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Thread ID: 3424 | Posts: 28 | Started: 2002-11-05
2002-11-05 23:02 | User Profile
I just spent an amusing week or so over at LF pointing out that they were slaves of the Jews. For some reason, they didn't like it.
LF is holier than thou about freedom and a no-censorship policy, so I thought it would be interesting to put it to the test ( I was raunchy for sure - how else would it have been a test otherwise?). Their freedom is no different from anyone else's, it seems. It goes no farther than the parameters of Jew controlled discussion ever go. When I posted links to a few of the cartoons from Alex Linder's site, that was it!
It seems they also don't like what Martin Luther and Voltaire have to say. A large number of Jews in attendance (as handlers as per usual, I assume) - of course they run the agenda there just as much as they do at FR.
Anybody else been banned there?
2002-11-06 00:54 | User Profile
So the famed Liberty Forum caved in when push came to shove, huh? I'm not surprised. You should re-register under a new name, after clearing your cookies and such, and really stick it to them for a while.
2002-11-06 01:14 | User Profile
You're mean :D They are fun to kick around though... I don't know how to clear cookies and all that stuff, unfortunately. Thanks for the wicked idea - now i'm tempted.
2002-11-06 06:40 | User Profile
Welcome Gott!
2002-11-06 13:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Nov 6 2002, 00:54 So the famed Liberty Forum caved in when push came to shove, huh? I'm not surprised. You should re-register under a new name, after clearing your cookies and such, and really stick it to them for a while.
Actually, Gott is rather overstating his "victory" in my opinion. Gott is NOT banned - never was, so I suppose I overestimated your honesty, Gott. All that happened was that some of his threads were locked by a moderator who overreacted.
The moderator concerned was immediately confronted [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=307694&t=-1#Post307694]here.[/url] In the end, all Gott's threads were unlocked, although they were moved from the "News" category to a "Miscellaneous" category within the "Issues" forum as forum administrator John Deere explains [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=308109&view=&what=showflat&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post308109]here.[/url]
The only criticism I have of the actions of the LF mod is that he should have attempted to communicate with Gott before taking the action, and that he should have moved the threads to the appropriate category himself, if the category they were posted in was in reality the issue.
2002-11-06 13:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by Gott@Nov 5 2002, 23:02 ** ÃÂ ÃÂ When I posted links to a few of the cartoons from Alex Linder's site, that was it!
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Really? Is that all you did?
How about one thread for each cartoon, unsourced, and undated? How about the fact that the title was incorrect? As JD said [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=308109&view=&what=showflat&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post308109]here:[/url]
Participants on this thread should also be aware that, for technical reasons, thread heads (the post/article that initiates a thread) are not subject to the Post Ratings System. In addition, there is the issue of "ownership" of the different portions of this site. As editors/moderators, I consider our "territory" to be LibertyForum's Home Page, and the article/post Meta Data which includes an article's sourcing information and article/post titles. Within our "territory" we will give individuals a certain latitude, such as the changing of thread titles within specified guidelines, or the inclusion of preferred descriptions within the Synopsis area of an article's Meta Data. We will intervene at any point if specified guidelines for the use of "our territory" are violated (use of ad-hominem attacks or profanity in subject lines for example)
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This is reasonable in that it facilitates the location of articles by the search engine and addresses copyright/accreditation issues. Unsourced posts that are not articles or personal rants have their own categories, they are not "news" and should not be posted in an Article Posting Form.
2002-11-06 13:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Nov 6 2002, 00:54 So the famed Liberty Forum caved in when push came to shove, huh? I'm not surprised. You should re-register under a new name, after clearing your cookies and such, and really stick it to them for a while.
Gott is as free to "stick it to LibertyForum" right now as he ever has been. He was never banned. Only one person has ever been banned at LibertyForum, the banning lasted about 3 hours and the mods responsible are no longer mods.
2002-11-06 17:59 | User Profile
Hi Tex - deja vu, eh?
I said I was banned because for about 2 hours after Chapman posted his cut it out message to me - when ever i tried to log on to LF I got messages saying: there is no such member as Gott and there are no posts from this non existent member.
So, considering everything...wouldn't you, getting those messages, assume you were banned?
And, I might have been banned and the mud sucking pigs over there simply wimped out and changed their minds. When I finally did try again later that evening...what do you know, suddenly there is a Gott again and also about one trillion diarrhea mouthed messages on the locked Spam thread or whatever they call it.
I stopped believing the pronouncements of those in authority a long time ago, Tex.
Anyway, so what? I'm not banned or I am banned...the place is a fraud, just a bit more polite than FR.
So, I wouldn't pat myself on the back if I were you, either.
2002-11-06 18:12 | User Profile
Hi y'all - thanks for the welcome Faust! Maybe you are right Wintermute. I have a bad temper though and the mealy mouthed hypocrites over there are really pathetic, lots of them anyway.
Put 'genocide' or 'anti Semitism' in a pots over a good ol' LF and duck while the middle class flips out. Those PC Pavlov reactions are so tiresome. I figure for people like that a logical argument is a waste of time - the resident Jew's simply stop laughing for a second and say 'genocide' or 'holocaust' and the little gentile lemmings fall right into place. Maybe a kick in the head won't work either - but they sort of deserve a kick in the head in the first place.
Oh, and Tex...as to the many MANY ditzy little rules over at Freedom's Cradle or whatever Liberty Forum likes to pretend it is...like 'fame points'...sorry, i could give a darn about their 'rules.' I got a PM from a MODERATOR at LF yesterday, Tex...telling me all the 'rules' about changing a subject line and guess what Tex...when I was able to log back...when I was unbanned....Mr Chapman himself was very busy changing subject content lines, Tex. So tell me again about how it's the non links or the links or the links without bowing three times to the east while I link...that got my posts locked, er...unlocked....er moved. And that's today's story, Tex.
Alex Linder says (yesterday) some nice things about you guys here at OD, by the way - the only forum he knows of where there is any real freedom of speech.
Ever see the F. W. Murnau movie Faust, Faust? It is so great!
2002-11-06 18:38 | User Profile
Originally posted by Gott@Nov 6 2002, 18:12 ** Oh, and Tex...as to the many MANY ditzy little rules over at Freedom's Cradle or whatever Liberty Forum likes to pretend it is...like 'fame points'...sorry, i could give a darn about their 'rules.' I got a PM from a MODERATOR at LF yesterday, Tex...telling me all the 'rules' about changing a subject line and guess what Tex...when I was able to log back...when I was unbanned....Mr Chapman himself was very busy changing subject content lines, Tex. So tell me again about how it's the non links or the links or the links without bowing three times to the east while I link...that got my posts locked, er...unlocked....er moved. And that's today's story, Tex.
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Gott, you were never banned. Why do you keep posting that you were banned? Are you deliberately lying or are you really too stupid to know when you are or aren't banned from a forum?
I think you wanted to be banned so bad, you imagined that you were. Then you come over here to OD like a puppy with a dead bird, expecting to get patted on the head and told what a good boy you are.
That's the only charitable explanation I can think of.
2002-11-06 18:43 | User Profile
Well, I have always identified myself as a Racial Nationalist on the Liberty Forum, and no one has ever censored me. And with the exception of the resident in-house Jew-bots, no one has treated me disrepectfully either. (Fellow ODers if you ever decide to post on LF, don't waste your time with the posters OWK, penacite, Down_South, or Chookter - They're all anti-white smear artists, bigots, & liars, and I'm pretty sure at least two of them are ADL boiler room)
In fact, my experience on LF has been pretty much the opposite of yours in that my White Nationalist ideas have gotten a fairer hearing there than anywhere else on the Internet other than here. So I don't see how you can say speech on LF conforms to the usual Jew defined parameters.
Obviously I hope you keep posting, but what you're saying really isn't true or fair.
2002-11-06 18:54 | User Profile
I said I was banned because for about 2 hours after Chapman posted his cut it out message to me - when ever i tried to log on to LF I got messages saying: there is no such member as Gott and there are no posts from this non existent member. So, considering everything...wouldn't you, getting those messages, assume you were banned?
The above is the third time now, Tex...you got it yet? According the the majorly headache inducing squealing at dear ol' LF, my posts were also locked, but now they are unlocked...and moved, or is that transported? I was also told to change back all the subject heading I had changed...cuz that's another of the little rules at LF...and then IMMEDIATELY Chapman is changing subject headings. Consistent, really on top of it bunch over there.
I don't give a rat's ass if I was or wasn't, am or am not (?) banned. I thought I was banned for the reasons given above, twice, and once at the font of Freedom, LF. I think 3 times and you are out, Tex. If you still don't understand ...get clarification from the Central Committee of the Supreme LF Leadership. I'm sure they'll put together a pronouncement or decree and lock it, or unlock it.
I mean 9 PAGES of drivel at LF about me getting banned? Just how pathetic can you people be? And to go on and on and on about me while simultaneously going on and on and on about how going on and on ...about me is odious... Far f*cking out.
2002-11-06 18:55 | User Profile
Have you considered that you might get more attention by avoiding needless provocation? Drop the cartoons and the harsh language, and concentrate on ideas. That will make them considerably more furious, I promise you.
Wintermute,
You have a point here. This is why I am starting to question my support for Alex Linder.
If your desire is primarily to test the limits of expression, I suggest you begin with the 'holocaust'. There are excellent materials on the web, which for some strange reason I assume you are familiar with, that can be put to use here.
Holocaust revisionism is discussed extensively on LF - and without censorship.
2002-11-06 19:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Gott@Nov 6 2002, 18:54 **I said I was banned because for about 2 hours after Chapman posted his cut it out message to me - when ever i tried to log on to LF I got messages saying: there is no such member as Gott and there are no posts from this non existent member.
So, considering everything...wouldn't you, getting those messages, assume you were banned?
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No, but then I've been around LF much longer than you have and I haven't got a hostile attitude toward the forum. LF has been subject to a DDoS attack a couple of days ago and yesterday there was an internal software problem, which caused SQL errors.
2002-11-06 19:14 | User Profile
Dear Valley Forge - I agree there are quite a few open and fair posters over there. But there are a lot of handlers as well, and nothing that I ever either initiated or joined in on ever got very far because they step in to insult and disrupt.
I don't agree with you about censorship over there though. The MAJOR obsession with brownie points is one of the oddest things I noticed at LF. They constantly talk about their ratings, their fame points (fame points???) - the whole middle class status, face thing. Get goaded enough and react and get down rated or graded and your posts are not seen or something like that. Then the Jew step in to tell you they won, or the others step in to split hairs and prevaricate for 100 - 200 posts about the meaning of fame points and how down grading only hides your posts if you didn't click on the donââ¬â¢t hide posts icon when it blinked twice, etc.
The very complex, totally boring rules they have over there is a very real kind of censorship. If I want to talk about the non-Holocaust, I want to talk about that, and not after a 6 weeks course in LF ritual and how to run the gauntlet of sneering Jews.
And I think Linder is totally right, by the way. I only found this place because of his site. Like him, I too am furious and think I have every right to be. My country and my culture have been stolen and are on the point of literally becoming extinct, both of them. Why should Alex be reasonable? There is a place for anger and the desire for revenge. The Jews have been using both for millennia and they own us.
All I can see is fighting back or totally going under. So, not only do I think he is just being honest to express his anger, but as a tactic I think one can argue it works at least as well as the reasonable discussion argument. Reasonable discussion with brain dead lemmings? They have shock treatments for a reason, you know.
Another thing - the discussions here (I've been reading them for a while, but not participating) are invariably gentlemanly, which is exactly the same story over at Stormfront (where I talk about Wagner and such with a bunch of extremely knowledgeable guys). I was a disruptor at LF? I lurked there for a couple of weeks before registering - and about 50 percent of the time they are throwing rocks at each other. So what is so special about my disruptions?
2002-11-06 19:24 | User Profile
Gott stay here. This place fits you.
[url=http://slate.msn.com/?id=1004446] Kevin MacDonald, Psychology's Anti-Semite [/url]
2002-11-06 20:52 | User Profile
Gott,
I apologize for insinuating that you were lying. I think you were honestly mistaken about being banned, due to the forum being down yesterday, just after your threads were locked. When I first read this thread, I thought you were claiming to be banned when I knew you weren't but I can see how you thought you were.
I do think you're pretty harsh on LibertyForum, though.
tex
2002-11-06 21:23 | User Profile
Yeah, for real I'm not a nice guy. I wish I was...but I'm stuck with what I am. Not only not nice, but hot tempered and sneering and I like to fight.
I do like dogs a lot though, and hiking in mountains (when I can swing it) and classical music and good movies. And I'm a good and loyal friend to my friends and family.
I grew up 38 miles from NYC - the epicenter of the Jew nightmare in America, and I live on the East Coast which doesn't do a lot for my disposition either.
If I could find a way to live in ND or Montana...or North Italy (or anywhere in Italy), I'd be a different person. Whenever I'm out of this tense, mean spirited, ugly part of the country, I can feel myself relaxing and opening up.
So, you are right, but where else can I ever get to chat with Nationalists, with the old fashioned values I have? Around here, if I ever even opened my mouth except to my closest pals and family - I'd be dragged away. It's tough not ever being able to ...express your disgust at what has happened. It gets so bottled up, it explodes out of me.
Which, by the way, is exactly why II think) what happens to the Jews every 50 - 80 years or so is so violent and psychotic. They keep us down, they mock up and belittle us and enslave us and it builds up more ane more till it has to come out, somehow.
Best
2002-11-06 21:29 | User Profile
I bet you'd love living in Wyoming. Check it out...no income tax, and only 500,000 population TOTAL.
I used to live in Sheridan. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could.
Course, there are no jobs or anything much. Just lots of empty land, beautiful mountains and rivers.
2002-11-06 21:40 | User Profile
I love Wyoming - Montana, ND, Wyoming and Idaho should be their own country - and it would be the most beautiful country in the world. I was in Sheridan just a year or so ago and really loved it. What a GREAT town...that's what all America must have been like in the 1950s (except for the Jew coasts, of course). Such nice, civilized (and white) people, a thriving downtown with lots of small shops and what beautiful country around! I've gotten drunk in Cheyenne and Laramie a few times :D
2002-11-06 21:47 | User Profile
Did you check out [url=http://www.mintbar.com/]The Mint?[/url]
I loved that place.
2002-11-07 13:49 | User Profile
Respectfully, I'd like to warn you about this...person (?). If you reply at all, you will be goaded and goaded. She (?) is a combination of stupidity (demands citations/web addresses for things like Edward Gibbon and Martin Luther quotations, etc.) and active malice.
It is exactly people (?) like this wot make LF a very ineffectual place, and a very unpleasant place, to post/chat. Discussions get nowhere - it's permanent and extremely shrill confusion - by design of the Jew handlers (she [?] is one of them), of course. Constant yelling - insults, mockery - and so, what's the point of 'civility' under the circumstances?
I looked in there last night before hitting the hay - and they were going at each other with bricks all over the place, as per usual. They allow open discussion in a mad house where if there ever was an idea, it's immediately lost in the maelstrom.
At least bringing these tactics of the Jews into the open serves to illustrate what the true state of things are, to the nice white folk who go there.
I really don't see the point of being well bred and all that. That isn't going to defeat, or even slow down the Jews. Maybe the out in the open way isn't going to either - but I'm tired of a lifetime of internalizing my loathing for the world they have made - and for them.
I certainly hate them - with a white-hot hatred. That's how I feel, I know exactly why (it is anything but irrational), and I'm honest about it. There is something wrong with being honest??? That's the world the Jew has made.
There is the other side of this argument, you know - the civility vs. crude argument. What can any of you guys on the 'civil' side point to in terms of pushing back the tide of merde they have unloosened upon our world? I don't think being nice and being polite have ever defeated a determined foe. Bill White didn't go anwwhere this time (I'm afraid to ck Giles score). If you play by the game, you don't have a chance.
Waking up the lemmings is the only way - and shock is, I think, a legitimate way to do that, along with the self-education the Internet provides.
Cato the Elder ended every speech with 'And Carthage Must be Destroyed.' Crude hate speech - but it was the Roman Empire, not the Carthaginian, that lived and flowered gloriously for the next 1000 years - and laid the foundations for the world that is being murdered at exactly this minute by the Jews.
2002-11-07 16:54 | User Profile
Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Nov 7 2002, 05:03 > Originally posted by Penacite@Nov 6 2002, 19:24 Gott stay here. This place fits you.
[url=http://slate.msn.com/?id=1004446] Kevin MacDonald, Psychology's Anti-Semite [/url]**
We are well aware that you and your little friends are hard at work trying to turn LF into another internet tentacle of AIPAC (much like extortion and bribery by the ADL and related outfits rendered Free Republic into such an entity), but I would like to think that there are some courageous and honest men left on the internet.
Go back to holding your little candlelight vigil for Irv Rubin.**
AY,
Speaking of Jews and forum disruption tactics, did you catch this thread at LF? It's the one where the raving Jew Cachelot threatens to turn in John Deere and the Liberty Forum to the FBI.
[url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_humor&Number=301917&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=]Cachelot Warning: Calls LF Stormfront Offshoot, Vows Revenge[/url]
There's only one group that fears free speech, as far as I can tell, and that group is Jews.
2002-11-07 18:58 | User Profile
hey, think of all the lawsuits in it for Jew shysters. gotta make a living - by sucking blood.
2002-11-09 01:30 | User Profile
Gott-
Don't mean to come off harsh but, you were'nt banned so stop the Jesus routine.
I am fully in AY's camp on this. Every now and then flames are necessary, but nobody appreciates the Hollywood Nazi bit except Irv Rubin types. Its why loudmouth morons like the mentioned Down South and Penacite are so despised.
While I don't view your postings at LF (I hav'nt seen them all) as egregious, this board had a similar problem with Mr. Linder. Unwisely I stuck up for him before I read all of his comments. Throwing feces at the monitor like a primate at the zoo generally isn't appreciated except by those who post to disrupt in the first place.
2002-11-09 01:36 | User Profile
Tex, AY, Madrussian, Merc, KUSS, Texoma:
For those not in the know, Penacite is almost certainly the infamous Israeli shill Veronica from FR- or at least composed of the same krew of 'thinkers' in a basement somewhere.
Good to know 'she' has come out of the closet as a "self-hating jew" and posted at OD, the premiere "Anti-Semitic" board (so the kvetchers reg'ly shriek).
Frostfire would be so proud. As am I. But I thought you would be sitting Shiva for the loss of that great patriot and American advocate Irv 'Mesuggenah" Rubin.
2002-11-09 02:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by Campion Moore Boru@Nov 9 2002, 01:36 ** Good to know 'she' has come out of the closet as a "self-hating jew" and posted at OD, the premiere "Anti-Semitic" board (so the kvetchers reg'ly shriek).
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That gives me a really good idea for a tagline.
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=Profile&CODE=03&MID=245]Self-hating Jews post here[/url]
Hehehehe!
2002-11-09 16:07 | User Profile
Thanks for the link to the cool Sheridan saloon Tex. Never went there....next time :D