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Thread ID: 20893 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2005-11-04
2005-11-04 23:35 | User Profile
If this story is true, it is time for the "elders" in the GOP to sit down with President Clouseau and explain that the guys with the butterfly nets & jacket with the long sleeves that tie in the back really are his friends, and he needs to go with them quietly.
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From Capitol Hill Blue
The Rant GOP Leaders to Bush: 'Your Presidency is Effectively Over' By DOUG THOMPSON Nov 4, 2005, 08:13
A growing number of Republican leaders, party strategists and political professional now privately tell President George W. Bush that his presidency "is effectively over" unless he fires embattled White House advisor Karl Rove, apologizes to the American people for misleading the country into war and revamps his administration from top to bottom.
"The only show of unity we have now in the Republican Party is the belief that the President has failed the party, the American people and the presidency," says a longtime, and angry, GOP strategist.
With the public face of support for Bush eroding daily from even diehard Republicans, the President faces mounting anger from within his party over the path that may well lead to loss of control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections and the White House in 2008.
"This presidency is in trouble," says a senior White House aide. "Even worse, I don't know if there is a way out of the trouble."
Congressional leaders journeyed to the White House before Bush left on his South American tour this week to tell the President that his legislative agenda on the Hill is dead, his latest Supreme Court nominee faces a tough confirmation fight in the Senate and he is facing open revolt within party ranks.
"The Speaker is having an increasingly difficult time holding his troops in line," says a source within the office of House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert. "Anger at the President grows exponentially with each passing day."
At a recent White House strategy session, internal party pollsters told the President that his approval rating with Americans continues to slide and may be irreversible, citing his failed Iraq war, the failed Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers and his failure to deal decisively on a number of fronts, including Hurricane Katrina, the economy and the Valerie Plame scandal.
In meetings, leaders and strategists have suggested a number of things that Bush must do to try and save his presidency and GOP prospects in upcoming elections, including:
* Apologize to the American people, Congress and our allies for misleading them on the reasons for invading Iraq;
* Revamp the White House staff from top to bottom;
* Fire Rove.
"We keep coming back to Rove," says a GOP pollster. "He has escaped indictment, so far, but the feeling within the party is that another shoe is ready to drop and the longer he waits to jettison Rove the greater the damage. As long as Karl Rove remains at the President's side, the Bush presidency is effectively over and he is just riding out the days until the nation elects a Democrat to replace him. Even with Rove gone the damage may be irreparable."
Bush, however, has dug his heels in on Rove. When a GOP strategist suggested last weekend that the President fire Rove, Bush exploded.
"You go to hell," he screamed at the strategist. "You can leave and you can take the rest of these lily-livered mother****ers with you!" The President then stormed out of the room and refused to meet further with any other party leaders or strategists.
Bush's escalating temper tantrums and his intransigence on political issues increase Republican worries about the long term effects on both his presidency and the party's prospects in upcoming elections.
"Right now, George W. Bush is the Republican Party's chief liability," says a GOP strategist who has advised Presidential campaigns for 30 years. "The entire political future of the party and perhaps the nation now rests on the shoulders of a President that no one - Democrat or Republican - believes in or trusts."
2005-11-05 00:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]"We keep coming back to Rove," says a GOP pollster. "He has escaped indictment, so far, but the feeling within the party is that another shoe is ready to drop and the longer he waits to jettison Rove the greater the damage. As long as Karl Rove remains at the President's side, the Bush presidency is effectively over and he is just riding out the days until the nation elects a Democrat to replace him. Even with Rove gone the damage may be irreparable."[/QUOTE]
The GOP is so stupid and worthless. Obviously the Dems want Rove's head as a trophy since it was his political strategies that cost them so many seats in Congress. Why the GOP continues to let the Dems and their sycophants in the national media drive the debate and dictate any kind of terms is completely beyond my understanding. Rove's the only guy up there on the GOP side with any sense as to how the real game is played, if you ask me. That doesn't mean I support the guy, but he knows 'realpolitik'.
The bottom line is the Dems have nothing. They have no agenda. No real political base and every election more and more get thrown out of office. Bush and the GOP should tell 'em, "Screw you. We could care less what you're whining about." Then, with their majorities in every freaking branch of government, the GOP should just ram its agenda down their throat. If they had any stones whatsoever, the GOP could for all practical purposes put an end to the Democratic Party in four years.
2005-11-05 01:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] If they had any stones whatsoever, the GOP could for all practical purposes put an end to the Democratic Party in four years.[/QUOTE]
How?
With the decline in the white voting population, your theory isn't accurate. Only a matter of time before the GOP tips over.
-Jay
2005-11-05 01:12 | User Profile
[quote=jay]How?
With the decline in the white voting population, your theory isn't accurate. Only a matter of time before the GOP tips over.
-Jay
Even if the present rate of decline is maintained indefinitely, it's going to be a good while before whites are no longer a majority. If the GOP stops pandering to minorities and starts focusing on its natural base, it could indeed reduce the Democrats into a minor party. Then border control (and possibly deportations, etc.) could ensure that the GOP demographic remained a majority.
2005-11-05 01:17 | User Profile
Tex,
You make some good points, if the stupid party does not have the cajones to use power when they have it, they are as useless as a steer during breeding season.
Sadly, when they have exercised power, it has been to futher the aims of the Izy / NWO crowd at the expense of America.
They could for example, push through the supreme court nominee, Mr. Alito, with avalanche like speed, not at the pace of a glacier as was announced today.
Example of Speedy GOP: [url]http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-cong/2005/nov/04/110407789.html[/url]
Another issue of pressing importance: [url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/11/gop_mulls_ending_birthright_ci.php[/url]
2005-11-05 01:27 | User Profile
I think it's time to dispense with the notion that Bush has any loyalty to any political party or ideology. He is an actor. He is making certain that his Jewish cousin, John Kerry gets elected when he leaves office.
2005-11-05 01:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Sadly, when they have exercised power, it has been to futher the aims of the Izy / NWO crowd at the expense of America.
True enough, BK. But with those misguided aims there's still plenty of things that I would support like constitutional bans on gay marriage and abortion, school vouchers, tax cuts and/or credits, term limits, etc. The point I was trying to make is that whatever the issue is, the Dems are all hat and no cattle. They're like the little chihuahua yapping at your heel. Why are GOP pollsters and strategists giving them or their concerns the time of day?
Example of Speedy GOP: [url]http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-cong/2005/nov/04/110407789.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Well you know what they say, money talks and makes the world go 'round, like it or not.
2005-11-05 01:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]How?
With the decline in the white voting population, your theory isn't accurate. Only a matter of time before the GOP tips over.
-Jay[/QUOTE]
Hey Jay,
It's like Hamilton said. It's gonna be some time yet before whites are a minority and maybe what we've witnessed over the last couple of years is the last dying gasps of a diminishing peoples. I don't know. I do know that in Congress and on the state level the Dems continue to lose more and more offices and Rove's strategy with the gay marriage issue in '04 was masterful.
2005-11-05 01:50 | User Profile
Pew research reported that the # of citizens ID'ing themselves as Republicans has gone up since 2000. GWB has to take credit for that. The 02 and 04 elections went well for the GOP as well, and so again: Bush must have SOME reasonance with the people. (Or, the DNC elicits anger)
If they really do enact the citizenship, hell: even I'll go out and vote for them in 2006. Wont' happen tho. The GOP only says stuff to make conservatives feel better about voting for them, then they turn around and toss em wars and Harriet Miers. Of GWB's decline in the polls, Ann Coulter said so well, "[I]Wasn't comin' from loss of liberal support[/I]"
2005-11-05 01:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I do know that in Congress and on the state level the Dems continue to lose more and more offices and Rove's strategy with the gay marriage issue in '04 was masterful.[/QUOTE]
I know that more than a few people vote for shrub in 04 because of this issue.
If the GOP had any guts, they would portray the Scary Party as the party of homo's, minorities, tree hugger extremist, abortionist, pro illegal alien, nutjobs.
2005-11-05 02:01 | User Profile
I'll add that even in some states where whites are already the minority, like Texas, the GOP is firmly in power. Even if whites are someday the minority nationwide, that isn't Armageddon. A smarter, better educated, better organized minority can stay on top.
With enough racial awareness and organizing, even a white minority could again impose its rule upon the colored majority. It's a matter of determination.
The plain truth is that black and mestizo voter turnout is proportionately lower than white. Lots of them don't even care to vote. They're too busy partying, brawling and getting fried with drugs. A big percentage of blacks and mestizos are felons (forbidden to vote). An even bigger percentage are functionally illiterate, and could be forbidden to vote if literacy tests were reinstated.
2005-11-05 03:31 | User Profile
[quote=Texas Dissident]The GOP is so stupid and worthless. Obviously the Dems want Rove's head as a trophy since it was his political strategies that cost them so many seats in Congress. Why the GOP continues to let the Dems and their sycophants in the national media drive the debate and dictate any kind of terms is completely beyond my understanding. Rove's the only guy up there on the GOP side with any sense as to how the real game is played, if you ask me. That doesn't mean I support the guy, but he knows 'realpolitik'.
The bottom line is the Dems have nothing. They have no agenda. No real political base and every election more and more get thrown out of office. Bush and the GOP should tell 'em, "Screw you. We could care less what you're whining about." Then, with their majorities in every freaking branch of government, the GOP should just ram its agenda down their throat. If they had any stones whatsoever, the GOP could for all practical purposes put an end to the Democratic Party in four years.
I'll offer a slightly different view of the GOP's problem: the best they could come up with in 2000 was GW Bush, even though they had that-hard-to-pin-down McCain fellow available for a run at the swing voters. Not sure how he would have done, we'll never know.
The GOP picked GWB, loaded his cabinet with members of "the faithful" . . . they have no right to be mad. Self inflicted would. Ya gets what ya pays for . . .
AE
2005-11-05 04:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hamilton]I'll add that even in some states where whites are already the minority, like Texas, the GOP is firmly in power. Even if whites are someday the minority nationwide, that isn't Armageddon. A smarter, better educated, better organized minority can stay on top.
With enough racial awareness and organizing, even a white minority could again impose its rule upon the colored majority. It's a matter of determination..[/QUOTE]
True. I would also add, the birthrate amongst white liberals has fallen thru the floor. Conservative whites are replacing themselves, IMO, and that should help the GOP in the future, as whites become less of the voter populace.
2005-11-05 06:00 | User Profile
TD, [QUOTE]Then, with their majorities in every freaking branch of government, the GOP should just ram its agenda down their throat.[/QUOTE] That's what scares me. Other than the court and a few minor issues, they don't have an agenda either that is worth a damn. Too bad one of the parties couldn't take their worst ideas and exchange them for the few good ideas the other party has. If that happen, we might have one halfway decent party.
2005-11-05 12:18 | User Profile
Bull! The last thing Bush should do is get rid of Rove. Bush should start fighting fire with fire; if he doesn’t he will end up like Nixon.
2005-11-05 13:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]If the GOP had any guts, they would portray the Scary Party as the party of homo's, minorities, tree hugger extremist, abortionist, pro illegal alien, nutjobs.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. And that begs the question, if 'diversity is our strength' then why isn't the Democratic Party winning elections and holding majorities in every state legislature and Congress?
To just keeping asking that one question would be such a great opportunity for Rush, Hannity, Snow and all the GOP-mouthpiece lackeys to hammer the podium and attack the very foundations of the cultural marxism that now reigns in this former Republic. Instead we get odes to communist Rosa Parks, general acquiescence to a 'Civil Rights' socialist state and J.C. Watts expressing moral outrage over how commie black politicians are treating Maryland's lt. governor. All the while that same commie Left is laughing its butt off how the GOP Right consistently refuses to acknowledge and heed reality and continue to be a day late and dollar short in the culture war and subsequent electoral politics.
2005-11-05 15:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Bull! The last thing Bush should do is get rid of Rove. Bush should start fighting fire with fire; if he doesnââ¬â¢t he will end up like Nixon.[/QUOTE] Right now he reminds me of Clinton, with all the lying, spying, corruption and treason. I want him to keep Rove too. He, like Carville, are the poster boys of everything that is wrong with modern day politics. Bush should have Rove around his neck like a rotting, stinking fish.
2005-11-05 19:41 | User Profile
[quote=Gabrielle]Bull! The last thing Bush should do is get rid of Rove. Bush should start fighting fire with fire; if he doesn’t he will end up like Nixon.
I think that's right Gaby, the Dems are not interested in working with Bush, even when he's offered olive branches. An if he weakens (especially on Alito), they'll smell blood and go for the throat. He should scale back, firm up his base and set up for the '06 midterms.
Hopefully, Iraq and the Libby debacle will cool the adventurist neos.
Note: We could possibly rapproche with France over this Muslim unrest issue. If deVillepin (who is a man) won't, Sarkozy will.
2005-11-06 09:21 | User Profile
The GOP's best bet is if Rove gets rid of Bush. Bush is a liability. The Dems best bet is if the GOP keeps Bush.
Either way, America is getting screwed by the elite homos of the Reps and the Dems of DC.
2005-11-06 13:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Right now he reminds me of Clinton, with all the lying, spying, corruption and treason. I want him to keep Rove too. He, like Carville, are the poster boys of everything that is wrong with modern day politics. Bush should have Rove around his neck like a rotting, stinking fish.[/QUOTE]
Yep. The GOP promised us they'd do the right thing if they got in as a majority power. The first thing they did was badmouth traditional conservatives as lacking compassion. The second thing they did was give increased influence to the democrats, since it wasn't "fair" to steamroll a leftist agenda. The thrid thing was to give everyone a $300 check when the hidden cost of that check was $1800 in increased spending. The fourth thing they did was take away our right to free movement with their security that wouldn't be needed if they didn't insist on making the US a home base for the world's human refuse, as long as they work cheap. Then, we have the war of 1000 changing reasons, actually for no reason other than Cheney wanted to, that has ruined the US national credibility and killed thousands of innocents, while making making lots of money for the US military/industrial complex. Sickening.
Future plans of the GOP involve CC cameras throughout every city and town, similar to to London, a national ID including iris scans and biometric data, amnesty for all illegals(not called amnesty, of course), and a continutation of the absence of a southern border. The average screen time on the southern border is 22 seconds. At peak hours, they have been known to just wave people through. The average London citizen is on camera 300 times a day. THAT's what the GOP wants and does, as ooposed to what they say is right.
Right on, let the GOP wear that stinknig fish around their necks.
2005-11-06 13:37 | User Profile
Glad to see TD has finally owned his "I see and know nothing" approach, lol. Bashing Christians, where, where? He'd fix it if he saw it. Most cherished quote: "Who's that texan behind the curtain."
2005-11-07 06:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]TD,
Then, with their majorities in every freaking branch of government, the GOP should just ram its agenda down their throat.
That's what scares me. Other than the court and a few minor issues, they don't have an agenda either that is worth a damn. Too bad one of the parties couldn't take their worst ideas and exchange them for the few good ideas the other party has. If that happen, we might have one halfway decent party.[/QUOTE]Much of the GOP's agenda is every bit as evil, unconstitutional, and un-American as that of the Democrats. Both parties are loathsome, yet the sad situation is that each is needed in some sense to foil the more extreme plans of the other.
If the GOP gets absolute power, we'll all end up paying even more taxes to Israel; having American youths drafted into the IDF; having cameras on every street corner in the country (and probably in our bedrooms as well to make sure none of us ever fornicates); and being forced to bow down in homage every time we walk by an American flag or a picture of the president.
If the Jackasses (Democrats) get absolute power, owning any weapons will be illegal, as will self-defense; infanticide will be legal up to the age of 6 months or more; all business owners will be forced to maintain a quota of homosexuals in their workforce; everyone will be forced to worship at the altar of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; and so on.
There's some exaggeration in the above, but not much. Both parties have already pretty much killed freedom and the Founders' vision for America, and if one gets absolute power, that will be the end of any checks or balances in the American system of government.
2005-11-07 06:14 | User Profile
Angler,
In view of the mess we have today with these parties, I'd at least like to see this: [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=134566&postcount=30[/url] It might be our best bet. Like you, I too, hate these parties and wish the very worst upon them. I hope that between the crap we had to go through with Clinton and now the crap with Bush that it destroys or cripples both of them.
2005-11-07 14:37 | User Profile
Sert,
The idea you have in your post about electing a small block of conservatives to act as a "rudder" to steer legislation in a sensible direction is the best idea I've seen in ages.
It would require concerned persons to support candidates who would most likely be in a district in which they do not live. For example, yours truly lives in a district that would elect a Democrat if they ran Leon Trotsky for office. So to support a conservative in this district would be a waste of time and money. So those in my situation would support a candidate in "Goat Rope" Nevada for example, if that person was one of the constitutionalists that was worth supporting.
Sertorious Quote: [QUOTE] In view of the mess we have today with these parties, I'd at least like to see this: [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...6&postcount=30[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-11-07 14:57 | User Profile
BK,
Thanks. Yes, it would take the pooling of resources to elect people in targetted areas. I had to laugh when I read this. [QUOTE]For example, yours truly lives in a district that would elect a Democrat if they ran Leon Trotsky for office.[/QUOTE] The Fourth Congressional district where I live has already done this. My rep is Cynthia McKinney.