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Thread ID: 3390 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2002-11-03
2002-11-03 11:23 | User Profile
Canada a whiner and freeloader, says Buchanan
From torontostar.com Canada is a "whining" country that has been ``freeloading" off the U.S. defence budget for decades, outspoken American talk-show host Pat Buchanan said today.
The latest attack to come from the failed Republican presidential candidate followed his televised comment that Canada is a "Soviet Canuckistan" because Canadian officials objected to a U.S. law demanding photos and fingerprints from Arab-Canadian visitors to the country.
"Post 9-11, we've been making a tremendous effort to try to secure the American people," Buchanan said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C., where he co-hosts a daily talk show.
"And to hear this kind of carping criticism from north of the border, from folks whom we give a $50-billion trade surplus each year and whom we defend while they have been in some ways freeloading off the United States, got a little bit into my craw."
"We exercise occasionally the right to criticize (Canada) and what I hear from up in Canada is some juvenile whining."
On Tuesday, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham issued a warning to Canadians born in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan and Syria highlighting a U.S. law that targets foreign visitors originally from those countries.
Two days later, however, Graham said U.S. ambassador Paul Cellucci had assured him that everyone carrying Canadian passports will receive identical treatment at border crossings, no matter where they were born.
While Buchanan called Canada a "safe haven for terrorists" and said Prime Minister Jean Chrétien had done an "appalling" job of securing the country's borders, he also said U.S. President George W. Bush has not done enough to counteract terrorism in his own backyard. If Canadians don't want to visit the U.S. because they object to being fingerprinted and photographed, that's their prerogative, Buchanan said.
"As it's their prerogative to criticize this country and ours to do likewise."
Buchanan's comments were first aired on the MSNBC show Buchanan and Press on Thursday. Almost half a million people tune in for two hours daily to watch Buchanan, a notoriously conservative former Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon speechwriter, face off with the more liberal Bill Press.
Despite Buchanan's wide audience, his comments don't represent the way most Americans think, said Maude Barlow, spokeswoman for the Council of Canadians.
"(His comments aren't) fair to most Americans because most Americans don't think the way Pat Buchanan does," Barlow said from Ottawa.
"But if you don't know anything about Canada and this is all you're seeing, it can spread a pretty viscous lie."
"He's using Canada as an excuse here to whip up racist sentiment in the Untied States, but what people need to start talking about right now is how to get along."
This week wasn't the first time Buchanan has given Canada a verbal lashing. In 1990, Buchanan wrote that if Canada shattered following the failure of the Meech Lake constitutional accord, "America would pick up the pieces."
Two years later, he said: "For most Americans, Canada is sort of like a case of latent arthritis. We really don't think about it, unless it acts up."ÃÂ Copyright 1996-2002. Toronto Star Newspapers Limited.
They`ll get over it. We already have. -S
2002-11-03 20:54 | User Profile
**Two years later, he said: "For most Americans, Canada is sort of like a case of latent arthritis. We really don't think about it, unless it acts up." **
Pat's got a real way with words. Of course Cancuckistan, if you've been watching it closely, has been developing symptems a lot more serious than just an occasional case of arthritus and bursitus. Its got all the signs of incipent senility, and really needs (in the realm of humane solutions) to be shipped off to the old folks home with "do not rescusitate" instructions.
Allowing our northern borders to be turned into a warehouse for pinko's, commies, trotskyites, and terrorists moving easily among a majority of third world refugees, is hardly something we can just ignore in old auntie.
2002-11-04 02:44 | User Profile
Almost half a million people tune in for two hours daily to watch Buchanan, a notoriously conservative former Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon speechwriter, face off with the more liberal Bill Press.
So you've got a "notorious" Buchanan vs. harmless ol' "more liberal" Press.
I saw a couple of Canuck expats living in the U.S. being interviewed on CSPAN a few years ago. I'll never forget their air of smirking superiority when asked to compare their land of origin to the the States: they made it clear that the Canadian way of doing things was altogether more logical and "civilized" than the American way: gun control, "anti-racism", you name it, and the "compassionate" hosers are allegedly showing us How It's Done.
I know that most Canadians are nice, polite people, but the smugness of their prissy socialist kommissars is beyond the pale.
"He's using Canada as an excuse here to whip up racist sentiment in the Untied States.....
Typo or Freudian slip? You be the judge.....
2002-11-04 06:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by N.B. Forrest@Nov 4 2002, 02:44 So you've got a "notorious" Buchanan vs. harmless ol' "more liberal" Press.
Of course among the Canadian left-leaning media (the Toronto Star is notorious as Toronto's pro-socialist newspaper) conservative is used as a perjorative, and liberal as an allocade.
**I saw a couple of Canuck expats living in the U.S. being interviewed on CSPAN a few years ago. I'll never forget their air of smirking superiority when asked to compare their land of origin to the the States: they made it clear that the Canadian way of doing things was altogether more logical and "civilized" than the American way: gun control, "anti-racism", you name it, and the "compassionate" hosers are allegedly showing us How It's Done.
I know that most Canadians are nice, polite people, but the smugness of their prissy socialist kommissars is beyond the pale. **
Pat's sort of got a point here. Canadians can afford to be very smug about all their ultra-liberal pandering and experimenting, because they've always got Uncle Sam to fall back on and absorb part of the hit. Terrorism problems? Well most of their terrorists are really more interested in us. Socialized health care? Well when medical care gets too bad there, they can always run across the border. Weak military? Weak military? Who cares, we're there. High unemployment? Well they can always sell stuff here or cross the border.
I think a good idea some time would be to have a big swap of territory. We could give up our four Mexican border states and move all the Canadians there, and in return get Canada.
Canadians might appreciate the protection they get from us a little more.
2002-11-05 03:58 | User Profile
**I think a good idea some time would be to have a big swap of territory. We could give up our four Mexican border states and move all the Canadians there, and in return get Canada.
Canadians might appreciate the protection they get from us a little more.**
An idea with merit. How about this variation: They give us relatively conservative Alberta, Saskatchewan & the Maritimes and we give them Jew Yawk, Mexifornia & Taxachusetts.
Now, what could be more reasonable than that?
2002-11-07 15:49 | User Profile
Notice that the Canadian paper refers to Pat as a "failed" presidential candidate. Anyone the leftist paper liked would be refered to as a "former" presidential candidate.
Anyway, Canada's military is big enough. As they don't run around making enemies they don't need much defense. The closest they come to making enemies is when they're supporting US efforts to spread US hegemony.
Although, Canada is a fascist/socialist pantywaste of a country.
2002-11-08 07:46 | User Profile
in return for this they get to have Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and Harvard.
It would be salutary to do without all three. Good for the soul. But what the heck, Pat's wrong, the Republic (aka the former United States) doesn't exist anymore, except in memory and futurity. Here in the Great Northwest many favor a more root and branch solution, reflective of the coming breakup of both historic Canada and the Empire: namely the new nation of Cascadia: northern California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Alberta, Idaho, and western Montana. Most hosers ain't half bad IMHO.
kennewickman
2002-11-24 02:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Nov 23 2002, 22:25 **The person said to be responsible has not confirmed using the word "moron".
But Ms Ducros reportedly expressed her frustration that President Bush was using the Prague summit to beat the war drums on Iraq and then described him as a moron.**
I wonder if that comment shouldn't properly, under Canada's hate crime laws, as tending to disparage the whole group of intellectually challenged people vulgarily known as "morons".
Never mind of course. Dubbya is no idiot, he knows pretty much what he's doing and who he has yielded his higher powers of decision to.