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Thread ID: 3153 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2002-10-20
2002-10-20 18:51 | User Profile
Just tried to get onto FAEM and it showed a white screen with someone's email address saying that the URL you requested couldn't be found.
This is a first. I hope the slash through the Star of Davey at the top of the page didn't cause TOO much of a commotion at "HateWatch".
2002-10-21 02:33 | User Profile
FAEM apparently pulled the plug on itself. The index page says they'll have been online for 5 years, and they're wondering, upon retreating to the batcave, if it's all been worthwhile--in their words.
For those who were interested in the letters and resource pages buried within the various folders at FAEM, including the exquisite White Leadership Academy series (see WLA #6 to learn how and why the GOP needs to be destroyed), one can still access the materials that were at that site through the Internet Archive Wayback Machine at
[url=http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html]http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html[/url]
--just go there and enter www.faem.com into the search engine, and you'll be able to pull up copies of all those pages going back years. Works for most websites on the internet--this is truly a priceless tool. No matter what webpages ZOG renders 404, their material can be accessed and retrieved.
2002-10-21 03:55 | User Profile
Have I mentioned how tired I am of this attitude? One sees it everywhere, the purity of the 'elect', those lucky 144,000 listed in the Book of Revs who will be ushered away directly to Valhalla come the Race War, leaving only the Damned and the virtuous Jonahdabs to tussle over the vanishing traces of Providence in a fallen world.
We do live in a rather uninspiring and unworthy world. To that extent, the few who are capable of rising above time and seeing the big picture are correct about that.
Where the proprietors of FAEM may be in error lies in the role of what a webpage does. To them, I would advise them to add patience and perspective and perseverance to their otherwise fine repertoire of qualities. Did they really think, five years ago, that by 2002 some sort of positive political changes would have occurred in a direction they'd like? I don't think they did--I've seen plenty of material there that admits things have gotten worse, and will grow worse yet. Enjoy the ride.
Anyway, as I said, a webpage is a resource. It's a beacon for attracting new adherents, and a tool for bettering the already initiated. I can't imagine what good comes from its non-existence. A lot of people read FAEM, if you use the Alexa stats as an indicator. Its rating on October 19 was 123,862, not far off from the 110,911 of the National Alliance's site where the American Dissident Voices broadcasts are put out. And much better than the 190,692 that davidduke.com has, despite the Daily Commentaries Section there which draws scores of readers.
So it's not like no one cares whether FAEM is there or not--people use and like FAEM, and I can't understand why its creators would abandon those who have been served by it. Perhaps there are time or economic constraints involved. Maybe it's just "burn out" of some sort. If so, that's understandable and I sympathize, but it does not invalidate the whole idea of the project itself, which seems to be what those words at the placeholder page on that site imply.
FAEM occupies a niche as valuable as VNN and others in that genre. Its loss will leave a hole. It has the added benefit of being smart and sophisticated, also earthy and folksy too, but it avoids some of the crudity of VNN--so it does appeal to audiences VNN may be unable to connect with. Should Robert Frenz and friends decide not to pursue the FAEM project, I hope the sort of material to be found there at that site will be promulgated by others.
White Nationalism - or whatever Occidental Traditionalism (don't like that one either - sounds like an oil company) comes to be called - is frankly still just beginning. What it's final form may be, no one can say.
You are correct. No one has a lock on the future, there's a long way to go, and there are no guarantees.
2002-10-21 04:24 | User Profile
I'm in quite of a shock over this. I only discovered FAEM about a few months ago, and I found it to be a pretty good website. I can't believe they would throw it all away like this, and then think if everything they had been doing for the past 5 years was worth it. There has to be some kind of catch to this.
2002-10-21 04:34 | User Profile
I'm in quite of a shock over this. I only discovered FAEM about a few months ago, and I found it to be a pretty good website. I can't believe they would throw it all away like this, and then think if everything they had been doing for the past 5 years was worth it. There has to be some kind of catch to this.
Me too--I check that site on a daily basis. They have lots of nice goodies nestled away in their archives and miscellaneous folders. Fortunately, the materials can be resurrected for activism and research purposes with the Wayback Archive. Still, the fact that there is no new material on the way from the FAEM editors is quite the blow. Eric Thompson coined the term ZOG originally, for example, and apparently wrote a novel that was said to have inspired the Turner Diaries (not that the contents of that book will interest everyone here at OD, but I cite this to establish a distinguished and relevant pedigree). Maguire's background is less apparent, but you can tell he's had a lot of experience in a lot of places, and his analyses of the War on Terror are brilliant. Frenz also goes back many years--these guys are "honored Elders." We still have much to learn from them. Their day has not yet passed, with all due respect to Wintermute.
Forgot to add: you're right, there may be a catch to it. Frenz has a dark sense of humor, so he may be putting out the word that he's thinking of throwing in the towel on the web page just as a way to zing the crowds. Not compassionate, I know, but I can handle it, and it does generate interest and expectation, putting loyal viewers on the edge of their chairs. Only time will tell.
2002-10-21 05:36 | User Profile
But the cranky, follow-me-to-the-tomb-of-Adolf-Hitler-and-there-we-shall-lie school has seen its day....
Whether descriptively correct or not, this is a particularly fine turn of phrase.
2002-10-22 06:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by PaleoconAvatar@Oct 21 2002, 02:33 **For those who were interested in the letters and resource pages buried within the various folders at FAEM, including the exquisite White Leadership Academy series (see WLA #6 to learn how and why the GOP needs to be destroyed), one can still access the materials that were at that site through the Internet Archive Wayback Machine at
[url=http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html]http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html[/url]
--just go there and enter www.faem.com into the search engine, and you'll be able to pull up copies of all those pages going back years. Works for most websites on the internet--this is truly a priceless tool. No matter what webpages ZOG renders 404, their material can be accessed and retrieved.**
This is all I found.
***I tried them all, I find them all so same and tame, so drear, so dry; My gorge ariseth at the thought; I commune with myself and cry:---
Better the myriad toils and pains that make the man to manhood true, This be the rule that guideth life; these be the rules for me and you:
With Ignor'ance wage eternal war, to know thy self forever strain, Thine ignorance of thine ignorance is thy fiercest foe, thy deadliest bane.***
What did FAEM stand for anyway? Was it associated with NA or VNN?
2002-10-22 07:17 | User Profile
This is all I found.
Really? That's unfortunate. I've noticed sometimes that the Archive software doesn't drill down far enough, etc. Or it may be the settings on the Advanced Search page at [url=http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html]http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html[/url]. Here's a potential solution for getting the maximum amount of material that might be there:
Set the options to the following:
List all pages that match search criteria Show aliases separately (a search for yahoo.com will list www.yahoo.com separately) *Show redirects (on the search results, we will display pages that redirect)
I find that when I tick off those three settings, I get more material to look through at different stages of the page's development. After I post this, I'll check to see if it works for FAEM.
What did FAEM stand for anyway? Was it associated with NA or VNN?
FAEM is/was a White Nationalist website. The acronym stands for "First Amendment Exercise Machine." It was not associated with NA or VNN, or any other group like that, really, it's independent. They never really had any "official" statement of positions, I don't think. It was somewhat of a weblog, with three main contributors who would comment, often in witty ways, about current events. The sort of harsh language, etc., one would find at VNN was not to be found at FAEM, totally different style.
I'm pleased to report my recommendations worked.
A typical FAEM front page:
[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20010202231900/http://faem.com/]http://web.archive.org/web/20010202231900/...ttp://faem.com/[/url]
And, as I'd hoped, the Archive came through and saved the Ludovici page:
[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20011021174549/faem.com/ludovici/ludo.htm]http://web.archive.org/web/20011021174549/...dovici/ludo.htm[/url]
The numerous archived pages under Ad Libitum have also been preserved:
[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20010209170032/faem.com/adlib/adlib.htm]http://web.archive.org/web/20010209170032/...adlib/adlib.htm[/url]
2002-10-22 16:22 | User Profile
[url=http://www.faem.com/]http://www.faem.com/[/url] - Back up already?
2003-05-11 19:04 | User Profile
What happened to [url=http://www.faem.com][color=blue]FAEM[/color][/url]? All I get when going to the page is 'As requested, this file has been removed.' :(
2003-05-11 20:29 | User Profile
Don't know.
On a different note, FAEM has always struck me as unusual. The stuff they post is often out-of-step with other "hardcore" White websites.
2003-05-11 21:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 11 2003, 16:29 ** Don't know.
On a different note, FAEM has always struck me as unusual. The stuff they post is often out-of-step with other "hardcore" White websites. **
In what way is the material "out of step?" I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just sincerely asking for some examples or elaboration because I'm curious as to how you see it.
2003-05-11 22:02 | User Profile
Paleo --
FAEM is, to me, curmudgeons tossing out interesting, but often useless, info. As an example, one day they were talking about a hotrod car. Another day it was a math problem [yes, I know one of them was a math teacher/expert].
To my mind, there is a difference between "info I can actually use," and simply "interesting info." Heck, Birdman puts out more useful stuff than FAEM, and Birdman is not even a WN per se.
[you thought I was gonna mention "that website," huh? That's why I didn't.... :D ]
:sm:
2003-05-11 22:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 11 2003, 18:02 ** Paleo --
FAEM is, to me, curmudgeons tossing out interesting, but often useless, info. As an example, one day they were talking about a hotrod car. Another day it was a math problem [yes, I know one of them was a math teacher/expert].
To my mind, there is a difference between "info I can actually use," and simply "interesting info." Heck, Birdman puts out more useful stuff than FAEM, and Birdman is not even a WN per se.
[you thought I was gonna mention "that website," huh? That's why I didn't.... :D ]
:sm: **
I see your point. A lot of the commentary on that site consists of personal reminiscing and ruminations and anecdotes, rather than full-fledged ideological analyses.
I guess some people would find the anecdotes a waste of space, but then again there may be a significant segment of people out there who will recognize themselves in those patterns of thinking, and decide, "you know, this guy's 'down to earth' and has a lot of the same thoughts I do," and that may lead them toward more formal political activism on substantive issues such as race, etc.
He does come up with some funny and persuasve ways to answer common egalitarian rhetoric, though. Like the famed piece of info the liberals like to throw around about how "there's less than 1% difference genetically between Whites and Blacks." Frenz responded to that by saying something like, "would you drink a glass of water with 1% cyanide in it?" I think that sort of quip can help people break out of certain thought patterns that dominate the day.
2003-05-11 22:59 | User Profile
Heh, heh, yeah -- putting a human/"down home" face on nationalism. But I still like info that I can use, ya know? Hard info, names, dates, figures. Like you find at....that other website... :D
I also like archives, like Jeff's Archive, to study/learn/send to others... :naughty: I sometimes find a great item and spam it to innocent Sally Soccermoms, who tell me to "stop sending racist garbage." :rolleyes: I spam all sorts of people: Vietnam Vets, Churches, etc. Some respond nicely, but most not...
ah, well....
2003-05-12 01:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by Franco@May 11 2003, 18:59 ** Heh, heh, yeah -- putting a human/"down home" face on nationalism. But I still like info that I can use, ya know? Hard info, names, dates, figures. Like you find at....that other website... :D
I also like archives, like Jeff's Archive, to study/learn/send to others... :naughty: I sometimes find a great item and spam it to innocent Sally Soccermoms, who tell me to "stop sending racist garbage." :rolleyes: I spam all sorts of people: Vietnam Vets, Churches, etc. Some respond nicely, but most not...
ah, well.... **
Understood completely. Many people gravitate toward concrete evidence, Joe Friday style. It's nice to have that stuff to back you up when some smart-ass starts demanding "proof," thinking you don't have it.
How do you find these individuals to spam? Return e-mail addys in newsgroup posts?
I love the "racist garbage" comment. Sometimes I like to ask those indignant types where they learned it was racist and garbage--the TV?...the teacher?, etc.
2003-05-12 01:53 | User Profile
At least it's still in Google's cache.
"Their diets were out of kilter as are the diets of that group of morons called 'veggies'."
"Cereals -- bird and herbivore food."
"Our family had breakfasts of ham, eggs, and potatoes."
Potatoes? Is that a slang word for some animal part?
2003-05-12 02:27 | User Profile
** PaleoconA wrote:
How do you find these individuals to spam? Return e-mail addys in newsgroup posts?**
Actually, wherever I can. You name it. For example, once I Google-searched under "veteran's groups" [I think], and I compiled about 30 or 40 e-addresses within maybe 4 days, then I spammed them stuff about Jews. It's easy, and fun.
Then, I save the list of e-addresses, and if I get no complaints, I do it again later. You can do it, too. We all can, and should. All people at OD who are reading this, do the same. It's simple. Search under all sorts of topics: "Republicans," "conservative," etc. Get about 4 or 5 e-addresses per day. Then, in about 2 weeks, spam them all.
:th: :th: :th:
:hit: :hit: :hit:
2003-05-12 03:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@May 11 2003, 19:04 ** What happened to [url=http://www.faem.com][color=blue]FAEM[/color][/url]? **
They just go down once in awhile and then come back. They'll put bogus "Forbidden" warnings up or they'll have a little Knotfound sign hanging there for awhile. Then they come back. Like Jewish Tribal Review maybe.
They'll be back. Give it a couple days.