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Thread ID: 3334 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2002-10-31
2002-10-31 13:10 | User Profile
I stumbled across Heather McCartney on King Wed, night and figured I'd give it a shot and see what she was like - out of morbid curiosity, I guess.
It was like watching a car wreck in slow motion. I had read years ago that the Beatles, pre Yoko anyway, unlike the Stones, always preferred the company of lower middle class ditzes of, say, hairdresser ilk. This was supposed to be a reflection of their modest Liverpool roots.
Ole Heather is one of those obviously slightly unstable women that you run across from time to time, say in front of you in the checkout line, who immediately upon exchanging pleasantries begins to tell you embarrassing details of their personal lives. Women of this nature are always extremely talkative almost to the point of appearing - to use an archaic term - distracted. And any encounter with one invariably leads you to walk away shaking your head and muttering something to the effect that "man, this broad is f***ed up" which is exactly what I did as I headed for bed.
Of course she had the standard female celebrity litany of childhood problems. You know, abusive father, absent father, dysfunctional wacko mother. Plus she maintains that she supported her family when she was between ages 9 and 13!!!! although how she did it other than shoplifting she never revealed. Then in her midddle teens she lived on the streets for 3 years.
The ever lecherous Larry at that point leaned forward and with those bug eyes bulging said "did you ever prostitue yourself?". He seemed crestfallen when she said she had not. Although I expected her to reply "not till I married Paul".
The high point came when he asked her if her prosthetic leg "turned Paul off". At that point she reached down and unhooked it and plopped it right down on his desk and said "heck, no, every guy I've been out with asked me to marry him within a week". The leg remained on Larry's desk for quite a while why he admired it and asked probing questions. it looked just like that ridiculous lamp that Darren McGavin wins in "A Christmas Story". All it needed was the lampshade.
How a guy like McCartney could hook up with someone like this does not reflect well on him. He must be just as stupid and unsophisticated as she is.
2002-11-01 13:05 | User Profile
Eric,
Too funny! :lol:
King always reminded me of a horned toad.
2002-11-01 13:18 | User Profile
The guy lost his first wife to cancer....I think he's entitled to marry whoever the heck he wants. If she's a wacko, that's his cross to bear, not mine.
And nobody 'drives' anybody to heavy drug use - you choose to, or choose not to, yourself (so far as I know, McCartney dropped acid briefly, during the Beatles' Mahareeshi period, and smoked reefer afterwards, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I doubt if he was ever a coke-fiend or heroin addict, though.)
2002-11-01 14:53 | User Profile
Hey, I like McCartney as a guy although I can't stomach his music. He's just got lousy taste in women. His first wife Linda was a star f****r of the first magnitude when she hooked up with him. Any rock star stuck in NY for more than a day with nowhere to crash could always hook up with Linda who was what used to be referred to politely by my dad's generation as a "good sport". Her pretentions as a photographer were just a cover to ingratiate and infiltrate the celebrity scene.
How McCartney - one the world's most eligible bachelors - picked her is beyond me. But she turned out to be a good wife and mom, her pathetic attempts as a keyboardist and backup singer notwithstanding.
Heather strikes me as similarly motivated. Any fine looking woman who is anxious to marry well is wise to get involved in charitable organizations, especially trendy ones, since not too many McCartneys or Trumps are likely to walk into the local Salvation Army H/Q. Heather is into stuff like Adopt a Minefield. With a name like that you can be sure lots of wealthy twits are going to be involved. So when a guy like McCartney who is worth at least a half a billion walks through the door these women come at him from a different angle than they would if they were sitting on a bar stool somewhere. It's all real high minded stuff like "Sir Paul, would you like to help me sort 30,000 crutches into ascending order for the children of Baphootswana?" or "it breaks my heart to see so many horses walking around the paddock without orthopedic shoes". Stuff like that.
2002-11-01 21:57 | User Profile
Hey eric,
Just let it be, man.
;)
2002-11-01 22:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by Sertorius@Nov 1 2002, 13:05 **Eric,
Too funny! :lol:
King always reminded me of a horned toad.**
A few years back I was listening to his radio show (I don't know why, I was), and he started browbeating a caller who had disagreed with him about abortion. He went on and on in that raspy voice of his bitching about back alleys and coathangers until the caller interrupted him, exclaiming, "Larry, who the hell are you to give moral lectures? Man, you have more ex-wives than you do listeners!"
Cut to commercial.
Best, P
2002-12-22 03:13 | User Profile
eric von zipper: How McCartney picked her is beyond me. But she turned out to be a good wife and mom, her pathetic attempts as a keyboardist and backup singer notwithstanding. On the contrary, they were astonishingly courageous attempts! Do you have ANYWHERE near the courage it must have taken her to stand up on stage KNOWING she was no kind of musician?! All for the love of her husband?! Paulie wanted her to play with him, and she did! For the love of him, she made a fool of herself before millions, KNOWING the press and fans would ream her!
Do you love your significant other nearly that much?! Would you knowingly open yourself up for that kind of brutal criticism? No, I thought not!
Applaud her courage, not her poor musiciality!
2002-12-22 04:34 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Dec 22 2002, 03:13 > eric von zipper: ÃÂ How McCartney picked her is beyond me. But she turned out to be a good wife and mom, her pathetic attempts as a keyboardist and backup singer notwithstanding.** On the contrary, they were astonishingly courageous attempts! Do you have ANYWHERE near the courage it must have taken her to stand up on stage KNOWING she was no kind of musician?! All for the love of her husband?! Paulie wanted her to play with him, and she did! For the love of him, she made a fool of herself before millions, KNOWING the press and fans would ream her!
Do you love your significant other nearly that much?! Would you knowingly open yourself up for that kind of brutal criticism? No, I thought not!
Applaud her courage, not her poor musiciality!**
Linda Epstein, aka Linda Eastman, and her marriage to Paul McCartney sure made an interesting story for some analysts, although not the trendy ones. That he would marry a pliant groupie who stated once to Paul something like "I'd would fulfill the greatest ambition of my life to bear your children" appalled all the trendy analysts, but oddly made Paul completely happy. It does seem to say something about the Beatles sociologically.
Actually I suppose it made a certain amount of sense for Paul. Music groups for both him and John seemed to basically serve as a sort of surrogate family for them, since both their mothers had died at a young age. Linda seemed perfectly acquainted with the sort of lifestyle needed to facilitate that sort of living arrangement, and slipped pefectly into it.
The press, and especially the Beatle fans, all hoped for a strong, independent women who would make interesting quotes and stories, and were appalled by Linda. But it seemed to fit perfectly with Paul. Growing up motherless, and then spending endles hours on the road with the sarcastic and abrasive Lennon, he seemed happy to settle down with a women who had absolutely no independent goals or ambitions but to marry a famous rock star, and who represented absolutely no threat to Paul.
It seems he just absolutely ate every syrupy word up, and lived in absolute bliss all his life. It reminds me a little bit of those men who used to send away for Phillipino or other poor southeast Asian wives, as they would be more traditional and compliant, unlike liberated/independent American women. I've heard that has dropped in popularity, as women around the world with TV are all becoming much more aware of their own individuality and less traditional, even in the back woods of the Phillipines etc.
2002-12-22 05:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Dec 22 2002, 03:13 **Do you love your significant other nearly that much?! ÃÂ Would you knowingly open yourself up for that kind of brutal criticism? ÃÂ No, I thought not!
Applaud her courage, not her poor musiciality!**
As I said, I think it was really just part of the price she agreed to pay. In a certain way though something about it doesn't seem completely romantic. A romantic relationship to my mind would be to keep my princess wife in some fairy tale castle at home, far from the real nastiness of touring musicians life on the road. Linda, by contrast, chose to practically play the role of an assistant road manager, who dutifully appears on stage as part of the job. It seemed to be part of the hard, practical Jewish nature in a way, which really sometimes just can't our romantic western notions of relationships between the sexes, chivalry, etc.
It is interesting along these lines how closely the Beatles lives were tied in with their managers, and seemed to draw out and develop certain parts of the Beatles collective personality. Their first manager was the Jewish homosexual Bernie Epstein, whose relationship with and Beatles, and even the image he developed for them, seemed to fulfil some homo-erotic fantasy of his.
Their other manager who suceeded Bernie when he offed himself over an failed love affair was by contrast a hard bitten New York Jew named Herb Klein.
I've never followed rock music that closely, but it does seem to show again how the managerial aspect of it is as Jewish as any other part of show biz.
2002-12-24 21:36 | User Profile
Okiereddust: As I said, I think it was really just part of the price she agreed to pay. In a certain way though something about it doesn't seem completely romantic. A romantic relationship to my mind would be to keep my princess wife in some fairy tale castle at home, far from the real nastiness of touring musicians life on the road. Linda, by contrast, chose to practically play the role of an assistant road manager, who dutifully appears on stage as part of the job. It seemed to be part of the hard, practical Jewish nature in a way, which really sometimes just can't our romantic western notions of relationships between the sexes, chivalry, etc.
Hmmm, but if your "prince" wants to spend months away touring the world, doing the thing that makes HIM happiest in life AND wants you with him always, why would you stay "in some fairy tale castle" waiting for him? I'd think the role of "assistant road manager" merges admirably with the role of "wife on the road." And if making him happy includes getting up on stage and making a fool of yourself... if your goal is to please HIM, then that's what you do!
My husband works everyday managing the (manufacturing) company he owns. I am an editor by training and preference, yet I go with him to HIS work every day, help out at his company (building components; only RARELY getting to use my trained skills), and because it makes HIM happy, it makes ME happy. Would I rather be editing? Yes. Enough to NOT go with him where he wants? No. (Will that have long-term ramifications? No, because I ââ¬Ëmake thingsââ¬â¢ at the company when I FEEL like it, and when I do I do whatever I want ââ¬â and THERE is the princess aspect!)
Which is better in order to meet "our romantic western notions of relationships between the sexes, chivalry, etc."? For the woman stay home or go out to her own career as she chooses, or to be with and support her man's choices? Where would SHE rather be? Obviously, for Linda (and me), it is to be with our lord and master, doing with and for him what is needful to support him and fill our time to HIS benefit, rather than our own independence!
I donââ¬â¢t think this "hard, practical Jewish nature in a way" has anything to do with it. She was willing to subordinate her life to his, and that made them both happy! What more would you ask of a white christian woman than that?
2002-12-24 23:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Dec 24 2002, 21:36 ** [QUOTE]Which is better in order to meet "our romantic western notions of relationships between the sexes, chivalry, etc."? For the woman stay home or go out to her own career as she chooses, or to be with and support her man's choices? Where would SHE rather be? Obviously, for Linda (and me), it is to be with our lord and master, doing with and for him what is needful to support him and fill our time to HIS benefit, rather than our own independence!
I donââ¬â¢t think this "hard, practical Jewish nature in a way" has anything to do with it. She was willing to subordinate her life to his, and that made them both happy! What more would you ask of a white christian woman than that? **
I don't know exactly what made me, as well as every Beatle journalist in the world, want to pick holes in the relationship of McCartney with this unprepossessing professional groupie. I suppose if you want to identify the somewhat hard, unromantic side of Linda Epstein/Eastman it would reallyl be less in what she did with her husband and more how she got him, i.e. basically sleeping with every musician in the book until she found one that was willing to marry her. But who knows, maybe in the business McCartney was in, you just figured all the girls you were likely to run into were sluts anyway.
I suppose since it worked for them we should just say R.I.P. Linda Eastman, and just wish you're daughter, from what I read in the tabloids, seemed to combine the best qualities of you and Paul, rather than the worst.