Rifle-toting militia-types
Other gun nuts
Extreme right-wing religious freaks
Flag-loving fools with t-shirts, proclaiming their cause in four-inch block letters
States' rights simpletons
You know...normal people.**
Well, at least I know I'm normal! Didn't even have to pay a shrink.
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### Sertorius
*2002-03-27 20:02* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
[quote=Texas Dissident,Mar. 27 2002,12:36]
Texas Dissident,
| **Quote** | **
So why is it that the one group who should know better, doesn't? Where are the Jews at the gun shows? Where are the Jews lobbying for government to stop preventing expressions of faith? Where are the Jews when the abortionists are pushing on one end of the life cycle while euthanasia advocates are pushing on the other? Where are the Jews when the legal property of law-abiding Americans is being confiscated for the sake of saving some dumb animal? Where were the Jews when over 80 men, women, and children were burned to death by the same federal government that wants to run the nation's health care industry? Where are the Jews when laws are being passed to restrict ownership of the only material item that could have saved their grandparents from the gas chambers?
Where are the JEWS, forgoshsakes!
****
Yes, indeed, where are they?
Far too many of them are the ones who are raising all the hell in the first place, that`s where!
To the credit of Mr. Goldberg he is one the few Jews that gets it. Too bad that most of his fellow tribesmen don`t get it. If they did they wouldn`t be the ones that a person always finds involved in this sort of thing. Gun control, gay rights, feminism, Bolshevism, ect. they are almost always right in the middle of it. Turn on any talkshow on t.v. and one will see that a sizable number of the guests are Jews who are promoting something that hurts America.
If they aren`t the "leaders," then they sure as hell are financing it. ÃÂ
And then they can`t understand why some people don`t care for them. They are their own worst enemies.
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### madrussian
*2002-03-28 15:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/15)
Frankly, I don't see what the big deal here is. A Jew said something obvious, is one supposed to get exctatic about it?
I give Jews more credit than getting excited about one of them speaking out ÃÂ 
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### NativeExile
*2002-03-30 02:20* | [User Profile](/od/user/86)
I don't see what the big deal is either. This reads like something from the JPFO. Lots of mandatory "Holocaust" references, a reluctant admission that there were other, worse massacres, and, of course, for the wind-up, the "we're all Israelis now" coda that reveals what this article's real purpose is: to garner more support/sympathy for Israel from the "these colors don't run" vanity plates crowd.
Of course, there is the obligatory ominous warning of another Hitler just over the horizon, presented as a threat to all decent Americans, but Mister Goldberg, who knows darn well why his fellow tribesmen are in the forefront of gun control and the rest of the Bolshevik agenda, also knows his clan is coming under the kind of withering scrutiny from fed-up Americans that presages big trouble for them.
Semitically-correct milita porn. Strictly from Freepersville.
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### Walter Yannis
*2002-04-02 13:06* | [User Profile](/od/user/57)
| **Quote** (Sertorius @ Mar. 27 2002,14:02) | Yes, indeed, where are they?
Far too many of them are the ones who are raising all the hell in the first place, that`s where!
To the credit of Mr. Goldberg he is one the few Jews that gets it. Too bad that most of his fellow tribesmen don`t get it. If they did they wouldn`t be the ones that a person always finds involved in this sort of thing. Gun control, gay rights, feminism, Bolshevism, ect. they are almost always right in the middle of it. Turn on any talkshow on t.v. and one will see that a sizable number of the guests are Jews who are promoting something that hurts America.
If they aren`t the "leaders," then they sure as hell are financing it. ÃÂ
And then they can`t understand why some people don`t care for them. They are their own worst enemies.**
Ditto, Sert. Well said.
It's delusional thinking on a mass scale.
How is it that the IP can possibly fail to see that I and people like me are potentially their best friends? Certainly much more worth having as allies than as enemies? Why do they prefer Jesse Jackson?
Why do they insist, as a group, on trashing Christianity, peddling smut on little children, and making alliances against us with the black/brown American lumpenproletariat?
I could deal with a man like the author of this article, or with Rabbi Lapin of Toward Tradition. The fact that they insist on attacking the very culture that saved them from first the pogroms then from the Nazis and then protected Israel to its own great detriment proves their mass paranoic delusions.
They look at us, and see Cassocks and SS soldiers. They're nuts, and their insanity is killing us.
I just get so frustrated with them sometime. They're so smart, yet so blind.
Also, Sert - I wonder if we're not seeing a change in the IP attitude generally? We had Hernstein's Bell Curve, then David Horowitz hiring Ann Coulter and launching a campaign against slavery reparations and to restrict immigration, Michael Levin joining American Renaissance, and most recently the publication of a book by Joshua Epstein of the Brookings Institute (reviewed in the Atlantic Monthly) proving that racial segregation is inevitable.
Is something going on here behind the scenes? Might the Sanhedrin do a one-eighty?
Walter
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### mwdallas
*2002-04-02 16:43* | [User Profile](/od/user/81)
| **Quote** | How is it that the IP can possibly fail to see that I and people like me are potentially their best friends? ÃÂ **
Yeah -- look at Ginsberg's book. ÃÂ I think it's right there ON PAGE 1! ÃÂ Judaism is a high-risk/high-reward strategy producing a cycle of boom and bust. ÃÂ Those who advise Jews to pursue a less aggressive strategy are indeed doing them a favor -- at least according to our value system. Of course, if your heart's set on ruling the world, I guess you have to roll the dice.
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### NativeExile
*2002-04-03 03:46* | [User Profile](/od/user/86)
| **Quote** (Walter Yannis @ April 02 2002,07:06) | I just get so frustrated with them sometime. ÃÂ They're so smart, yet so blind.
Also, Sert - I wonder if we're not seeing a change in the IP attitude generally? ÃÂ We had Hernstein's Bell Curve, then David Horowitz hiring Ann Coulter and launching a campaign against slavery reparations and to restrict immigration, Michael Levin joining American Renaissance, and most recently the publication of a book by Joshua Epstein of the Brookings Institute (reviewed in the Atlantic Monthly) proving that racial segregation is inevitable.
Is something going on here behind the scenes? ÃÂ Might the Sanhedrin do a one-eighty?
Walter**
Snap out of it, Walter. You can't be that naive.
What you're describing is infiltration and subversion, the time-honored method of the Tribe. Allow Jews into the White nationalist movement, and you might as well surrender now.
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### Walter Yannis
*2002-04-03 07:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/57)
| **Quote** (NativeExile @ April 02 2002,21:46) | Snap out of it, Walter. You can't be that naive.
ÃÂ What you're describing is infiltration and subversion, the time-honored method of the Tribe. Allow Jews into the White nationalist movement, and you might as well surrender now.**
I didn't mean that we should allow Jews into the movement. While we can and should work with Jews who understand their own self-destructive tendencies, we need to have our own movment without their influence.
Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
Walter
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### Sertorius
*2002-04-03 11:32* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
Walter,
I figured you were asking a rhetorical question and all I can say about their disfunctional behavior is that to me it is best explain in an article written by Dr. William Pierce called "The Scopion and the Frog." That is the only thing that makes sense. Whether it is genetic, cultural, or just plain old mean spiritness I don`t know. What I do know is that the historical trail from times memorable say that they can`t be trusted. We did during the Cold War that I hold some of them responsible for and look what they did to the Republican party. Whenever there is a sizable number of Jews in a nation that nation always winds up suffering. America today hasn`t prospered in my opinion.
While it is good to see writers like the one who wrote this column and the ones you pointed out take the view that they do all I can say is too little, too late.
You can`t trust them and it is their own fault.
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### Sertorius
*2002-04-03 11:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
Walter,
I thought about this some more and I`ll give you an analogy about "god`s chosen people." They remind me of a group of campers that are upstream from where you are at. You see them drawing water from the stream, then see them bathing in it and finally disposing body waste and their trash into it all the while knowing that you are downstream and you need that water too, but couldn`t care less. Their attitude is "hooray for me and to hell with you!" I see the same conduct when it comes to nations they live in save Israel. It infuriates me that today they are the ones trying to start WW III for the ultimate benefit of Israel at the expense of the U.S.
America? As long as it serves as a doormat for them is their sole concern. Their actions prove that to me.
There are very few that I consider decent people. We know who they are because there are only a handful and they could labor mightily for the next 1,000 years and they still couldn`t undo the damage that the tribe has caused during the previous 100 years.
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### amundsen
*2002-04-03 13:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/5)
| **Quote** (Sertorius @ April 03 2002,07:59) | I thought about this some more and I`ll give you an analogy about "god`s chosen people." They remind me of a group of campers that are upstream from where you are at....**
I agree. ÃÂ And if you look into the structure and nature of their religion you see why. ÃÂ The religion is all bout trickery and deception of the self. ÃÂ Whereas Christianity is (in the tradition of Aquinas) part of a search for truth. ÃÂ The two stand in opposition and therefore adherants should be at war.
The Jewish religion is set up to create a parasitic relationship. ÃÂ They are vampires. ÃÂ Even the language tells us this. ÃÂ We have both Jew and Gyp to use when we are victimized by one of the two more successful tribes in our lands. ÃÂ That we would ever feel bad to have treated them poorly reflects just how stupid some of us are. ÃÂ Their whole culture is set up to take advantage of us.
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### Walter Yannis
*2002-04-09 05:13* | [User Profile](/od/user/57)
| **Quote** (Sertorius @ April 03 2002,05:59) | | Walter,
I thought about this some more and I`ll give you an analogy about "god`s chosen people." They remind me of a group of campers that are upstream from where you are at. You see them drawing water from the stream, then see them bathing in it and finally disposing body waste and their trash into it all the while knowing that you are downstream and you need that water too, but couldn`t care less. Their attitude is "hooray for me and to hell with you!" I see the same conduct when it comes to nations they live in save Israel. It infuriates me that today they are the ones trying to start WW III for the ultimate benefit of Israel at the expense of the U.S.
America? As long as it serves as a doormat for them is their sole concern. Their actions prove that to me.
There are very few that I consider decent people. We know who they are because there are only a handful and they could labor mightily for the next 1,000 years and they still couldn`t undo the damage that the tribe has caused during the previous 100 years.**
It was a rhetorical question. I agree that Jews suffer from a peculiar mental blindness. It's the thing that takes them up, but it's also the thing that takes them down.
Stanley Kubrick made one of the great films of the historical costume genre called "Barry Lyndon." This story of the young, talented and tough Irish outcast's rise to the top of English socieity (and his subsequent fall from grace) is an allegory for Kubrick's own tribe throughout the diaspora.
At one point the narrator intones something like "the drives that make a man great are the same drives that bring him low."
And that's about it in a nutshell.
Maybe at some point they'll see it. The author of this article appears to see it, as do Israel Shahak and Rabbi Lapin of Toward Tradition. I think that Kubrick was saying much the same thing. These men warn their own people against crapping in the nest, so to speak.
Walter
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### Gott
*2002-10-08 22:08* | [User Profile](/od/user/216)
Hello - I'm a newbie who followed a link from Alex Linder's great, inspiring site. The posts are smart and interesting (at least they seem so to me), even though I think Mr. Linder is right in criticizing the luxuriant verbiage and Olympian tone. But still, I like the posts I've read, so what the heck.
As to the Jews...I don't care if it is race or culture - the Jews are the most dangerous, lethal (and disgusting) entity on planet Earth. Our European civilization is seemingly in its death agony right now directly because of those blood suckers who spit on all genuine cultural, spiritual and moral values. And of course, they have long since murdered America - which is well on its way to becoming the next Brazil because of their hatred of the white race and their sickening, insatiable greed.
If by some miracle (IE, the reappearance of balls on white men) it is possible to step back from the ocean of sh*t into which they have plunged the world - how can anyone be so insane as to have anything to do with or give them any quarter? There is no compromising ever with Hostis Humanis Generis as the Romans so correctly called them.
Alex Linder is entirely right, and his fury is entirely legitimate - the honest, red-hot hatred he expresses is the only thing that vermin respect, understand and fear. Only when decent men utterly and totally anathemize that filth can it be crushed. And the longer it takes to happen, the closer our world comes to extinction.
Thank God for the Internet.
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### Ruffin
*2002-10-08 23:51* | [User Profile](/od/user/148)
Lewis Goldberg resigned from the League of the South's BOD shortly after 9/11/01, in a fit of indignation over that group's failure to display the proper amount of 'patriotism' and its refusal to jump on board Bush's war on 'terrorism'.
I don't know what the League's problem was - they spend all of their time proving they aren't racists anyway. They'd do just as well to adopt the star of David in place of their battleflag - it'd last longer on the statehouse dome.
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### TexasAnarch
*2002-10-10 21:00* | [User Profile](/od/user/199)
Shall we say "Seig Heil, Mein Gott!" ? Strap on a little Die Fuhrer regalia and pop some jew-corks? I mean, if they are parasitic, blood sucking vermin.
What we have here, folks, if I could turn this forum into a discussion board for one post, is a reverse-racist avatar invasion. Please take a deep breath if you care to read on. It will be a rebirth trip.
The "messianic cult" gig was getting too hot, what with me connecting the GOD BRINGS DEATH jokerman card played on the DC police ... to the Israel-is-my-religion political gang.
So what appears? ~WALLAH!~ a "new member", Gott himself, putting a little extra touch on points on view like mine: "I don't care if it is race or culture," it writes. "The Jews are the most dnagerous, lethal (and disgusting) entity on planet Earth. Our European civilization is seemingly in its death agony right now....". "Our European civilization"? I wonder if that doesn't perhaps say it all. This "Gott" is precisely the one Hitler's Germany followed. If it's not "culture or race", it's blood. Pure and simple. Jews are poisoning the pure "Aryan" (whatever that is) white blood. Bedrock. But that is what evil is.
The idea that Jews poison "our" racial blood was the group-fantasty that swept over Germany in 1933. This followed the Reichstag fire incident, blamed by the surging Nazi cadres and Chancellor Hitler on leftists --Trotskyites, Jews and pinko-liberals. Now that side of the complex is being deliberately revived, even in the same terms, if not by remnants of the same regime, in America. The ones doing it are on precisely the same spiritual level of discernment as those they are doing it to: pre-Protestant. The blood-Jesus level. Like: Christianity without the Christ. There is no Christ in it. That's why its the other side of the neocon Messiah schtick.
I call attention to the topic threading this discussion: "Complacency of the Jews", and to my consistent link of Jews and Catholics as parts of the coalition brought together by Bush's election, swearing a blood-oath (speaking virtually) to bring about war in Iraq, and infuse America's blood system with poisonous vaccines. Preparations for both kinds of "war" have gone on since day 1 of Bush's administration. They came together Sept. 9/11, 01 with the plane crash - anthrax attacks. Now they clash
together, full cymbal, again.
A massive blood-letting is planned, to be followed by an assault on
our actual anatomical fluids. A Jolt -- "Get your shots for (read: from)
Uncle Sam! you will be poisoning the war effort if you don't!" -- for WNV, smallpox, anthrax, Ebola, AIDS -- hey! do we know what Saddam will inflict next? Defense of HOMELAND SECURITY is pre-programmed, on the fantasy of poisoned/poisoning blood, to use of our very body to defend against "Jewish aggression". It should be recalled it was public health reasons that supplied the pretext for gassing Jews; de-lousing the vermin in the showers. I know this has been thrown in everybody's face to many times, like the picture of Bull Connors whacking MLK-ers, but it must be flagged as the cul-de-sac Zuider-Zee dumping-grounds the process will terminate in if allowed to follow these fanasties. Right-wing Jews will start out on the other side, where the Nazi's once stood toward them.
But the other side of complex must not be dropped. In closing, I wish to do two things: illustrate from April 3 "amundsen" post, above (this thread) the way this other side works; and then briefly analyze that.
(Commenting on Sertonius' "Jews are sh*t" metaphor <>) "I agree. And, if you look into the structure and nature of their religion, you see why. The religion is all about trickery and deceit of the self. Whereas Christianity is (in the tradition of Aquinas) part of a search of truth. The two stand in opposition and therefore adherants should be at war."
This position, though up-front enough to name its philosophical source (its part of the Bennett-ictine's gig, now), is all about trickery and deceit in all matters pertaining to the soul. Because Christianity, in the tradition of disciples other than Peters followers, is not about "search for truth", at all. That's the hip-george son-of yuppie "patriot" soul-rape kid fresh from St. Goehgan's right-wing retreat, showing us nice gullible white boys the way to be good Americans. "The Jewish religion is set up to create a pafrasitic relationship. They are vampires." Again, I say, confabulate fantasy-talk, contrived precisely without any libidinal component, as if byn rote, flat-affect, like Tarot card snipers. I'm sure they are not all like that, of course, but would they turn each other in?
This is the other side of the Cath-O-Jew blood-Jesus fantasy that has gripped America's unconscious psyche. In the secret intelligence/counter-intelligence agencies delegated to act out the worst "necessary" side of these shared fantasies the names Hanssenand Pollard can be mentioned as proof of actual moles. Josemaria Escrivar Balleguer, founder of the Opus Dei brotherhood (later broadened, somewhat) and secular-vocation
Catholic youth movement which drew hanssen in in the 60's, has just been canonized. The next Pope may well be Peru's cardinal, who is also Opus Dei member. They have an international media-financial-political empire rivaling that of a third-world country; have historically targeted America to preseletize (1840's); have traditional claims to hispanic immigrant history, into whose arms frightened immigrants must flee, to gain political protection, giving their protector' clout; and a President that is all ears when the Pope sneezes. If he and Ronald Reagan were to shuffle off this mortal coil at roughly the same time -- Mein GOTT! -- Speillberg, Nevarro-Valls, and Mary Matlyn??! Are you kidding me? The portals of Murdoch could never, never contain the the gush on its pages, however hard it tried, no, not with all the beelzebub TV coverage chipped in by every channel, every preacher, every singer of the Star Spangled Banner ... seque
to Giorgian choir chants of haunting, eternal beauty ... I expect the rapture soon after that, oh humans....put your money in the plate as it is passed among you, and we prefer the folding kind, not the change. Salvation may not come on the cheap, anymore, you know.
This is the analysis. America's psyche after Vietnam was demoralized. A spiritual hole was blown in its side, marked, among other things, by refusal to listen to vets talk about their experiences like a country is supposed to do after, to de-brief them,
and re-absorb the poison they have been injected with -- speaking metaphorically. However, through group fantasies, what is metaphorical takes on a literal meaning in the unconscious. (cf. sign-uses as signals, dreaded like the things they stand for) Poison lies on the
deepest, fetal side of the unconscious; this stands under, and in intra-psychic dynamic relationship with, the Oedipal side. The over-riding, all-
powerful drive toward BIRTH! = "Re-birth" which each mother's son of us in earth experienced separately....followed by the COSMIC BATTLE with the strangling, poisonous placenta to gain BREATH! = re-OXYGENATED BLOOD ... according to the Fetal Drama template groups act out, under the delusion that RENEWAL FROM "SIN" IS BOUGHT WITH BLOOD MONEY OF YOUTH. This is what I keep saying. When the Sharonazi Jews appropriated Bush's "war on terror", and, by re-definition, turned Palestinians into "terrorists", to justify turning their territories into ghettos with no future, they brought the Archetypal ambience from long ago (AB.RM -- the last Sumerian? --v. AB.RA. HAM -- first Semitic/Hebrew -- "RA" from Egypt? --monotheism was not the norm in Abraham's time circa 2000bc) ...this ancient ambience bounded into our post VIetnam war generational dynamic ... Fathers trying to find sons, again. Or vice versa, after the transgression. This is the cross the right-wing had to bear. It had to take them in, after Sharon called Bush's bluff. It comes bounding in through Europe's sorry past in WWII. "Wha' Yo sain' we dent whup th' Nazzupisters?" No. I'm saying we did. Anytime. Everytime. Just the way it is, and its that way now. Any fool, Jew, Catholic, Protestant, secular or not, knows that if Israel winds up historically on the side of Reagan-neocon Republicanism, it has lost its birth right. The point of all this is not to let it take ours -- AMerican Protestants and secularists, and whoever from the first two can be dragged over into the right camp. I call it true
American conservatism, I don't care what anybody else calls it.
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### Faust
*2002-10-17 03:18* | [User Profile](/od/user/60)
A pretty good Essay. I do know that much about Mr. Goldberg, but I have found some his writting somewaht weaker than I would like, but this one is pretty Good.
Mr. Goldberg even does a small attack on the "Holocaust" anti-"Nazis" types.
*Stalin made Hitler look like a Boy Scout who missed his morning Ritalin; and Pol Pot killed a far larger percentage of his nation's population than either Hitler or Stalin. So far, the Jews' Holocaust pity party has netted close to 100,000,000 additional deaths, because as long as there are no Jews being killed, everyone's happy...
The Jewish patent on suffering, an attitude that no one else can have a 'holocaust,' virtually guarantees that everyone will...
Where are the Jews at the gun shows? Where are the Jews lobbying for government to stop preventing expressions of faith? Where are the Jews when the abortionists are pushing on one end of the life cycle while euthanasia advocates are pushing on the other? Where are the Jews when the legal property of law-abiding Americans is being confiscated for the sake of saving some dumb animal? Where were the Jews when over 80 men, women, and children were burned to death by the same federal government that wants to run the nation's health care industry?*
I find Mr. Goldberg weak when it Comes to Race-Relation. His "His Pretending Not to Notice" article on race-relations looked something that could be put on FrontPageMag.com!
I reject all Multi-Racialism!
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### Faust
*2002-10-17 03:24* | [User Profile](/od/user/60)
**Ruffin,**
Thanks for the information.
*Lewis Goldberg resigned from the League of the South's BOD shortly after 9/11/01, in a fit of indignation over that group's failure to display the proper amount of 'patriotism' and its refusal to jump on board Bush's war on 'terrorism'.
I don't know what the League's problem was - they spend all of their time proving they aren't racists anyway. They'd do just as well to adopt the star of David in place of their battleflag - it'd last longer on the statehouse dome.*
**You are most Right! I do not like the LOS much anyway they seem to spent all thier time looking for non-White Confederates, proving they aren't racists and other PC nonsense!**
See:
Rainbow Confederacy? Not!
[url=http://members.aol.com/GrayFox65/rainbow.html]http://members.aol.com/GrayFox65/rainbow.html[/url]
Dennis Wheeler's Home Page:
[url=http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/]http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/[/url]
Committee of Correspondence for Southern Independence
[url=http://members.aol.com/GrayFox65/south.html]http://members.aol.com/GrayFox65/south.html[/url]
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### Ruffin
*2002-10-17 05:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/148)
Faust -
I gave up on the LS, for the reasons you mention. Note that Goldberg ditched it only when Israel called, patriotic anti-terrorist that he is. So now he writes an article on, what else, Jews. Busy beavers that they are, I can't picture them as complacent. I get the impression that he's onto the growing unpopularity of the holyhoax and is pitching a deal - they'll concede that old Gentile Stalin was a terrible fellow so long as we maintain at least *some* belief that Hitler was a monster too.
Devious as ever, he seems to be addressing Jews when in fact his message is aimed at the goy *who're all fired up and ready to fight* for Israel - or at least *the patriotic ones are.*
Maybe I'm a cynic.
~ Ruffin
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### Red
*2002-10-31 02:00* | [User Profile](/od/user/229)
Guys, great site.
I'd like to point out that my perspective is one of the simple Rednek, hence my handle.
I wanted to comment on this...
* I agree. And if you look into the structure and nature of their religion you see why. The religion is all bout trickery and deception of the self. *
Now, I don't want to be controversial
in my very first post and all, but the italicized statement pretty well sums up my position as well.
I'd only like to point out that their "religion", in my view has little to do with worship of God and tends to concern itself with the worship of "Jewishness."
It seems to have culminated in the modern version of Zionism, the thoroughly modern Jewish version of Nazism.
I'd also have to disagree with this statement...
The idea that Jews poison "our" racial blood was the group-fantasty that swept over Germany in 1933.
I do not believe for a MOMENT that the actions expressed against Judah in post-Weimar Germany were the results of a "group fantasy". Only in the psycho babble world of Freudian "interpretation" can such nonsense be postulated.
Nations are not swept by sudden "fantasies", let alone entire continents. I mean, sure, such explanations are tidy, but they do NOTHING to address the "cause and effect" that accompanies real life.
There is a school of thought that says that man springs from culture. Another says that culture springs from man. In either case, a tiny minority which holds power over an oppressed majority, could be said to be "posioning" the blood of what had been "pure".
I once watched Rabbi Daniel Lappin address a gathering of influential Jewish leaders at a conference aired one late night on C-span.
He noted that America has been very good to the Jews.
He also noted that Jews had been driven from every land they had been allowed into over the centuries for offending the sensibilities of the host cultures in trying to force feed them Jewish viewpoints.
He then noted that at this time in America, Jews are in the forefront of almost every notably divisive political movement pulling at the seams of the country today.
Of course, a simple paraphrase couldn't do justice to the very eloquent speech of the Rabbi, but I did sit stunned as his audience met his rebuke with stoney silence.
He seemed to have a grasp of history that most modern day Jews do not.
Anti-Semitism (how I despise that deceitful term) does not spring from a vacuum, neither do the chills and fever of a man stricken with influenza.
There is a cause and effect.
The "group fantasy" of Hitlerian Germany was shared in every country his army marched into. Those countries to the east GLADLY offered up their Jewish "Kommizars" and other minor tyrants, as did a large segment of the countries to the west of him.
It would seem that "group fantasies" struck a continent at once.
Perhaps the groups were dreaming of a land where the values of the majority replaced those of a ruling minority?
As long as group fanatasies are being bantied about, I'd love to discuss those "eyewitness" reports of those that swore that millions of Jews were either eletrocuted, clubbbed to death by clubbing machines, or boiled alive. :o
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### Sertorius
*2002-10-31 17:27* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
Red,
Greetings and welcome to the forum. That was a great post you wrote. I certainly can`t disagree with what you wrote, for I hold the same opinion.
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-26 18:06* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
Hey Red, good post.
I've always been interested in exaggerated war crimes, and after Henry Kissinger called Christopher Hitchens a "holocaust denier" on TV a few months ago, I've put in hundreds of man-hours on the subject.
I'm not sure about the rules for posting though. Could I start a topic about that? If so, on which forum?
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### George
*2002-12-26 18:36* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
> *Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell*@Dec 26 2002, 18:06
** Hey Red, good post.
I've always been interested in exaggerated war crimes, and after Henry Kissinger called Christopher Hitchens a "holocaust denier" on TV a few months ago, I've put in hundreds of man-hours on the subject.
I'm not sure about the rules for posting though. Could I start a topic about that? If so, on which forum? **
In my opinion, "it" was exaggerated a little bit... but REAL... I've read so many sites... like you have Oliver C... and the most Honest (& perhaps erudite) perspective, given the hope for all-sidedness (in This world), happened here, believe it or not... with some things I've read by Walter Yannis...
We're all (or at least sadly 'were') HUNTING one another...as a knee-jerk reaction... due to our Different traits... under G-d, which mother Nature, under G-d has cultivated in us all... over Millenniums... and I suppose only G-d Knows how much longer BACK that goes-?-...
"It" was REAL... sadly, it still is (in its vestiges & traces)...and in behalf of all-sidedness... all sides are yet GUILTY...sadly...
One day the question will be simply: "How can you MEND a broken heart? ..."
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-26 18:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
Well, I wont pretend that I understood your post, George.
I have spent some time on the Human Soap Libel, and can point interested people to the relevant Nuremberg affidavits, and can provide the alleged murder mechanisms of the various camps, etc..
But frankly, you post seems somewhat, shall we say, vague.
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### George
*2002-12-26 19:28* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
Bith-ch... that's an endearment, which tags on to me as well... also bith-ches...of that gender too... (they know)... however re: vagueness... let me get specific, & brief, I'm guilty...aren't you?
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### Ragnar
*2002-12-26 20:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/8)
> *Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell*@Dec 26 2002, 18:50
**
I have spent some time on the Human Soap Libel, and can point interested people to the relevant Nuremberg affidavits, and can provide the alleged murder mechanisms of the various camps, etc..
**
This is an interesting topic and maybe a new thread is in order?
What I was told by an uncle who helped "liberate" Germany first hand was that this business with the soap, lampshades and so on was war propaganda that got out of hand. But that's not the oddest part.
*His* father had been in World War I and told him the "Hun" atrocity stories of the first war were being recycled for the second. He mentioned in particular the endless stories of the Brutal Hun raping Brave Little Belgium and said the stuff was replayed word-for-word from 1939 on.
None of this would surprise me if it turned out to be true. The Human Soap stories (along with the skin lampshades) strike me as so over the top that educated minds of the 21st century should find them laughable.
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### George
*2002-12-26 20:39* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
It didn't get "there" yet... so I agree with Ragnar...
Sadly?well I think it's sad... it's "there" today...
Rag...is sublimated to the Xtreme... (although not a "Christian"... in his own mind, nor necessarily "Jew" either, in his opinion)...
One of us had better call up the "cops"... no, no, no, ----------T.D. at least, is still in Control...
You've been hiding a little bit, Rag... no?
ALL OF THAT'S OVER already rag... rest... you're not even 'that' important...
wow, T.D., Blonde ambition...
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-26 21:43* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
Sorry about being so judgemental, George, I remember when I had my first beer.
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-26 21:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
The most relevant documents concerning Soap Libel are:
USSR Document number 196
USSR Document number 197
USSR Exhibit number 393
They can be found by a google search.
They consist of a general recipe for making soap on the letter head of the Danzig Anatomical Institite, which is of the general nature of the kinds used to teach organic chemistry all over the world. It says nothing about human fat.
Also, an affidavit by Sigumund Josefovich Mazur, a petty criminal hauled out of a Polish prison to be interviewed. He was never cross examined.
The example provided the IMT at Nuremberg of Human Soap seems to have gone the way of all those other examples of Human Soap which were in Jewish WW2 shrines, in the sence nobody seems to know were they are. After several bars were tested and shown to be fake, the rest dissapeared.
Regards
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### Javelin
*2002-12-26 22:05* | [User Profile](/od/user/105)
> *Originally posted by George*@Dec 26 2002, 19:28
**Bith-ch... that's an endearment, which tags on to me as well... also bith-ches...of that gender too... (they know)... however re: vagueness... let me get specific, & brief, I'm guilty...aren't you?**
What are you guilty of , George. I used to be a priest in a previous life. I can take your confession right now, you can let out a few primal screams and the matter will be settled.
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### Sertorius
*2002-12-27 02:18* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
Oliver,
> **I'm not sure about the rules for posting though. Could I start a topic about that? If so, on which forum?
**
Put your research in the "History and Science" Folder. I would be interested in seeing it and I know there are others who would as well.
BTW, one of those bars of "soap" is supposed to be buried in Atlanta`s Oakland cemetary, according to an old newspaper story meant to be a tear jerker.
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-28 16:02* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
Thanks for your advice, I opened a thread there.
The US Holocaust Museum actively discourages Jews promoting Soap Libel. The problem is that when people learn that it didn't happen, people will begin to wonder about the large scale homicidal gas chambers, for which there is also no forensic evidence.
In other words, when someone claims Soap Libel, it provides ammunition for Revisionists.
Also, according to the Nuremberg affidavites, the corpses were said to have come from the Stutthoff concentration camp, and no where do the affidavits claim that the corpses were Jewish.
The same is true of the Human Lampshade story. Buchenwald primarily held nonJews, and there is of course a cultural retecense among Jews to tatoo themselves. In the Germany of the time, tattoing was largley confined to Gentile criminals and sailors.
Regards.
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### Sertorius
*2002-12-28 16:15* | [User Profile](/od/user/26)
Oliver,
You`re welcome.
The story about the lampshades is just more of the same nonsense.
That reminds me. When I was in Germany a trip was arranged to see Dachau. There was a crowd of people in one area and a friend of mine said in a loud voice, "Where`s the souvenier shop? I want to get me a Jew skin lampshade!" :D
Needless to say, he received alot of dirty looks.
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### George
*2002-12-29 21:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
Oliver remembers his first beer, he says. Javelin-Catcher, will take my confession... I remember my first 1/2 pint of Gordons Vodka, mixed in with orange juice... (and the feeling of love?or the hope of it...) And javelin-catcher, you said you love taking those spears?or being called the javelin catcher? I remember my first, unwitting ejaculation...and then being told by a catholic priest it was a MORTAL sin...and if I didn't get to confession promptly, I was going to "hell" if I died then.
What a zoo. However I agree with free speech... and appreciate, inevitably, under G-d... Oliver's, mine...even if hung-over (not always) and javelin-catcher's. Oliver C's funny though, can you imagine his presumptuousness, like his name sake's... still though Appropriate, in the Context...my argument, Exactly. We got green alligators and long-necked-geese... and thsome chimpanzeesth...
Then G-d 'thought' he could do better... and did...
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-30 04:28* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
Why does every website like this have an idiot who speaks in his own secret code?
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### George
*2002-12-31 01:51* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
> *Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell*@Dec 30 2002, 04:28
** Why does every website like this have an idiot who speaks in his own secret code? **
For love of Jesus? Or, Oliver? 'It takes a Village'...idiot...Jews know this...they accept contextually, an Oliver...(I guess he hasn't noticed)...or a 'me'. Answer your question, Oliver?...
Why, happily & sadly, I prefer a Yannis. 'That'...too much (yet) of a "code"? No problem, fortunately, there's still a Rome...which all roads, (yet) lead to...Hey, the bith-ches Know...even if mostly Unconsciously...oh, no, I'z lapsing into a pop song: "oh, bith-ches...don't get out the way, don't get out the way, bith-ches...(G-d bless), Don't get out the way..." :D Always a bit of a strectch, for All...E.g. ed gibbon is such an idiot...too... 'It takes a Village' idiot... Rejoice...hey maybe even so's Mr. P. ... ed's nemesis... I say to all G-d's children... Don't get out the way, don't get out the way... If Nietzsche were here, he'd be saying, in my opinion...oh, ok... Don't get out the way, don't get out the way? ... :rolleyes:
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### Oliver Cromwell
*2002-12-31 02:43* | [User Profile](/od/user/267)
The only similarity you have to Nietzsche is that he was mad, just like you, before he died. And I don't mean angry. Although I doubt his lisped like a faggot.
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### George
*2003-01-03 02:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/74)
> *Originally posted by Oliver Cromwell*@Dec 31 2002, 02:43
** The only similarity you have to Nietzsche is that he was mad, just like you, before he died. And I don't mean angry. Although I doubt his lisped like a faggot. **
The greatest similarity you have with myself, is the great "O" in oliver... and my butt hole... if you ever do feel like you're in the chit-fall Jungle... although you may not immediately notice-?-well, you're right... you are there... You never understood Nietzsche, of course... and if you're white... which I suppose you are, sadly, among other things... (none of you came to his rescue) in his race, it drove him mad...? I don't know... Hole... deep dark...ignoramus... and the pit...
Now it's clear to me, in the comparison, why I prefer ed gibbon... "smell"...
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### Ponce
*2003-12-27 05:14* | [User Profile](/od/user/901)
[QUOTE=Red]Guys, great site.
I'd like to point out that my perspective is one of the simple Rednek, hence my handle.
I wanted to comment on this...
* I agree. And if you look into the structure and nature of their religion you see why. The religion is all bout trickery and deception of the self. *
Now, I don't want to be controversial
in my very first post and all, but the italicized statement pretty well sums up my position as well.
I'd only like to point out that their "religion", in my view has little to do with worship of God and tends to concern itself with the worship of "Jewishness."
It seems to have culminated in the modern version of Zionism, the thoroughly modern Jewish version of Nazism.
I'd also have to disagree with this statement...
The idea that Jews poison "our" racial blood was the group-fantasty that swept over Germany in 1933.
I do not believe for a MOMENT that the actions expressed against Judah in post-Weimar Germany were the results of a "group fantasy". Only in the psycho babble world of Freudian "interpretation" can such nonsense be postulated.
Nations are not swept by sudden "fantasies", let alone entire continents. I mean, sure, such explanations are tidy, but they do NOTHING to address the "cause and effect" that accompanies real life.
There is a school of thought that says that man springs from culture. Another says that culture springs from man. In either case, a tiny minority which holds power over an oppressed majority, could be said to be "posioning" the blood of what had been "pure".
I once watched Rabbi Daniel Lappin address a gathering of influential Jewish leaders at a conference aired one late night on C-span.
He noted that America has been very good to the Jews.
He also noted that Jews had been driven from every land they had been allowed into over the centuries for offending the sensibilities of the host cultures in trying to force feed them Jewish viewpoints.
He then noted that at this time in America, Jews are in the forefront of almost every notably divisive political movement pulling at the seams of the country today.
Of course, a simple paraphrase couldn't do justice to the very eloquent speech of the Rabbi, but I did sit stunned as his audience met his rebuke with stoney silence.
He seemed to have a grasp of history that most modern day Jews do not.
Anti-Semitism (how I despise that deceitful term) does not spring from a vacuum, neither do the chills and fever of a man stricken with influenza.
There is a cause and effect.
The "group fantasy" of Hitlerian Germany was shared in every country his army marched into. Those countries to the east GLADLY offered up their Jewish "Kommizars" and other minor tyrants, as did a large segment of the countries to the west of him.
It would seem that "group fantasies" struck a continent at once.
Perhaps the groups were dreaming of a land where the values of the majority replaced those of a ruling minority?
As long as group fanatasies are being bantied about, I'd love to discuss those "eyewitness" reports of those that swore that millions of Jews were either eletrocuted, clubbbed to death by clubbing machines, or boiled alive. :o[/QUOTE]
The USA fought the "commies" for many years and yet 99% of Americans don't know that the Jews were the founders of the Communist party. Six of the top nine top dogs were Jews, 85% of Jews were member of the secret police, the one incharge of the secret police was Solomon (a Jew). The Zar was killed by the Jews....... If it wasent for uncle Joe we would all be bouncing our head against a "holy wall" by now and Herr Hitler helped somehow but failed.
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### TexasAnarch
*2003-12-28 07:14* | [User Profile](/od/user/199)
"I'd also have to disagree with this statement...
The idea that Jews poison "our" racial blood was the group-fantasty that swept over Germany in 1933.
I do not believe for a MOMENT that the actions expressed against Judah in post-Weimar Germany were the results of a "group fantasy". Only in the psycho babble world of Freudian "interpretation" can such nonsense be postulated."
How does Mr "Red" explain the huge discrepancy between 1. the widespread belief that there was official Nazi state policy to eliminater Jews in gas chambers by poisoning; and 2. the lack of evidence, pointed out by holocaust revisionists? -- if it isn't/wasn't group-fantasy? When Reagan came into office, he and what he did were so psychologically poisonous that there was a wave of actual acting-out poisonings across the land in '82, as I recall. It came and went, as historical group fantasies do. But look what they leave behind.
Whether its his avowed redneck perspective or something else (he doesn't [I]sound[/I] redneck), Red obviously doesn't know from diddly about, for instance, birth-trauma and the compulsion to repeat the Cosmic Battle (wars) against poisonous placentae (demon-filled enemies, like Saddam Hussein and Milosevic, invariably adorned with evil-placenta/mother images --poisoned his own people" -- obviously the same delusion) everywhere by individuals as well as groups -- who have regressed to the level of fetal unconsciousness and need rebirth. Hallucinating poisonous jews, leading to jews acting-out the unc. signal to do it, is what explains "anti-semitism", and "scapegoating" in general (=punishing another for one's own sins -- best illustrated by what the jews, representing all humanity, did to Christ, a group-fantasy that swept the to-be western civilized world for two millenia, so big was the group-fantasy.) In this one, Jesus was the fetal hero, as I have explained elsewhere here:
[url]http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=11562&page=5[/url],
point 7. Now there's a biggie for group-fantasy denywers to deny. If you think all that stuff really happened, ask Metternik and Mithras.
Color of the neck shouldn't choke the intellect.
Just because there are historical group-fantasies (widely shared unconscious fantasies of individuals about groups that sweep through populations like mass epidemic hysterias -- "Al Queda") doesn't mean there isn't cause and effect at other levels. Of course there is. Why shouldn't there be? But the ultimate causal level is psychological, and that don't mean "rational", it means unconsciously motivated by re-birth compulsions to get rid of phantom poisonous (strangling, pressuring, heating...) placentae by people who have sunk into desparate sinfulness like a slough of despair, and [B]can't get out[/B] . It's about sinfulness and rebirth. Its human nature, but not in the DNA.
Where did this eruption of ignorance come from, I wonder. I know for sure (since I know L. deMause who created the theory -- not Freud, but Freud[B]ian[/B]) the CIA uses group-fantasy analysis as one control device. It makes good assassination propaganda cover, as Daniel Pearl illustrates. Maybe it won't work if people catch on. That would explain "Red". Anybody who doesn't think groups act in crazy ways has got to be crazy, looking for "causes and effects."
Added: this relates to the vaccination compulsion. Injecting cow pus is poisonoin oneself; all live vaccines are a form of poison. Well, the historical group fantasy sweeping America today is the same as that in Hitler's Germany -- our way of life is poisoned by jews. As noted above, just because something is a fantasty doesn't mean it isn't true, as well; just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't ....etc. -- people act out unconscious goup fantasies and think they are "being themselves"! The acting-out is done from a delegate-position of consciousness -- self-delegated, as when one takes personal responsibility for what they believe the Group they represent would want to have someone do: -- a crazy person saying "Our god doesn't like you". The use of "our" is from the self-delegated position of conscousness, since noone appointed anyone to speak for anyone but themselves, people just do it anyway due to residual unconscious family identifications.)
"George" seems to be one of the names preferred by self-delegated jew. Gets under the skin of anyone who might associate it at a deep level with the first president of our country. This one's not very good. Always interesting to see how long they think they should persist without contributing anything except that.
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### Mack
*2004-01-01 04:27* | [User Profile](/od/user/513)
Supposedly,"Soberkommando 1005" was a Nazi unit of jews detailed to destroy evidence of the death camps in the face of the advancing Red Army; after they opened up the mass graves the remains were disposed of in bone mills.
Such a fantasy as this to explain the absence of the genocide is just more proof that it never happened at all. The complacency of our masters is great when they present such stories as Soberkommando 1005, and a signal that they are losing their grip by grasping at such nonsense.
By their complacency the Jews make known their contempt, and their impending fall from power.
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### TexasAnarch
*2004-01-01 15:25* | [User Profile](/od/user/199)
[QUOTE=Mack]Supposedly,"Soberkommando 1005" was a Nazi unit of jews detailed to destroy evidence of the death camps in the face of the advancing Red Army; after they opened up the mass graves the remains were disposed of in bone mills.
Such a fantasy as this to explain the absence of the genocide is just more proof that it never happened at all. The complacency of our masters is great when they present such stories as Soberkommando 1005, and a signal that they are losing their grip by grasping at such nonsense.
By their complacency the Jews make known their contempt, and their impending fall from power.[/QUOTE]
Got that. It takes me several readings, anymore, to see how twisted the levels of fanasy cover-up go. Not just second, but third (and fourth, and counting) 'takes'. Whatever they think you can't figure out.
Note (I do word-phrase-picture associations compulsively -- "Love Your Compulsions" -- guru joe): Do you see "double fantasy"? construct in choice of designators like "Soberkommando 1005" (Flight 007; Elizabeth ("get") Smart", "Operation Iraqi Freedom", "9/11", etc.) It seems to me these catchy gnomers cannot all have been coincidental, but calculated as part of the "act" -- so that, when brought back by [B]S*[/B] (my abbreviation for "sign use") signal-recall, the memory will be led down a "second track" of disinformation, with resulting take-outs for "conspiracy nuts" to squabble over, and thus prevent ever seeing the event as it happened in context.
Absolutely agree, also, on what the use of such pathetic (but [I]effecient [/I]! devices indicates about the users. The jewcon situation is desparate, now that Dean has looked south and uttered "Jesus" and "Confederate flag" together in the same (extended) sentence. Did you see this?
[url]http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/grills_20031231.html[/url]
December 31, 2003
You've Got the Wrong Jesus, Howard
Matt Grills
Howard Dean has joined that elite pool of politicians who use Jesus as a prop on the presidential campaign trail.
Unfortunately for Dean, only the stupid will fall for his hearts-and-fish-symbol-on-my-car routine. He did everything but stage an altar call this week, when he announced heââ¬â¢d be trumpeting his faith in Christ during his swing through the Southern states.
I use the word ââ¬Åfaithââ¬Â loosely. Iââ¬â¢m not saying Dean is lying about being a Christian. What I am saying is that if a memorial to devout Christians were constructed tomorrow, youââ¬â¢d find his name alongside such stalwarts of the faith as John Lennon and Ted Turner.
[B]John Lennon and Ted Turner ?[/B] These jewcons'ld Jeesuzshit the Almighty.
Woe to those who are at ease in Zion, saith the Lord..
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### Ponce
*2004-02-01 01:51* | [User Profile](/od/user/901)
[QUOTE=Oliver Cromwell]Well, I wont pretend that I understood your post, George.
I have spent some time on the Human Soap Libel, and can point interested people to the relevant Nuremberg affidavits, and can provide the alleged murder mechanisms of the various camps, etc..
But frankly, you post seems somewhat, shall we say, vague.[/QUOTE]
Think of how many lies the Zionists are putting out now days and then work your way back. Do you wonder why those people have been kicked out of 48 countrys? many of them twice like Spain and Italy. Where ever they go they make trouble, people dislike them not for being Jews but for the way that they act as Jews, or should I say as Zionist Jews????????,,,,,Ponce
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### Ponce
*2004-02-01 01:54* | [User Profile](/od/user/901)
[QUOTE=Oliver Cromwell]Why does every website like this have an idiot who speaks in his own secret code?[/QUOTE]
Many of us have something to say, even if it is in different way. As the old saying goes, if you listen to an idiot long enough sooner or later he will tell you something that you don't know........ Ponce
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### Ed Toner
*2004-02-04 19:16* | [User Profile](/od/user/66)
I wouldn't be too judgemental about bad Jewish genes.
I know many families of mixed Jew Gentile offspring that are just fine. In each case the Jew, husband or wife, was of Russian stock.
One family in particular is a good example. The old patriac, Ben, a Brooklynite who married a woman of Romanian/Christian background got fed up with Judaism as a religion, told the Rabbi to stuff his fees for good seats at the Synagoge on holidays, and became an athiest, which I suspect he was anyway, for some time. His 4 children, now grown, are all good looking, bright people who are good Americans. Both is attractive daughters are now Christian, and raising their children as Catholics.
Ben himself hates Blacks and is a very politically conservative man. He enlisted in WWII and spentthe war fighting Japs with flame throwers.
These are intelligent people, and when given the chance to mix freely with the rest of us, are quite often assets.
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