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Thread ID: 3676 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2002-11-25
2002-11-25 00:51 | User Profile
source: [url=http://gnxp.blogspot.com/2002_11_01_gnxp_archive.html#85708756]gene expression weblog[/url] (i was going to post the graph here but it wouldn't take .bmp format images, so follow the link, second post down).
2002-11-25 01:44 | User Profile
Leveller, while we're all familiar with "What Brown Can Do For You!" when it comes to blacks and Hispanics and crime, be careful when using stats and charts provided by "La Griffe Du Lion". I should clarify this by saying be careful when using stats and charts that involve jews. That site (or individual running the site) intentionally disregards certain non-flattering info regarding the yahoodis when putting together articles about them (although the crime info is generally honest). Case in point, there is an article at the site about the IQ's of NYU graduates, and of course the usual discourse on jewish IQ - with one omission. The article is written in such a fashion as to make it seem the SD (standard deviation) of jewish IQ's is 15 points as it is for whites. The SD for jews - and for E. Asians for that matter is about 8.6 points. This is a dirty little secret that the yahoodis, and not a few asians, like to hide or ignore, as it explains why so many of the truly top people in so many fields are white (not to mention the low level of creativity amongst these groups, and their lower scores than whites on certain analytical tests ... shhh, don't tell anyone). There are a higher percentage of whites with IQ's over 160, than the percentages of jews and asians in that range amongst their populations. The same disingenuous tactic is used when explaining Ivy League school admission policies. If Harvard and a few others admitted students based purely on grades and test scores, jews and asians together would be about 15% - 18% of the student body, not the 60% now seen. I can give you a link to look at the breakdown if you like.
However, that said, crime out here in beautiful Los Angeles is really taking off - the recent 10 day stretch of warm weather (mid 80's to mid 90's) no doubt has brought the fun loving, friendly sun peoples into full native mode, as we have had 20 murders in the last 8 days. All of them "hispanics" (almost all mexicans of course) and blacks. No white killers, and amazingly enough, no white victims this week. Of course, this is because the shootings have been gang related, and drug related. The whites become a factor when the murders committed during robberies hit full swing, as they become targets due to having jobs, and therefore money.
On an amusing note, I did see two white guys attack two black guys Friday night in Hollywood. I don't know what precipitated the incident, but the whites jumped out of their ... yes, pickup truck, and charged a van with a couple of groids. One large white guy belted the driver's head around - the black in the passenger seat jumped out, and was rocked by the other white guy. The passenger got up, and did the usual in a fair street fight when it comes to black and mexican machismo - took off running like a native in a Tarzan movie. The other black managed to drive his van across the street, through a red light, and roll up onto the sidewalk. The white guys ran after the van, kicked some mighty big dents in the door while the driver cowered and the passenger decided to keep running. The evil white pair finally ran back to their pickup and drove away. Very unusual, as usually it's groids and taco heads on the attack, guns in hand. If a news crew had video, you would have been warned that the "... shocking video you are about to see is reminiscent of footage from the 1960's, when blacks were attacked in places like Selma. Attacked only because they were asking for fairness, to be treated like their white counterparts ..." I guess the incident, if reported, will show a blip in the white crime rate, and demand full attention of the LAPD.
2002-11-25 01:44 | User Profile
This sort of solid, irrefutable proof is exactly what has to be put out in the American people's face every day. I can't believe that after two years of working in the inner city, being "jumped" numerous times by "African Americans" growing up in the neighboring suburbs, (Admittedly after one such event in my teenage years I harboured very nasty thoughts about our prognathous neighbors but the drumbeat of PCdom eventually drove them from my tender brain) , being robbed at knife point by Hispanics and having three close friends robbed at gunpoint by "African Americans" on separate occaisions I still drifted through life wondering how those "racists" could be so "ignorant" to think that we aren't all equal. It wasn't until I had to confront the harsh numerical realities of Congoid crime statistics that light began to dawn. Such is the power of the propasphere that one's actual experience in life is negated by teevee and teacher!
2002-11-25 16:44 | User Profile
Roy, I agree with you we should always be careful with statistics, and also that deviation from the mean IQ is important and often ignored when discussing IQ. Incidentally, I think it's Richard Lynn who has cast doubt on the usually stated Ashkenazi mean IQ, but I can't find a net article regarding his claim.
Max, I suppose it's worth pointing out that the relationship between the ethnic balance and level of violent crime shown in the graph - which as you say is irrefutable - itself doesn't demonstrate causation at all. To play devils advocate, does the graph just prove that crime is associated with poverty (caused by lack of opportunity for non-whites) ? I can imagine many people choosing to see it this way, especially since doing so allows them to steer clear of the really deep water, the biological component of crime differentials.
2002-11-25 17:14 | User Profile
Originally posted by Maximillian@Nov 24 2002, 19:44 This sort of solid, irrefutable proof is exactly what has to be put out in the American people's face every day
Why? Really, what would it matter? 70% of Americans:
1) want troops on the border, 2) oppose immigration 3) want affirmative action banned 4) support the death penalty.
If the elite/leaders don't care, then we won't get it. Only #4 above is active, and it's being stripped everywhere. The GOP simply tells whites "It will be worse if we're not elected!" and we follow. Stat sheets won't do anything.
-J
2002-11-25 17:22 | User Profile
**To play devils advocate, does the graph just prove that crime is associated with poverty (caused by lack of opportunity for non-whites) ? **
Isn't there a problem with this even on a hypothetical basis? It would seem to make sense that poor people might -- out of desperation -- commit property crimes to satisfy their material needs. But why would one hypothesise a causal connection between poverty and violent crime?
Why not hypothesise that -- given the correlation between poverty and violent crime -- the same factor causes both?
2002-11-25 17:35 | User Profile
Leveller, while we're all familiar with "What Brown Can Do For You!".....
I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody at OD appropriated that slogan...I just can't believe it wasn't me!
Good one, Roy.
2002-11-25 18:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Nov 25 2002, 17:35 > Leveller, while we're all familiar with "What Brown Can Do For You!".....**
I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody at OD appropriated that slogan...I just can't believe it wasn't me!
Good one, Roy.**
Thanks IR. I figured I should lighten up a bit, and stop being so dry anyway.
The first time I ever heard that slogan I was on the floor. There are so many ways to run with it - and so many ways to take apart the thinking behind it - it could fill up the OD Forum.
2002-11-25 20:39 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Nov 25 2002, 17:22 > To play devils advocate, does the graph just prove that crime is associated with poverty (caused by lack of opportunity for non-whites) ? **
Isn't there a problem with this even on a hypothetical basis? It would seem to make sense that poor people might -- out of desperation -- commit property crimes to satisfy their material needs. But why would one hypothesise a causal connection between poverty and violent crime?
Why not hypothesise that -- given the correlation between poverty and violent crime -- the same factor causes both?**
It wouldn't suit the Devil I was thinking of.
2002-11-25 23:00 | User Profile
Levelller - regarding the exaggeration of the mean IQ for Ashkenazi jews - yeah, I know the articles you're thinking of. When I have some time, I'll hunt 'em down - I have to hunt some down for Jay as well - AND dig up my copy of The Bell Curve. Here's some dry info, sorry. The authors talk about most whites with high IQ's not going to college, but there are some articles where the info was expanded and examined. Back to the Ashkenazi IQ, I am aware that is used to be listed 8 - 10 pts. above the average for whites (and E. Asians at 3 - 4 pts at the time) ... then in the late 80's to early 90's, zionists like Seligman started writing about intelligence, but fudging the numbers a bit, saying the jew average was 12 - 13 pts. above the white average, but still citing sources that stated it was about 8 points. Now the jews, while trying to pooh pooh IQ info in the mainstream, are jockeying stats, and stating the difference is 15 - 17 points! I'm even guilty of using the 15 pt. margin because it's presented so often these days as fact. Even Seligman would mention the narrow SD for jews and asians into the early 90's (less than 9 points), but now, no one talks about it. They mention the 15 pt. SD for whites, and infer it's the same for all groups, but it isn't. Anyway, it was Lynn and Flynn and a few others that have questions regarding the publicly stated mean for Ashkenazi jews. Both men also pointed out that whites, Asians and jews differed more in cognitive structure than in the actual scores obtained, especially between whites and Asians (using the white avg. of 100 as the average for some cognitive tests, jews awful at visuospatial, good at verbal tests, avg. on analytical, Asians good visuospatial, low verbal, avg. analytical, whites balanced between verbal and visuospatial, good analytical).
Also left out is the SD for blacks, which some sources have said is narrower than the SD for whites. All of requires further investigation. Then again, if we look at the real world, and see WHO commits violent crime, WHO invents and innovates, etc., most questions are answered right there. The poverty excuse has never been one I've believed. Violence and poverty are probably due to the same factors though; ** Low IQ's = impulsiveness and being present oriented, unable to think too far ahead. Couple that with jungle and rainforest genes, and we have murderous armies of rapist bone through their nose headhunters all over America - their genes dictating behaviors more at home in the Congo or along the Amazon. Take a look at the poorest white areas, the violence and crime are still nowhere near what you see in any black or mexican enclave. **So there.
2002-11-26 18:11 | User Profile
Leveller, and others- I suppose I did slip into hyperbole when I said this was "solid, irrefutable proof" since as you point out correlation doesn't prove causation. But it is important for people to be aware that the issue exists at all-one wouldn't know this from listening to NPR and other approved outlets, where the main issue is wrongfully imprisoned blacks and the looming spectre of white-on-black "hate" crimes.
But as someone else mentioned on this thread, claiming that poverty causes crime really begs the question, since the same lack of impulse control results in the behavior that cause both crime and poverty. Also, I am willing to wager that the racial statistics don't change much when controlled for income level, which I believe I have already seen demonstrated elsewhere using the Justice Department's 1998 crime stats. (I will try to find this information when I have time)
Regarding the relative impotence of the vox populi, that is perhaps a point well taken, but some antidote to the constant media brainwashing of lemmingdom has to be put out there if we are to have any hope at all.
2002-11-26 20:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by Maximillian@Nov 26 2002, 18:11 Leveller, and others- I suppose I did slip into hyperbole when I said this was "solid, irrefutable proof" ...
Not at all, I agree with you.
Originally posted by Maximillian@Nov 26 2002, 18:11 But as someone else mentioned on this thread, claiming that poverty causes crime really begs the question, since the same lack of impulse control results in the behavior that cause both crime and poverty. Also, I am willing to wager that the racial statistics don't change much when controlled for income level, which I believe I have already seen demonstrated elsewhere using the Justice Department's 1998 crime stats. (I will try to find this information when I have time).
Those stats would be great to see if you get the chance.
2002-11-26 21:40 | User Profile
Those stats would be great to see if you get the chance
I gather that the Thernstroms in America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible as well as Michael Levin in Why Race Matters provide such stats in support of their conclusion that "poverty has no real impact on crime and in many cases is inverse to the level of crime".
From Louis Andrews's review of both books:
[url=http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/feb98/lrand-race.html]http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/feb98/lr...lrand-race.html[/url]
What if contemporary urban black family structure is normal for the evolutionary background of blacks, not pathological? Anthropologist Patricia Draper has shown that contemporary urban black family structure is in many ways akin to traditional family structure over much of Southern Africa. Thus it may be, although few are willing to say it, that if traditional group norms are not forced on a differing population, is only natural to expect that their own norms will rise to the surface. It would be true regardless of the races involved. Of course, if one ignores evolution and biology like the Thernstroms and Andrew Hacker, than all this seems just foolish nonsense.
While the Thernstroms noted the huge difference in full time employment between white and black males, they offered no reason for this outcome. They note that William Julius Wilson's argument that it is blacks' lack of proximity to jobs that is the problem fails the test because other ethnic groups find jobs under similar constraints. Here Levin provides a possible answer. He argues that due to differences in the evolutionary habitat, Europeans and Asians have evolved longer time horizons. As a result, their level of concern for the future is entirely different than that which is normal for blacks.
The Thernstroms argue that "there is no reason to assume that black criminals are going out of their way to prey on whites in particular. If African-Americans are seven times as likely to commit violent crimes as whites, and there are seven times as many whites as blacks available as victims, one would expect a disproportion of this order of magnitude." Of course this does not address the issue of racial isolation and/or economic incentive. There are not seven times as many whites readily available as victims - they are only available if blacks specifically go into white areas to find their victims. This could be because of a desire to damage whites or merely because the economics makes more sense - whites typically have more resources to steal than blacks do. The Thernstroms address the causes of crime and look at the usual arguments, poverty and swiftness of punishment. They find, as Levin does, that poverty has no real impact on crime and in many cases is inverse to the level of crime. They also find that while a speedy trial may be important, it is important only in a limited number of cases. All in all they find no real causes for the huge amount of black crime, but they paint a horrifying picture of the damage it has done to black communities.
2002-11-27 13:04 | User Profile
Thanks mw, good article.
2002-11-28 23:20 | User Profile
Leveller, Roy, Jay: Most of the articles you guys are looking for are in the book called The Bell Curve Debate. The info is also posted on Yggdrasil's site. They figured out the number of Americans with varying IQ levels by looking at enrollment figures vs. actual numbers of varying test scores, factored in race, etc. Roy, it was about 50% of whites with IQ's over 130 not going to college. But they do well career wise, and so on.
The book makes some interesting reading, as it tries to rationalize info that no one likes to talk about, but at the same time posting the results of different studies. Yes, the average IQ's of jews and asians are fudged somewhat compared to actual test results, seemingly to put whites in their place. The SD of whites is much larger than jews and asians, and that seems to bother a lot of researchers, they seem almost apologetic. I wonder why? The numbers of hours spent studying differ amongst groups, as the jews and asians put in more hours per day than the majority of whites do in a week (amongst high schoolers)! Interestingly, the scores amongst asians drop the more Americanized they become. Any surprise? The jews insulate their kids against the culture they create.
Have a happy Thanksgiving.