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2005-10-30 14:01 | User Profile
Our French friends are experiencing "the joys of diversity."
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[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6713[/url]
France: Muslims Rampage in Paris Ghetto News; Posted on: 2005-10-29 20:22:48 Scene described as "civil war" by police. French army mobilized. Mainstream media downplays horrific event.
HUNDREDS OF MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS from North or Central Africa fought with police and set cars ablaze in a Paris ghetto early yesterday morning in a second successive night of rioting.
Firefighters extinguished more than 30 burning cars and dozens of trash containers that had been pushed into makeshift barricades on Friday night and Saturday morning as running battles in the streets pitted 250-300 riot police against 400-600 "hooded youths" armed with Molotov cocktails and other missiles.
Local police called for help from the army to support its overwhelmed officers. "There's a civil war under way," Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. "My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting."
The rampage was triggered last week when Mulatto teenagers were electrocuted in a local substation while fleeing from police. French authorities report they were running away from officers investigating a break-in, however, locals blame police for the deaths.
The dead "youths" were identified as 15-year-old Banou and 17-year-old Ziad. No last names were reported. In interviews with British media, Siako Karne, said to be the brother of one of the victims, blamed the government for the riot, accusing it of having no respect for Muslims.
As is typical, Paris media released no video of the rioting as it was happening, instead, choosing to focus on the multiracial "peace rally" that was hastily organized in its wake.
2005-10-30 15:32 | User Profile
The one thing that has destroyed libertarianism more than anything else, is the idea of open borders. It ignores not only human nature, but thousands of years of accumulated experience.
2005-10-30 15:38 | User Profile
Blond Knight
As it happens I took by girlfriend to Paris last weekend in the Islamic republic of France. Paris leaves you with nothing to compare the place with. Paris is at least 60% non-white acording to my head counts and I'm not exaggerating.
My advice to you is to go their while you still can and see the future they have in store for us.
Greg
"'He is a prodigy,' he said at last. 'He is an emissary of pity, and science, and progress, and devil knows what else. We want,' he began to declaim suddenly, 'for the guidance of the cause entrusted to us by Europe, so to speak, higher intelligence, wide sympathies, a singleness of purpose.'" - Heart of Darkness : Joseph Conrad
2005-10-30 15:52 | User Profile
YertleTurtle
[I]"It is like a sleeping volcano. It could erupt again any time, but in general, these kind of riots don't last longer than 48 hours," said a police source who had been at the scene during the riots on Thursday night.
The riots came days after Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy launched a new offensive against crime this month, ordering specially trained police to tackle 25 tough neighbourhoods in cities across France.[/I]
The situation in France is bad and they are trying to cover it up.
Greg
"'He is a prodigy,' he said at last. 'He is an emissary of pity, and science, and progress, and devil knows what else. We want,' he began to declaim suddenly, 'for the guidance of the cause entrusted to us by Europe, so to speak, higher intelligence, wide sympathies, a singleness of purpose.'" - Heart of Darkness : Joseph Conrad
2005-10-30 16:10 | User Profile
When I went this May I didn't think Paris was any more or less white than any other major city. There are, however, an enormous amount of Africans. I don't know if they are all Muslims, but perhaps.
I'm thinking that the media in Paris is just like it is anywhere else, however, I'm hoping that their choice not to show the rioting is their attempt at not allowing the Muslims the media coverage that they are so desperately seeking.
2005-10-30 16:32 | User Profile
Don't the immigrants live on outskirts of Paris? I've heard tourists don't notice much of them for that reason.
It's prefereable to have concentrated ghettos of foreigners, and otherwise homogenious country. It's like an exhibit A for all to see, while most of the country is spared the onslaught. The French will rise, I hope.
2005-10-30 17:02 | User Profile
Since the end of WWll European nationalism has been suppressed and the result is obvious for all to see: foreign bodies of an enemy cultural organism invading and causing disease and eventual death. Time for Europe to reactivate its immune system and throw off the invader. The task is enormous. Probably too enormous for this decadent age. French citizens might have to give up vacation time, and the women might have to reproduce! Plus, at the top level of French society is the original European parasite, which is innately set against any expression of the European will to survive, which ultimately equates with their own survival as French citizens, but [I]nevermind[/I] that, they are set on autopilot to destruction
2005-10-30 18:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=YertleTurtle]The one thing that has destroyed libertarianism more than anything else, is the idea of open borders. It ignores not only human nature, but thousands of years of accumulated experience.[/QUOTE]YT,
When one considers the number of Jews involved in libertarianism it is no surprise.
2005-10-30 20:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Don't the immigrants live on outskirts of Paris? I've heard tourists don't notice much of them for that reason.
It's prefereable to have concentrated ghettos of foreigners, and otherwise homogenious country. It's like an exhibit A for all to see, while most of the country is spared the onslaught. The French will rise, I hope.[/QUOTE]
Yes, many of the filthy immigrants live in ghettoes surrounding Paris, like the one where this riot took place, but in the Montmarte section of Paris proper there are tons of filthy Africans. However the French do a pretty decent job of segregating their pathetic minorities from the rest of the French and tourists alike. However, even walking through the African areas of Paris, I didn't feel threatened like if I was walking through any black areas in the US where you literally fear for your life.
However, if you leave Paris to visit the beautiful regions of Normandy, Bretagne, Lot or Loire Valley, you'll see hardly any non-Whites at all and you'll never want to come home. It's almost like a small paradise. Next year we plan on visiting Aix en Provence.
As for the latest rioters, it's good that it was so prominently featured on the France TV 5 News.....that way all French can get a good hard look at what they must face to reclaim their nationhood.
Vive la France! Bas les musulmans! Degage tous les noirs!
2005-10-30 22:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]YT,
When one considers the number of Jews involved in libertarianism it is no surprise.[/QUOTE]
I've always considered Murray Rothbard a great economist. He was free-market (therefore "conservative"), and a cultural conservative, too. Where he collapsed was his belief in anarchism, which is leftist. The first two go together, but they don't go with the last thing. Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion he, in some degree, had that Jewish Messiah thing going for him, like "Ayn Rand," with whom he was involved at first, although he later repudiated her and her dangerous and destructive ideas, although many naive people cannot see through her.
Unfortunately, Lew Rockwell, for whom I wrote for years, is still under Rothbard's spell.
Personally, I tend more toward the Southern Agrarians, whom the worthless William F. Buckley pretty much read out of the "conservative" movement.
2005-10-30 23:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=YertleTurtle]The one thing that has destroyed libertarianism more than anything else, is the idea of open borders. It ignores not only human nature, but thousands of years of accumulated experience.[/QUOTE]Agreed -- although many who consider themselves libertarian are opposed to open borders.
I consider myself libertarian for the most part, particularly when it comes to issues of individual (not corporate) liberty. But I think the borders should be sealed off to immigrants.
2005-10-31 00:21 | User Profile
YT,
No argument here. I will give Rothbard credit for one thing. He really did piss Buckley off, so much that when he died there was a rather nasty obituary in National Review.
2005-10-31 01:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]YT,
No argument here. I will give Rothbard credit for one thing. He really did piss Buckley off, so much that when he died there was a rather nasty obituary in National Review.[/QUOTE]
His obit was uncalled for.
I was in a room with Buckley once. He's a scrawny little man with a chicken chest and, oddly enough, bright blue eyes that don't show on TV.
2005-10-31 01:32 | User Profile
I'll be, so, you met the old pederast with the phoney Oxford accent?
2005-10-31 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]I'll be, so, you met the old pederast with the phoney Oxford accent?[/QUOTE]
He's as phony as Jay Gatsby. His grandfather was a sheriff in Texas, and now his grandson has reinvented himself as an upper-class Boston Brahmin. He was wearing a perfectly-tailored $1000 suit, too, and this was 15 years ago.
2005-10-31 01:52 | User Profile
YT,
I wasn't aware that his grandfather was from Texas.
This reminds me of something. When did Myles Kantor run off to Frontpage?
2005-10-31 01:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]YT,
I wasn't aware that his grandfather was from Texas.
This reminds me of something. When did Myles Kantor run off to Frontpage?[/QUOTE]
I didn't know Myles had done that. I guess he gave up on LRC, since he hasn't been there for a long time. Lots of the original writers have apparently given up on it. The whole place seems to have tilted left recently.
2005-10-31 21:51 | User Profile
Thanks for the first hand reports from France. We must send our best wishes to our French friends at the National Front - Vive Le Pen!
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ABC News Sarkozy defends crime policies after Paris riots Reuters
[B]BOBIGNY, France - French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy defended his tough anti-crime policies on Monday after a fourth night of riots in a Paris suburb in which tear gas was fired into a mosque during evening prayers.[/B]
Sarkozy vowed to investigate the tear gas incident and repeated his "zero tolerance" policy toward violence that began when two teenagers were electrocuted to death after clambering into a power sub-station while apparently fleeing police.
Overnight youths hurled rocks and set fire to cars in the northeastern Clichy-sous-Bois suburb of the French capital, where many immigrants and poor families live in high-rise housing estates notorious for youth violence.
French television said six police officers were hurt and 11 people arrested in the violence.
"I want these people to be able to live in peace." Sarkozy told reporters as he mingled with local residents outside the Seine-Saint-Denis prefecture in Bobigny, which oversees Clichy-sous-Bois.
[B]"For 30 years the situation has been getting worse in a number of neighbourhoods," he said, honing his theme of the need for a break with past policies that underpins his strategy for 2007 presidential elections.
"I am perfectly aware that it is not in three days or in three months that we will make up for 30 years," he added, pledging to crack down on gangs and drug dealers.[/B]
Sarkozy, who made his name by cutting crime figures during a first stint as interior minister from 2002 to 2004, later discussed the unrest with Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, a potential rival in the 2007 race.
Opposition Socialists said the disturbances were proof Sarkozy's tough policies were failing.
"We need to act at the same time on prevention, repression, education, housing, jobs ... and not play the cowboy," former prime minister Laurent Fabius, who also has presidential ambitions, told Europe 1 radio.
FAMILY SPEAKS OUT
Siyakah Traore, whose brother died in the sub-station four days ago, called for an end to the disturbances.
"We want calm, we want justice to be done, we want the riot police to leave and to be received by Mr Villepin," he told reporters. Sarkozy had offered to meet the dead youths' parents but it was unclear if the meeting would take place, aides said.
The Clichy riots were the latest in a series of incidents in the northeastern suburbs.
In June, an 11-year-old boy was killed by a stray bullet in the northern area of La Courneuve. The eastern suburb of Vitry-sur-Seine made headlines in 2002 when a 17-year-old girl was set alight by an 18-year-old boy.
Sarkozy, who returned as interior minister in late May, launched a new crime offensive this month, ordering specially trained police to tackle 25 problem neighbourhoods.
"Sarkozy is confusing real firmness with firmness for the television cameras," Socialist spokesman Julien Dray said in comments to be published in Tuesday's Le Parisien.
[B]Sarkozy's shoot-from-the-lip style has outraged the opposition and irritated some cabinet ministers. Equal opportunities minister Azouz Begag has implicitly criticised Sarkozy's recent reference to suburban youths as "riff-raff."[/B]
The sociologist acknowledged in Tuesday's Le Parisien he had not been forceful enough when dealing with fellow ministers, but said he would work with Sarkozy to improve matters.
"I won't hide from you that the situation is very tense. It is urgent that we sent signals to our fellow citizens in the housing estates that we understand their problems," he said.
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2005-10-31 22:01 | User Profile
Le Pen's Front National warned the French about this problem decades ago. FN was prohibited from holding Senate seats in the late 80's, and now years later, the problem is only worse. When is it going to end?
2005-11-01 21:03 | User Profile
The one thing that has destroyed libertarianism more than anything else, is the idea of open borders. It ignores not only human nature, but thousands of years of accumulated experience.
It also ignores supposed libertarian principles, like property rights.
2005-11-03 01:52 | User Profile
Muhammad Diaperhead & fellow travelers are running amok in Denmark too.
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[url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/11/young_immigrants_run_amok_in_a.php[/url]
Young Immigrants Run Amok in Aarhus
Erik Thomle, Jyllands-Posten (Copenhagen), Oct. 31
Translated by the Viking Observer
Rosenhøj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in Ãâ¦rhus for years. ââ¬ÅThis area belongs to usââ¬Â, the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.
Their words sound like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.
Four youths sit on the wall in Rosenhøj Mall sunday afternoon, calling themselves spokesmen for the groups, that three nights in a row have ravaged and tried to burn down the restaurant and other stores.
Around the parking lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming, and many are walking around, greeting each others with a sense of victory after the worst riots in Ãâ¦rhus in years.
Every night 30-40 youths took part, especially immigrants.
Only two were arrested.
That was a victory.
ââ¬ÅWe knew, you would be coming. We are spokesmenââ¬Â, said a young man with a black knitted hood on his head, when JP [Jyllands-Posten] visited Rosenhøj Mall sunday. He was angry. Very angry. Behind him the pub Hot Shot has scars after the attacks with cobble stones, and the stores along the parking lot besides the small mall have their windows covered with adhesive tape in a spiderweb pattern.
Four hours after the short meeting, Falck [Danish private emergency serviceââ¬âHenrik] sent a group of fire engines under police escort to the nursery Kjærslund on Søndervangs Allé, right across the street from Rosenhøj Mall.
Gasoline through the window
A window had been shattered at the back of the house, and the fire had been blazing, apparently because of gasoline poured onto the floor, then lit.
Falck stopped on Viby Square, a couple kilometers from the site of the arson attack, waiting for the police to turn up so they could be escorted to the nursery. Two nights earlier, other Falck-employees were threatened, when they were covering up broken shop-windows.
Cobblestones had smashed the shop-windows from one end of the mall to the other. The police wrote in their report saturday night, that the youths had their stones with them in bags, when they came to Rosenhøj.
Cobblestones against bakery.
Saturday morning a 16-year-old somali boy was incarcerated, accused of aggravated assault, as he friday evening threw a cobblestone through a window in the bakery. The stone passed closely by baker Børge Svaløs face. ..
He calls himself 100 percent Palestinian, born in a refugee camp in Lebanon 19 years ago, and now out of work in Denmark.
ââ¬ÅThe police has to stay away. This is our area. We decide what goes down hereââ¬Â.
And then the bit with the drawings of the prophet Muhammed comes around:
We are tired of what we see happening with our prophet. We are tired of Jyllands-Posten. I know it isnt you, but we wont accept what Jyllands-Posten has done to the prophetââ¬Â, he says aggressively, and the others nod approvingly.
Planned for three weeks
To of them are Turks, and it is the first time, that Turks and Palestinians act together, the 19-year-old says.
ââ¬ÅWe have planned this for three weeks. That is why only two were arrested saturday nigh. The police will cordon off it all. But we know the ways outââ¬Â, he claims, and then disappears, munching on a piece of pizza from Fun Pizza.
The pizzerias windows are also held together by adhesive tape after the attacks with cobblestones.
Original article
2005-11-03 11:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]The one thing that has destroyed libertarianism more than anything else, is the idea of open borders. It ignores not only human nature, but thousands of years of accumulated experience.
It also ignores supposed libertarian principles, like property rights.[/QUOTE]
My experience has been that the vast majority or "pure" libertarians are leftist anarchist homosexuals. It's not as if their minds are right, even when it comes to something as simple as property rights.
2005-11-03 21:32 | User Profile
This has gotten totally out of control. According to ABC News --
Rampaging youths shot at police and firefighters Thursday after burning car dealerships and public buses and hurling rocks at commuter trains, as [B]eight days of riots[/B] over poor conditions in Paris-area housing projects spread to [B]20 towns[/B]. [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1277921&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312"]http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1277921&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312[/URL]
2005-11-03 21:51 | User Profile
Hopefully, the French National Front should do very well next election cycle after seeing this example of multiculturalism and non-white immigration fail so miserably and spectacularly.....and predicatbly. If the French aren't moved by this to elect people who will deport these savages, then I think hope might be lost for this fine European nation.
It's pretty sad. They should start seriously kicking the crap outta these filthy sub-humans with extreme prejudice and send them back to Allah.
2005-11-03 22:04 | User Profile
[quote=xmetalhead]Hopefully, the French National Front should do very well next election cycle after seeing this example of multiculturalism and non-white immigration fail so miserably and spectacularly.....and predicatbly. If the French aren't moved by this to elect people who will deport these savages, then I think hope might be lost for this fine European nation.
It's pretty sad. They should start seriously kicking the crap outta these filthy sub-humans with extreme prejudice and send them back to Allah. X, I pray you're right. Right now, all the politicos are wailing about how 'not enough has been done' for the 'poor and disadvantaged' and that the poor Muslims are reacting to 'discrimination.' The Minister of Social Cohesion was spouting this dreck in the article I linked.
2005-11-03 22:05 | User Profile
[quote=xmetalhead]It's pretty sad. They should start seriously kicking the crap outta these filthy sub-humans with extreme prejudice and send them back to Allah.
My bet is that this will happen, and it will probably be quite sudden and catch many by surprise.
2005-11-03 22:19 | User Profile
What the Hell was Hitler thinking when he said Germans would have been better off under Islam? May France's Christian warriors repel from their soil these filthy Musselmen. If they do not, the ruined skyscrapers of Paris will serve as tombstones of a dead nation. Christendom has already lost so much. How much more need it cede before the lesson is learned for all time?
Perhaps a new Crusade will someday conquer back what has been lost, not only Paris, but Damascus, Constantinople, and the Holy Land. That's the kind of Crusade I would gladly join, as opposed to the corrupt neocon adventure currently underway.
2005-11-04 04:55 | User Profile
Too bad we didn't hear stuff like this after Katrina in NOLA.
[URL="http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm"]http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm[/URL]
[B][B] Rioting in French suburbs 'well organized' Thu Nov 03 2005 14:56:34 ET
French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."
"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Sarkozy told French news channel i-tele.
The interior minister also said the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want" in the country.
A force of 1,000 police were assigned late Thursday to Seine-Saint-Denis, following the previous night of violence which affected about half of the 40 towns in the department, mostly communities of immigrants from Africa, officials said.
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2005-11-04 07:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hamilton]What the Hell was Hitler thinking when he said Germans would have been better off under Islam?[/QUOTE]He did not say that. He said that if Islam had conquered Germany, Islamic Germans, utilizing the inherent warlike nature of Islam, would have rapidly risen to the top and conquered the Islamic world that had conquered them.
It's like saying "well, sure, if I were like you I'd be able to use your methods and your lack of scruples to get the better of you - and I'd conquer you even faster than I would have with my own methods and my own respect for scruples, so be very glad I'm not one of you".
Hitler was being entirely hypothetical. Some people are opportunistically and dishonestly trying to make him an advocate of things he did not advocate and make him support causes he did not support. That quote in particular has been taken completely out of context. He was asked a hypothetical question by a Moslem whose support he wanted, and he answered the question hypothetically. It doesn't mean squat in any larger context.
2005-11-04 07:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=YertleTurtle]I didn't know Myles had done that. I guess he gave up on LRC, since he hasn't been there for a long time.[/QUOTE]
Actually he just published an item related to Ryan McMaken's anti-Western essay:
[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/kantor/kantor84.html[/url]
(Quite an incoherent piece, btw. I could hardly figure out what Kantor was trying to say)
Petr
2005-11-04 08:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]This has gotten totally out of control.[/QUOTE]
Goody, goody. Worse is better. They should continue and get even more brazen. Rioting has spread even to Denmark, and I hope all my fellow Finns are paying good attention.
Petr
2005-11-04 12:14 | User Profile
Blue Bonnet, thanks for the info on the "spontaneous" nature of the riots.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4405620.stm[/url]
French riots spread beyond Paris
The violence that has wracked Paris suburbs over the past week has spread to new areas and outside the capital for the first time.
French youths set alight buildings and burned more than 500 vehicles in the eighth consecutive night of rioting. Nearly 80 arrests were made in Paris. [B] Cars were torched in the eastern city of Dijon, and sporadic unrest broke out in southern and western France.[/B]
The unrest was sparked by the deaths of two teenagers of African origin.
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has pledged to restore order.
He was speaking in parliament, following criticism of the government's failure to end the violence.
Thursday night's incidents occurred in several towns to the north-east and west of the capital, including Aulnay-sous-Bois.
Most of the attacks took place in the largely immigrant area of Seine-Saint-Denis, where about 1,300 police had been deployed.
As on previous nights, gangs of youths armed with bricks and sticks roamed the streets of housing estates. The situation had calmed down at dawn.
In the reported overnight incidents:
* Shots are fired at riot police, slightly wounding five officers, police say
Outside Paris, as well as the cars set alight in Dijon, unrest flared in the Rouen area, to the west of Paris, and in the Bouches-du-Rhone region near Marseille in the south.
The unrest began after teenagers Bouna Traore, aged 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity sub-station in Clichy-sous-Bois.
Local people say they were fleeing police - a claim the authorities deny.
A criminal investigation and an internal police inquiry have been opened.
[B]By Wednesday night, violence had been reported in at least 20 towns within the Paris region, the Associated Press reported.[/B]
Mr de Villepin said restoring order was his "absolute priority".
On Thursday afternoon, he held talks with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and other ministers, as well as MPs and mayors from affected towns. [B] Mr Sarkozy, who earlier met the dead teenagers' families, said the violence was "not spontaneous" but rather "well organised".[/B]
He said the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want".
The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high levels of unemployment.
Minister for Social Cohesion Jean-Louis Borloo said the government had to react "firmly", but added that France also had to acknowledge its failure to deal with anger simmering in poor suburbs for decades.
[B]Muslim leaders have urged politicians to show respect for immigrant communities.
Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion, said people in the suburbs "must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings", not in "disgraceful squats".[/B]
PARIS RIOTS Clichy-sous-Bois: Two teenagers die in electricity sub-station on 27 October. Successive nights of rioting follow rumours they were fleeing police. A number of people arrested or injured. Aulnay-sous-Bois: A flashpoint after violence spread from Clichy. Shots fired at police and cars and shops set ablaze. Further trouble in eight nearby suburbs, with more shots fired at police. Elsewhere in Paris: Reports of incidents in towns in the suburban departments of the Val-d'Oise, Seine-et-Marne and Yvelines. Reports of petrol bombs thrown at a police station in the Hauts-de-Seine. Elsewhere in France: Cars torched in the eastern city of Dijon. Sporadic trouble reported in areas close to Rouen and Marseilles.
[QUOTE]Muslim leaders have urged politicians to show respect for immigrant communities.
Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion, said people in the suburbs "must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings", not in "disgraceful squats".[/QUOTE]
The only thing that the French owe the invading scum is the option of a boatride or air plane trip back to the third world paradise that they slithered out from. Either that or the business end of a belt fed machine gun.
2005-11-04 12:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Actually he just published an item related to Ryan McMaken's anti-Western essay:
[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/kantor/kantor84.html[/url]
(Quite an incoherent piece, btw. I could hardly figure out what Kantor was trying to say)
Petr[/QUOTE]
Having written for LRC for years, I know some of the writers are great people...others are buffoons. Kantor and McMaken aren't in the latter group, fortunately.
2005-11-04 14:49 | User Profile
[quote=Petr] Rioting has spread even to Denmark Petr
Do you have any more info on this?
2005-11-04 15:42 | User Profile
[I]Dig the headline. Imagine Arabs carrying out the order that Hitler is said to have made in his moment of wickedness.
ââ¬ÅThe banlieues are monuments to France's failure to integrate large parts of its Muslim population, despite many of them being from families that have lived in France for two or three generations.ââ¬Â
Thank TIME and CNN (front web page today) for the non answer to the question the story pretends to answer. More relevant: ââ¬ÅCivil War IIââ¬Â preconditions developing precisely as outlined. [/I]
[SIZE="5"]Why Paris Is Burning[/SIZE]
[URL="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1125401,00.html"]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1125401,00.html[/URL] Failure to integrate immigrants has brewed a potent cocktail of rage
By JAMES GRAFF/PARIS
Officially, the French state doesn't recognize minorities, only citizens of France, all of them equal under the law. But that republican ideal has seemed especially hollow over the past week as the children of impoverished, largely Muslim immigrants from the Maghreb and sub-Saharan Africa fought running battles with police throughout the banlieues, or suburbs, to the east and north of the French capital. On Sunday night, tear gas from a police canister filled the air in a Muslim prayer hall, sending worshipers out into the street gasping for airââ¬âand enraged at an act of desecration for which the police denied responsibility. By Wednesday, after five nights of violence, more than three dozen arrests had been made as the rioting spread from community to communityââ¬âone official even warned that it threatened to become an "insurrection." And France's political class was embroiled in a fierce debate over how best to put a lid on their boiling banlieues.
Anger and resentment have been long brewing in the belt of immigrant misery that surrounds Paris, where jobs are rare and poverty rampant. It exploded last Thursday night when two teenagers in the northeastern banlieue of Clichy-sous-Bois were electrocuted after they climbed into a electric relay station and touched a high-voltage transformer. The youthsââ¬âone Malian, the other Tunisianââ¬âhad apparently thought they were being chased by police after fleeing a police identity check. Though a preliminary investigation has found that they weren't being pursued, their senseless deaths were quickly blamed on the police. After two nights of violence, hundreds marched through Clichy-sous-Bois on Saturday morning, many of them wearing white t-shirts with the slogan "Mort Pour Rien"ââ¬âdead for no reason.
More Violence Feared
The rapid spread of the violence showed that it was about more than the death of the two teenagers. Unemployment in many of these communities runs at 30 to 40 percent, even higher among young people. The banlieues are monuments to France's failure to integrate large parts of its Muslim population, despite many of them being from families that have lived in France for two or three generations.
France's tough-talking Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, blamed the trouble on "riffraff" and years of neglect of the problem by Socialist governments. For many, though, he was throwing salt into an open wound. The families of the electrocuted youths refused Sarkozy's offer to meet with them, and his hard-nosed approach drew criticism even from within his government. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, a probable rival to Sarkozy in the race to represent France's conservatives in the 2007 presidential election, arranged a meeting with the families, and calls for calm were resonating from all sides of the political spectrum. On Wednesday night the fires were burning again in the banlieues, consuming three dozen cars, two buses, two primary schools and an auto showroom. Government ministers were meeting in crisis session on Thursday, increasingly wary of the prospect that the violence, which until now has spread by what one official called "mimickry," could take on a more organized form. Says a French interior ministry official: "If these things continue and spread to places like Lyon, Toulouse and Strasbourg, we'll have a state of insurrection." If that happens, the real debate about how to integrate France's poor people will be postponed again. And the fire next time could be even worse.
2005-11-04 16:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The banlieues are monuments to France's failure to integrate large parts of its Muslim population, despite many of them being from families that have lived in France for two or three generations.[/QUOTE] What a crock. They are monuments to the failure of the stupid belief in our stregth lies in our diversity. The only fools who believe this nonsense are those who encounters with diversity consists of dining in an ethic restuarant.
2005-11-04 16:29 | User Profile
It's not the failure of the French to assimilate those. And this rioting shouldn't be a problem of the French, but of the rioters who should face consequences. And not only they alone, but their whole community.
The rioters know that in the modern Western society rioting scum is somehow translated into the failure of the authorities and that usually more handouts and appeasing follow. I say yes, it's a failure of the authorities, but of other kind: letting this scum in.
Why do we have all this wonderful technology and all those armies, when the enemies are at home and never see the might of those? Zhidovka Albright? You too should be receipient of this might, alone with your distant cousins in Paris.
2005-11-04 16:54 | User Profile
"Immigration, Explosion of the Suburbs.... Le Pen has said it!"
[IMG]http://www.frontnational.com/tractsaffiches/lepenlavaitdit.gif[/IMG]
Something tells me Le Pen's National Front is going to be very, very busy soon.
2005-11-04 22:25 | User Profile
As these "youths" burn down their neighborhoods and complain that they don't have better housing I can't help but see the parralels with the Watt's riots.
Hopefully the French will learn from our mistakes and not rebuild these areas for them.:bash:
[URL="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/04/D8DLRF301.html"]http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/04/D8DLRF301.html[/URL] A woman on crutches was doused in flammable liquid and set on fire earlier this week as she tried to get off a bus in a Paris suburb, a judicial official said Friday. She suffered severe burns.
2005-11-05 00:13 | User Profile
Islam is the religion of peace...:osama: = :dung:
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Woman Attacked as Riots Continue in Paris
[url]http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=qw113110704929F652[/url]
Parisââ¬âGangs of youths torched more than 500 cars overnight in the worst of eight straight nights of street violence in the Paris region, and police arrested 78 people, officials said on Friday.
In one of the most serious incidents since the clashes began, a handicapped woman on board a bus was doused with petrol and set on fire late on Wednesday, suffering severe burns, prosecutors said.
Read the rest @ [url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/11/new_waves_of_arson_attacks_hit.php[/url]
2005-11-05 00:55 | User Profile
I heard that consideration is being given to bring in the army. If they do they should kill two birds with one stone and round up the rabble, place them in camps and deport them.
Napoleon knew how to deal with these folks-- with a whiff of grapeshot.
2005-11-05 03:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]"Immigration, Explosion of the Suburbs.... Le Pen has said it!"
[IMG]http://www.frontnational.com/tractsaffiches/lepenlavaitdit.gif[/IMG]
Something tells me Le Pen's National Front is going to be very, very busy soon.[/QUOTE]
Here's hoping some French wake up.
2005-11-05 06:08 | User Profile
Some interesting commentary @ the BBC website, kind of surprised that an establishment media would allow it.
[url]http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=144&edition=1&ttl=20051102114242[/url]
2005-11-05 06:34 | User Profile
This article has some amazing insight into the mindset that causes problems like the French riots.
[url]http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-1-4&fp=436cf3ff45a9468b&ei=501sQ-uCGq-E6QHo6PXrAg&url=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/40144a10-4bde-11da-997b-0000779e2340.html&cid=1102038102[/url]
Main page content: Government split over Paris riots crisis By Martin Arnold in Paris Published: November 4 2005 20:17 | Last updated: November 4 2005 20:17
French police on Wednesday were gearing up for a seventh night of rioting in poor Paris suburbs, while President Jacques Chirac tried to repair a split in his government over the crisis.
The violence, which has spread to several run-down areas of the capitalââ¬â¢s outskirts, has also sparked bickering within the government and further exposed the rivalry between Dominique de Villepin, prime minister, and Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister directly handling the riots and Mr de Villepinââ¬â¢s likely rival in the 2007 presidential elections.
The rioting broke out last week after two black teenagers, thinking they were being chased by police, were electrocuted as they hid in an electricity substation. A third teenager of Turkish origin was badly injured in the incident.
Mr Sarkozy has taken a hard line against the rioters and sided with police.
However, his ââ¬Åzero toleranceââ¬Â approach has fuelled more anger among the rioters, attracting heavy criticism from opposition Socialist politicians and members of his own government.
[B]Azouz Begag, minister for the promotion of equal opportunities, has attacked Mr Sarkozy for making inflammatory comments about the inhabitants of the suburbs, which he blames for encouraging the spread of violence to other areas.[/B]
[B]Mr Sarkozy has promised to clean up the suburbs ââ¬Åby Karcherââ¬Â, a reference to a brand of vacuum cleaner.
He has also referred to troublemakers in the Paris suburbs as ââ¬Åriffraffââ¬Â and ââ¬Åscumââ¬Â.[/B]
[B]ââ¬ÅWe must not tell the youngsters that they are thugs, we must not say to youngsters that we are going to crack down on them and send in the police,ââ¬Â said Mr Begag, himself a former immigrant from a run-down area and now a close ally of Mr de Villepin.[/B]
[I] My Comments: "O boo hoo hoo, you big meanies are saying nasty things about us poor downtrodden victims of evil whities racism." - Time for Mr. Begag, an immigrant, to become an emmigrant from France.
"Now boarding, first class accomidations in the cargo hold of the SS Garbage Scow, step right up and get your choice of hammocks. For dinner tonite we have a delicious rice and rat curry cooking in a big iron pot in the engine room for your dining pleasure."[/I]
Mr de Villepin, who postponed a planned visit to Canada last night to deal with the crisis, promised a ââ¬Åthorough investigationââ¬Â of the deaths of the two teenagers after meeting their parents yesterday alongside Mr Sarkozy.
Mr Sarkozyââ¬â¢s supporters suspect Mr de Villepin condoned the attack on him by Mr Begag in an attempt to add to the impression that the interior minister did not have control of the situation in the suburbs and was only making it worse by taking a hard line.
Mr Chirac yesterday called for his government to present proposals to ââ¬Åaccelerate and reinforceââ¬Â the effectiveness of measures to improve equal opportunities in France.
More than 180 cars were set on fire on Tuesday night in the Ile-de-France region round Paris and its suburbs. The area to the east of the capital has suffered six nights of violent clashes between the police and angry gangs of poorer immigrants.
The violent protests, including the burning of cars and rubbish bins as well as the stoning of police, have spread from Clichy-sous-Bois, a high-rise neighbourhood largely occupied by African immigrants, to surrounding poor suburbs.
ââ¬ÅTempers must calm down. The law must be applied in a spirit of dialogue and respect.
ââ¬ÅA lack of dialogue and an escalation of disrespectful behaviour would lead to a dangerous situation,ââ¬Â Mr Chirac said at yesterdayââ¬â¢s cabinet meeting.
2005-11-05 13:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Here's hoping some French wake up.[/QUOTE]
Hugh, The destruction in the suburbs of Paris is the most valuable PR campaign ever presented to the French Front National and other nationalists around the world alike. The property destroyed can always be replaced but the spectacular failure of non-White immigration has never had a better spectacle and is a priceless example, especially at this time in history. Let it be a reminder to Americans that we also live on a tinderbox here, and unlike the French, the majority of our non-Whites live side by side with White people. If and when the spark is lit here, us White Americans may be directly forced to defend ourselves and make the situation in France seem like kid's play.
I think the French are ready for a new revolution. They have kept most of the non-White filth out of mainstream society, so it's quite possible that the non-Whites are now openly destroying themselves and giving a damn good reason why the French should end immigration and deport every illegal or unemployed legal immigrant in the country. Let's hope they seize the opportunity.
It's too beautiful a country to have these disgusting vermin ruin France's 2000year history.
2005-11-05 14:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Napoleon knew how to deal with these folks-- with a whiff of grapeshot.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree with you more on that, although I would give them an entire snuffbox full.
2005-11-05 15:20 | User Profile
All of you posting on this thread need to chill out. The Capitalists of the Wall Street Journal have weighed in on this issue and know exactly what needs to be done. This hard hitting editorial, probably written by James Taranto lays it all out. [Scanned from today's issue.]
Les Miserables
Every night for more than a week, the suburbs of Paris have been a showcase of Europe's failure to integrate its immigrants. Most of the rioting youths were born in France to African parents and speak French. Yet thesesecond- and third-generation immigrants feel little attach- ment to France, much less a bright future there, and herein lies the problem.
Home to Europe's largest Muslim commu-nity-nearly one-tenth of its 60 million people-France is the main testing ground of the Continent's ability to bring this rapidly growing minority into the fold. Germany, the Netherlands, Britain and Spain are struggling with similar challenges. Not coincidentally, all these countries have experienced or exported Islamic terrorism in the past four years.
French governments historically preferred to ignore the problem festering out in the banlieues of the country's large cities. The initial response to the current rioting, sparked a week ago Thursday by the death of two local teens, betrayed little sense of urgency. As with most public issues in France today, the troubles became the latest excuse to posture with the 2007 presidential elections in mind.
Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister who harbors dreams of moving into the Elysee Palace, called the rioters "scum" and "thugs." His chief rival ,and boss, Prime Minister Domin-ique de Villepin, stayed quiet for the first five days of the crisis, along with President Jacques Chirac, also a Sarkozy foe. That left the Interior Minister exposed to political attacks for his un-P.C. talk, and alone to shoulder blame for the escalating violence.
This petty politicking might have continued were the real fighting northeast of Paris not growing worse by the day. The trouble started when two adolescents from Clichy-sous-Bois were electrocuted to death while hiding from the police in a power substation. (The police deny chasing them.) By Tuesday night, the clashes had spread to more than two dozen towns near Paris. Police and firefighters have been fired at. By yesterday morning cars were burned as far away as Marseille.
With the situation threatening to get out of control, Mr. de Villepin at last got off his hands. Vowing to restore order, he dispatched heavy reinforcements to previously "no go" areas overrun by drug dealers, gangs and Islamic extremists. Most French voters share Mr. Sarkozy's brutally honest diagnosis of the lawenforcement problem there, not least-as in America's once blighted inner cities-the silent, non-violent majority who live in the tough Paris suburbs and whose cars and shops are going up in flames. In sheer numbers, France is Western Europe's most policed country. Yet all the years of malign neglect out in the Arab-dominated projects will be hard to undo overnight. France is bracing for worse.
However badly needed, policing alone won't solve Europe's integration problem, and here Mr. Sarkozy stands out for another reason: He has dared to propose solutions for the long haul. In particular, he leads efforts to bring alive a "French Islam," in contrast to an Islam that today is separate from and adversarial to France. A new Muslim council was founded two years ago to give the community a political voice-or, more cynically, co-opt it. The French state is pushing Muslim leaders to train clerics locally rather than rely on foreign imams with limited language skills and often open contempt for France and its ways.
Discrimination is a problem. No French Muslim or black African has risen on the country's political or business ladder. Mr. Sarkozy's support for "positive discrimination"-affirmative action to American ears-has at least forced a national debate on expanding opportunities for France's Arab and African minorities. In another unusual move-partly intended, no doubt, to gain votes-Mr. Sarkozy recently proposed extending the franchise to immigrants who have lived in France for more than a decade. The country's old assimilation model, which turned generations of Armenians and Poles into "Frenchmen" while forcing them to shed their native culture, doesn't work as well with Muslims.
Alas, the obvious, probably easiest, solution is taboo. Absent a major overhaul, Europe's welfare state continues to make it difficult for low-skill, low-wage laborers to find work. In a system like France's that protects the people already in jobs and keeps unemployment stuck at 10% (nearly triple that for the young), it's little wonder that the banlieues are burning. No better way exists to make someone feel part of a society than to give him a job in it.
The U.S. experience shows that all immigrants, regardless of race or creed, ultimately respond to the same incentives to embrace their new home. The Muslims of Europe are unlikely to be different.
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One really has to wonder what planet these idiots live on. The last paragraph is absolutely breathtaking in its ignorance of history and what people who aren't plutocrats who live in gated communities with loads of private security have to put up with. Despite overwhelming evidence that huge numbers of third worlder are not only unassimilatable, but a security risk as well, the Journal still presists in trying to build a modern day Tower of Babal with the idea that they will be on top of it.
The country's old assimilation model, which turned generations of Armenians and Poles into "Frenchmen" while forcing them to shed their native culture, doesn't work as well with Muslims.
It hasn't dawned on these people that the reason this worked is because these folks are White and come from a common culture. This editorial shows what Sam Francis called "economic men" in their full and flowering ignorance.
2005-11-05 16:26 | User Profile
[quote=Sertorius] Despite overwhelming evidence that hugh numbers of third worlder are not only unassimlatable, but a security risk as well, the [I]Journal[/I] still presists in trying to build a modern day Tower of Babal with the idea that they will be on top of it.
It hasn't dawned on these people that the reason this worked is because these folks are White and come from a common culture. This editorial shows what Sam Francis called "economic men" in their full and flowering ignorance.
When one worships money, and treats people as less than people (the concept of human resources equates a person to a material object for production, which reminds me of chattel, and slavery) one can easily make the mistake of ignoring people as they are and pretending that each is a replaceable part of the great machine, a cog in the wheel. To mitigate that requires a human interaction, empathy, and a sense of common interests.
It is no surprise that the CEO, CFO, and shareholder centric perspective of the WSJ easily falls into the "all people/all immigrants" are equivalent trap. WSJ is a Capitalist's paper, at heart, and a manager's paper, and managers look at human resources, not people. Leaders deal with people.
Captialism has its downsides and upsides. It requires the human touch, aka leadership and ethics based on sound moral principles, to mitigates Capitalism's predatory features, aka management by margin deriving from economies of scale. Since we are all sinners . . . and can fall prey to temptation . . . where does self regulation come from? A strong moral upbringing. I'd suggest Christian as an excellent model . . . segue to Walter offering up Distributism and the Mondragone examples of alternatives to the System as it exists now. :cowboy:
AE
2005-11-05 16:40 | User Profile
AE,
Yes, that is the case. What is funny is the echo chamber these folks live in. The French have as bad and as irresponsible government as we do when it comes to immigration. Hell, their "leaders" mouth the same nonsense as ours do. They are interchangable with our and we wouldn't know the difference. I attribute this to the noxious belief in being a "citizen of the world". de Villepin is a superbly educated man who allegedly is an admirer of Napoleon. Yet, from his quietness on this issue makes me think he admires the Directory more with its ideas of exporting the French Revolution. Then again, a comparison with the Bourbons works too.
2005-11-05 17:00 | User Profile
The underlying problem is the same one the Soviet Commies stumbled upon: the axiomatic belief that people are utterly mallable and can be subistituted with others. Hence the belief that once you give a passport to a muslim in France, he instantly becomes a Frenchman, or that once properly motivated, an immigrant miraculously becomes a Frenchman, and that a country with a sizeable population of such "Frenchmen" is going to stay just as it was... French.
The Soviet Commies believed in that intelligence and greed and self-interest can be bred out. The Western Commies now believe that people's blood and culture and national genes don't exist. The funny part is that the Soviets actually had this word, national gene fund, and that the only way for national cultures to flourish was by maintaining them.
2005-11-05 17:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Some interesting commentary @ the BBC website, kind of surprised that an establishment media would allow it.
[url]http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=144&edition=1&ttl=20051102114242[/url][/QUOTE]
It's interesting indeed, in that a split in opinions is clearly observable: whites write overwhelmingly pro-white opinions, while pro-rioters are muslims/hispanics/jews. Governements in white countries act in the interests of enemies of the whites.
2005-11-05 17:24 | User Profile
MR, [QUOTE]The underlying problem is the same one the Soviet Commies stumbled upon: the axiomatic belief that people are utterly mallable and can be subistituted with others.[/QUOTE] Isn't it interesting that that is the same opinion held by the worthies who write for the Wall Sreet Journal? They call it the "propositional man". There really isn't any difference between the Judeo-plutocratic view and the Bolshevik view on this matter.
2005-11-05 17:54 | User Profile
ûëTBoggûë
Faithful husband, soccer dad, basset owner, and former cowboy [B][and dumbass- S.][/B]
Friday, November 04, 2005 How do you say Kristallnacht in french?
This guy gives Michele Malkin lady wood:
You see, France has this huge population of Muslims growing like a viper in its bosom, and not enough intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. The French government has long ignored (even fostered) the growth of this population, and its international face has, especially since the onset of the war on Terror and the War for Iraqi Liberation, appeared for all the world to smile on the Muslim world (except for that nasty business about wearing headscarves, but that's all smoothed over now.)
Unlike in America, where suburbs are upscale places where people move to get away from dirty, dangerous, crime-ridden cities, in many parts of the world (France included), it is the cities that contain the smart set, while the poor, the drug-addicted, the unemployed--and especially the immigrants--struggle through life. (Of course, what the two nations have in common is that the troubles are in the government housing projects; we've just built them in different places.)
These guys don't even pretend anymore.
posted by tbogg at 7:02 AM Comments: [url]http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-do-you-say-kristallnacht-in-french.html[/url] ================== These guys who commented on this are just as ignorant as the Neocons.
2005-11-05 18:09 | User Profile
It's time to give shoot-to-kill orders. Two birds with one stone.
2005-11-05 18:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]The underlying problem is the same one the Soviet Commies stumbled upon: the axiomatic belief that people are utterly mallable and can be subistituted with others. Hence the belief that once you give a passport to a muslim in France, he instantly becomes a Frenchman, or that once properly motivated, an immigrant miraculously becomes a Frenchman, and that a country with a sizeable population of such "Frenchmen" is going to stay just as it was... French.
The Soviet Commies believed in that intelligence and greed and self-interest can be bred out. The Western Commies now believe that people's blood and culture and national genes don't exist.[/QUOTE]
Good post, mr. Most of today's GOP 'conservatives' that want to export democracy all over the world and have open borders for people and trade here at home can't or won't understand the point you make.
2005-11-05 18:30 | User Profile
[quote=Texas Dissident]Good post, mr. Most of today's GOP 'conservatives' that want to export democracy all over the world and have open borders for people and trade here at home can't or won't understand the point you make.
I just posted about the Byrd Amendment to stop increases in immigration. Rejected by almost all GOP Senators. The few Senators who voted for it were mostly Democrats.
It's like each party is in a race to be the most obedient running dog for big corporations. In this race, the GOP is a little ahead at this point. At least a couple handfuls of Democratic Senators are openly for cutting back immigration. The GOP Senators for same are about as rare as hen's teeth.
For the most part, the current elite is terminally disconnected from the people. So only a deeply populist, grassroots movement is going to put an end to the Immivasion.
2005-11-05 23:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gregz]As it happens I took by girlfriend to Paris last weekend in the Islamic republic of France. Paris leaves you with nothing to compare the place with. Paris is at least 60% non-white acording to my head counts and I'm not exaggerating.
I'm sorry but I think you are really exaggerating. Around 25% would be a fairer estimate in my opinion, though it varies from one place to another. From 90% to very little. In Paris intra-muros, they usually don't live where they wander (except Orientals), most of the time aimlessly.
But it doesn't change the fact that it's a catastrophe.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Vive la France! A bas les musulmans! Dégagez tous les noirs! [/QUOTE] I feel honored that you are getting serious on French. Both the soft and hard versions of the n-word (Negroes - Niggers) is "les nègres" (Un(le) nègre, une (la) négresse). For Arabs, it's "les (un) bougnoules" or "les (un) crouilles". But note that most French are just as brainwashed as many liberal Americans and may be shocked. "Arabs" (Arabes) and "Africans" (Africains) are safe names that you can use everywhere. "Subsaharians" (les (un) Subsahariens) is slightly disdainful (I use it all the time). Maghrebians (Maghrébins) and "un Black" (English in the text) are politically correct.
2005-11-05 23:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Some interesting commentary @ the BBC website, kind of surprised that an establishment media would allow it.
[url]http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=144&edition=1&ttl=20051102114242[/url][/QUOTE] Extremely PC. I tried to post a comment with a mention for the Bell Curve, and it did not pass.
2005-11-06 00:57 | User Profile
A country in flamesââ¬Â¦ French cities teeter on the edge of anarchy
By Kim Willsher in Clichy-sous-Bois, Paris
Gangs of youths were once again on the rampage across France last night as the guerilla warfare, which has engulfed a string of Paris suburbs for more than a week, took hold in cities throughout the country.
Rioters played cat-and-mouse with the police, swooping to set fire to buses, public buildings, shops, factories and in one case a crèche before disappearing, leaving a trail of destruction.
Yesterday, after a ninth consecutive night in which rioters boasted they had made parts of France "like Baghdad", more than 750 cars had been set ablaze, the highest tally on a single night so far.
Police arrested 203 people including a 10-year-old boy, who was caught clutching a bottle of petrol.
Over the past 10 days riots, arson attacks and violent clashes have spread from the notorious banlieues of Paris - the grim housing estates that are home to many of the country's large North African immigrant community - to the rest of the country.
Yesterday officials reported incidents erupting from Rennes in the west, to Toulouse in the south and Strasbourg in the east.
Despite a string of emergency meetings and the drafting of 1,500 members of the CRS riot squads into the Paris suburbs, police and politicians have failed to control the worst violence the city has experienced since the riots of May 1968.
In the early hours of yesterday, gangs of youths threw blazing rubbish bins across the streets and set fire to cars, many of which belonged to their own neighbours.
The acrid smell of burning rubber and refuse filled the air and plumes of flames shot skywards, their orange glow illuminating the grim high-rise blocks, which have become France's 21st century ghettos.
Elsewhere in France, fire officers were pelted with metal petanque balls, car batteries and even cooking pots.
The commander of Paris's 14th Fire Brigade, Captain Sébastian Lamoureux, said his force had adopted tactics learnt from its counterpart in Northern Ireland and launched their rarely used "Urban Trouble" plan.
Fire engines had been ordered not to leave their station without a support vehicle and a police escort, he said.
"We don't get involved unless there's a danger of the fire spreading. Otherwise we leave the vehicle or the rubbish bin to burn itself out."
The renewed violence erupted hours after Dominique de Villepin, the French prime minister, repeated calls for calm and summoned young representatives from the Paris suburbs to his office for talks.
"I think he appreciated meeting us and learnt something. It was a good initiative for him to take," said Anyss Arbib, one of the representatives.
"There needs to be better relations and communications between the police and the people in the banlieues."
The first violence was triggered after a routine police patrol in the district of Chêne-Pointu in Clichy-sous-Bois, north-east Paris. The districts of Clichy are typical of the outer-Paris sink estates, which are home to many second and third generation immigrant families. The French Fifth Republic expects them to bury their own customs in the name of integration and consequently they have discovered there is more liberté, egalité and fraternité for some than others.
Across France some 751 neighbourhoods, housing around five million people, are classified as severely disadvantaged. In Clichy, less than 10 miles from the chic Champs Elysées, half the 28,000 population is under 25 and unemployment is more than double the national average of 10 per cent.
The incident which triggered France's most violent convulsion for almost 40 years began on the evening of October 27, as police officers approached a group of youths, most of North African descent, returning from a football match. Some of them panicked and ran.
"We all do it. You don't hang around and wait to be pushed around or arrested for nothing," said one Clichy teenager.
Terrified that the police were chasing them, which the officers have denied, three fled towards an electricity sub-station. Ignoring the danger signs, they scrambled over 10ft walls topped with three rows of barbed wire. Minutes later two of them, aged 15 and 17, were electrocuted and died. Miraculously the third survived, but was seriously burnt. As word of the tragedy spread, the anger and frustration never far below the surface of the banlieues erupted. Angry youngsters have pledged to keep fighting so their friends did not "die for nothing".
Many of them also blame the tough-talking interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, for making matters worse. He has described the rioters as "scum" and threatened to "hose down" the estates to get rid of them.
"He's disrespected us, which is a declaration of war," one young man told the Sunday Telegraph as he surveyed one of Clichy's housing estates that was dotted with piles of ash and broken glass. "Those guys, our friends, died for nothing and we're being dissed. Someone has to say sorry."
Since then politicians, social commentators and journalists have been picking over France's failure to integrate its burgeoning immigrant population.
"The Republic is not keeping its promise of liberty, equality and fraternity," thundered the respected sociologist, Michel Wieviorka, in the Libération newspaper. "Cultural identities are not sufficiently recognised and there is no longer any mediation between the inhabitants of these areas and the politicians. It's a total crisis."
Yet while the violence has dominated French media all week, most citizens are otherwise unaffected by the tumult - an indication of just how detached from mainstream French life those living on the troubled housing estates have become.
This weekend, even residents sympathetic to the rioters called for a halt to violence. One 30-year-old Moroccan, whose car had been torched by local youths, said: "Obviously I'm angry with the youths who are burning the cars of people living in their own area."
Yet many agree that Mr Sarkozy is partly to blame. The interior minister was unrepentant, however. "This minority of hooligans and assassins must not be confused with the immense majority of youngsters in the banlieues," he said. "I refuse to let these organised gangs make the law. The Republican state will not give in."
2005-11-06 01:01 | User Profile
Howling Privateer
"Police had arrested 258 people on Friday night."
Their are far more foreigners in Europe now than the official figures 'estimate'.
Five million Muslims (estimate) 35% Algerian origin (estimate) 25% Moroccan origin (estimate) 10% Tunisian origin (estimate)
Paris is full of Africans, Arabs, North Africans and Asians and France has an even greater problem that the UK and that is saying something. :yucky:
Gregz
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle
2005-11-06 01:07 | User Profile
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2005-11-06 01:17 | User Profile
French Police Arrest 250 As Arson Grows
ACHERES, France, Nov. 5, 2005
(AP) Youths armed with gasoline bombs fanned out from Paris' poor, troubled suburbs to shatter the tranquility of resort cities on the Mediterranean, torching scores of vehicles, nursery schools and other targets during a 10th straight night of arson attacks.
Police deployed a helicopter and tactical teams to chase down youths speeding from one attack to another in cars and on motorbikes. Some 2,300 police were brought into the Paris region to bolster security, France-Info said. More than 250 people were arrested.
The violence _ originally concentrated in neighborhoods northeast of Paris with large immigrant populations _ is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with unemployment, poor housing, racial discrimination, crime and a lack of opportunity.
The unrest, triggered by fury over the deaths of two teenagers, has taken on unprecedented scope and intensity. The violence reached far-flung corners of France on Saturday, from Rouen in Normandy to Bordeaux in the southwest to Strasbourg near the German border, but the Paris region has borne the brunt.
In quiet Acheres, on the edge of the St. Germain forest west of Paris, arsonists burned a nursery school, where part of the roof caved in, and about a dozen cars in four attacks that the mayor said seemed "perfectly organized."
[B]Children's photos clung to the blackened walls, and melted plastic toys littered the floor. Residents gathered at the school gate demanded that the army be deployed or suggested that citizens band together to protect their neighborhoods. Mayor Alain Outreman tried to cool tempers.[/B]
[B][U]"We are not going to start militias," he said. "You would have to be everywhere."[/U][/B]
Arson attacks were reported in the Paris region and outlying cities, many known for their calm. Cars were torched in the cultural bastion of Avignon in southern France and the resort cities of Nice and Cannes, a police officer said.
Arson was reported in Nantes in the southwest, the Lille region in the north and Saint-Dizier in the Ardennes region east of Paris. In the eastern city of Strasbourg, 18 cars were set alight in full daylight, police said.
[I]In one attack, youths in the eastern Paris suburb of Meaux prevented paramedics from evacuating a sick person from a housing project. They pelted rescuers with rocks and then torched the waiting ambulance, an Interior Ministry official said.[/I]
By daybreak Saturday,[B] 897[/B] vehicles were destroyed _ a sharp rise from the 500 burned a night earlier, police said. It was the worst one-day toll since the unrest erupted Oct. 27 following the accidental electrocution of the two teenagers who hid in a power substation, apparently believing police were chasing them.
The anger spread to the Internet, with blogs mourning the youths.
Along with messages of condolence and appeals for calm were insults targeting police, threats of more violence and warnings that the unrest will feed support for France's anti-immigration extreme right.
"Civil war is declared. There will no doubt be deaths. Unfortunately, we have to prepare," said a posting signed "Rania."
"We are going to destroy everything. Rest in peace, guys," wrote "Saint Denis."
Police detained 258 people overnight, almost all in the Paris region, and dozens of them will be prosecuted, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said after a government crisis meeting. He warned of possibly heavy sentences for burning cars.
"Violence penalizes those who live in the toughest conditions," he said.
Most rioting has been in towns with low-income housing projects where unemployment and distrust of police run high. But in a new development, arsonists were moving beyond their heavily policed neighborhoods to attack others with less security, said a national police spokesman, Patrick Hamon.
"They are very mobile, in cars or scooters. ... It is quite hard to combat" he said. "Most are young, very young, we have even seen young minors."
There appeared to be no coordination between separate groups in different areas, Hamon said. But within gangs, he added, youths are communicating by cell phones or e-mails. "They organize themselves, arrange meetings, some prepare the Molotov cocktails."
In Torcy, close to Disneyland Paris, a youth center and a police station were set ablaze. In Suresnes, on the Seine River west of the capital, 44 cars were burned in a parking lot.
"We thought Suresnes was calm," said Naima Mouis, a hospital employee whose car was torched into a twisted hulk of metal.
On Saturday morning, more than 1,000 people took part in a silent march in one of the worst-hit suburbs, Aulnay-sous-Bois. Local officials wore sashes in the red-white-and-blue of the French flag as they filed past housing projects and the wrecks of burned cars. One white banner read "No to violence."
Anger was fanned days ago when a tear gas bomb exploded in a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois, north of Paris _ the same suburb where the youths were electrocuted.
Sarkozy also has inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as "scum."
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin denied that police were to blame. The director of the Great Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, who met Saturday with Villepin, urged the government to choose its words carefully and send a message of peace.
"In such difficult circumstances, every word counts," Boubakeur said.
2005-11-06 01:27 | User Profile
"We are not going to start militias," he said. "You would have to be everywhere." - Mayor Alain Outreman
Gregz
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle
2005-11-06 01:33 | User Profile
'We're not germs or louts. Sarkozy should've said sorry'
Alex Duval Smith in Aulnay-sous-Bois
The Observer
Night falls and the violence can begin. The blue light of a passing police van flashes across the sweat on 17-year-old HB's forehead. 'They're provoking us by driving around like that. We are not going to stop until Sarkozy resigns,' he says.
For five nights in a row, HB and his mates have been battling with riot police on the notorious Mille-Mille housing estate, buried deep in the high-rise suburbs that line the motorway to Charles de Gaulle airport. They have burnt cars, businesses and a school but, really, they want the head of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.
[B]'He should go and **** himself,' says HB, who was born in France of Algerian parents. 'We are not germs. He said he wants to clean us up. He called us louts. He provoked us on television. He should have said sorry for showing us disrespect, but now it is too late.'[/B]
HB's views are clear. 'The only way to get the police here is to set fire to something. The fire brigade does not come here without the police, and the police are Sarkozy's men so they are the ones we want to see.'
All the dustbins were burnt long ago. 'Cars make good barricades and they burn nicely, and the cameras like them. How else are we going to get our message across to Sarkozy? It is not as if people like us can just turn up at his office.'
HB, who is at college training to be a chef, claims he likes his estate and the unity he feels between people with Caribbean parents, black Africans, a few people of standard French descent and first, second and third-generation Moroccans and Algerians [B]who have made up the majority of Aulnay-sous-Bois's population for the past 30 years.[/B]
The eldest of five, his father came to France at the age of seven and has been employed ever since by the municipality. HB feels a 'tremendous togetherness' at Mille-Mille, but he does not feel 'French'.
Jobs? 'There are a few at the airport and at the Citroën plant, but it's not even worth trying if your name is Mohamed or Abdelaoui.'
A cannabis joint is passed around and HB admits the parallel economy reigns in 'Neuf-Trois' (93, the administrative number of the Seine-Saint-Denis département of which Aulnay is part). 'The police are hypocrites. Many of them - though not the riot police who've been bussed in from the sticks in the past few days - know us. They know there are hash deals and who is doing them. They also know something that Sarkozy has not understood: just because you live on a housing estate doesn't make you a criminal.'
When asked if he considers himself integrated in France, HB claims that is not his aspiration. 'I am not sure what the word means. I am part of Mille-Mille and Seine-Saint-Denis, but I am not part of Sarkozy's France, or even the France of our local mayor whom we never see. At the same time, I realise I am French, because when I visit my parents' village in Algeria that doesn't feel like home either.'
2005-11-07 13:41 | User Profile
[I]The Dutch are starting to catch on; seems like the Germans are still somewhat befuddled...[/I]
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RIOTING IN FRANCE
What's Wrong with Europe?
By Rüdiger Falksohn, Thomas Hüetlin, Romain Leick, Alexander Smoltczyk and Gerald Traufetter
For 11 nights running, French police and firefighters have battled rioters on the streets of Paris suburbs -- and the violence seems to be spreading. But the unrest in France is only the latest chapter in the difficulties Europe has been having with integrating its immigrants.
REUTERS Local youths watch as firemen extinguish burning vehicles in Paris last week. Mayor Claude Dilain sits on the edge of his chair in his community's wedding banquet hall. His hands are folded on the table in front of him, and his face is a tortured reflections of the doubts and fears inside him.
For the past 10 years, Claude Dilain, 57, has been the mayor of Clichy-sous-Bois, a suburb in northeastern Paris with 28,100 inhabitants, mostly immigrants. Dilain calls it "a powder keg." He slightly resembles the French author Michel Houellebecq, but today he is paler than even the author normally is. The strain of the last few nights is no doubt part of it. But so to is a growing suspicion -- that the modern welfare state may be fully incapable of addressing some of his community's most pressing problems.
Dilain is a socialist and the vice-president of the French Convention of Municipal Authorities. He has been a proactive mayor, setting up free soccer training for local youth, appointing youth leaders as mediators and making sure that the community's waste collection service functions properly. Clichy-sous-Bois is an amalgam of schools, daycare centers, welfare offices, parks and a college that looks like something out of an architecture competition. The community library is currently sponsoring a writing contest themed "I come from afar, I like my country."
By any measure, Claude Dilain has done everything right. But these days he is filled with an ominous sense that doing things right may not be good enough.
What good is education without enough jobs?
Television news programs portray Clichy essentially as a Ramallah-sous-Bois, a place where young people in sneakers and hooded sweatshirts are trying their hand at revolution. They depict riot police armed with rubber bullets and tear gas patrolling streets lined with burning vehicles and garbage cans. A spokesman for the police officers' union is calling for the government to bring in the military. And all this against the backdrop of concrete walls covered in brightly painted murals, the work of local children in a program sponsored by the mayor's office.
PHOTO GALLERY: THE REVOLUTION OF THE SUBURBS
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Clichy-sous-Bois serves as evidence that the French route of soft integration has failed miserably. Of what use is education when there are no jobs? The hardnosed approach French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has taken has only made matters worse. And when Sarkozy, who has ambitions of becoming France's president, called the youth gangs "scum" and "riffraff" who must be dealt with severely, he was only adding fuel to the fire.
The French capital has an intifada unfolding on its doorstep. For 11 nights running, garbage containers and vehicles have been burning in DepartementSeine-Saint-Denis. Night after night, gangs of teenagers storm through their neighborhoods, throwing Molotov cocktails into carpet shops and nursery schools, turning vehicles into bonfires -- 250 in one night, then 315 the next night, and 500 the next.
On October 27, two local teenagers died until circumstances that have yet to be clarified. They had been running from the police, it is said -- although officials have since then denied that this was the case -- and they ended up in a dead-end alley at the end of which was an electricity substation. The warning sign Mayor Dilain had had affixed to the building's entrance -- featuring comic book characters for the area youth -- was no deterrent to 15-year-old Banou from Mali and his 17-year-old Tunisian friend, Ziad. They were electrocuted to death. A third boy survived but was seriously injured.
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A rumor that the police had driven the two boys to their deaths quickly began to spread. There have been street riots every night ever since, and the French government is in a state of crisis.
The authorities have had trouble catching these urban guerillas. The number of arrests -- 230 by last Friday, with even fewer convictions -- has been small compared to the scope of the violence and destruction. On Sunday night, though, fully 190 people were taken into custody by French police after they were fired on by demonstrators in Grigny just south of Paris.
A grave danger for the republic
French President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin remained silent on the matter for five days, creating the impression that they were passively looking on as the violence threatened to vaporize Sarkozy's political ambitions. But then they recognized that the dramatic events in Clichy-sous-Bois could in fact pose a grave danger for the entire republic.
President Chirac was urged to speak directly to the French public in a televised address, which he finally did on Sunday evening. "Law and order must have the last word," insisted Prime Minister de Villepin. The dynamic Sarkozy eventually came to life and cancelled all foreign trips, as did Villepin. All three seem to have realized that integration àla française -- which has transformed newcomers into citizens since the French Revolution -- has failed.
The rioters are the children of immigrants from North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa. Schools have been on holiday in France, giving these youths even more time on their hands, and it's also the end of the Ramadan fasting period, a time when nerves are already on edge. Their rebellion is directed against anything that even remotely reminds them of state authority, even the mailman. They are beyond reason, and no one, not their parents, not their teachers and least of all the authorities can get through to them.
REUTERS A French policeman holds a shotgun shell recovered on Sunday night after officers were fired on by rioters. Social divisions in today's French society run along ethnic and religious lines, and they also signify deep cultural rifts. The ideal of the French republic -- the nation as a community of the willing, of citizens who enjoy equal rights, regardless of their ethnic origins or religious beliefs -- is giving way to a volatile co-existence among communities that want to retain their identities and live according to their own rules. The official French position has always been to condemn multiculturalism -- and yet the state must now deal with the consequences.
Between "us" and "them"
The strict separation of church and state, a sacrosanct pillar of French government, has become an illusion. Jihad may not be what's inspiring the rioters, but Islam is undeniably an inseparable component of their self-identity. Islam strengthens their sense of solidarity, gives them the appearance of legitimacy and draws an unmistakable line between them and the others, the "French."
Suddenly "big brothers" -- devout bearded men from the mosques who wear long traditional robes -- are positioning themselves between the authorities and the rioters in Clichy-sous-Bois, calling for order in the name of Allah. As thousands of voices shout "Allahu Akbar" from the windows of high-rise apartment buildings, shivers run down the spines of television viewers in their seemingly safe living rooms.
As welcome as these self-appointed keepers of the peace may be, worried authorities think they have detected something akin to a Muslim law enforcement group -- perhaps even the beginnings of an Islamic militia. "The logic behind this unrest," says one police officer, "is secession." If he's right, it would be a nightmare scenario of entire neighborhoods and communities separating themselves from the state and essentially declaring their independence, creating zones with their own laws, areas to which the authorities no longer have access unless they wish to be perceived as hostile intruders.
For the past 25 years, France has had special programs, plans and suburban ministries for its troubled neighborhoods. Indeed, the French have become almost accustomed to the sight of burning garbage containers in the poverty-stricken suburbs of cities like Paris, Lyon, Strasbourg and Marseille.
But the problems have now escalated, with authorities registering 70,000 cases of vandalism, arson and gang violence this year alone. No less than 28,000 vehicles have been set on fire -- mostly belonging to the poor.
The Molotov cocktails, the stone throwers and the fanaticism are all reminiscent of the student riots of 1968. But this time the rioters are not the avant-garde, their leaders no leftist intellectuals like Jean-Paul Sartre or Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
Generation Jihad
What is shaking the public order in Europe's cities today is seething desperation that has erupted in directionless violence. The rioters' targets can just as easily be the government in Paris as other members of the underclass, as was recently the case in Birmingham. Of course, the terrorist attacks in Madrid and London are also fresh in people's minds.
It was merely a coincidence that Queen Elizabeth and British Prime Minister Tony Blair met with the family members of the 52 victims of the London subway and bus bombings last Tuesday to officially mourn their deaths on July 7. And it was also nothing but a coincidence that last Wednesday was the anniversary of the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by an Islamic extremist. But these are highly symbolic coincidences that have not gone unnoticed, as evidenced by a recent story in Time magazine that describes a "Generation Jihad" forming in Old Europe.
The events in Birmingham and the Paris suburbs are unrelated to terrorism. The riots are not about jihad, Iran or Palestine. But they have given rise to growing concerns that this urban violence could easily become a breeding ground for terrorist organizations like al-Qaida and other extremist groups.
According to official figures, France is home to a little over 5 million Muslims, the largest per capita concentration of Muslims in any country in the European Union. However, the official count is viewed as unreliable; religious affiliation is not recorded in the French census. France's Muslims feel marginalized, as do millions of other immigrants from former colonies throughout Europe, many of whom are unemployed. They live in suburban ghettos, unable to afford better neighborhoods. Now, with the ghettos turning in to battlefields, the notion that immigrants will voluntarily assimilate is proving questionable.
AP The murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh last November by a Moroccan extremist was a shock to the Netherlands.
Of course, part of the problem lies in the sheer numbers of immigrants -- and the fact that they tend to all live in the same place. Metropolitan Birmingham, Britain's second-largest city, has a population of about a million, and just under a third are of African or Asian descent. Statisticians believe that Birmingham's traditional white majority could become a minority in the next decade, and the same holds true for Amsterdam, now home to about 150 different nationalities.
Bowing to Mecca in Disneyland
Some Americans are calling this new Europe "Eurabia," a reference to the growing influence of Islam and Arabic culture in Old Europe, despite its political and cultural roots in Christianity. Indeed, one out of 10 Dutch citizens was born abroad. Disneyland near Paris even offers prayer rooms for French Muslims. In Britain, immigrants from former colonies have mostly slipped into the poverty of ghettos.
How can the members of this "desperate and dangerous new underclass," as social workers in Leeds call them, become responsible citizens? Who is preventing them from attacking one another, as was the case two weeks ago in Birmingham?
It doesn't take much for violence to erupt. The recent unrest in Lozells, one of Birmingham's poorest neighborhoods, claimed 2 lives, 20 injured and a large number of smashed windows and torched vehicles. The violence erupted when young Asians, most of whose parents came from Pakistan and India, clashed with the children of immigrants from the Caribbean.
In Birmingham, the violence was triggered by a rumor that Ajaib Hussein, the owner of a successful cosmetics business, had caught a 14-year-old Jamaican girl shoplifting and then, joined by up to 25 acquaintances and employees, raped the girl. Even still, there is no evidence that the incident ever occurred, nor that the alleged victim even existed. But the suspicion alone -- just as in Clichy-sous-Bois -- was enough to ignite the worst violence in Birmingham in more than 20 years, evidence of the enormous tensions in suburbs with a similar social makeup.
In Lozells, home to about 30,000 people, more than half of residents are of Asian origin and 20 percent are Caribbean. The district's 22 percent unemployment rate is almost three times as high as in the entire Birmingham region. "People here have to fight for every crumb that falls from the tables of the wealthy," says black Bishop Joe Aldred.
AP French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (right) and Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy have so far failed to figure out how to stop the rioting. The violence is fed by street gangs like the "Muslim Birmingham Panthers" and the "Burger Bar Boys," groups that originally formed to protect residents against racist attacks. They have since turned into crime syndicates, and Lozells has become a metaphor for Britain's failed integration and immigration policies, a community that the government can only control through tough policing. Ghettos like those in Chicago and Miami have appeared, say experts, and the anger of those who live there is directed at neighbors with different skin colors and bigger television sets -- and not at the "infidels of the West."
"Black holes"
Britain's white establishment, warns Trevor Phillips, head of the Commission for Racial Equality, is "sleep-walking" into a future where cites will be full of "black holes." Recent surveys conclude that 95 percent of all white Britons have exclusively white friends, that 37 percent of non-white residents also prefer to socialize with their own, and that this trend is on the rise, especially among young people. In places like Lozells, only one in 15 children succeeds in climbing the social ladder.
Such neighborhoods are fertile recruiting grounds for fundamentalists, because "the majority of Muslims in Great Britain are frustrated but cannot talk about it," says Sayid Sharif, 37, an immigrant and construction engineer from North London. "They would never publicly express approval of the London attacks, but they secretly believe that Great Britain got what it deserved."
Official England mourned the victims of the July 7 bombings just last week -- psychologists recommended not marking the attacks earlier. A few days later on the other side of the channel, the Netherlands marked the first anniversary of the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh. He was killed by an unemployed Moroccan extremist.
The Dutch also face the ruins of their own integration policy, long considered exemplary. Indeed, for American terrorism expert Jessica Stern, the Netherlands is "a laboratory that's especially well-suited for studying the development of fear." Stern is astonished at how the murder of a single individual can affect an entire country. "How can a nation suddenly become so consumed by self-doubt? And how can it be that not just the Muslims, but also the native Dutch find themselves in such an identity crisis?
Is this integration? Sixty percent of the Netherlands' 1 million Muslims see themselves as Moroccans or Turks first, are often proud of their norms and values and seek comfort in their own communities. This creates parallel worlds so disparate that immigrant children speak of "the Dutch" as enemies. Their siblings attend Koran schools and more and more Muslim women now wear head scarves in public. Interactions between Muslims and the native Dutch are becoming increasingly abrasive, especially in public places like Amsterdam's shopping streets.
AFP Burning cars have become a nightly phenomenon in Paris.
No more tea
Journalists, attorneys and politicians of every stripe have been receiving anonymous threats. Even Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen, named one of Time magazine's "European heroes" of 2005 because of his conciliatory stance, now needs bodyguards. And Dutch authorities are installing more and more surveillance cameras in the country's most volatile urban neighborhoods.
"We were too soft. The days of drinking tea are over," says Dutch Minister of Immigration Rita Verdonk, who has adopted a hard-line approach toward troublemakers. Her officials have increasingly taken to deporting rejected asylum seekers, including those who were previously tolerated and whose children even attended Dutch schools.
According to a statistic compiled by the Anne Frank Foundation, there have been 106 reciprocal acts of revenge since the Van Gogh murder, including the firebombing of the Muslim Bedir Elementary School in the tranquil town of Uden by a youth gang that left behind a clear message to the country's Muslims: "White Power."
The combat zone is expanding, mirroring the scenario pale author Michel Houellebecq described in his latest bestseller. And it seems as if Europe's rootless immigrants are changing life on the continent in dramatic ways, with Birmingham and the Paris suburbs providing a taste of what may well be in Europe's future.
Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan
2005-11-07 13:55 | User Profile
The integration of Muslims into Europe will never work because the people never wanted them there and don't want to give the immigrants anything. It's the Jewish influenced governments which overruled the will of the people all those years ago and now it's finally blowing up in their faces. The chickens have come home to roost.
America faces the same prospect, although the American government has given it's immigrants everything in the world, at the expense of Whites, of course, to keep them fat and happy and reproductive and non-violent (for the most part).
2005-11-07 14:30 | User Profile
The "immigrants" are using cell phones to organize riots in different areas.
[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9938333/site/newsweek/"]newsweek[/URL] It was neither, in fact, and Parisââ¬âthe capital known to touristsââ¬âwas not burning. But by using cell-phone text messages to coordinate their incendiary flash-mobs, rioters in the city's suburbs managed to burn thousands of cars, as well as buses, warehouses and stores.
I think it is time for another revolution, but not just in France.
2005-11-07 15:33 | User Profile
At least this is one answer to the "What is the solution to the problem" question.
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VDARE.COM - [url]http://www.vdare.com/sailer/051106_buyout.htm[/url]
November 06, 2005 A Buyout Option For Europe's Muslims?
By Steve Sailer
Francis Fukuyama, a recovering neocon, continues his attempt to distance himself from neocon orthodoxy. Last week, in a Wall Street Journal essay "A Year of Living Dangerously: Remember Theo van Gogh, and shudder for the future" (November 2), Fukuyama heretically noted that immigration has proven a disaster for the Netherlands and Britain.
Of course, Fukuyama was only talking about Muslim immigration, not the good kind of immigration (i.e., everybody else in the world), so he's not wandering too far off the neocon reservation.
Further, Fukuyama's policy recommendations come straight out of Neoconism for Dummies:
"[C]ountries like Holland and Britain need toââ¬Â¦reformulate their definitions of national identity to be more accepting of people from non-Western backgroundsââ¬Â¦ [T]he much more difficult problem remains of fashioning a national identity that will connect citizens of all religions and ethnicities in a common democratic culture, as the American creed has served to unite new immigrants to the United States."
Been thereââ¬âdone that! As I wrote about Europe on VDARE.com over a year ago in a piece meaningfully headed "Four Failed Immigration Approaches":
"One European country has already tried out just about the entire neocon bag of assimilative tricksââ¬âwith deeply mixed resultsââ¬Â¦ The French have traditionally tried to do with their immigrants almost exactly what the neocons recommend here: cultural assimilation, education in civics theories, monolingualism, meritocracy, separation of church and state, and all the rest.ââ¬Â
And today we can see the result: a week straight of immigrant rioting in Paris of such intensity that one French official likened it to a "civil war."
Bad timing, Frank!
Which brings us to the unmentionable alternative solution that Peter Brimelow has just pointed out in his Why Not (Muslim) Emigration?: A more practical approach than "fashioning a national identity that will connectââ¬Â etc. etc. would be to have the disaffected simply leave.
A push-pull policy could be very effective in getting Muslims to go away. European countries should combine the push of a crackdown on welfare and crime with the pull of a buy-out offer. Returning to the Old Country with a sizable nest egg would be alluring to many who haven't assimilated into the European middle class.
A buy-out program, paying Muslims who are legal residents of European countries to emigrate, could be a huge bargain compared to more rioting, terrorism, crime, and multiculturalism.
Offer Muslim residents, say, $25,000 each to go away. Permanently.
A family of five festering in the slums of slums of Paris, Rotterdam, and Birmingham could live in North Algeria, Pakistan, or Indonesia like local gentry if they had $125,000 in the bank!
Of course, not all Muslims would accept the buy-out, but those who stayed behind would tend to be the more satisfied and less troublesome.
A few technical caveats: bullet The program could only be open to legal residents in the country as of today, to discourage both a sudden influx and a baby boom.
bullet To discourage illegal return immigration, the buyout would only be paid out over the course of, say, five years to ex-residents now actually living in Muslim countries.
bullet An immigrant who accepts the buy-out but then wishes to return to the European country for a tourist visit would have to deposit the value of the buyout as a bond. Visa over-stayers would be imprisoned.
At $25,000 each, for every million Muslims who leave, the one-time cost to the taxpayers would be $25 billion.
For the Dutch, who have about one million Muslims resident, the gross cost would be just over 5% of one year's GDP ($481 billion in 2004). (To get the net cost, youââ¬â¢d have to adjust for savings to the taxpayer like the cost of e.g. educating immigrant children. It might well turn out that this buy-out program is a fiscal boon).
Even if it took $50,000 each, that would still only be one percent of the Netherland's GDP per year for merely a decade.
Thatââ¬â¢s a cheap price for solving the country's worst problem.
Although buy-outs are a win-win solution, they are considered a weird, radical idea by the reigning multi-cultis, whose most-quoted philosopher once asked "Can't we all just get along?"
But, in private life, where people care more about effective problem-solving than competing in a holier-than-thou sweepstakes, buy-outs are a common practice.
When a business finds it hired the wrong people, it often determines that paying them to go away is better for all concerned that letting them hang around.
Europe must now know that it brought in too many of the wrong kind of people. It should act like a responsible corporation and pay them to leave.
Not for the first time, the Israelis have the right idea. Iââ¬â¢ve already noted that theyââ¬â¢ve demonstrated for us that border fences work. Now it turns out theyââ¬â¢ve also tried buy-outs. Payments to leave have been used at least twice in recent times: to pay off Israeli settlers to exit the Sinai in the early 1980s in the wake of the Camp David Accords; and to vacate the Gaza Strip earlier this year, successfully averting civil war within Israel.
Of course, for a European democracy to start a program of immigrant buy-outs would be a crushing rebuke to Western governments' decades-long determination to ââ¬Åelect a new people.ââ¬Â
That's all the more reason to do it.
[Steve Sailer [email him], is founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute and movie critic for The American Conservative. His website www.iSteve.com features site-exclusive commentaries.]
2005-11-07 15:44 | User Profile
Last night on CNN, the anchorwoman who was discussing this story stated that the riots were started when 2 [B]African-American[/B] youths were electrocuted while fleeing police. :lol: The conditioning goes very deep, doesn't it?
2005-11-07 18:38 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill] 2 [B]African-American[/B]
:smartass: That's due to her high edumacation.
2005-11-08 06:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]The "immigrants" are using cell phones to organize riots in different areas.
I think it is time for another revolution, but not just in France.[/QUOTE]
Here's Ice Cube's opinion :afro:
[QUOTE]The whole city is on fire, And now it's down to the wire Time to call for a national emergency, Cause white folk goin up in smoke Too fast, they ass is out before they know it, So when I light this cocktail, Cube throw it And make sure that it reach, Yeah mother****er, that's for Howard Beach And Brother Olivert X, so what's next with y'all punk-ass cowards? Each of us bring fo' devils and let's get this over with, yeah, no shit We ain't worried about dyin, (Man I think you better give up man) Nah I ain't even tryin I'd rather go out fightin, But let y'all tell it I'm incitin, a Watts riot [url]http://www.lyricscrawler.com/song/35439.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
2005-11-08 08:28 | User Profile
Someone ought to make a computer game out of this. It could be the next "Grand Theft Auto". They'd sell millions.
2005-11-08 12:54 | User Profile
Have fun! (Call to Jihad, in French but you don't need a degree)
[url]http://media.putfile.com/French-riots[/url]
2005-11-08 13:45 | User Profile
HP, bonjour, ca va? J'espere que vos proches sont tous bien en France.
Do you think the Front National are going to gain seats in the Senate eventually because of these riots? If the Communists can have Senate seats with fewer votes than the Front National, do you think it's time FN gets theirs?
Le Pen seems like a prophet now, although I don't think it was so difficult to predict a disaster like this.
2005-11-08 22:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]HP, bonjour, ca va? J'espere que vos proches sont tous bien en France.
Everybody is going fine, thank you. Although I live in a peaceful neighborhood, 2 cars were set on fire yesterday 40 meters from my house. Firefighters came to put it out and citizens were extremely upset, and I've heard a few racial slurs from old people.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Do you think the Front National are going to gain seats in the Senate eventually because of these riots?[/QUOTE] Most likely, not in the Senate. Senators aren't elected directly by the people. In the Assembly, we'll see.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]If the Communists can have Senate seats with fewer votes than the Front National, do you think it's time FN gets theirs?[/QUOTE] It's very hard for the FN to get any seat in the Assembly, as all other parties side together against it in the second round of each election. I still can't predict the outcomes of these events.
2005-11-09 02:19 | User Profile
HP, What do you think will be done to deal with these thugs?