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Centinel [OP]

2002-11-19 08:59 | User Profile

Note that the agitators are almost always on the public payroll, whether they are professors at state universities or that public defender from Tucson, Isabel Garcia. Perhaps the political process can be used to bring pressure on the state governments that allow these fifth columnists to spew their claptrap at taxpayer expense.

From Toogood Reports, available online at: [url=http://www.toogoodreports.com/column/general/stover/20021119.htm]http://www.toogoodreports.com/column/gener...er/20021119.htm[/url]

Will We Fight Civil War II Over The Southwest U.S.?

By Alan C. Stover Tuesday, November 19, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST

America is in danger of being torn apart in a second civil war. Every schoolchild knows (or at least they once knew, before education became more indoctrination than learning) that our bloody Civil War was fought because the Confederate States wanted to secede from the Union. Our Pledge of Allegiance reminds us that we are one indivisible nation.

All of that could change. There is a serious movement among Mexicans and Americans of Mexican descent to take over the Southwest and turn it into a state of Mexico or an independent nation. The region, merged with northern Mexican provinces in one version and with all of Mexico in another, is called Aztlan, after the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, or La Republica del Norte – Republic of the North. Activist Charles Truxillo, Professor of Chicano Studies at the University of New Mexico, says the new nation would include California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and southern Colorado. In an Associated Press report, Truxillo says the new nation should be established “by any means necessary.”

Another activist, Professor Armando Navarro, Department Chair of Ethnic Studies, University of California, Riverside, in a speech to Chicano activists, said that those young people “are really going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, and even in the terms of the idea of an Aztlan!”

The website In Search of Aztlan says, “economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands.” The exploiter, of course, is non-Hispanic America. “Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended.”

They also want money, “Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic, cultural and psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights.” So we now have an Hispanic version of reparations. “For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.” Mug an elderly white lady and become a revolutionary?

Chicanos already have their own nation within our nation. Maria Hsia Chang, Professor of Political Science, University of Nevada, Reno, notes in her paper, Multiculturalism, Immigration and Aztlan: “Today, there are reasons to believe that Chicanos as a group are unlike previous immigrants in that they are more likely to remain unassimilated and unintegrated, whether by choice or circumstance—resulting in the formation of a separate quasi-nation within the United States.”

The website La Voz de Aztlan notes the similarities between their people, whom they call La Raza, and Palestinians. “The primary one of course is the fact that both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories. The takeover of our respective lands by foreign elements occurred 100 years apart.” The American lands at the time were populated 80-90% American settlers and until then ignored by the Mexican government.

Aztlan is more than an idle threat from a few crackpots. Former California Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa, who narrowly lost his bid for mayor of Los Angeles, and Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante are quoted prominently on separatist websites. Young Hispanics are becoming increasingly radicalized, and the idea of creating their own Hispanic nation inspires them to join the movement.

A California school textbook, “The Mexican American Heritage,” has a redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, with Aztlan encompassing Mexico and “repatriated” U. S. states, including Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington.

Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn told Mexico's President Vincente Fox, “Our city is a Mexican city.” Those were sweet words to Aztlan activists, who consider Los Angeles the capital city of Aztlan. Mario Obledo, co-founder of the Mexican-American Legal Defense Fund, stated publicly, “California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave.” Obledo also predicted that Hispanics would be a majority in California by 2003, a possibility considering the rate of legal and illegal immigration.

The flow of 1.3 million immigrants each year into the U. S. provides more and more advocates. Most legal and illegal immigrants come from Mexico. A recent Zogby poll commissioned by Americans for Immigration Control found that almost sixty percent of Mexicans believe the Southwest United States belongs to Mexico. Fifty-seven percent said that Mexicans have the right to cross the border into the U. S. without permission. The Federation for American Immigration Reform quotes Census Bureau statistics that we will have 400 million people living in America by 2050, the increase completely due to immigration. By then, we will have an Hispanic Southwest. That´s why activists fight initiatives for English in the schools, why they promote Spanish classrooms (camouflaged under the name “bilingual education”), and why they fight for unrestricted immigration. They need more foot soldiers.

Americans have tried to fight back. Californians voted overwhelmingly for Proposition 187 denying government services to illegal aliens. Art Torres, chairman of the California Democrat Party, responded: “Proposition 187 was the last gasp of white America in California.”

What will the United States do if a restive Hispanic majority in the Southwest United States takes action to secede? The secessionists have compared themselves to Palestinians, so we could find ourselves under siege as the Israelis are now. Although Professor Truxillo doubts that civil war would be necessary, he didn´t dismiss the idea. Another civil war is what we would have if we refused to surrender those states to Aztlan or La Republica del Norte or whatever they call it. It´s either that or give a part of America away as readily as Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Allan at [email=acstover@comcast.net]acstover@comcast.net[/email]

Leveller

2002-11-19 10:56 | User Profile

One thing this and similar articles never mention is why would the incomers be willing to secede, when doing so would end the transfer of assets that they benefit from by virtue of being part of the US ?

amundsen

2002-11-20 00:18 | User Profile

Originally posted by Leveller@Nov 19 2002, 05:56 One thing this and similar articles never mention is why would the incomers be willing to secceed, when doing so would end the transfer of assets that they benefit from by virtue of being part of the US ?

Good question. The South ignored such considerations. When they left the Union they had not prepared for war by stockpiling weapons or building up industry, and they had been paying more than their share of taxes into the Union treasury. If Dixie was that careless I have no doubt the Azltaners are even more foolish.

Malachi

2002-11-20 00:28 | User Profile

If White Christians try anything the Daisy Cutters will drop like rain from the sky on the Whites who dare to want to live free.

Faust

2002-11-21 01:25 | User Profile

Aztlan is Coming!

"Mexicans Say Southwest U.S. Belongs to Them" Middle American News

url: [url=http://www.manews.org/07mexico.html]http://www.manews.org/07mexico.html[/url]

jay

2002-11-21 02:10 | User Profile

Nobody's going to secede from the USA. Nobody is going to bite the hand that feeds them or get off the gravy train. Hispanics will just continue to breed and depopulate us. Then they'll get a hold of the treasury and reward themselves.

Why pull a gun out>>>>>after all, there's no resistance?

-J

Centinel

2002-11-21 02:36 | User Profile

**Nobody's going to secede from the USA. Nobody is going to bite the hand that feeds them or get off the gravy train. **

I'm not so worried about secession as I am about multiple Californias strung throughout the Southwest....crime-ridden, overtaxed, over-regulated socialist hells controlled by statist Democrats...maybe even Greens soon.

A white working person might as well be in a foreign country if they live in California, because it sure as hell doesn't feel like the US. Imagine Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado going the same way.

Middle class emigration out of California to elsewhere is a fact, not just some pulp fiction out of the back of Peter Brimelow's Alien Nation. Eroding tax bases by fed up citizens who pull up stakes and leave are happening nationwide. By the time multiple states start falling, I predict there really won't be anywhere much to go in the US--the East Coast will proabably be swamped with Muslims, and even the upper Midwest is being changed by foreigners looking for meatpacking jobs. (They also were the ones that brought the crank epidemic into the Midwest from California.) Alaska might be the only decent place left. (Heh, Vladimir Zhironovsky wants it back for the Russians, FWIW.)

When things get that bad and there's nowhere left to live without 80% taxation, the elites will probably have long since moved abroad, while many of the Jews will have moved to Israel having lost the demographics battle that they themselves fomented in the 1960s.

If the Mexican invasion isn't stopped along with the cultural Marxism that follows it, that's the kind of future America is staring in the face. Even Libertarians are coming around and saying this now.

Suplanter

2002-11-21 05:03 | User Profile

Sequoia    

Re: Mexican Chauvinism « Reply #4 on: Nov 11th, 2002, 5:32am »

In reguard to the line "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me", as a Native American US tribal Indian (Modoc), I, as well as many other Native Indians are appalled at this premise that Mexicans were in this country before the so-called "gringo".     The fact is, Mexicans are indigenous to Mexico. The Aztec civilization never lived north of the  US/Mexican border. The lands which comprise the USA were the lands of the US Native Indian tribes, which aztecs and Mayans were not, and Mexicans are not.   Ask anyone at the US Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of Indian Affairs if Aztec, Mayan or Mexican are classified as indigenous native Indians of the USA, the answer will be a resounding NO.   When the Spanish arrived on this continent they settled in central Mexico (the homeland of the Aztec), only moving into our tribal lands near the end of the 1700s, at which time they brought the first Mestizo(Mexicans) here, prior to that time (and after), our US tribes had fought for generations to keep Mexicans and Aztec out of our lands.   After the spanish pulled their rule out of Mexico in 1821, Mexico "claimed" our tribal lands "belonged" to Mexico for a very few unimportant years.   The entire "aztlan myth" which was concocted by the MEChA organization on a california college campus in the late 1960s is a pack of lies, designed specifically for Mexicans to justify the breaking of our nations laws.   The MEChA organization itself admits that "aztlan" is an imaginary place, unfortunately the damage had been done.   In reality the Aztec (of relatively small numbers) only occupied a small valley just north of Mexico City, hundreds of miles south of the US/Mexico border, and were one of the shortest lived civilizations in the history of the world.  Mexicans today have no Aztec blood, they are predominantly a mix of Mayan (from southern Mexico and Central America) and Spanish (European, and doesn't that in itself make them all gringos too?).   It is interesting that the so called "reconquestas" who tout the "aztlan" myth, utilize a "map" of "aztlan", which is in reality the map of lands "claimed" by the Spanish (gringo-European invaders), why, the Spanish were not Aztec at all, in fact the Spanish had no indigenous roots on this continent.   So these people use a map of Spanish "claimed" land to define their so-called "aztec" heritage?   It's a joke isn't it? [url=http://www.etherzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=3;action=display;num=1036472040]Sequoia post @ETHERZONE[/url]

Fliegende Hollander

2002-11-21 06:29 | User Profile

Originally posted by amundsen@Nov 20 2002, 00:18 > Originally posted by Leveller@Nov 19 2002, 05:56 One thing this and similar articles never mention is why would the incomers be willing to secceed, when doing so would end the transfer of assets that they benefit from by virtue of being part of the US ?**

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Interesting point. Perhaps Civil War II will be fought to prevent remnant White populations from seceding from the glorious multicultural federation of mudvilles passing itself off as the United States of America.

Centinel

2002-11-21 06:52 | User Profile

Interesting point. Perhaps Civil War II will be fought to prevent remnant White populations from seceding from the glorious multicultural federation of mudvilles passing itself off as the United States of America.

That is certainly a plausible scenario if something like the Northwest Territorial Imperative or the Free State Project comes to fruition out of the need for self-preservation. By the time things get that bad, you won't even recognize the US anymore, though, and most of the elites will have long since packed their bags and emigrated.

Centinel

2002-11-21 07:27 | User Profile

[url=http://www.freestateproject.org/]http://www.freestateproject.org/[/url]

Yes, I'm pretty familiar with it...it's an idea that's catching on bigtime with Libertarians, homesteaders, patriots, and homeschoolers.

I'm not too fond of New Hampshire because of its proximity to New York and Massachusetts...too easy for the multi-cultists to drive over and meddle. Also, while Vermont and New Hampshire have reputations as "Libertarian" states, they seem more of the left-Libertarian flavor....pro homosexual 'marriages,' pro-drug, etc.

I'm partial to Alaska myself. When I was stationed there in the military, it was great (All the blacks and hispanics hated the cold weather and swore they'd never return :lol: Land for homesteading and subsistence is easily available, and yes, you can do some serious farming and gardening there in the short but intense summers. (Delta Junction actually has grain farms with combines!) Alaska has three major Achilles' heels though:

1) A massive amount of land there is under Federal ownership

2) The relatively small population and permanent fund dividend has created a nanny state subculture that expects a $1000 government handout per person every year. Anchorage, believe it or not, has an immigration problem with Fijians with huge families coming in just to suck on the dividend money.

3) Too many federal employees who depend on the gubmint for their paychecks. Luckily most are just there for a few years' stint in the military....plenty of butch dyke lesbo Dept. of the Interior types up there too.

The oil reserves as a strategic (and dwindling) resource pretty much means the Lower 48 ain't intent on letting go of it.