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Thread ID: 3814 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2002-12-03
2002-12-03 05:26 | User Profile
[url=http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readarticle.cgi?101+6615]Free Republic Losing Its Impact[/url]
What a long way Free Republic has come! From its birth in 1996 as what began as just a place where hardcore conservatives to post the latest news and analyze it, Free Republic two years later had a significant role in the neutralization of the Clintons - as it became the organizing point for enormous protests ridiculing Bill Clinton over Monicagate everywhere he went in the U.S. early in Monicagate throughout 1998. Some top liberals even blame Freepers for Al Gore's defeat.
Very early in Monicagate, Freepers brought Free Republic out of just being a sort of giant cybercafe for dissidents to talk things over - and made it into a very-effective organizing point for giant protests against liberals and liberalism, like the one in Houston at a Clinton fundraiser that not only like most greeted Clinton with hundreds of dissidents ridiculing him for his adultery and perjury, but even found a fire engine to hang a giant sign on that read "Bill Clinton Is A Four-Alarm Fraud." Freepers in Florida hung a giant sign on a cabin cruiser to float in a strategic position just offshore a fundraiser of his there. And here in North Carolina, about 30 Freepers picketed an Al Gore fundraiser in Raleigh's Volvo district in May 1999 - some dressed as Buddhist monks. The Clintons/Gore Regime just couldn't escape the conservatives from hell.
Other liberals were no luckier. The "Rosiecott" that ended Corporate America's willingness to indulge leftist politics was in large part organized on Free Republic. Freeper-organized boycotts were to Rosie O'Donnell's career what a later gay boycott was to advice-talk radio host Dr. Laura's.
But - just six years after its founding, just four years after the height of its power - Free Republic today is largely a total waste of time. As a reader commented, it isn't accomplishing anything anymore - with the giant protests against liberals formerly organized on it by Freepers over; as he agreed last week, the sole positive things it now does are to provide rapid dissemination of news, even from small-town dailies, to dissidents everywhere - and to guide dissidents to the various dissident newspapers that really are hardcore.
Some social issues are almost unmentionable on Free Republic today. More than one Freeper has griped that posted articles on immigration often just disappear. Other Freepers have been just blacklisted from Free Republic - for offending the sensibilities of founder Jim Robinson or the small clique under him that largely actually runs Free Republic now.
Today, Free Republic is every bit as handicapped as founder Jim Robinson - but by another problem. To all too many Freepers now, anyone calling themselves a Republican is God's brother - and cannot be criticized, no matter how Clintonesque their views on many social issues may be. And to all too many Freepers now, Pres. Bush really is God - uncriticizable, no matter what.
To make Free Republic great again, a number of things have to happen. First, all involved - from ordinary Freepers to "JimBob" himself - have to accept that having an ® next to one's name doesn't make a politician beyond criticism. Second, all involved must also accept that Pres. Bush isn't God. And then, all Freepers must commit to doing again what made Free Republic great - hounding any politician at odds with Red Nation's masses on social issues; if that means picketing Pres. Bush everywhere he goes if he hints at amnesty for illegal aliens or tacit support of racial quotas, that's what it takes.
Free Republic didn't become great by being a Chinese-style "Democracy Wall" for dissidents to post articles from "mainstream" newspapers to and then discuss them. It can only became great again the same way it originally got great.
I know - la de da de da. There does seem to be an awful lot of smoke lately though about FR - who knows maybe there's some fire about the actions of the Benedict Arnold of the right.
2002-12-03 12:17 | User Profile
The author of the [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts]article[/url], long time freeper [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profile?u=8021]glc1173@aol.com[/url], has of course been banned, presumably because there was some opposition to mixed marriages on the Alamance website. I saw it coming when one of FR's resident Congoids showed up on the thread and started his crap. Watching White freepers prostrate themselves before this monkey gives you some insight as to why the Whites in Wichita acted the way they did when the Carr brothers came calling.
2002-12-03 17:50 | User Profile
What does TOS stand for?
2002-12-03 17:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by Javelin@Dec 3 2002, 17:50 What does TOS stand for?
The Other Site
Its a term for Free Republic I first became aware of over at Liberty Forum.
2002-12-03 18:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Dec 3 2002, 17:59 > Originally posted by Javelin@Dec 3 2002, 17:50 What does TOS stand for?**
The Other Site
Its a term for Free Republic I first became aware of over at Liberty Forum.**
Thanks.
2002-12-03 18:28 | User Profile
glc1173@aol.com signed up 1998-08-10. This account has been banned.
I was following that thread and I wondered how long Maggio would last. They didn't delete him immediately, but within a day or so on that thread as it raged, they finally axed him. I guess too many neocons kept hooting and hollering about him to the moderators until the mods finally decided to ban Maggio. The thing is that the same "peace" can be had on many threads by banning the same small clique of people who do all the hooting and hollering. Instead of banning Maggio, they should ban the real disruptors, like Cultural Jihad and Texasforever.
And what's with Willie Green bending over backwards to get people banned, condemning "racism" with every breath, and so on? He claims to be a "Buchananite," but he sure does prostrate himself before the neocons. That's probably why he's still there on the site. He must be solely an "economic" Buchananite, because I notice he's interested in the trade issue and such, but he doesn't seem to be a "cultural" Buchananite.
2002-12-03 19:03 | User Profile
I found the FR thread on this story here:
[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts[/url]
2002-12-03 21:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Dec 3 2002, 12:28 ** And what's with Willie Green bending over backwards to get people banned, condemning "racism" with every breath, and so on? **
Willie's always been afraid of the truth when it comes to race. If memory serves, he applauded Rabinsohn's banning of Bell Curve discussions. He may be black, I'm not sure, but I am sure about [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts?page=140#140]rdb3[/url], who goes from thread to thread compiling lists of Whites who dare to attempt to have honest discussions about race issues. Somebody needs to tell him to go f**k himself, but the Wichita victim types at FR don't seem to have the nerve.
2002-12-03 23:58 | User Profile
Iz RimJob a liberal afterall?
**To: Sabertooth
Maybe not, but a wall is a wall. Hey, let's build the "Great Wall of America." Seal off the entire border. Build a double 12 foot high electrified razor wire fence all around America, the former land of the free. Install machine gun posts and search lights every 20 yards. Patrol it with police dogs and storm troopers. Install poison tipped bamboo booby traps and land mines between the fences. Kill and mutilate anyone who dares approach. The totalitarians have their police state and we have ours. Hurrah for Kruschev!
96 posted on 12/03/2002 1:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/799887/posts?page=96#96]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/799...osts?page=96#96[/url]
So, protecting America's borders is akin to Kruschev!?
2002-12-04 00:13 | User Profile
From that FR thread:
**To: Drill Alaska
EtherZone is a joke. That entire website is full of far right nut jobs and fruit cakes. Nobody but the most rabid knuckle dragging partisan wackos take anything on it seriously. Please don't pollute this great website with this intellectual fluff designed for consumption by ravenous idelogues and fire breathing political hacks.
5 posted on 12/03/2002 1:34 PM EST by That Subliminal Kid [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
[url=http://www.etherzone.com]Ether Zone[/url] must be doing something right to generate that kind of hysterical, not-so-subliminal reaction from "That Subliminal Kid."
2002-12-04 02:29 | User Profile
Another from the above referenced thread:
**To: Spiff
I've never heard of any of those people and doubt that what they think will sway my opinion one way or the other. I am opposed to war with Mexico. I am opposed to walling in America. I am opposed to militarizing our borders. I am in favor of voting out as many Democrats as possible. I am in favor of replacing as many liberal judges as possible with conservatives. I am in favor of rolling back about a hundred years of liberalism. I am confident that if all of this happens, then many of the problems currently associated with illegal immigration will be solved or, at least, reduced.
I do not believe that the "end of western civilization" is near or that closing down immigration is the salvation of mankind.
351 posted on 12/03/2002 9:02 PM EST by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 348 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
I do wonder what he means by "rolling back a hundred years of liberalism." I advocate the same thing, but he seems to side with the elements who post on his site that scream that the "bad old days' were racist, anti-Semitic, nativist, etc." when they see what it really means to truly "turn the clock back."
To his credit, though, at least he advocates repealing the 17th Amendment.
2002-12-04 04:31 | User Profile
PaleoconAvatar,
Great Post! The Neocons attack "Liberalism" yet they will never attack it's Fruit!
I do wonder what he means by "rolling back a hundred years of liberalism." I advocate the same thing, but he seems to side with the elements who post on his site that scream that the "bad old days' were racist, anti-Semitic, nativist, etc." when they see what it really means to truly "turn the clock back."
Yes I too want to "rolling back a hundred years of liberalism."
Yep to the "bad old days' were racist, anti-Semitic, nativist, etc."
"The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow" [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=3508&hl=crow]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...&t=3508&hl=crow[/url]
2002-12-04 04:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Dec 3 2002, 23:54 > I do not believe that the "end of western civilization" is near or that closing down immigration is the salvation of mankind.
351 posted on 12/03/2002 9:02 PM EST by Jim Robinson **
Of course not, Jim. You're much more concerned about the security of Israel's borders and Israel's ethnic composition than America's. Or at least you do a good job faking it when you read the lines scripted by your friends veronica, siggy, sakic, cachelot, and sabramerican. And when you're not busy waving the Israeli flag, you sit around fretting over how to ensure that today's left-cosmopolitan politicos have an "R" instead of a "D" next to their names.
In short, what befalls "western civilization" is way down on your list of worries.**
Take it to Sam Francis! :lol:
2002-12-04 05:04 | User Profile
**To: Spiff
I've never heard of any of those people and doubt that what they think will sway my opinion one way or the other. I am opposed to war with Mexico. I am opposed to walling in America. I am opposed to militarizing our borders. I am in favor of voting out as many Democrats as possible. I am in favor of replacing as many liberal judges as possible with conservatives. I am in favor of rolling back about a hundred years of liberalism. I am confident that if all of this happens, then many of the problems currently associated with illegal immigration will be solved or, at least, reduced.
I do not believe that the "end of western civilization" is near or that closing down immigration is the salvation of mankind.
351 posted on 12/03/2002 9:02 PM EST by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 348 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
Well, RimJob and his fellow travellers may find themselves a minority at odds with an increasingly outraged Middle America real soon. What he and infinite dunderheaded FReepers fail to understand is that illegals are putting a tremendous strain on state budgets for everything from emergency health care to incarceration to who knows what else, and the states are getting zero support from fedgov on controlling the borders. Pete Wilson tried in California by opposing the Motor Voter thing and championing Prop 187, only to have the Feds fight him on it. This all was bad enough in good times, but now that the brown stuff has hit the whirling blade and state revenues all over are in the tank, it's painfully acute. If El Presidente doesn't get off his butt and do whatever is necessary to stop the flow, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Tancredo run for governor in a western state and put his National Guard troops on the state borders. Heck, it's cheaper than letting them in to breed like cockroaches and drain the coffers.
If RimJob were really committed to rolling back liberalism, he'd realize that Washington is aiding and abetting the bankruptcies of state governments and fights any measure the states take to reduce their own financial liability. If that isn't statism, then I don't know what is.
2002-12-04 05:05 | User Profile
**I am opposed to war with Mexico. I am opposed to walling in America. I am opposed to militarizing our borders. **
Hell, I'm too busy taking money out of envelopes to wax my car, and the O'Brian kid wants fifteen bucks an hour to build my new deck!
**I am in favor of rolling back about a hundred years of liberalism..... **
....by defending a hundred years of liberals, down to the last 18-year-old.
2002-12-04 07:57 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Dec 4 2002, 02:29 **Another from the above referenced thread:
**To: Spiff
I've never heard of any of those people and doubt that what they think will sway my opinion one way or the other. I am opposed to war with Mexico. I am opposed to walling in America. I am opposed to militarizing our borders. I am in favor of voting out as many Democrats as possible. I am in favor of replacing as many liberal judges as possible with conservatives. I am in favor of rolling back about a hundred years of liberalism. I am confident that if all of this happens, then many of the problems currently associated with illegal immigration will be solved or, at least, reduced.
I do not believe that the "end of western civilization" is near or that closing down immigration is the salvation of mankind.
351 posted on 12/03/2002 9:02 PM EST by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 348 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] **
I do wonder what he means by "rolling back a hundred years of liberalism." I advocate the same thing, but he seems to side with the elements who post on his site that scream that the "bad old days' were racist, anti-Semitic, nativist, etc." when they see what it really means to truly "turn the clock back."
To his credit, though, at least he advocates repealing the 17th Amendment.**
I have no doubt what Jim Robinson means to do when he uses this little mantra "repealing 100 years of liberalism". It means that, like most of the GOP establishment, he wants to appear conservative enough to get the money and support of the activists by opposing "liberalism" but at the same way not offend the political mainstream by pretending there is a "kinder, gentler" way of implementing conservatism. And of course anyone who points out the flaws of his logic, like glc1173, he throws off his forum.
Politically, Jim Robinson in other words behaves like the classic kommissars used when the KGB's in totalitarian countries send representatives to "coordinate" or control previously independent organizations. Who gives a s*** what he postures regarding the election of U.S. Senators? If he isn't a good contendor with Kristol for the anti-Christ by now, he certainly is a highly placed evil angel. :angry:
2002-12-05 04:07 | User Profile
Originally posted by Current93@Dec 5 2002, 03:36 Matt Maggio Jewish?
Apparently, if Recluse is truly right about him being glc1173, though I'm not sure how many Maggio's there are in Tel Aviv.
I'm not sure why he got banned from FR. He must not have been stridently pro-Israel enough (unlike anti-immigration jews like DennisW), since according to JohnRob that's one of the requirements for being anti-immigration on FR.
2002-12-05 04:32 | User Profile
**Matt Maggio Jewish? **
I went to school with a Jewish "Smith" and a Jewish "Johnson", so nothing surprises me. They are a race of tricksters, you know.
2002-12-05 04:57 | User Profile
RimJob is a lowlife, as anyone familiar with his biography would infer. Therefore he sympathizes with his soul brothers, illegals from Mexico.
2002-12-05 14:41 | User Profile
I thought someting was wrong the first time I saw FR, and did not see immigration listed as a Topic.
2002-12-05 20:20 | User Profile
**Matt Maggio Jewish? **
Well, the editor of the Akron Jewish News is Linda Maggio.
[url=http://www.jewishakron.org/news.htm]http://www.jewishakron.org/news.htm[/url]
As for Matt Maggio in particular, I don't know. He could have addressed the question here, but didn't:
[url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/our-constitution/message/7491]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/our-constitu...on/message/7491[/url]
2002-12-05 22:40 | User Profile
Maggio's a Jew:
**Free Republic losing its impact
Posted by glc1173@aol.com** to Willie Green
On News/Activism 12/01/2002 7:59 PM PST #527 of 869
"Please elaborate on your concept of "mutant kids"." Let me give you an idea what happens - in cases where the kid at least looks like both parents, so at least he isn't not accepted by classmates of any race.
My former rabbi explained it this way. Jewish/Christian intermarriages invariably end up in hassles over how the kids should be raised. If the kid is raised in both religions, he ends up confused. If he is raised in neither religion, he ends up with no religious values as he goes through adolescence. The divorces actually produce files over 2" thick (last I saw one) over who gets kids for which holidays this year.
Think such upbringing creates well-adjusted teenagers and young adults?
And glc1173@aol.com (Maggio) is the author of the article:
Posted by glc1173@aol.com to Howlin On News/Activism 12/01/2002 5:40 PM PST #412 of 869
"You've avoided answering whether you wrote this article." Yes, I wrote it. Yes, I stand by it. I remember FR from when any politician embracing liberal social causes could count on a good Freeping anywhere he showed up for a public event. (I was in Freepings of Algore's 1999 Raleigh fundraiser and a later one of Jackboot Janet Reno at Duke when she spoke at a commencement there.)
FR cannot be great again just by being a chat room. To return to what made it great under the Klintons, it has to again picket any politician embracing liberal social causes - even if that's Jorge on guestworkers or amnesty for illegal aliens.
As for the comparison to the Rhinoceros Times, what in Alamance County is comparable - if Alamance Independent isn't? The print weekly Alamance News sure doesn't resemble Rhino; instead, it's largely a middle-class society paper of wedding coverage.
Maggio's a [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts?page=661#661]CofCC supporter[/url] , and IMO, one of the reasons why they stay away from Jewish issues.
2002-12-05 22:57 | User Profile
[img]http://www.freedom-usa.net/freeper_pics/images/rally1.jpg[/img]
Hey Rimmy, still got that sign? ITZ more applicable than ever!
2002-12-05 23:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by Recluse@Dec 5 2002, 22:40 **Maggio's a Jew:
**Free Republic losing its impact
Posted by glc1173@aol.com** to Willie Green
On News/Activism 12/01/2002 7:59 PM PST #527 of 869
"Please elaborate on your concept of "mutant kids"." Let me give you an idea what happens - in cases where the kid at least looks like both parents, so at least he isn't not accepted by classmates of any race.
My former rabbi explained it this way. Jewish/Christian intermarriages invariably end up in hassles over how the kids should be raised. If the kid is raised in both religions, he ends up confused. If he is raised in neither religion, he ends up with no religious values as he goes through adolescence. The divorces actually produce files over 2" thick (last I saw one) over who gets kids for which holidays this year.
Think such upbringing creates well-adjusted teenagers and young adults?
And glc1173@aol.com (Maggio) is the author of the article:
Posted by glc1173@aol.com to Howlin On News/Activism 12/01/2002 5:40 PM PST #412 of 869
"You've avoided answering whether you wrote this article." Yes, I wrote it. Yes, I stand by it. I remember FR from when any politician embracing liberal social causes could count on a good Freeping anywhere he showed up for a public event. (I was in Freepings of Algore's 1999 Raleigh fundraiser and a later one of Jackboot Janet Reno at Duke when she spoke at a commencement there.)
FR cannot be great again just by being a chat room. To return to what made it great under the Klintons, it has to again picket any politician embracing liberal social causes - even if that's Jorge on guestworkers or amnesty for illegal aliens.
As for the comparison to the Rhinoceros Times, what in Alamance County is comparable - if Alamance Independent isn't? The print weekly Alamance News sure doesn't resemble Rhino; instead, it's largely a middle-class society paper of wedding coverage.
Maggio's a [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798782/posts?page=661#661]CofCC supporter[/url] , and IMO, one of the reasons why they stay away from Jewish issues.**
I once saw on his site all these missing jew pix