the guy. But there's no denying he had something special. We old UH Cougar fans learned that early on in the '79 Cotton Bowl. **
C'mon, Tex -- 35-34 has a nice ring to it! As much as I hate the outcome, I can't help but watch that game whenever it comes on ESPN Classic -- Yeoman's veer offense was a thing of beauty.
Like you, I never liked Montana, or his alma mater for that matter. I saw Montana in '77, his junior year, and the locals had been thorughly alienated by Notre Dame's whiny coach (Dan Devine) long before the Irish rolled into Death Valley. Clemson had a 17-7 lead going into the fourth, but the Irish -- without any heroics by Montana -- managed to eke out a 21-17 win on their way to the national title, despite suffering a loss in, of all places, Oxford, Mississippi. Can you imagine the scene in the Grove after that one? I'd give anything for a tape of that game.
2002-12-12 02:07 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Dec 11 2002, 19:20 **C'mon, Tex -- 35-34 has a nice ring to it! As much as I hate the outcome, I can't help but watch that game whenever it comes on ESPN Classic -- Yeoman's veer offense was a thing of beauty. **
:angry: Go easy, mw. That one still hurts almost as bad as watching Phi Slama Jama and NC State on ESPN Classic. I still can't bear it.
You're right, Yeoman's veer was a thing of beauty, still run by many Texas high school programs. We ran it at my old alma mater and when you have speed in the backfield, almost impossible to shut down. Yeoman was and is a class act and the program just hasn't been the same since he's been gone, I'm afraid. Pardee resurrected it a bit in the late '80s and early '90s (my era), and speaking of that, John Jenkins' run-n-shoot was also a thing of genius and beauty. Oh how I miss those 100-10 victories over SMU and runnin' it up on the T-sips. :)
Dickinson's Andre Ware could have been a solid pro QB. He didn't have the talent Klingler did, but unfortunately had to play under Wayne "Yank your QB out of the game after one mistake" Fonts at Detroit. Because of his QB rotation, I think Fonts just ruined Ware and made him lose all his confidence.
Boy, I could talk Southwest Conference football all night and then some. Football just hasn't been the same for me since Big Money got its way and the SWC broke up. I don't care about TV ad revenue and such. Nothing will ever compare to year-in and year-out having to brave the 12th man at Kyle Field, take that lonesome frigid road trip up to Lubbock, give Rice a good whipping, hate Arkansas and Texas and enjoy some great competition with TCU, SMU and fellow Baptists in Waco.
Sigh. Those were the days.
2002-12-12 05:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by Robbie@Dec 11 2002, 18:21 **Roger--
I enjoy your posts about sports 100%. I follow football, and so much of what you say makes great sense to me. I belong to various message sports pertaining to the New York Giants, and from the likes of most of the posters over there, you can see that they represent the White lemming sports fan that will smooch every black player's bum while criticizing the White players.
What is really sad about the way sports is marketed today is that it seems that there is only one constituent they truly want: the White male couch potato, the foul-mouth, immature, beer guzzling nobody. Have you ever seen the show "The Best Damn Sports Show, Period"?? This is what sports shows are like nowadays. Another one from Fox, "The NFL Show", follows in the same suit. These are mere entertainment shows, only deal with sports some of the time, and cater to these kinds of fans the sports industry goes after.
As for the black QB issue, Warren Moon didn't get much publicity and I remember him in his playing days. Remember that he started out in the Canadian Football League, so he didn't make it to the NFL until years later. He was a productive QB, but I guess it was his lack of "animal instinct" that prevented him from being exalted into the stratosphere by the sports establishment. Barry Sanders was perhaps another example of a black player who didn't get much publicity, either. It's funny how the black players who get the publicity are showmen at heart; the eternal minstrel comes out every time. For all those times they claimed that this was brought upon them by "Whitey"; they seem to have no problem exhibiting it to the world without insistence from anybody.
Aside from the black QB issue, it seems as if many of these black players get into a lot of trouble off the field, yet the media pats them on the back for it every time. Jim Brown will never be questioned in the press for his spousal abuse; have you heard the press chide him?? He doesn't pay fines of certain sorts related to his "activities"; he just wears his "African" cap and walks through life untouched. The sports press wouldn't dare criticize a black "legend" such as Jim Brown, now would they??**
You are so right, Robbie. They want whites to sit and watch, but not compete. That is the is goal. Another way of making whitey feel inferior. If no-holds barred fighting were dominated by blacks or mestizos instead of whites, it would be all over the networks and cable, not on pay per view. As a side note, it will be interesting to see how boxing deals with the impact of Eastern European fighters. With first Kosta Tzyu knocking the darker peoples around, then Vassily Jirov dominating the cruiserweights, then the Klitchsko brothers putting on shows at heavyweight, things aren't what they should be. Time for the "Russian" mob to step in and straighten things out, much as they did/do to Russian players in the NHL, threatening to kill the player's relatives in the motherland if they don't kick back some big bucks. I won't put the story in this thread, but again, go ahead and look it up, it's well documented. I know, because I had to do the research and write one network piece on the strong arming against Russian NHL players. Some co-workers were stunned when they realized all the "Russian" gangsters were jews, they said they couldn't believe jews could do such things. Such is the naivety that the jewsmedia and its allies have been able to instill. Just like the belief that blacks are treated unfairly everywhere, including sports.
Yeah, Jim Brown is real piece of work. He says he retired because he had done it all. No. He retired because the league began to draft 210 - 230 lb. linebackers, instead of the 170 - 180 pounders Jimmy had been able to run through. Looking at a guy like Butkus, Brown knew the writing was on the wall. He was nowhere near as good as those that followed, including the NFL's most famous double murderer, OJ Simpson.
PROS AND CONS is an interesting book if you want to look at the numbers of criminals in professional sports. The book actually backs off and tries to work a couple of white guys in, but even with its light approach, it's nothing but black after black after black. If they covered boxing and soccer in the book, mexicans would be right there.
2002-12-12 09:57 | User Profile
**They want whites to sit and watch, but not compete. That is the is goal. Another way of making whitey feel inferior. **
Yeah, that's what they're up to. You see the same images again & again, in both sports league promos and ads: fat, shirtless "white guys" in clown wigs and gallons of body paint, spilling beer on themselves as they enjoy vicarious triumph when "their" team scores. An image deliberately calculated to whisper to the subconscious minds of White men everywhere Just look at him. Weak. Pathetic - like all white fools. Like you .
If no-holds barred fighting were dominated by blacks or mestizos instead of whites, it would be all over the networks and cable, not on pay per view.
ESPN just had one of their "hard-hitting" Behind the Lines documentaries about no-holds barred fights. I didn't watch, but the promo was contemptuous, posing the question "sport or spectacle?". Obviously trying to equate it in the public mind with pro rasslin', and we all know why.
As a side note, it will be interesting to see how boxing deals with the impact of Eastern European fighters. With first Kosta Tzyu knocking the darker peoples around, then Vassily Jirov dominating the cruiserweights, then the Klitchsko brothers putting on shows at heavyweight, things aren't what they should be.
And Wladimir Klitschko decisively whupped vaunted nigra contender Jameel McCline Saturday night. I'd bet the coon tune that either he or Vitaly will be the first White undisputed heavyweight champ since Ingemar Johannsen - and hold it for a hell of a lot longer, too.
Things are looking up.
2002-12-12 10:09 | User Profile
Roger, I'd forgotten it was you who'd posted that Bonds stuff a few months back. Suffice it to say I don't mean to appear like I'm deriding you: just the opposite. You don't post enough for my money; always much food for thought in what you say.
Insofar as baseball goes, YES I find it hinky that:
offensive #s have skyrocketed post-strike;
the New Elite is comprised of 38-year-olds posting career numbers;
guys show up at camp 50 pounds heavier with half the body fat percentages (can you say "Lenny Dykstra", kids?);
and most everything else you cite. But I don't think any World Series pitcher would knowingly serve one up in Bonds' wheelhouse, Commissioner's orders or no Commissioner's orders. To me, the culprit has been a gradual-but-relentless cultural change within baseball: to wit, pitching inside has become unofficially equated with Jim Crow and the color-line, ie, a holdover from the Bad Old Days when White Men Ran Things. Nobody is specifically teaching young pitchers the art of backing a hitter off the plate; worse, no one is teaching them the philosophy of pitching inside. Ie, the inside part of the plate naturally belongs to the pitcher and he should have NO squeamishness about dishing out chin music to any batter crowding him out of what is rightfully HIS.
Now let's look at the last 20 years. Showboating chimpanzees routinely charge the mound at the merest provocation in an unquestionably-racial metaphor (the next time you see a black hitter charging a mound with a black pitcher on it, beep me, willya?).....umpires are so hair-trigger zero-tolerant towards brushbacks that it seems like their primary function is to issue warnings, not calling balls & strikes [and I submit that a generation of umpiring that increasingly criminalizes pitching inside is going to, consciously or unconsciously, shrink the strike zone since they are now ceding to hitters what once belonged to pitchers exclusively: ownership of the inside part of the plate.....pugnacious, violent, surly blacks who threaten and physically assault pitchers are usually tossed along with the pitcher in a disgusting spasm of sports socialism that would've been unheard of 30 years ago.
This is why I wanted to see a Yankees-Giants series. I wanted to see Bonds facing Clemens, who's maybe the last remaining pitcher who intimidates hitters with inside heat and purpose pitches....who, more importantly, ASSUMES ownership of the plate and brushes aside any weak-sister criticism of his 'meanness' as so much Jewish horse-puckey, which it is. Clemens understands that this is how a pitcher pitches....the way Big Train and the Dean boys and Feller and Gibson and Drysdale pitched....and everything else is just pointless feel-good, it's-nice-to-be-nice bs.
I don't think anybody's telling pitchers to "let the minority poster-boy hit it"; they don't have to. They've been making sure none of these guys is ever taught how to pitch....and the umpires are there to punish any pitcher who learns how on his own. Thus, Bonds' 6 homers in a (disgraceful) World Series marked by poor play and pinball-machine scoring.
2002-12-12 14:43 | User Profile
Excellent posts IR and Roger. I just wanted to add to Bonds' recent "success"....and you've both mentioned this guy shows up in spring training 'roided up and 250lbs. No! We can't have a White man(McGwire) holding the HR record!! NO!! But, as I remember, the Press gave Big Mac a hard time for alleged steroid usage. No such thing for Black Barry I guess......so...... SF Giants owners:" Let's get rid of Candlestick Park!! Yes! Too much unpredictable winds there, so, let's shore in the fences of a new park, engineered to perfection to eliminate Mother Natures' contempt for home runs in SF!!!Yes! Bonds will wuv us!" Selig: "Barry, you don't have much time left, O Great one. Get on the steroids, since we're building you a new ballpark with a 300ft right field, and break that damn white man's record of 70hrs!! Oh, don't worry, I'll force every NL manager to bring up AA pitchers to fill out their Hispanic quotas, and Barry, you'll have spaghetti and plenty of meatballs served every day!!" Bonds: "F**k you Selig" Selig: "Barry, shall I kiss thy ass now or post-season?"
I had the privilege of attending the NY Rangers vs Chicago Blackhawks last night. Hockey is an all White sport, save 1 to 3 current non-whites in the league somewhere, but it dawned on me that the NHL gets the least possible national coverage of any pro sport! Mmmm I wonder why? Even those hideous WNBA lesbos gets more national TV coverage.
As for the NFL, I notice every year that the THUG culture within the league grows bigger and bigger. That Warren Sapp piece of dung, as good a player as he might be, gets a free press pass to bash Whitey. He's a nigro with a chip, but he's all bark and no bite. He's a punk. He'd been hanging out in front of Herman's bar on 125th St, pimpin' whores and wife beatin' if that moron wasn't in football. But the rabbis of media portray him as a model of sportsmanship. F them.
Currently, Bret Favre is one bad White mutthaf'er. I like him alot. He gets right in blackey's face and takes no schitt from the monkey men. And the monkeys know it. Gotta love 'em for that alone.
2002-12-12 17:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Dec 12 2002, 08:43 **the NHL gets the least possible national coverage of any pro sport! Mmmm I wonder why? **
Very simple. It's a regional game with limited appeal to Yankees and Canadians.
I'm sure hockey is a great game, but I didn't grow up with it, and for me it's kinda like soccer. It just seems foreign.
2002-12-12 22:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 12 2002, 04:09 Roger, I'd forgotten it was you who'd posted that Bonds stuff a few months back. Suffice it to say I don't mean to appear like I'm deriding you: just the opposite. You don't post enough **for my money; always much food for thought in what you say.
Insofar as baseball goes, YES I find it hinky that:
offensive #s have skyrocketed post-strike;
the New Elite is comprised of 38-year-olds posting career numbers;
guys show up at camp 50 pounds heavier with half the body fat percentages (can you say "Lenny Dykstra", kids?);
and most everything else you cite. But I don't think any World Series pitcher would knowingly serve one up in Bonds' wheelhouse, Commissioner's orders or no Commissioner's orders. To me, the culprit has been a gradual-but-relentless cultural change within baseball: to wit, pitching inside has become unofficially equated with Jim Crow and the color-line, ie, a holdover from the Bad Old Days when White Men Ran Things. Nobody is specifically teaching young pitchers the art of backing a hitter off the plate; worse, no one is teaching them the philosophy of pitching inside. Ie, the inside part of the plate naturally belongs to the pitcher and he should have NO squeamishness about dishing out chin music to any batter crowding him out of what is rightfully HIS.
Now let's look at the last 20 years. Showboating chimpanzees routinely charge the mound at the merest provocation in an unquestionably-racial metaphor (the next time you see a black hitter charging a mound with a black pitcher on it, beep me, willya?).....umpires are so hair-trigger zero-tolerant towards brushbacks that it seems like their primary function is to issue warnings, not calling balls & strikes [and I submit that a generation of umpiring that increasingly criminalizes pitching inside is going to, consciously or unconsciously, shrink the strike zone since they are now ceding to hitters what once belonged to pitchers exclusively: ownership of the inside part of the plate.....pugnacious, violent, surly blacks who threaten and physically assault pitchers are usually tossed along with the pitcher in a disgusting spasm of sports socialism that would've been unheard of 30 years ago.
This is why I wanted to see a Yankees-Giants series. I wanted to see Bonds facing Clemens, who's maybe the last remaining pitcher who intimidates hitters with inside heat and purpose pitches....who, more importantly, ASSUMES ownership of the plate and brushes aside any weak-sister criticism of his 'meanness' as so much Jewish horse-puckey, which it is. Clemens understands that this is how a pitcher pitches....the way Big Train and the Dean boys and Feller and Gibson and Drysdale pitched....and everything else is just pointless feel-good, it's-nice-to-be-nice bs.
I don't think anybody's telling pitchers to "let the minority poster-boy hit it"; they don't have to. They've been making sure none of these guys is ever taught how to pitch....and the umpires are there to punish any pitcher who learns how on his own. Thus, Bonds' 6 homers in a (disgraceful) World Series marked by poor play and pinball-machine scoring.**
Il Rag, my point about the Angels serving up HR's to Bonds was not to say the commish ordered it - it was to show that they gave him HR's when they felt it couldn't hurt them. They pitched around him when it looked like he could hurt them (men on with an open base, one run game) and then fired it up the pipe when Bonds was at the plate with empty bases. The overwhelming majority of Bonds' homers in his record season were in insignificant situations, not game breaking moments. Perfect time to toss a meatball without being questioned. If you get a chance to look at Bonds' 73'rd homer of '01, watch. The Dodger pitcher was so irritated by what went on, he lobbed a 40 mph softball down the middle. The manager screamed at him, and he was reprimanded after the game. NO COMMENTS to the media. Off the record he said it was his way of showing what he thought of the record season, he said it was all "fake". Quite funny actually.
Yeah, the brushback is disappearing, that helps offense - and it keeps one from seeing white guys throw at black's and mestizo's noses. It would be funny to see some of these arrogant nogs try to charge the king of the headhunters, Don Drysdale, at his peak. If they weren't ko'd by the pitch, his sheer size would overpower them. And he was intimidated by no one. Clemens would have no compunction against firing one straight between Bonds' eyes. If that happened, Bonds would move toward the mound, acting like he wants to retaliate, but he'd let his teammates grab him, and pretend it was them that kept him from fighting Clemens. Bonds is a poseur, only getting physical with guys 50 to 60 pounds lighter than his current steroid bloated self.
I didn't mind the series too much, only because Bonds lost. The scoring in the series is reflective of the poor pitching, diluted pitching I would say, now the norm in the majors. I'll give the Angels credit for their comebacks. Many teams visibly fold mentally in similar situations. Besides, did you notice the Angels are the whitest team in baseball? Maybe that says something.
Hockey? Great sport, attendance is better than the NBA enjoys. The Negro Basketball Assholication has been dropping in attendance for years, that's why Stern (behind the scenes) asked Jordan to come back and play with the Wizards. No joke. If Hockey were actually promoted like the other sports, it would be just as popular. The NBA became popular because of the constant hammering away of the propaganda machines, not only because of Bird and Magic. The fact that the Kings and Ducks draw crowds in snowless Southern California shows the sport has appeal.
Xmetalhead, the THUG culture grows because the media portrays any element of black "culture" as cool. If some white ran around like these, he'd be castigated all the way to the north pole. Sapp is an idiot, but the media portrays him as some type of in your face rebel against whitey. It's the ... well, jews way of rubbing it in your white faces, boys. All the images you see on the tube are the result of conscious decisions.
Favre, tough guy. His arm is demonstrably stronger than Vick's, yet that title is being bestowed upon Vick's shoulders as well.
Funniest Vick quote of the year (this was also shown on Leno): Vick: "I have two weapons; my arms, my legs, and my brain!" That says it all.
2002-12-12 23:06 | User Profile
Of course, Tex, you're right about hockey. Americans don't grow up playing it.
But the fact that it is almost all-white gives it a little extra appeal. One of the reasons that a Stars game is such a great date is that the chick gets to check out all the cute white athletes, instead of having to sit there and speculate about Troy's sexuality.
2002-12-12 23:17 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Dec 12 2002, 23:06 **Of course, Tex, you're right about hockey. Americans don't grow up playing it.
But the fact that it is almost all-white gives it a little extra appeal. One of the reasons that a Stars game is such a great date is that the chick gets to check out all the cute white athletes, instead of having to sit there and speculate about Troy's sexuality.**
LOL. I've heard hockey players called a lot of things before, but "cute" ain't one of them. Which is actually to their credit, BTW.
Tex, have you checked out an Aeros game? They're not bad at all, and really rather cheap.
Best, P
2002-12-12 23:33 | User Profile
LOL. I've heard hockey players called a lot of things before, but "cute" ain't one of them.
They're not all cute.