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Thread ID: 3790 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2002-12-02
2002-12-02 03:10 | User Profile
As I've brought up previously, and as anyone who has ever visited Buenos Aires or Mar del Plata can tell you, Argentina is a White European nation,only located in South America. The Jew-engineered complete dismantling of the economy (followed by a near-total exodus of Argentinian Jews to Swindler Central's desert stronghold to await their new assimilate-and-destroy assignments) has now led to the kind of Holocaust that the Jewish media has made an art form of not noticing is even happening. The once-common sight of white starvation & degradation in Jew-ravaged husks of nations is a historical truth our lemmings have been assuring themselves could never happen again, so long as we extend full partnership privileges to the Tribe.
But Argentina isn't an anomaly but a portent for ALL of us, and another harsh lesson that you can only sweep so much sh*t under the carpet before you can't get your front door open. It goes without saying that the $15 billion we're about to kiss goodbye to in a one-way, no-deposit-no-return loan to Ariel the Butcher would be better pissed away in aiding outr own racial kin from the kind of penury NO white person should be subjected to - if you're going to ship money one-way, better to Argentina than Israel. Yet we all know the Argentines don't stand a prayer. Wrong time, wrong color, wrong "faith". And didn't they welcome escaping Nazis once? Well that clinches it. Let twenty million starve for the Holy Six and call it 'justice': The Holocaust is not mocked.
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/01/business/yourmoney/01BART.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/01/business...ney/01BART.html[/url]
For Wary Argentines, the Crops Are Cash By LESLIE MOORE
UEBLO ESTHER, Argentina -- THEIR hens are too old to lay eggs and they till their fields with a 33-year-old tractor, but Roberto Natale and his wife, Mabel Ciribe, are sitting on what has become this country's most precious currency. This season they bartered 44 tons of soybeans and a used car for a shiny four-door Toyota Hilux pickup. Next year, they hope to swap soybeans for a harvester.
"The only thing we have is soybeans," Ms. Ciribe said. "Without them we wouldn't have bought the pickup."
With the collapse of the peso nearly a year ago, corn, soybeans, sunflowers and wheat have become a preferred legal tender in Argentina, often more welcome than cash, because they are priced in dollars. Despite some concern from the government, the nation's farmers and agriculture businesses, which constitute one of the country's richest economic sectors, are bypassing the dysfunctional banking system where they can and are venturing into swap contracts known as trueques (pronounced tru-E-kays), to keep business going.
"It's like a return to the Phoenician era," said Sebastián DÃÂaz Riganti, a grain broker based in Buenos Aires. His family-owned company, DÃÂaz Riganti Cereales, has completed $168 million in deals among farmers, corporate customers and grain exporters this year, he said. Almost 60 percent of his business is based on bartering, up from 30 percent last year.
Automobile sales have slid 61 percent this year, but rural dealerships say bartering has helped to cushion the blow. Many independent auto dealerships began taking grains in lieu of cash months ago. Ford Motor, General Motors and Toyota Motor have started countrywide sales pitches and are teaching employees how to swap vehicles for grains. Last month, DaimlerChrysler joined the trend with its "Grain Plan," which allows customers to use grain to buy Mercedes-Benz, Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles sold in Argentina.
"This form of trade goes back to the very beginning: you give me a pencil and I'll give you a glass," said José Alberto GarcÃÂa, an accountant at Giorgi Automotores S.A. in Rosario, Argentina's grain capital, about 200 miles north of Buenos Aires. "After the peso devaluation, we were all standing around looking at each other and not selling cars. We had to do something," he said. In three months, the Ford dealership has swapped 50 vehicles for grains.
Pla S.A., a farm equipment maker in Las Rosas, about 275 miles north of Buenos Aires, has exchanged $9.5 million in farm machinery for corn, sorghum, soybeans and wheat. For cash, it sells cereals to grain exporters but keeps grains on reserve. "Instead of money in the bank we have grains," said Miguel ÃÂngel Priotti, Pla's head of finances. Pla bought two Toyota pickups with grain and intends to buy five more for its company fleet.
"At first we were skeptical, but bartering is a more practical and efficient method of selling your product and getting what your company needs," Mr. Priotti said. "Even if banks started lending again, we'll do business this way."
Sales at the Argentine operations of John Deere have dropped almost 50 percent this year, and barter sales are all that sustain them. "Without grains trade, we wouldn't sell as much as we have," said **Sebastián Malamud, an accountant in John Deere's Rosario office. He said 95 percent of deals this year were bartered. **
Mr. Malamud reworked spreadsheets to log tons of corn, soybeans and wheat in place of cash. "But that was easy," he said. "The toughest part was convincing our home office that swapping grains made sense."
A futures and options firm in Rosario, bld Brokers and Consulting, began issuing trueque contracts in June and expects to complete 200 deals by year-end. "It's very revolutionary ââ¬â money has lost its value," said Edgardo Mondino, the concern's trade director.
The notion of money has become whimsical in Argentina, where at least 12 currencies are in use. Some provinces began making their own currencies last year to pay employees, although such money is generally accepted only in the home province. El Cronista, a financial newspaper, recently reported that $2.1 billion worth of nonpeso currency issued by provincial governments is now circulating.
City dwellers have also discovered grain as an alternative currency. Ana MarÃÂa Berardozzi, an advertising executive in Buenos Aires, sold her country home for grains. "It was something of a shock ââ¬â my mind is still in pesos or dollars, not sunflowers and wheat," she said. "To go from what looks like a first-world economy to one where people swap things is a rude change."
Sancor Seguros, an Argentine insurance company, intends to swap grains for premiums, and an Argentine insurer owned by HSBC is considering a similar plan. Alejandro Carrara, a Buenos Aires watch dealer who sells Rolexes and Piagets, wants to swap grains for watches. "It seems like a joke, but a small group of farmers is very interested in trading grains for luxury watches," Mr. Carrara said.
MS. BERARDOZZI and many others who accept trueques never actually see their grain. Farmers deliver it directly to exporters, who then pay merchants, in pesos, the dollar value of the crops. The sum is calculated based on the dollar-peso exchange rate (currently about 3.5 pesos to the dollar) and grain prices on the world market.
Although the barter system is more inconvenient than payment through cash or credit cards, merchants prefer grain barter contracts because they help minimize the risk of losing money if the peso falls in value before a deal is completed.
Argentina's government keeps no statistics on barter contracts. But authorities are inspecting corporate trueques and may revise tax laws if they detect a leak in tax revenue, said Jorge Speraggi, a spokesman for the Federal Internal Revenue Administration.
The agricultural industry has prospered since the peso was formally devalued from its one-to-one parity with the dollar in January, and "it has to assist the country so it can emerge from the crisis," Mr. Speraggi said.
Argentina's economy has shrunk by almost one-fifth in the last four years, and unemployment has reached 24 percent. Although there are signs that the economy has bottomed out ââ¬â industrial production has increased for six consecutive months and bank deposits are growing because of attractive short-term interest rates ââ¬â political hazards are obscuring recovery. President Eduardo Duhalde, Argentina's fifth president in less than a year, has said he will not seek election next year. An election date has not been set.
Alberto Bernal, an economist specializing in Latin America at idea- Global, a consulting firm in New York, said, "There's some mild recuperation, but there's still too much uncertainty."
But of the chaos, farmers have emerged as partial winners because their harvests are priced in dollars. They were further helped by drought in the United States last summer, which strengthened international grains prices and helped compensate for inflation and a 20 percent tax that Mr. Duhalde placed on agricultural exports. Agriculture accounts for almost 65 percent of exports.
Losers were suppliers who had granted dollar financing, such as Monsanto's Argentine operation, which reported a $150 million loss from loans that had been converted from dollars into pesos, according to the company. Monsanto now hedges currency swings with grains. "Grains are more reliable than cash," said Máximo Vázquez, a grains trader at Monsanto.
The increasing popularity of corporate bartering reflects the mistrust of the banking system among farmers. The mistrust spread after the banks imposed severe limits on account withdrawals last year. Argentines lost billions after their dollar savings were converted into pesos by government decree.
Banks have loosened restrictions, but many people are leery, preferring to stash dollars at home or in banks abroad. The peso has lost almost two-thirds of its value since January, although it has held stable since June.
Argentina's agricultural industry has all but abandoned banks. "Before the crisis, money flowed between farmers, banks and suppliers, but money doesn't circulate like that anymore," said Mario Arbolave, editor of Márgenes Agropecuarios, an agricultural finance magazine. "The banks are out of the loop."
Some farmers are holding onto their harvests, reluctant to deplete what are essentially dollar-valued savings. "We have doubts about Argentina's currency," said Mirta Pavicich, a farmer in Córdoba province. "Grains in a silo are better than money in the bank."
Rosario's Bolsa de Comercio, a grains exchange, calculates that one-fourth of this year's soybeans have gone unsold; at this time last year, just 10 percent remained.
Many economists criticize barter, saying it hampers growth. "Only in a primitive economy does bartering work" without creating inefficiencies, said Jagdish Bhagwati, an economist at Columbia University.
Others say the bartering trend in a modern country like Argentina is worrisome partly because it is more expensive in the long run. Andres Victorica, an economist and pricing analyst in the Buenos Aires office of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, said the use of money reduces the cost of doing business because of money's inherent convenience.
"Bills are easier to carry around than beans and corn," he said. "If I go to the movies I can pay with cash ââ¬â and not with grains."
Still, in economically volatile Argentina, bartering has at times appeared to be the only viable way to do business, and few expect the swapping to ebb.
"If a travel agency came to us and said they wanted to be paid with corn I wouldn't be at all surprised," said Adrián Seltzer, a trader at the Buenos Aires office of Granar S.A., a grain brokerage firm.
2002-12-02 16:06 | User Profile
Many economists criticize barter, saying it hampers growth. "Only in a primitive economy does bartering work" without creating inefficiencies, said Jagdish Bhagwati, an economist at Columbia University.
Ha ha ha!
So says someone comfortably ensconced in the ivory tower and with a full refrigerator at home. If there was ever a better example of the blatant disconnect between academia and reality, I don't know what it is. Let's see, since the banks and gov't have screwed the people over by essentially declaring their savings worthless (i.e. involuntary conversion from dollar to peso) this guy thinks they should just abandon the only thing that seems to be working at the moment because it's "inefficient?" Granted, it's a lot harder to steal 500 tons of grain without anyone noticing than it is to electronically purloin someone's savings, but is that really such a bad inefficiency?
rban,
Maybe they are a bunch of mestizos, I wouldn't know, never having been there, but the Argentinians I know seem to be a lot smarter than, say, your average Brazilian mulatto, that's for sure. I would gather that corruption and brutality in that country was no small result of foreign meddling during the Cold War, when any government, no matter how awful, would get U.S. love and support, so long as it was nominally anti-communist.
By the way, I wouldn't piss on the Argentine military too much. With some 30-year-old planes and a handful of missles and bombs, they gave what was ostensibly NATO's most powerful European member a nice black eye. Do the names Atlantic Conveyor and Coventry ring a bell?
2002-12-02 17:05 | User Profile
rban - Nonsense. Argentina is WHITE. I've spent time in Beunos Aires and Rosario. Great places, devestated by Jewish bankers and journalists.
Predominantly Spanish, with a large number of Italians and Germans.
They do suffer from a lack of effective leaders. Their decision to invade Las malvinas in 1982 was a stupid catastrophy.
I trained one of their Navy pilots. Great guy. Emilio Jorge del Real. Big handsome stud. Great pilot.
I think they need another Peron type, but with no skeletons. He was a pervert, and Evita was a whore from the old Sawdust Trail.
2002-12-02 18:32 | User Profile
A century previous Argentina's economic output on a per capita basis approached that of the United States, if it did not exceed it. Likewise for Australia. Argentina at the time was an English fief. But the country was run honestly and intelligently. But their moment of infamy came when Peron seized power. He more than anybody else ruined that country.
Ed Toner is right about the ability of the Argentine's pilots. Even the British complimented them on their skill and bravery.
2002-12-02 19:22 | User Profile
rban on Irv Rubin:
You are all heartless people. A man slits his own throat & is suffering, and what do you do? Cheer? Guys, how about showing some humanity and feeling compassion for a change?
rban on millions of gentiles:
Let them starve. And rejoice in it, don't mourne.
rban on the laws of probability:
I AM NOT A TROLL !!
Whew. Am I glad that's settled.
2002-12-02 19:28 | User Profile
I can certainly see the United Slaves of AmeriKa following the exact same demise as Argentina. Lose all of our cash and kill each other for a dead cow. Itz coming. One thing is for sure: Argentina is well past Amerika on the road to recovery now that the Jews have all but picked up and left Argentina for dead.
PS, The best thing to do on OD is to completely ignore Mr HinduJew himself, RBAN. Simply do not respond to anything he ignorantly posts and this truculent pest will go away.
2002-12-02 20:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Dec 2 2002, 19:28 One thing is for sure: Argentina is well past Amerika on the road to recovery now that the Jews have all but picked up and left Argentina for dead.
The Jews have not abandoned Argentina:
[url=http://www.jdc.org/news/argentina-a.htm]http://www.jdc.org/news/argentina-a.htm[/url] "Observers say as many as 20,000 of the 200,000-strong Jewish community could emigrate to Israel in the next three years, particularly if the economic crisis deepens here and Middle East violence subsides."
At the most, and only if certain conditions are met, only 10% of the Jewish population are expected to leave, and at that only the poorest.
Argentina has been on this spiral even before Peron showed his face. The country, and Uruguay too, was built in the 19th Century on a get-rich-quick scheme where European immigrants showed up and tried to milk the country dry, anticipating a return to Europe. It worked out well as long as the British Empire subsidized the scheme through cattle purchases, but it collapsed when nothing solid was built afterwards.
V.S. Naipaul discussed much of this at length in his essays on South America. His latest book includes these articles.
Of course, one aspect everyone is overlooking is, given that Argentina is practically an all-white country, the magical genes clearly failed to take effect here and make it a paradise on earth.
Best, P
2002-12-02 23:21 | User Profile
Here's a good background on Jewish depredations in Argentina-
[url=http://www.jeffsarchive.com/Jews%20and%20Communism/The%20Tragedy%20of%20Argentina.htm]http://www.jeffsarchive.com/Jews%20and%20C...20Argentina.htm[/url]
Lying, cheating, swindling, media control, corruption of government- the standard Jew M.O.
2002-12-03 01:46 | User Profile
If Argentina is white, then I resign immediately as a member of the white race.
Demographic Information Capital: Buenos Aires Area: 1,073,518 sq mi (10x Arizona) **Population: 34 million 85% white 15% mestizo ** Life expectancy: 68 for men; 74 for women Literacy: 95% Per capita income: $7,290 Economy: Meat, grain, oil seed, hides, wool; produces abundant food for consumption and exports; among world top five exporters of grain and beef. Religion: 90% Catholic 2% Protestant 2% Jewish Language: Spanish
Factor in our blacks, mestizos, Asians, Hindus, Arabs (plus illegals of every shade) and I'd say they're whiter than we are. Like us, however, it's in that last 2% that you find the seeds of Argentina's doom.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Sabu.
2002-12-03 02:01 | User Profile
**And how much of that 85% is PURE white? **
Ganges white? Don't be ridiculous, those are the whitest of all whites, safely in place in America's convenience stores and MIS departments.
But white enough. You know, it's simple math: 95% literate minus 15% mestizo; remainder, 85% Caucasian.
Hey....you still here?
2002-12-03 15:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 3 2002, 02:01 But white enough. You know, it's simple math: 95% literate minus 15% mestizo; remainder, 85% Caucasian.
Yes, Argentina's a white nation, but that still begs the question: How did it fall into such a mess if white genes are so naturally superior?
Best, P
2002-12-03 15:29 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Dec 2 2002, 20:37 **XMetalhead, so which am I , buddy? Mr. HinduJew....let's see, that could mean half of each...I know! How about Jewish father & Hindu mother? Asshole, rebut my arguments if you can, don't resort to name-calling!
If Argentina is white, then I resign immediately as a member of the white race. Our job as members of this forum is to make our race look good. By linking ourselves to those losers, we achieve the opposite. Much better to degrade them, call them mestizo savages, and let them starve.
I don't have anything against them, I just think they are incompetent in every way....whether it be running their economy (into the ground)
As for the Falklands, yes, their air force performed reasonably well. Their ground forces, though,...well, we were only able to transport about 10,000 troops such a long distance and they were able to force the cowards to surrender. Reason, of course, is racial superiority...our guys were Britsh and a large number of Indian (Gurkha) troops, so basically a completely Aryan force confronting what I believe to be a bunch of worthless half-breeds... you guys insist they are white, but even if so they are by your admission not 'real whites', just a bunch of Spanish & Italian types.
Just goes to prove who the real Master Race is...**
RBAN, Shut the fk up already with your sickening anti-White, dirty Indian Hindu, rat eating cow worshipping fukking mud people. You stupid ignorant son of a beeeotch, get a fugking grip on reality and realize YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT TO REBUTT. INDIA IS A DISGUSTING DIRTY FILTHY PEST HOLE THAT CIVILIZATION GAVE UP ON. Yea, right!! the 'whites' in India are more Aryan than Germans, Irish, Italians and English in Argentina!! Ha ha hahahahaha....... What the fck is your point rbanhole?????????????????????????????? Why the f*ck are you here??????????????????????????????????????
2002-12-03 15:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by Polichinello@Dec 3 2002, 10:08 > Originally posted by il ragno@Dec 3 2002, 02:01 But white enough. You know, it's simple math: 95% literate minus 15% mestizo; remainder, 85% Caucasian.**
Yes, Argentina's a white nation, but that still begs the question: How did it fall into such a mess if white genes are so naturally superior?
Best, P**
You know why? Because this whole side of the fukking world doesn't belong to US Whites, that's why. The whole hemisphere was cursed from Columbus' first foot step. Let's think about that...... Old Irish Proverb: "Things got bad, go bad" Ancient Indian voodoo jungle Aztec schit spun on White conquerers to ensure eternal blight on this whole God forsaken land mass where there isn't enough eternity to ever right the wrong. The genocided souls of millions and millions of Indians does not go unnoticed to God Almighty. (No, I'm not turning into a Leftist! It's the reality factor.) Whether Argentina is 85% White or 85% Mestizo....don't matter. South America is Cursed land. And I'm inclined more often now to say North America as well.
2002-12-03 21:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead@Dec 3 2002, 15:38 [You know why? Because this whole side of the fukking world doesn't belong to US Whites, that's why. The whole hemisphere was cursed from Columbus' first foot step. Let's think about that...... Old Irish Proverb: "Things got bad, go bad" Ancient Indian voodoo jungle Aztec schit spun on White conquerers to ensure eternal blight on this whole God forsaken land mass where there isn't enough eternity to ever right the wrong. The genocided souls of millions and millions of Indians does not go unnoticed to God Almighty. (No, I'm not turning into a Leftist! It's the reality factor.) Whether Argentina is 85% White or 85% Mestizo....don't matter. South America is Cursed land. And I'm inclined more often now to say North America as well.
I'm afraid I don't buy into this cursed-by-God argument - if it were true, just about every nation would be so cursed, since people have been committing genocidal acts since the beginning of time. Let us also remember that Europe, our continent of origin, is facing the same mortal threats we are. Is Europe likewise cursed? And what about these rich, powerful zhids descended from the kosher butchers who exterminated the Philistines in the Old Testament and the Ukrainians during Jewish Bolshevism? If these filthy scum are cursed, then I wanna be cursed, too, g-ddamn it.
The history of the planet is a long record of races killing for living space and the resources vital to survival. The White race is no more guilty than the others. In fact, we need yet another bloody upheaval if we're going to continue to exist in this remorseless world.
2002-12-04 02:38 | User Profile
I consider myself to be a New Messiah, to lead wayward souls back to the Path of Righteousness & Purity. I close this with an uplifting slogan, which translates into 'Victory to India'.
Do the orderlies know you've wandered off?
2002-12-04 13:53 | User Profile
*You may talk of gin and beer When you're quartered safe out 'ere An' you're sent to penny fights and Aldershot it But when it comes to slaughter You'll do your work on water An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im thats got it Now in Indias' sunny clime Where I used to spend my time A servin' of Her Majesty the Queen Of all them blackfaced crew The finest man I knew Was our Regimental bhisti Gunga Din
The uniform 'e wore Were nothing much before An' rather less than 'alf 'o that behind For a piece 'o twisty rag an' a goatskin water bag Was all the field equipment 'e could find When the sweatin' troop train lay In the siding through the day An' the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyeballs crawl
Wi the bullets kicking dust spots on the green You squidgy nosed old idol Gunga Din
With 'is mussik on 'is back 'e would skip with our attack 'Ee'd be standing fifty paces right flank rear
When the cartridges ran out You could hear the front ranks shout Hi ammunition mules - and Gunga Din
It was Din Din Din Here's a beggar wi' a bullet through 'is spleen 'E's kickin' all around an' chawin' up the ground For Gawds sake get the water Gunga Din
I sha'nt forgit the night When I dropped behind the fight Wi' a bullet where mi' belt plate should ha' been
'E lifted up me head An' plugged me where I bled An gave me 'alf a pint of water green It was crawlin' and it stunk But of all the drinks I've drunk I'me gratefullest to the one from Gunga din
An' a bullet came and drilled the beggar clean
An' just before 'e died
I 'oped you liked your drink says Gunga Din 'E'll be squatting on the coals Giving drinks to poor damned souls 'An I'll get a drink in hell from Gunga Din
Though I've belted you and flayed you By the living God that made you You're a better man than I am Gunga Din*
....now fetch me something cool to drink, you blasted squidgy-nosed wog!