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Thread ID: 3411 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2002-11-04
2002-11-04 17:32 | User Profile
THE HECK WITH THE "NEOCON" LABEL! I AM NOT THE ETHER ZONE'S TOKEN NEOCONSERVATIVE
[url=http://etherzone.com/2002/devi111102.shtml]http://etherzone.com/2002/devi111102.shtml[/url]
By: Carol Devine-Molin
I'm a mainstream conservative, plain and simple. And we represent the majority of those who self-identify as "conservatives". Unfortunately, other ideological factions often distort the nature and beliefs of mainstream conservatism. True, I'm throwing a few Molotov cocktails, but it's really the best way to clarify matters.
In the Ether Zone forum, a fellow writer referred to me as a "self-proclaimed Neoconservative". Well hold your horses, bucko, I've come to reject that ridiculous label being used by both the Hard Left and the Hard Right to stereotype and assail mainstream conservatives, outrageously casting us as "warmongers". Yes, the term Neoconservative is now the equivalent of an insult being hurled at mainstream conservatives in an attempt to portray us as insidious "warmongers". I readily admit that I was a naive fool to have ever accepted that moniker, failing to realize the "battle cry" it invokes among extremes on both sides of the political spectrum, which I shall readily explore.
In a nutshell, the Hard Left represents dedicated liberals, and beyond that, there is little to say since a Leftist is a Leftist is a Leftist. These are the "Utopian Socialists" that believe if you give government enough power and tax monies, government can solve all problems. Now that's really scary! In reality, what you get from such a socialist system is coercion, lies, misery and dictatorship.
However, the Hard Right is a little more complicated, and is comprised of the Paleoconservatives (Buchananites, John Birchers, and other old-fashioned conservatives with their Isolationist/Libertarian bent) and the Ultra-Libertarians. The Paleoconservatives refer to themselves as the "genuine" or the "traditional" conservatives as they are the self-righteous purist, ready to impugn mainstream conservatives, and all others for that matter, that do not meet their finely tuned standards. And their definition of a "Neoconservative" morphs and changes to include anyone not in agreement with them. Now those who are hawk-ish on Iraq, whether Right or Left, are being snidely dubbed "Neos" by the Hard Right. According to fellow Ether Zone writer Justin Raimondo, "Those damn Neocons are everywhere!" Justin even believes that the Left is being assimilated into the "Borg Continuum" of Neoconservative thought. Isn't this a bit obsessive? Gotta fight those evil Neocons that are all around us! Geezz!
Notably, members of the Hard Right demonstrate little in the way of flexibility, so working within a political party is ultimately doomed. For instance, the Buchananites ran out of the Republican Party (hooray for us!), and quickly took over the Reform Party a few years back. Predictably, they have since been kicked out of there, leaving that independent party in ruins. It irks me that the liberal media (particularly television), in efforts to twist and obscure the true nature of mainstream conservatism, have Paleoconservative leader Pat Buchanan regularly hosting shows and guesting on a variety of programs. Political commentator Pat Buchanan has become the darling of the Left-leaning media, despite the fact that his views are not representative of the majority of conservatives. But Buchanan gives the Left-leaning media exactly what they want. He helps the liberals beat up on the Republican Party and mainstream conservatives. Buchanan's "on air" partnership with liberal Bill Press (MSNBC) is certainly not "fair and balanced". I'll stick with the Fox News Channel.
Up until a few months ago, I thought "Neoconservative" was a perfectly respectable term for those of us who switched parties and came into the GOP over twenty years ago, having become totally disillusioned with the Democratic Party. Many of us were relatively young and did not understand or appreciate the true nature of partisan politics until Ronald Reagan enlightened us about the pernicious Left. In fact, many of us still continue to refer to ourselves as "Reaganites" and hold the same political ideals that include: a) cutting marginal tax rates that unleashes a stimulative effect upon the economy, b ) reining in the size and scope of government, c) creating a first class, technologically advanced military, and d) exhibiting a sense of moral certitude as we go about the task of dismantling an "Evil Empire" that poses a global threat. Of course, during the 1980's, the infamous Soviet Union was successfully brought down, thus ending the "cold war" era. Now, we are fighting radical Islamists and rogue nations that work together hand-in-glove, with the goal of destroying western civilization. To use the often cited metaphor, we must "drain the swamps" (rogue regimes) that permit the mosquitos (terrorists) to flourish. Clearly, the Hard Right always revels in the opportunity to criticize our failure at reducing government. And with a lengthy "war on terrorism" being waged, it's uncertain how our nation will reduce costs and the pool of government personnel over the next few years.
Let me reiterate that we mainstream conservatives are no warmongers! The atrocities of September 11th were brought directly to our shores, killing thousands of citizens, and were perpetrated by Islamic fanatics who intend to kill us all. We are mere "infidels" in the minds of these lunatics, the equivalent of insects to be dispassionately disposed of during the course of "Jihad". Americans have no other recourse than to fight this "war on terrorism", and to seek the overthrow of dangerous rogue nations, which aid and abet militant Islamists by providing them with monies, weaponry, and safe harbor. As to the psychopath Saddam Hussein, he is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weaponry that could easily be given to terrorist proxies for the purpose of targeting America. One way or another, we need to dismantle Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. We cannot permit America to be vulnerable to a catastrophic nuclear attack.
Lastly, as I indicated in one of my prior articles, entitled "A Radicalized Ether Zone", "It's important to understand that mainstream conservatism is now comprised of a variety of camps, and that Bill Kristol (political commentator, McCain advisor, and editor of the "Weekly Standard") actually represents only a small faction within the overall movement... In terms of further bona fides, I ran on the ballot in early 1996 as a delegate for "flat tax" advocate Steve Forbes in the NY Republican primary, I can't stand McCain, I think our military should withdraw from the Balkans forthwith (leave it to the Europeans), and I probably better exemplify mainstream conservatives in background and ideology than Bill Kristol".
"Published originally at [url=http://www.etherzone.com]EtherZone.com[/url] : republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact."
Carol Devine-Molin is a Republican District Leader, a community activist, and the host of "On The Right Side", a local program sponsored by the Republicans, and seen throughout most of Westchester County, New York. She is a regular columnist for Ether Zone.
Carol can be reached at DevineMolin@aol.com
Published in the November 11, 2002 issue of Ether Zone. Copyright é 1997 - 2002 Ether Zone.
2002-11-04 17:38 | User Profile
Notably, members of the Hard Right demonstrate little in the way of flexibility, so working within a political party is ultimately doomed.
La de da de da, from the EtherZone's token neo (in spite of what she says)
Wouldn't you agree with me PA, with my old Freeper notion that articles like this need to be labeled "Barf Alert" :P
2002-11-04 18:37 | User Profile
Paul,
I took my objection to Carol directly today. I had already been in contact with her and gave her the heads up about the original post to the EZ Forum. Also I had already extended her an invite to join the private BATR Yahoo Group. After a half dozen turns going back and forth, she have not yet accepted the challenge.
Put forth the trial balloon for her to write the NeoCon position in the style of the 'Dueling Twins' series. Any wagers if she goes for the format?
Also, I have informed Ms C D-M that I will be replying to her article in my Thursday 'View from the Mount' essay. Hope you will read it in EZ or on BREAKING ALL THE RULES.
As you know I will defend friends. I will also champion the honor of a lady. Ms C D-M deserves respect as a columnist, while her argument warrants destruction to the bowels of hell.
And we thought there would be no excitement after the election . . .
SARTRE :ph34r:
2002-11-05 06:00 | User Profile
I have posted a reply to one of Ms. C D-M's statements: "We are mere infidels in the minds of these lunatics", connecting her saying that with the Tarot card message ofthe DC sniper attack.
That message was: GOD BRINGING DEATH TO AMERICAN KIDS -- which would reverse America bringing death to Iraq kids, therefore was necessarily the work of lunatic anti-infidels, which Carol Devine-Molen discovers. Since whoever set up the sniper operation, using the two black guys as guilty patsies, has created an indelible forensic trail between Catholics and Jews -- the priests Malvo called, and on the Antiqua commission; the linked shooting in the Tacoma synagogue -- and you arrive, again, at the neocon cultists identifying themselves in standard victim-psychology way with Americans under attack by Islamic extremists. And/or Protestant middle Americans, like me, who will not allow themselves to be played off against their absurd extremes.
I have asked her straight out whether she is a Jew or Catholic, and how she relates to the Pataki/Guliani-Schumer downstate chalice and yarmulka crowd. On top of the anthrax mailing to liberal Senators Leahy and Daschle, the enclosed letter of which also linked America and Israel as common enemy of presumed Islamic terrorism -- except the source of the refined Amestrain was domestic, not foreign-Arab -- this sniper incident really looks bad for them. I will not let it rest until a reply is forthcoming about both these incidents, then, about their connection with Columbine, Oklahoma City, 1993 WTC bombing and Waco. The "third party" linking Muhammed, the police, the media and us, the public, is politically spring-loaded. I say we, the real America First conservatives, around long before the Reagan clowns, pull the string on that spring- load. By that I mean, put the morally certain Podorhetz/Kristonacht/Krauthenheimer/Pearly-Perle button muttons on notice. They may be bringing sniper attacks, like Sharon's way of being brings suicide bomb kids (these are objective, external actualizations of death wishes toward Jews -- mostly kept unconscious, "under repression"; as with adult's death wishes toward kids). That might be what the Tarot card was trying to tell them, before the "3rd Party" decided a scared, lame-brain black kid did it.
Anyone who knows anyone connected with this "3rd Party". . . . had better call each other's tip line. The genii is out of the bottle. They killed cock robin.
2002-11-05 10:20 | User Profile
[AT THE COUNT OF THREE YOU WILL AWAKE, REFRESHED AND RELAXED, AND YOU WILL REMEMBER NOTHING OF THIS CONVERSATION. FROM NOW ON, WHENEVER YOU HEAR THE WORD "WARMONGER," YOU WILL REPEAT THE FOLLOWING:]
Let me reiterate that we mainstream conservatives are no warmongers! The atrocities of September 11th were brought directly to our shores, killing thousands of citizens, and were perpetrated by Islamic fanatics who intend to kill us all. We are mere "infidels" in the minds of these lunatics, the equivalent of insects to be dispassionately disposed of during the course of "Jihad". Americans have no other recourse than to fight this "war on terrorism", and to seek the overthrow of dangerous rogue nations, which aid and abet militant Islamists by providing them with monies, weaponry, and safe harbor. As to the psychopath Saddam Hussein, he is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weaponry that could easily be given to terrorist proxies for the purpose of targeting America. One way or another, we need to dismantle Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. We cannot permit America to be vulnerable to a catastrophic nuclear attack.
[ONE, TWO, THREE...]
2002-11-05 17:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by NeoNietzsche@Nov 5 2002, 04:20 **[AT THE COUNT OF THREE YOU WILL AWAKE, REFRESHED AND RELAXED, AND YOU WILL REMEMBER NOTHING OF THIS CONVERSATION. FROM NOW ON, WHENEVER YOU HEAR THE WORD "WARMONGER," YOU WILL REPEAT THE FOLLOWING:]
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:lol: Perfect reply, NN.
This is the lady whose hit piece on us a few months ago got EtherZone to remove OD from their featured links. Looks like she's back at it.
2002-11-05 22:24 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
I can assure you that C-DM had no influence in the decision to drop your OD featured link. Read the private mail on the subject.
SARTRE :ph34r:
2002-11-10 13:13 | User Profile
[url=http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/sartrejp/VIEW/id67.html]Carol Devine-Molin you are no Ronald Reagan[/url]
The 'View from the Mount' essay in reply to C D-M.
SARTRE :ph34r:
2002-11-10 13:41 | User Profile
Tex:
I know for a stone-fact that Ms. Devine-Molin had 0.00 to do w/ EtherZone's dropping the NeoCon watch link. The decision came exclusively from EtherZone's owner, and had only to do w/ other sites asking for banner-space on its front-page. The decision was made that, for now, EtherZone would only add banner-portals to sites of a certain traffic ranking.
Other sites were asking Bob Momenteller, "Well, you give OD a portal, why not us?" And he had no means by which to defend the decision (other than to say, "It's my site, f*cker, I'll link to whomever I feel like it...", which is not Bob's style.
Today, there are only TWO banners on EtherZone (other than the paid Burstnet garbage, which keeps the pennies trickling into EtherZone's coffers): WhatReallyHappened.com and FriendsOfLiberty.com (the latter, as a quid-pro-quo favor to me, for the marketing and strategic assistance I've given EtherZone, gratis, for a long time; the former, as Mike Rivero's site has an Alexa-ranking of 10,000, and gives to EtherZone quite a bit of reciprocal traffic).
I WILL ask Bob to reinstate the NeoCon watch graphic; but in doing so--and as EtherZone draws 10x the traffic as does OD--you'll have to place a prominent (small, but well-placed...not at the bottom of your Links space) portal back to EtherZone. I'll get right on this. I don't have the final say, but will do what I can.
Best, TBF
2002-11-10 18:05 | User Profile
Thanks, Todd. SARTRE had already sent me a message.
Don't worry about the EZ featured link. It's no big deal at all. Really. I was half-joking in my reply above. I'm sure there are many other sites that would generate a great deal more traffic to EZ than this one.
Thanks for the offer, though.
2002-11-12 15:51 | User Profile
Tex,
No sweat.
2002-11-13 21:55 | User Profile
Heads Up
Might want te read the thread on the EtherZone Forum - etherzone articles[url=http://www.etherzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=4;action=display;num=1037195162]CDM [/url]
SARTRE B)
2002-11-14 02:25 | User Profile
Originally posted by SARTRE@Nov 13 2002, 17:55 **Heads Up
Might want te read the thread on the EtherZone Forum - etherzone articles[url=http://www.etherzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=4;action=display;num=1037195162]CDM [/url]
SARTRE B)**
Do, please, follow that link, OD readers. It's a hilarious read. Or should I say "Hillary-ous," since CDM reverts to what "mainstream" GOP women do in a pinch: she pulls out The Woman Card â⢠on SARTRE.
Even better, JimRob over at FR pulled the thread CDM posted on this incident, located at [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/788318/posts]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/788318/posts[/url]
JR's comment on that thread, which CDM titled "Republican Writer Abused At Ether Zone":
**This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 11/13/2002 12:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson, reason: No thanks**