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Thread ID: 20924 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2005-11-06
2005-11-06 19:23 | User Profile
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Chinese Jews - History of Jewish Community in China
Archaelogical evidence suggests that Jews were in China as early as the 8th Century, having arrived from Persia along the Silk Road. In 1163 the Emperor ordered the Jews to live in Kaifeng, where they built the first Chinese synagogue. Marco Polo recorded that Kublai Khan celebrated the festivals of the Muslims, Christians and Jews, indicating that there were a significant number of Jews in China in the 13th Century.
A Ming Emperor conferred on the Jews seven surnames - Ai, Lao, Jin, Li, Shi, Zhang and Zhao. To this day Chinese Jews will only have one of these seven names. Christian missionaries also recorded meetings with Chinese Jews. At least one synagogue was constructed, and the community was active for about eight centuries. Currently, the Vatican holds letters from Jesuits in the 18th Century describing the daily life and religious practices of Jews in Kaifeng, and drawings of their synagogue.
Westerners lost touch with Kaifeng Jews in the mid-1700s. It was not until 1900 that an effort was made to re-establish contact.
In the late 19th century, Russian Jewish communities were founded in Harbin, Tianjin and elsewhere. The project to construct a Russian railway to East Asia was centered in Harbin. Anxious to populate the city, the Russian government provided incentives to minorities, including Jews and Karaites, to settle there. In the early years of the 20th century, Jews fleeing pogroms in the Pale of Settlement and demobilized soldiers from the Russo-Japanese War joined them, raising the Jewish population of Harbin to approximately 8,000 by 1908. The Russian Revolution of 1917 practically doubled the size of the community, and served as a stimulus to Zionist activism. Japanese annexation in 1931 brought increased restrictions on many facets of life, and many Jews left for free countries. Most of the Russian Jews remaining at the end of World War II emigrated to the West. Some were repatriated, both voluntarily and involuntarily, to the Soviet Union.
The development of the port city of Shanghai as a Jewish center parallels that of Hong Kong. Sephardi families from Baghdad, Bombay and Cairo, including the Kadoories, Sassons and Hardoons, established a communal structure in Shanghai in the 19th century. By 1903, there were three synagogues in the city, and the number of Jews totaled to 30,000. However, most of them fled when the Communists took over in 1959.
The Chinese government now recognizes Jews as an official Chinese ethnic group. On Sept. 29, 2000, Rosh Hashanah services were held at the Ohel Rachel Synagogue for the first time in nearly 50 years. There are also a Jewish library and a Jewish museum in the city. Please note that their name-changing habits had to be dealt with even back then;> A Ming Emperor conferred on the Jews seven surnames - Ai, Lao, Jin, Li, Shi, Zhang and Zhao.
2005-11-06 19:40 | User Profile
Check out Mao on wikipedia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong[/url]
Mao divorced He Zizhen and married the actress Lan Ping, who would become known as Jiang Qing. Note that his wife came from a profession belonging to a certain "special" people. Note also that her name "Jaing" is very similar to Zhang, a Chinese Jew name, Note also that she was a name-changer. Also note that Mao's personal doctor was Dr. Li Zhisui and that Li is a Chinese Jew name.
Reading about Zhu De, who helped Mao build the guerilla army:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_De[/url]
I came across this tidbit:
During the Long March Zhu De and Zhang Guotao commanded the "western column" of the Red Army Note that Zhang is a Chinese Jew name.
Look folks, I know nothing about China and found this much in 20 minutes. It does not take a keen sense of the obvious to see that communism in China was no different than communism in Cuba or Russia.
2005-11-06 19:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis] Also note that Mao's personal doctor was Dr. Li Zhisui and that Li is a Chinese Jew name.
Note that Zhang is a Chinese Jew name.[/QUOTE]
Are you aware how many multiple millions of "Lis" or "Zhangs" there are in China? Chinamen are really without imagination when it comes to naming their children.
It painful to see you blathering with such confidence on matters you know (by your own admission) nothing about.
Petr
2005-11-06 20:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]#sigh#
Are you aware how many multiple millions of "Lis" or "Zhangs" there are in China? Chinamen are really without imagination when it comes to naming their children.
It painful to see you blathering with such confidence on matters you know (by your own admission) nothing about.
Petr[/QUOTE]
Read this from wikipedia again:> A Ming Emperor conferred on the Jews seven surnames - Ai, Lao, Jin, Li, Shi, Zhang and Zhao.
If I am not mistaken, Chinese give their last name first. That said, it is unlikely that Chinese people would have absorbed these names by naming their children...and as you know, name changers almost always fall into a singular category.
I really doubt the Emperor gave Jews names that other Chinese had. After all, why do you think he had to give Jews names in the first place? Because he knew they had the be identified, and he knew they were chronic name-changers.
There are probably many Jews in China who escaped the Emperors naming, having been more covert about their Jewishness, but very unlikely that there are chinese with these names.
2005-11-06 20:09 | User Profile
Here is an article on a Jewish site that explains how easily Jews could infiltrate Chinese institutions:
[url]http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/7136/format/html/displaystory.html[/url]
On his first visit in 1982, he was determined that his group meet the descendants of the Chinese Jews. Four men claiming Jewish ancestry visited Gabow's hotel. One was a Mr. Zhao, age 56.
"He had a larger nose than most Chinese," Gabow said. The men "were taller than the average Chinese and their straight hair had some kinkiness."
Although Gabow said the Chinese Jews had some distinctive physical features, the differences were "not noticeable unless you really looked." One of the reasons, he said, is that they had become biologically and culturally assimilated.
"They had become biologically assimilated" yet had some Jewish features and identity.
What this means is that China is full of Jews that the Chinese are not aware of.
2005-11-07 17:53 | User Profile
Travis, I found the following in my notes on China.
In 1960, a fourteen member panel was gathered in Communist China (nine Chinese and five foreigners), to translate a new edition of Chairman Mao's writings into English...One of the translators was an American-born Jew named Sidney Rittenberg who worked for the Chinese Communist Broadcast Administration.
Other non-Chinese members of the team were Michael Shapiro, who worked at the New China News Agency, Sol Adler an economist, Israel Epstein, a China historian, and Frank Coe another economist.
Mr. Rittenberg eventually moved back to the United States, and worked as a consultant to American firms doing business in China. :rolleyes:
Source:The Man Who Stayed Behind, Sidney Rittenberg & Amanda Bennett, 1993, P.249 & 251, Simon & Schuster.
2005-11-08 02:00 | User Profile
Thanks, Vytis. One has to wonder why Mao would be so trusting of Jews unless he had some Jewish ancestry....maybe just enough to close his eyes...or even enough to consciously participate in global Jewish planning.
Patterns seldom lie, and almost all the major players in communism were at least "part Jew". What really worries me is that the Jews will ultimately herd hundreds of millions of Chinese to our shores on some faulty premise or another... "peacekeepers"..."stability"... "foreign assets" protecting us...or whatever. There will be no recovery after that. I think it's inevitable.
2005-11-08 02:16 | User Profile
You're being delusional, Travis. Chinese are not letting [B]any[/B] outsiders use them as pawns or tell them what to do. The very notion that Jews could infiltrate hyper-xenophobic China in the same manner as pluralistic America is cartoonish.
Petr
2005-11-08 03:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]You're being delusional, Travis. Chinese are not letting [B]any[/B] outsiders use them as pawns or tell them what to do. The very notion that Jews could infiltrate hyper-xenophobic China in the same manner as pluralistic America is cartoonish.
Petr[/QUOTE]
I am with you on this Petr, china will clean house a hell of a lot faster than the way that Russia is doing now.
I hate to say this but the only real place for the Jews (Zionists) to be in is the US but only for as long as the American people keeps asleep.
"When the truth comes into the light the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce
2005-11-08 13:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]You're being delusional, Travis. Chinese are not letting [B]any[/B] outsiders use them as pawns or tell them what to do. The very notion that Jews could infiltrate hyper-xenophobic China in the same manner as pluralistic America is cartoonish.
Petr[/QUOTE]I hope you're right. I sure don't see them as hyper xenophobic. After all, they have had all those Arabs and Jews living amongst them all those centuries. Granted, they don't have black gangbangers strutting down their streets, but I don't see them as being vigilant in that regard. I think Jews could easily use them as pawns if they look sorta Chinese. Rhinoplasty and a little skin removed from each temple and many Jews would look Chinese. Many already have the shallow set eyes and broad bite. It should not be that hard for the world's greatest infiltrators to blend in.
2005-11-08 17:36 | User Profile
Travis, here's something else for your notes...The Hong Kong Jewish community is probably the richest in the world ($$$$$)...
Source: The Jerusalem Report magazine, March 20, 1997, P. 44 & 45.
2005-11-08 18:36 | User Profile
Petr,
You also need to consider that the Chinese nation is a nation of different ethnic peoples. The are not a homogeous people. The peoples of the North are of different genetic stocks than the peoples in the south. Most are of Mongoloid ancestry but not all. I also knew a Russian Jewish professor who lived in a Russian community in China before WWII and has to leave whe Mao took over and he and his family emigrated and eventually came to the US. Here is another source of Jews to come into the Chinese community.