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Thread ID: 3305 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2002-10-30
2002-10-30 07:25 | User Profile
[url=http://vdare.com/francis/watch_dogs.htm]Guess Who Wants To Help Big Brother?[/url] By Sam Francis
One result of government-created mass immigration in the wake of Sept. 11 is that personal and civil liberties may dwindle as "Homeland Security" swells.
Since there are legal limits on what government agencies like the FBI and the CIA can do to spy on the legal and non-violent activities of Americans, however, Homeland Security may come to include a few off-the-books agencies as well as those supposedly on the books.
So-called "watchdog" groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith rake in millions every year for the purpose of "tracking" what they call "extremist" activitiesââ¬âusually perfectly legal if sometimes bizarre political groups that the FBI and cops can't touch unless they're suspected of committing crimes.
Now, in the case of the Anti-Defamation League [ADL], a high-ranking official has acknowledged that they essentially help the FBI skirt the law and maybe even the Constitution.
David Friedman, director of the ADL's Washington office, told the press last week that his organization
"has played a vital role protecting the homeland by providing law enforcement officials with valuable information about suspected terrorists."
What is described as the ADL's "comprehensive database on extremist groups" contains all sorts of good stuff on Arabic and Muslim terrorist groups - as well as even more stuff on "domestic terrorists, including neo-Nazi and white supremacy groups."
Under guidelines and laws adopted in the 1970s, in the wake of such episodes as Watergate and various intelligence community scandals, limits were established on what intelligence agencies like the FBI and CIA could collect and how they could collect it.
What the ADL is acknowledgingââ¬âperhaps unconsciouslyââ¬âis that it is helping such agencies evade those laws.
Mr. Friedman claims that law enforcement, including the FBI, which he admits the ADL has "helped,"
"are so burdened with the demands upon their time and so spread thin that they don't have the time to be studying and searching for additional information."
He neglects to point out that it's actually illegal for the FBI and certain law enforcement agencies even to have some kinds of "additional information"ââ¬âso the ADL collects and keeps it for them.
It's far from clear how valuable that kind of service is. In the first place, if American voters and the Congress wanted these agencies to have more resources to collect more information, they'd probably provide it for them. Maybe they don't want them to have more on purpose, and maybe it's not really the business of the ADL to provide it anyway.
Moreover, what the ADL provides in the way of "additional information" isn't necessarily what the FBI needs, nor is it always reliable. The ADL, a Jewish organization, is understandably concerned mainly about anti-Jewish extremism, but anti-Jewish extremism may not be the biggest threat to the country that the Bureau and the cops need to know about. There are foreign terrorists, far-left terrorists, and environmentalist and animal rights terrorists, and there's no reason to think that what the ADL can provide the FBI about such groups is either more reliable or more useful than what it can get for itself.
As for reliability, a federal judge last year upheld most of a $10-million lawsuit against the ADL for falsely labelling a couple in Denver as "anti-Semites." A few years ago, the ADL outraged many mainstream conservatives by claiming that Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition was anti-Semitic and harbored "Nazi sympathies," despite the Christian right's strong support for Israel.
Unlike public law enforcement and intelligence agencies, the ADL doesn't have to answer to elected officials, so there's no check on it. It can fabricate or slant the "intelligence" it peddles to push public agencies in directions it wants them to go, not where they should be going.
Even when their intelligence is accurate, it still isn't necessarily useful. Mr. Friedman boasted that the ADL
"already had a profile on Timothy McVeigh before the Oklahoma City bombing by following anti-Semitic and anti-government movements."
That's swell. But obviously, the ADL's spying didn't help prevent the bombing - or even help catch those who committed it. So what good is it?
The only good that groups like the ADL seem to serve is their own, by impressing gullible and terrified donors with all the secret inside dope they rake up. By playing on the fears and fantasies of such people, the "watchdog" groups have raised millions for themselves.
The danger such groups present is not only that their slanted "research" and "intelligence" will misdirect and misinform professional law enforcement and intelligence services, but also that the law-abiding people they spy on and harass will wind up being smeared or framed for thoughts they never thought and deeds they never did.
2002-10-30 10:21 | User Profile
I believe Sam's associated with the CofCC. If so, he needs to put those boys to work and send a copy of this article to every police dept in the country, and do it over and over again till they get the message.
2002-10-30 16:00 | User Profile
If the ADL had been running the sniper investigation Blackman and Robin would still be at large.
2002-10-31 00:33 | User Profile
Moreover, what the ADL provides in the way of "additional information" isn't necessarily what the FBI needs, nor is it always reliable. The ADL, a Jewish organization, is understandably concerned mainly about anti-Jewish extremism, but anti-Jewish extremism may not be the biggest threat to the country that the Bureau and the cops need to know about.
It would be informative to get our hands on some of the ADL "police training" materials at least. While I harbor no doubt as to the ultimate point of such things, it still would be interesting to see exactly what techniques are being used to propagandize law enforcement.
I'm also willing to bet a sizable amount of information that could be provided by the ADL concentrates on individuals that might not necessarily have ties to well known groups. I know rightists who believe the ADL is nothing more than a scam operation relying on the tactics of scaremongering to generate contributions. It's a fatal mistake to think that way. The huxterism aside, the ADL is deathly serious about what they do. Foxman has quite a large network of casual informants like coworkers, students, doctors and what not. A slip of the tongue at work could be (and has been) reported to the ADL and the offenders name put on a file some where in their databases. I bet they're providing those types of tips to the FBI.
**If the ADL had been running the sniper investigation Blackman and Robin would still be at large. **
The ADL mindset did run the show until it the "lone, angry, white male" and "Muslim terrorist" theories were imploded by the priest's final call to the FBI (his earlier calls were ignored because the tip didn't fit the above theories). This is why the Muhammed and his sidekick where able to elude police for so long. Among other things, the ADL has a web of sympathetic pundits and carefully selected "experts" willing to spout off such theories every time these things happen regardless of the facts.
2002-10-31 01:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by Oklahomaman@Oct 30 2002, 18:33 **
It would be informative to get our hands on some of the ADL "police training" materials at least. While I harbor no doubt as to the ultimate point of such things, it still would be interesting to see exactly what techniques are being used to propagandize law enforcement.
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This might help:
[url=http://www.ncjrs.org/hate_crimes/training.html#1]http://www.ncjrs.org/hate_crimes/training.html#1[/url]
It's a fed-funded hate crime training resource site with links to the ADL, Weaselthal and the SPLC. Perfect Halloween reading.
2002-10-31 13:33 | User Profile
Moreover, what the ADL provides in the way of "additional information" isn't necessarily what the FBI needs, nor is it always reliable. [u]The ADL, a Jewish organization, is understandably concerned mainly about anti-Jewish extremism, but anti-Jewish extremism may not be the biggest threat to the country that the Bureau and the cops need to know about.[/u] There are foreign terrorists, far-left terrorists, and environmentalist and animal rights terrorists, and there's no reason to think that what the ADL can provide the FBI about such groups is either more reliable or more useful than what it can get for itself.
Perhaps if the Jews would quit engaging in anti-white activities they might discover that most of us wouldn`t give a damn about them one way or the other. It is their own activities that are primarily responsible for "anti-semitism," not the other way around.
**As for reliability, a federal judge last year upheld most of a $10-million lawsuit against the ADL for falsely labelling a couple in Denver as "anti-Semites." A few years ago, the ADL outraged many mainstream conservatives by claiming that Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition was anti-Semitic and harbored "Nazi sympathies," despite the Christian right's strong support for Israel. **
As this example shows. One has to wonder about the people who follow fakirs like Robertson. What I mean by this is that here you have the A.D.L. smear the hell out of them and yet these people are quick to forget the slight. The A.D.L. will always hate them and regard them with contempt. This is on top of the information that a reasonably intelligent person could conclude that the A.D.L. is an unregistered agent of Israel.
Recluse,
They have their myrmidons who keep up with this site as well.
2002-10-31 23:23 | User Profile
** The leading official monitor of anti-Semitism, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, interprets anti-Semitism as unwillingness to conform to its requirements with regard to support for Israeli authorities.... The logic is straightforward: Anti-Semitism is opposition to the interests of Israel (as the ADL sees them). ... The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming "one of the main pillars" of Israeli propaganda in the U.S., as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticism of Israeli actions, and so on. These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement. **
I'll do one better and say the ADL is the American branch office of the Israeli government. The extent to which their network of activists and sympathizers have managed to infiltrate the government at all levels, schools and the workplace is breathtaking. Didn't Pollard's ALD activism lead to him to outright espionage? I'm quite certain the ADL regularly monitors internet communications and has a file on me. The ADL fulfills the functions of the old Okhrana. Then again the Okhrana was only loyal to the Tsar on paper unlike the ADL's situation with Israel.
The ADL is at least understandable as a collection of Jews pursuing Jewish interests as they define them. What I find incomprehensible is the "Chistian-Zionists". Those people fill me with a mixture of fascination, horror, confusion and disgust.