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il ragno [OP]

2002-11-18 17:14 | User Profile

Anybody who scoffs at the notion that NYC is Israeli-occupied territory obviously doesn't get home delivery of our bastions of "journalism", particularly the heinous NY Post, whose opinion page routinely features Geo Will, Johnny Podhoretz, Dick Morris, Jonathan Foreman, and this guy among others. Rather than offer my usual crazed invective-commentary, I'll let Mr Pipes speak for himself this time.

[url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/11122002/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61867.htm]http://www.nypost.com/seven/11122002/posto...nists/61867.htm[/url]

PROFS WHO HATE AMERICA By DANIEL PIPES

November 12, 2002 -- AMERICANS broadly agree on two facts about the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq: its brutality and the danger it poses to themselves, especially the danger of nuclear attack. Disagreement arises primarily over what to do: Take out the regime now? Give Baghdad another chance? Follow the United Nations' lead?

Visit an American university, however, and you'll often enter a topsy-turvy world in which professors consider the United States (not Iraq) the problem and oil (not nukes) the issue.

Here's a typical sampling of opinion:

-Noam Chomsky, professor of linguistics at MIT and far-left luminary, insists that President Bush and his advisers oppose Saddam not because of his many crimes or his reach for nuclear weapons. "We all know . . . what they're aiming at," Chomsky said in a recent interview, "Iraq has the second-largest oil reserves in the world."

-Jim Rego, visiting assistant professor of chemistry at Swarthmore College, stated at a panel discussion that, even after Sept. 11, the U.S. government is merely manufacturing another enemy "to have an identity." Rego explained his thinking with an elegance characteristic of the Left: "I think we've run out of people's butts to kick and that we essentially want to keep the butt-kicking going."

-Eric Foner, professor of 19-century American history at Columbia University, states that a preemptive war against Iraq "takes us back to the notion of the rule of the jungle" and deems this "exactly the same argument" the Japanese used to justify the attack on Pearl Harbor.

-Glenda Gilmore, an assistant professor of history of the American South at Yale University, tells her school paper that confrontation with Iraq represents a plot to expand American power. It is nothing less, she asserts, than "the first step in Bush's plan to transform our country into an aggressor nation that cannot tolerate opposition." She concludes by quoting the wisdom of a cartoon character: "We have met the enemy, and it is us."

-Mazin Qumsiyeh, associate professor of genetics at Yale University and co-founder of "Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition," wrote in a Connecticut newspaper that "if Saddam Hussein is a dictator, [Washington] created him." He concludes that a U.S. war against Iraq would be just a diversion created by "Israeli apologists and [U.S.] government officials" who share a "tribal affiliation" (in other words, are Jewish). The only purpose of war would be to provide cover for Israel to commit what he calls "even higher atrocities" against Palestinians by removing them from the West Bank and Gaza.

-Tom Nagy, associate professor of business at George Washington University, proudly informed his university newspaper about providing aid to the Saddam regime against the United States during a recent (illegal) trip to Iraq. Specifically, he offered "estimates of the number of civilians needed to act as a human shield to protect infrastructure and buildings for Iraqi citizens."

These views are unfortunately routine for the U.S. academy, which for some decades has been the major American institution most alienated from the rest of the country. As a 1978 bestseller memorably put it, "Harvard Hates America."

Of course, professors have every right to express their opinions, however cranky and mistaken. Yet the relentless opposition to their own government raises some questions:

**The time has come for adult supervision of the faculty and administrators at many American campuses. Especially as we are at war, the goal must be for universities to resume their civic responsibilities.

This can be achieved if outsiders (alumni, state legislators, non-university specialists, parents of students and others) take steps to create a politically balanced atmosphere, critique failed scholarship, establish standards for media statements by faculty and broaden the range of campus discourse. **

[u]Daniel Pipes recently founded Campus Watch (www.Campus-Watch.org), a project to monitor, assess and improve Middle East studies in North America. [/u]


edward gibbon

2002-11-18 17:58 | User Profile

Such a luminary as Mr. Pipes must have a web site dedicated to his ego and his achievements. [url=http://www.danielpipes.org/bios/]http://www.danielpipes.org/bios/[/url] [color=red]This heinous creature befitting a taunting Jew spent the years of Vietnam War in the United States studying at Harvard. Mr. Pipes has decided this war is worthy of lives of the despicable goyim. Yet his loathesome behavior will not be challenged by the national media.[/color]

** Daniel Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and a prize-winning columnist for the New York Post and The Jerusalem Post. W.W. Norton has just published his newest book, Militant Islam Reaches America. His website, DanielPipes.org, offers an archive of his published writings and a sign-up list to receive his new articles as they appear.

Mr. Pipes was one of the few analysts who understood the threat of militant Islam ("Unnoticed by most Westerners," he wrote in 1995, "war has been unilaterally declared on Europe and the United States"). The Wall Street Journal has called him "an authoritative commentator on the Middle East," while MSNBC describes him as one of the best-known "Mideast policy luminaries."

He received his A.B. (1971) and Ph.D. (1978) from Harvard University, both in history. He spent six years studying abroad, including three years in Egypt. Mr. Pipes speaks French, and reads Arabic and German. He has taught at the University of Chicago, Harvard University, and the U.S. Naval War College. He has served in various capacities at the Departments of State and Defense, including vice chairman of the presidentially-appointed Fulbright Board of Foreign Scholarships.

Mr. Pipes frequently discusses current issues on television, appearing on such programs as ABC World News, CBS Reports, Crossfire, Good Morning America, NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Nightline, O'Reilly Factor, and The Today Show. He has lectured in twenty-five countries. **


SARTRE

2002-11-18 18:28 | User Profile

il ragno and edward gibbon,

Pipes make Kristol's smirk look charming. He's straight out of the asylum.

Did your read the following articles?

Dr Henry Makow's essay, ISRAEL'S "COVERT AGGRESSION" POLICY, in EtherZone is a must read.

Also, Jack Bernstein's article, [url=http://www.rense.com/general31/lifeof.htm]The Life Of An American Jew In Racist-Marxist Israel[/url], in Rense.com needs to be read.

SARTRE :ph34r:


Roy Batty

2002-11-19 03:53 | User Profile

If you want to see Pipes at his "best", you need to see a program run every so often on The History Channel. I don't recall the title, but the topic it covers is conspiracies, and Pipes is the front man for those ridiculing any conspiracies that implicate elites and therefore jews. His reasoning is utterly hilarious, making him come off as a looney, even as he tries to ridicule those who are speaking about the Bilderbergers, etc. No straightforward mention of jews in the program, but it's absolutely clear just who Pipes is covering for, and what he is afraid of. I wonder what his real name, his family name, is?


Mercuria

2002-11-19 07:33 | User Profile

Originally posted by Roy Batty@Nov 18 2002, 20:53 If you want to see Pipes at his "best", you need to see a program run every so often on The History Channel.  I don't recall the title, but the topic it covers is conspiracies, and Pipes is the front man for those ridiculing any conspiracies that implicate elites and therefore jews.  His reasoning is utterly hilarious, making him come off as a looney, even as he tries to ridicule those who are speaking about the Bilderbergers, etc.  

I've got a copy of that program, actually. David Ickes the Colorful Conspiracy "KooK" vs. Daniel Pipes, one of the most humorless "stiffs" you can have on any broadcast program! :D

No straightforward mention of jews in the program, but it's absolutely clear just who Pipes is covering for, and what he is afraid of.  I wonder what his real name, his family name, is?

Family name? How about the fact he rubs close, close elbows with the organization who has the most vested interested in tarring conspiracy theorists as "kooks"?

[url=http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/data/indiv/area/idmes/PIPES,Daniel.htm]Part of Mr. Pipes' bio:[/url]

Mr. Pipes occasionally discusses current issues on television, appearing on such programs as ABC World News, CBS This Morning, CBS Reports, CNN Special Events, The Donahue Show, Firing Line, Good Morning America, MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour, Nightline, and The Today Show. He serves on three editorial boards and belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Daniel Pipes is becoming the NWO's Ron Popeil pitchman for globalism and making certain things are brought to a head in the Middle East really, really fast.


mwdallas

2002-11-19 16:35 | User Profile

**the topic it covers is conspiracies, and Pipes is the front man for those ridiculing any conspiracies that implicate elites and therefore jews. **

Excuse me for noticing, but isn't "The Holocaust" a rather elaborate conspiracy theory?


Roy Batty

2002-11-21 23:39 | User Profile

Well, he's more on conspiracy cooks, and of course, Mr. "Pipes" - not to mention the History Channel Program, "Secret Societies". A little PC, but ...

[url=http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330]http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...article&sid=330[/url]

How 'Conspiracy Kooks' Became More Credible Than the White House

by Maureen Farrell November 18, 2002

During the 1980 presidential campaign, for example, the History Channel reports that Ronald Reagan repeatedly expressed a distrust of secret societies and promised that Skull and Bonesman, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member and Trilateral Commission alumni George Bush would not be offered a position in his administration. Yet during the Republican Convention, Reagan broke tradition by making a late-night dash from his hotel room to the convention floor and declaring George Bush his running mate...

"In the next 5 to 10 years, we are all going to live in a global version of Nazi Germany." - David Icke

"Basically, all the conspiracy theories about secret societies wanting to take over the world are wrong." - Daniel Pipes

Anyone who's ever tuned into the History Channel's "Secret Societies" recognizes these quotes from its opening segment. As part of the "History's Mysteries" series, "Secret Societies" is a fun, often sensational journey inside the world of would-be cabals and plots for world domination. Featuring volleyed testimony from various experts, the program mixes factual information and historical trivia with open speculation on the role secret societies may have played in these events. "Do shadowy and clandestine groups really rule the world?" host Arthur Kent campily inquires, before hinting at hidden subtext behind historical moments.

During the 1980 presidential campaign, for example, the History Channel reports that Ronald Reagan repeatedly expressed a distrust of secret societies and promised that Skull and Bonesman, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member and Trilateral Commission alumni George Bush would not be offered a position in his administration. Yet during the Republican Convention, Reagan broke tradition by making a late-night dash from his hotel room to the convention floor and declaring George Bush his running mate. The Iran hostage situation was miraculously resolved the day Reagan was sworn in.

Ever since Prescott Bush was penalized for trading with the Nazis during World War II and the words "George Bush of the CIA" surfaced on a 1963 FBI report on the JFK assassination, the Bush family has been tied to speculation. And certainly, October Surprises and Iran/Contra add to the intrigue while links between the Bushes and the Hinkleys and Bushes and bin Ladens have not gone unnoticed. Regardless how entertaining this speculation may be, however, reasonable people have historically heard the word "conspiracy" and rejected theories outright -- even those theories that later proved to be true. And given a choice between the conspiracy theorists and debunkers, they've tended to take the road less kooky.

In the History Channel-extracted exchange above, for example, CFR member Daniel Pipes clearly asserts the more sensible view. Serving on three editorial boards and working on four presidential campaigns, this author of CONSPIRACY: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From once headed the Foreign Policy Research Institute, which is funded, in large part, by conspiracy-monger Richard Mellon Scaife. Pipes is also known for his latest endeavor, Campus Watch, (http//www.campuswatch.org) wherein he actively encourages "the paranoid style" by targeting professors who don't tow his politically correct line. Monitoring Middle East Studies professors, Pipes' group scours educators' work for bias and enlists students and academics who are "interested in promoting American interests on campus" to spy and tattle. A professor who is concerned about Dick Cheney's $73 million in business transactions with Iraq (even as sanctions continued to kill 5,000 Iraqi children monthly), for example, might be wise to keep his mouth shut, else possibly be listed on Pipes' website and become besieged with hate mail and death threats. What was Pipes saying about paranoia, again?

Now that debunkers like Pipes have been linked to conspiracies to squelch dissent and Bush's official national security policy openly expresses a desire for dominance and control, is it any wonder conspiracy theories thrive? From the 2000 election to unanswered Sept. 11 questions to outright fabrications over Iraq, the president has repeatedly proven that he will lie shamelessly in order to garner more power for himself and his cronies. The shroud of secrecy under which the administration operates only serves to fuel speculation, while last minute GOP sneakiness, like the maneuvers that ballooned the 32 page Homeland Security Bill to nearly 500 pages virtually overnight, prove once again whose side theses folks are on.

One hastily added amendment to the Homeland Security bill, for example, which was rumored to have been added at the White House's request, is the provision under which pharmaceutical companies would be protected from lawsuits. Currently, 150 lawsuits have been filed against vaccine manufacturers, alleging that mercury preservatives within measles, mumps and rubella vaccines caused their children's autism (the New York Times recently dubbed this "the not-so-crackpot autism theory"). This amendment, which has nothing to do with Homeland Security, would limit compensation to $250,000.

Even more sinister, however, is that this provision reintroduces proposals which were previously rejected by most states in last years' Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MEHPA). Calling for mandatory vaccination, MEHPA allows for confiscation of real estate, food, medicine and other property; and outlines plans to herd afflicted citizens into stadiums. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson urged state legislatures to adopt the act, providing all the proof conspiracy theorists needed to prove that the U.S government was using 9/11 to impose a reign of tyranny. The mysterious deaths of 15 microbiologists following the attacks didn't help.

Yet according to the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, under this Homeland Security provision, MEHPA would be all but reborn under section 304, subsection C of the bill. Tommy Thompson would be given sweeping powers to unilaterally declare an emergency and order forced vaccinations, detainment and quarantines. Bemoaning that the provision was "snuck into the bill at the last minute," Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said, "It is hard to think of a more blatant violation of liberty than allowing government officials to force people to receive potentially dangerous vaccines based on hypothetical risks."

Some, like Dr. Len Horowitz, long ago speculated that the Bush administration might use a biological attack to suppress civil liberties. "This is standard Machiavellian theory in practice," he said. "These political and public health problems are created to effect outcomes that have been prepared for in advance and are consistent with economic, political and ideological orientations consistent with population control, better known as genocide. In summary, it is managed chaos and very deadly."

If that's too X-Filish, others merely point out how dangerous new vaccines might be, given the rise in the number of Americans suffering from neurological and autoimmune disorders since 1971, when smallpox vaccines were halted. Today, twice as many children and young adults suffer from asthma and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), three times as many suffer from diabetes, and autism has increased 200 to 600 percent. As Barbara Loe Fischer reported for the National Vaccine Information Center, a vaccine for smallpox "would be given to children already receiving 37 doses of 11 other live virus and killed bacterial vaccines, including diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus (DPT), polio, measles, mumps, rubella, (MMR) haemophilus influenzae B, hepatitis B, chicken pox, and pneumococcal vaccines." Thirty years ago, most American children were only receiving immunizations for DPT, polio, measles and rubella.

Representative Paul also complained that Homeland Security Bill "expands the federal police state" and "gives the federal government new powers and increases federal expenditures," while media watchdog groups reported that other provisions added would make requests under the Freedom of Information Act easier to squelch. Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT) said the disclosure rules represent "the most severe weakening of the Freedom of Information Act in its 36-year history," adding they had been inserted in the bill "behind closed doors." Sen. Robert Byrd also voiced concerns that the amendments would "give the president carte blanche to expand the culture of secrecy that now permeates this administration."

If passed, last minute changes to the bill would also give the federal government permission to monitor citizens' internet use, e-mail, travel plans, credit-card purchases and other personal data. Headed by John Poindexter, in the Information Awareness Office, Americans can rest assured that "bringing dignity to the White House" means hiring a five-time felon to keep an eye on them. The Information Awareness' logo, an all-seeing eye hovering atop a pyramid contains the slogan "Scientia Est Potentia" ("Knowledge Is Power") and is eerily similar to the illuminati symbol on the dollar - which fuels conspiracy theorists all the more.

"What people are going to see is going to make their hair curl," David Icke promised the History Channel. "What's been going on, in front of their face and behind their back, all their lives, while they thought a completely different story was unfolding."

After the latest example of stealth legislation designed to take away liberties under the guise of national security, our hair is already Shirley Temple tight. Provisions snuck into Homeland Security legislation make mockery of "the land of the free," and it's hopeful that the good Senators who still consider themselves public servants will apply the brakes to this legislation.

But the very fact that these provisions have been considered, and have already been snuck through the House, is troubling in itself. At the moment, conspiracy theorists seem far less extreme than those hell-bent on ruining the America we love. [COLOR=red]


Blond Knight

2002-11-22 07:07 | User Profile

Of course we have to believe that chancellor Boosh must have had a devine inspiration to have dreamed up the " Department of Homeland Security " before the dust from the WTC disaster had even settled.

Just like his predecesors, Ahab & Jezebel Klinton were able to use the OKC bombing to cow the Republicrats in congress to pass the " Anti-terrorism " legislation.

Of course, its all for "Your own good ", so just shut up and keep paying your taxes like good little boys and girls!