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2002-11-30 23:05 | User Profile
From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, available online at: [url=http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/1102/30flag.html]http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/1102/30flag.html[/url]
Confederate re-enactors to protest Klan rally
By JANITA POE Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer November 30, 2002
The Confederate battle flag has been associated with two main camps: Southern heritage organizations and hate-based associations such as the Ku Klux Klan.
Now, a Confederate army re-enactors group wants everyone to know they think the Klan has misrepresented the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism and bigotry. Today, the 37th Texas Cavalry re-enactors plan to protest a Klan march in Biloxi, Miss.
"The Klan, the skinheads and other groups like them have been given a free pass to use the Confederate battle flag in any way they choose," said Michael Kelley, 52, a Pascagoula engineer and colonel of the re-enactors group. "Good Southerners have said we will ignore these people and they will just go away. But they haven't, and we've decided it's time to take a stand."
City of Biloxi spokesman Vincent Creel confirmed that the Klan had obtained a permit to march today. Klan members at the national headquarters in Harrison, Ariz., and in Mississippi could not be reached for comment earlier this week.
The anti-Klan demonstration brings new attention to an ongoing and testy debate over the meaning behind the Confederate battle emblem. Throughout the South, opponents of the flag have argued that it is a symbol of hate. Want proof? Just go to any Klan rally, they say, and count the Confederate flags.
But many Southern heritage groups maintain that the flag is a important reminder of the thousands of soldiers who fought for their region. Over the years, they say, the Klan has adopted the flag as their own and given African-Americans and other minority groups the impression it is a racist symbol.
"They're trying to misrepresent the Confederacy," said Kelley, who says Native Americans, African-Americans and Jewish-Americans served in the Confederate army. "The fact is, the Confederate army was not a sea of lily-white Protestant faces."
Not all Southern heritage groups support an anti-Klan protest.
Wayne McMaster, Mississippi division commander for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, said his organization will not participate in the protest.
"We try to portray ourselves as Southern gentlemen," McMaster said. "I do not think it would be appropriate to get out there and get in a shouting match with the Klan."
McMaster said he expects "only a few" protesters at the march.
A counterdemonstration is not necessary for his group, he said, because the Sons of Confederate Veterans already have distinguished themselves from the Klan.
"We take a stand every day," McMaster said. "We have been working very hard for the last 15 years to keep the flag flying, and we work very hard to try to educate people about the flag."
But Kelley said many people do not understand that Southern heritage groups do not want any association with the Klan. After the protest today, Kelley said he plans to continue organizing demonstrations against the Klan's use of the battle flag. "People used to associate Southerners with the founding fathers. Now what comes to mind is the KKK and white supremacy," Kelley said. "We're going to make this the first in a long line of winning the war in restoring the honor of the South."
2002-12-01 07:33 | User Profile
"They're trying to misrepresent the Confederacy," said Kelley, who says Native Americans, African-Americans and Jewish-Americans served in the Confederate army. "The fact is, the Confederate army was not a sea of lily-white Protestant faces."
Obligatory reference to Jews noted. Kelley, what are you trying to prove? Yeah, I really believe that the armies of the CSA looked like a cross between the IDF and the Army of Ghana.
**Not all Southern heritage groups support an anti-Klan protest.
Wayne McMaster, Mississippi division commander for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, said his organization will not participate in the protest.
"We try to portray ourselves as Southern gentlemen," McMaster said. "I do not think it would be appropriate to get out there and get in a shouting match with the Klan."**
Translation: true Southern gentlemen don't lower themselves by staging politically correct street theater for the consumption of the mass media.
Kelley said. "We're going to make this the first in a long line of winning the war in restoring the honor of the South."
According to whose definition of honor? The definition established by what former congressional candidate Jim Giles correctly labels the "Yankee/Jew media?" This is another classic case of someone trying to beat their opponent (the Left) by adopting their opponent's values. They're trying to win "peace" from being harassed as "racists" by the Leftist media, but it will always be a fragile and fleeting peace, held in place only by the ever rising level of groveling Kelley and crew are willing to perform. And the demands of the Left are never satisfied since Whites, by definition, are always guilty. This accomodationist strategy won't bring peace and it sure as hell won't produce victory, just embarrassment for the spirit of the Old South.
2002-12-01 07:41 | User Profile
Translation: true Southern gentlemen don't lower themselves by staging politically correct street theater for the consumption of the mass media.
Yeah, that's kinda how I interpreted McMaster's comments, too.
2002-12-01 22:51 | User Profile
PaleoconAvatar,
Great Post!
"Yeah, I really believe that the armies of the CSA looked like a cross between the IDF and the Army of Ghana."
More proof the "Southern Movement" is full of fools and morons. Their may well be good reason to dislike many of these "Klans" but to join forces marxism and taken up Marxist Frankfurt School anti-"Racism" is plan foolishness of the worst kind.
Also see:
Rainbow Confederacy? Not! [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20011010192609/http://members.aol.com/GrayFox65/rainbow.html]http://web.archive.org/web/20011010192609/...65/rainbow.html[/url]
2002-12-01 23:18 | User Profile
These guys want to wave their stars and bars and not be called racists. Too bad. Whenever the POWERSTHATBE see a Confed flag they see Klan hoods and these public expressions of pas d'amis a droit won't and don't do a thing to change a single mind.
2002-12-01 23:33 | User Profile
I think a new living history unit should be formed --- one which would demonstrate the necessity for the original Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction. I'll bet a number of N-SSA types would join --- Billy Yank as well as Johnnie Reb. I remember hearing that during the Centennial a group of Maryland Confederates were overheard saying "Let's all go down to the York, Pennsylvannia camp and sing the 'Horst Wessel' song." :D
2002-12-02 03:27 | User Profile
Fliegende Hollander,
Great Post!!! People have problems with this suject. Just look at the case of Thomas Fleming! :lol:
A Review of White Like Me
Dennis Wheeler comments on the original article by Dr. Thomas Fleming
...Dr. Fleming's next point was: "Black Americans have a perfect right to hate the original Klan, but they should understand that those postwar conflicts were part of a conquered people's struggle to defend itself. It was only accidentally a struggle between races." He made this statement directly after saying: "The original Klan was a national liberation army made up of ex-Confederates and their younger brothers who refused to accept their status as a subjugated people."
Until it's explained better, this statement seems to show more dislike for Southern nationalism than anything I've heard from the white nationalists. Here were our people, our Confederate soldiers and their brothers, struggling to preserve themselves from the new order as best they could, and now Dr. Fleming is saying the blacks have a right to hate them for it. What gives?
Actually, the original Klan won an important victory, although the full imposition of the Confederate ideology and the restoration of the original America did not ever come to fruition. But the original Klan ran the Union troops out of the South by 1877. This allowed the Southern states to regain control of their internal affairs. And what was their reaction to this newfound freedom? They instituted Jim Crow and saved America from the implementation of the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act for nearly 90 years.
By 1927, the President of the United States led a procession of several hundred thousand robed Klansmen down Pennsylvania Boulevard which showed how that white America had buried the hatchet from the Civil War and were committed to maintain their control over this country. But the North "broke faith" again after WWII by allowing Asians rights of citizenship and then imposing Civil Rights legislation on the South to the detriment of the entire country and Western civilization...-Dennis Wheeler
url: [url=http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/articles/white.htm]http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/articles/white.htm[/url]
2002-12-02 04:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Nov 30 2002, 23:05 **"The fact is, the Confederate army was not a sea of lily-white Protestant faces."
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"Lily-White Protestant Faces"
Nothing like wagging the red heifer's tail, huh Mikey??
2002-12-02 04:44 | User Profile
The irrelevant versus the ineffectual. Another good reason why the South will never rise again. Grovel before ZOG's idols, boys, and maybe they'll let you keep your Confederate flag and allow you to dress up and play soldier. Most likely they'll repay you by making the public wearing of Confederate uniforms yet another punishable act of "racism". Regionalism is for losers. Neither Blue nor Gray, just White! Anything less is capitulation to ZOG's policy of divide et imperia.
2002-12-02 14:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by NativeExile@Dec 2 2002, 04:44 The irrelevant versus the ineffectual. Another good reason why the South will never rise again. Grovel before ZOG's idols, boys, and maybe they'll let you keep your Confederate flag and allow you to dress up and play soldier. Most likely they'll repay you by making the public wearing of Confederate uniforms yet another punishable act of "racism". Regionalism is for losers. Neither Blue nor Gray, just White! Anything less is capitulation to ZOG's policy of divide et imperia.
My sentiments exactly. Good Post.
2002-12-02 16:55 | User Profile
I just got back from a family reunion of sorts in North Louisiana. While there we spent some time driving around the back highways visiting old family cemeteries, homes, cotton fields and such. Wonderful to see how many good folks still fly the colors in that part of the country. Say what you want to about 'em, but it sure lifted my spirits a little.
2002-12-02 17:16 | User Profile
You are so right, TD. I really miss East Carroll Parish.
2002-12-02 17:31 | User Profile
I knew a guy in college from Transylvania.
I was mainly in Ouachita Parish, then on-down into Franklin and Rapides. Pretty country, that's for sure.
2002-12-04 04:37 | User Profile
The SPLC on Sons of Confederate Veterans and Sothern Groups infighting.
A House Divided [url=http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=454]http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=454[/url]
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