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Thread ID: 20792 | Posts: 45 | Started: 2005-10-28
2005-10-28 16:49 | User Profile
Libby indicted of everything but the kitchen sink........another nail in Bushe's coffin.
2005-10-28 16:56 | User Profile
Yup, I just saw this on Yahoo News:
...obstruction of justice, making a false statement and perjury in the CIA leak case.
Good!
2005-10-28 17:10 | User Profile
:holiday: washingtonpost.com Cheney Adviser Indicted in CIA Leak Probe
By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST The Associated Press Friday, October 28, 2005; 12:52 PM
WASHINGTON -- Vice presidential adviser I. Lewis "Scooter' Libby Jr. was indicted Friday on charges of obstruction of justice, making a false statement and perjury in the CIA leak case.
Karl Rove, President Bush's closest adviser, apparently escaped indictment Friday but remained under investigation, his legal status a looming political problem for the White House.
The indictments stem from a two-year investigation by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald into whether Rove, Libby or any other administration officials knowingly revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame or lied about their involvement to investigators.
The five-count indictment accuses Libby of lying about how and when he learned about CIA official Valerie Plane's identity in 2003 and then told reporters about it. The information was classified.
Any trial would shine a spotlight on the secret deliberations of Bush and his team as they built the case for war against Iraq.
Bush ordered U.S. troops to war in March 2003, saying Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program posed a grave and immediate threat to the United States. No such weapons were found. The U.S. military death toll climbed past 2,000 this week. é 2005 The Associated Press [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102800153.html[/url] ================ :holiday: Limbaugh is spinning like hell. He and his fellow Neocon talk radio hacks are reduced to hollering about Clinton. I got bad news for them. Clinton isn't president anymore, so that is irrelevant. They should have nailed him when they had the chance.
As for Limbaugh's spin, if scientists could find a way, I believe they could put satelites in orbit just from the RPS alone. SQAULL! :biggrin:
Neocons used to love to tell us about "creative destruction" and "dominos falling". Well, this is "creative destruction" I happily approve of-- that of this traitorous and corrupt Administration and when it comes to "dominos fallings", well, "Scooter" will be the first of many, I believe.
2005-10-28 17:19 | User Profile
And now for no apparent reason I have an old advertising lyric running through my head over and over: "If it says Libby Libby Libby on the label label label, you will like it like it like it on your table table table.....":holiday:
2005-10-28 17:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius] :holiday: Limbaugh is spinning like hell. He and his fellow Neocon talk radio hacks are reduced to hollering about Clinton. I got bad news for them. Clinton isn't president anymore, so that is irrelevant. They should have nailed him when they had the chance.[/QUOTE] Well maybe we shall have another Clinton presidency in a few years; John Bergstrom of Attack Cartoons considers the possibility: [url]http://www.attackcartoons.com/[/url].....which is particularly pathetic when one stops to realize what a neo-con John Bergstrom turned out to be. We had such high hopes for this talented cartoonist, but that was before 911 turned him from a "libertarian" into a raving warhawk neo-con.
Edit: removed insults. Calling him a neocon is insulting enough.
2005-10-28 17:46 | User Profile
Typical jew...his real name is probably Leibowitz...:oh:
2005-10-28 17:54 | User Profile
I am enjoying Limbaugh's obvious discomfort. Carville has nothing on him. Some guy just called him to tell him that they should get into the gutter like the Democrats in order to fight this. Too late for the Stupid Party. They are already in the sewer with this one. Another thing about Limbaugh's spin and I am not sure whether he is being a fool or a knave here. He thinks this is all about Rove and folks are let down over Libby. Only those who haven't followed this would think it was all about Rove. I would have been disappointed if it had been Rove. Libby is alot more important for the treason and corruption is clustered around the VP's office.
PD,
Rush Lichtbaum.
2005-10-28 18:01 | User Profile
Scooter Libby indicted on 5 felony counts: YeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhHHHHHaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! :punk:
Funny though, Libby was probably the designated fall guy to protect vampire Dick "Lestat" Cheney.
The vampires hate the light.
2005-10-28 18:23 | User Profile
Any trial would shine a spotlight on the secret deliberations of Bush and his team as they built the case for war against Iraq. This is what I'm really hoping for. It will be nice to see one bastard go down, but I hope these indictments end up opening a much bigger can of worms.
2005-10-28 18:28 | User Profile
By the way I posted post number one while the news was still on and then 12 minutes later Libby letter of resignation was already in the news, that means that the letter of resignation was ready to go from BEFORE the news of the indictment came out.
2005-10-28 18:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]This is what I'm really hoping for. It will be nice to see one bastard go down, but I hope these indictments end up opening a much bigger can of worms.[/QUOTE]
Angler, me too. One down, about 7 more to go! (including Dumbya)
2005-10-28 19:33 | User Profile
Ponce,
I understand the indictments were sealed yesterday.
2005-10-28 19:40 | User Profile
Sert, I'm enjoying this crack up derby of the criminal Bush regime so much I don't know what's better: The actual indictment of Libby or the sreeching hyenas on "Free"Republic lamenting about this "left wing" witch hunt.
2005-10-28 19:42 | User Profile
Yeah these guys deserve to be indicted considering the severity of this situation.
Speaking of the press conference, did anyone hear Fitzgeralds baseball analogy? It was HORRIBLE and took him about 5 minutes to explain. Someone needs to tell this guy that the point of analogies is to SIMPLIFY the point you are trying to make.
2005-10-28 19:56 | User Profile
Bacchus,
I heard it and actually, I thought he did a good job with it, when I consider how the sycophants have been trying to muddy the waters. I guess it depends on the listener. ++++++++++ Fox is starting to comment about the Downing Street memo and the yellow cake. Bush's comment on this noncommittal. I can't wait to hear Hannity, "the Parsons of Neocon talk radio" has to say about this. :lol:
XM,
I haven't been on "Free" Republic, but I can well imagine the squalling about "Liberals and Democrats" being behind this. These idiots fail to realize that this is a legal issue as in the rule of law and accountabilty they love to preach about (when it involves the opposing party that is).
The Clinton Defenders have nothing on the "Freepers", "dittoheads" and "hanniots" when it comes to being a collection of hypocritical suckasses. If one of their "leaders" like Rush would to :dung: in a bowl, hand it to them and tell them to eat it, I have no doubt they would and pronounce it superb. Speaking of Rush I bet he goes back on Oxycontin before it is over. That fathead must hurt like hell right now after all of this and it is only going to get worse for him. Good.
**MERRY FITZMAS!![/B]
:cheers:
2005-10-28 20:06 | User Profile
Sert, I'm awaiting with fear and loathing the "Mother Of All Spins" from the usual neocon fascist waterboys in the media. Let's see what they come up with this time! It's already starting on "Free"Republic, and it's quite entertaining in a sick sort of way.
Merry Fitzmas!
2005-10-28 20:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius] I haven't been on "Free" Republic, but I can well imagine the squalling about "Liberals and Democrats" being behind this. These idiots fail to realize that this is a legal issue as in the rule of law and accountabilty they love to preach about (when it involves the opposing party that is). [/QUOTE]They are nothing if not predictable, and it aint just the Freakers. The entire neocon, bushbot apparatus is being mobilized.
Check out this from the Attack Cartoons link I posted earlier; it looks like they are still trying to spread their neocon FUD, ie, accuse the accuser, facts be damned:
[url]http://www.attackcartoons.com/[/url]
Webmonster here. Stephen Spruiell of the NRO MediaBlog has posted an open letter asking the Mainstream Media to tell the truth about Joseph Wilson.
This is important, folks. Wilson lied about his wife's role in his landing the Niger assignment, he lied about his findings and he's lying about her being "outed". Send a copy of this to your local paper, or contact Spruiell if you find someone perpetuating the media's myths. I smell desperation. If these lies didn't stick before, they aren't going to stick now that we have an actual indictment. The last thing the neocon lie machine needs is more confirmation in open court about the shenanigans they have been pulling, creating "evidence" for their little war for Israel.
2005-10-28 20:21 | User Profile
Greg, [IMG]http://www.attackcartoons.com/images/articles/motherbucker_1.gif[/IMG] I like this cartoon better. It shows the GOP stomping the hell out of the Constitution.
On Hannity, Mark Levine is bitching about this. To think, the insult rendered against the patriotism of Libby! He quit a million dollar a year law firm job to serve his country!
The problem with Levine's screed is that he fails to point out that country is Israel.
Hannity quote: [QUOTE]You'd think he was prosecuting a double homocide of young children today.[/QUOTE] Oh, the horror! The sheer terror of it all! Squall!
2005-10-29 03:22 | User Profile
Why are kikes so uniformly ugly and repulsive? This kike takes the kake.
2005-10-30 11:02 | User Profile
[quote=madrussian]Why are kikes so uniformly ugly and repulsive? This kike takes the kake.
I saw one post on another site that does ID Libby as Jewish...Has anyone seen any other sources on this?
2005-10-30 11:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]This is what I'm really hoping for. It will be nice to see one bastard go down, but I hope these indictments end up opening a much bigger can of worms.[/QUOTE]
You are going to get just what you asked for come next election. :yes:
2005-10-30 13:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]You are going to get just what you asked for come next election. :yes:[/QUOTE]I don't see what any election has to do with it. What I'm asking for is that the Judeocons and their willing goy puppets get punished for treason, for conspiring to deceive the US into going to war for Israel.
In your mind, does that somehow make me a fan of Democrats? Has it ever occurred to you that I might hate both major parties and want to see a return to Constitutionally-limited government?
For homework, I'm assigning you some reading. Go to Ron Paul's website and read at least three of his essays (in "Texas Straight Talk") by tomorrow:
[url]http://www.house.gov/paul/[/url]
2005-10-30 13:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]I saw one post on another site that does ID Libby as Jewish...Has anyone seen any other sources on this?[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, he's definitely a kike:
[url]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bushjews.html[/url]
2005-10-30 16:44 | User Profile
Angler,
Elections have nothing to do with this, though, if I were Gabrielle, I would be very concerned. Despite what Stupid Party spokespeople say, this isn't going away. I expect before this is over that a number of Republicans jump ship on this one. From listening to all these people in the media, Republican and Democrat, I can say this. Of course they are partisan whores who only think in terms of party. They don't get it, Rove isn't that important, Libby is. This goes right to the heart of the Judeo-plutocracy. I still am of the opinion that before this is over everyone involved in the VP's office is going to be thrown out, including that piece of human garbage, Dick Cheney.
2005-10-31 02:10 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
Here's a song for you: [url=http://www.kxem1010.com/audio/FROG%20MARCH%20WITH%20COMMENTARY.mp3]Frog March[/url]
2005-10-31 07:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Angler, I still am of the opinion that before this is over everyone involved in the VP's office is going to be thrown out, including that piece of human garbage, Dick Cheney.[/QUOTE]
I think you're right. I notice Rumsfeld's name is being mentioned a lot in the back ground noise these days as well.
Here's a question, how do conservatives turn this to their advantage? It's unlikely we'll ever recapture the Republican party. How do we pull the real conservatives out of that viper's nest?
2005-10-31 10:53 | User Profile
[quote=Angler]Oh yeah, he's definitely a kike:
[URL="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bushjews.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bushjews.html[/URL]
Thanks for the source Angler...Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
2005-10-31 13:26 | User Profile
THE INDICTMENT! WOW! WHAT INCREDIBLE EXCITEMENT!
First of all ... let's pause just a second to remember what Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, was supposed to investigate. His job was to find out whether or not the identification of Valerie Plame was a violation of federal law. The answer to that question is apparently in the negative. Sure, Fitzgerald is keeping the investigation open for a time, but it's a save bet to assume that the identification of Plame was not a crime, either because she was not a covert CIA agent at the time the identification was made, or because the person making the identification was not aware of her status. The evidence seems to be that she was not covert at the time she was identified. No crime.
What crime has been charged? Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff, has been charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements. What did he do? Well, as best as I can figure it out it happened this way. New York Times reporter Matthew Cooper asked Libby what he had heard about the status of Valerie Plame. Libby answered that he had heard other reporters saying that Plame worked for the CIA. The investigation apparently showed that Libby told Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA without the qualification that he had heard that from other reporters. There's two of your crimes, the two counts of perjury. Libby also said that he had talked to NBC's Tim Russert about the affair, when he had not.
What wasn't Libby charged with? Disclosing the name of a CIA covert agent, or conspiring to do so. I don't know who first coined this phrase, but essentially Libby was charged with lying about a crime that was not committed.
Now ... let's talk about the lying thing. Our entire system of justice relies of our ability to compel people to tell the truth and to punish them if they should fail to do so. Lying under oath is a serious matter, whether you're lying to deny a young woman you've sexually harassed her day in court, or lying to protect your political position or the position of your boss. These lies must be punished, not necessarily because of the severity of the crime involved, but because of the fact that someone swore to tell the truth, and then did not. The severity of the crime being investigated is not the issue, the fact that a lie was told is. Our system of civil and criminal justice would fall into ruin if we were to adopt some standard that outright perjury or lying to investigators can be tolerated if the crime being investigated isn't all that serious. We would then have to create some system under which we would grade civil and criminal complaints as to their degrees of seriousness so as to determine whether the people involved would have to tell the truth or not.
In the case of Scooter Libby and Valerie Plame it seems clear that no crime was committed, yet lies may have been told during the investigative process that made that determination. If so, then indictments are proper, and punishment is warranted. Remember, though, that it is not enough for a statement to be untrue for it to be categorized as a lie. The person uttering that statement has to know that the statement was not true at the time the statement was made. Therefore, George Bush's assertions that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction was not a lie, unless it can be proven that Bush knew at the time he made the statement that it was not true. (Since such weapons have, in fact, been found ... the question of whether or not Bush lied has been put to rest.)
Now that the media circus is close to being played out, let's review:
1.) The left and the media are trying to portray this as some sort of confirmation that 'Bush lied' about weapons of mass destruction. Libby's indictment is nothing of the sort. In fact, Libby was indicted for the cover-up of a non-crime. Fitzgerald went out of his way Friday to say Libby wasn't being charged for outing Valerie Plame. Thus, the entire reason for the initial probe has been dropped.
2.) Liberals are acting like Scooter Libby is the most powerful government official to have ever lived. The fact of the matter is that most people have no idea who Scooter Libby is. For all they know, it's Phil Rizzuto's love child from his playing days and not the vice-president's chief of staff. The story will be off the radar screen by this afternoon, once Bush nominates his new Supreme Court replacement.
3.) This is not the start of some huge scandal. Fitzgerald had 2 years and millions of dollars to investigate this non-crime, and we have one person being charged. Case closed. If it was going to go any higher, it would have already. Democrats are naturally disappointed.
Oh, and to further enrage your leftist friends....Libby's lying to the grand jury is the same as Bill Clinton's. The difference is Bill Clinton didn't serve a day in jail, and Scooter Libby most certainly will.
Before we move on, here's something I wanted you to see from today's "Vent" in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
"Let's compare: committing treason for political retribution while leading the country into war under false pretenses, vs. trying to avoid direct answers about an illicit affair with an intern."
If the person who phoned in this "vent" is a registered voter we're all in big trouble.
2005-10-31 13:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I don't see what any election has to do with it. What I'm asking for is that the Judeocons and their willing goy puppets get punished for treason, for conspiring to deceive the US into going to war for Israel.
In your mind, does that somehow make me a fan of Democrats? Has it ever occurred to you that I might hate both major parties and want to see a return to Constitutionally-limited government?
For homework, I'm assigning you some reading. Go to Ron Paul's website and read at least three of his essays (in "Texas Straight Talk") by tomorrow:
[url]http://www.house.gov/paul/[/url][/QUOTE]
Reality-check time, gentlemen… whether you like it or not (and I know it stinks) we have two choices – the Republicans or the Democrats. Anyone who says different is either a liar or a dreamer. And, like it or not, the Republicans are our only hope until our people repent and turn back to God’s (Jesus’ laws)…so, instead of whining, you should be doing what you can to help your people – which, politically, is working towards taking over the Republican Party.
2005-10-31 13:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=londo]Here's a question, how do conservatives turn this to their advantage? It's unlikely we'll ever recapture the Republican party. How do we pull the real conservatives out of that viper's nest?[/QUOTE] Londo,
That's the $64,000 question. I don't think they "have invented armored piercing rounds for ironheads", as Solzhenitsyn would say. Some will belately realize what a crock this is and leave for third parties. Some will simply stay home, come election day.
Because it appears we are stuck with both of these worthless political parties, here is something I would like to see. I'd like to see around 30 independents Conservatives elected to the House. There they could act as a rudder for our drifting major parties. Believe it or not, there are actually a few positions held by the Republicans and Democrats that deserve support. This core of 30 independents could throw the passage of legislation from one party to another when it comes to worthwhile legislation. For example, a number of Stupid Party members want action taken about immigration. This would obviously be supported whereas, some of the Evil Party members are trying to promote measures against outsourcing and "free" trade. This would be supported as well. This core of 30 could play the parties against one another and keep the worst stuff from passing while passing to good stuff. It would be even better if a few Senators could be elected as well. I think that would stop the bulk of the nonsense that passes as "doing the work of the American people".
2005-10-31 13:49 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
Did you like the "Frog March" song? [QUOTE]And, like it or not, the Republicans are our only hope until our people repent and turn back to Godââ¬â¢s (Jesusââ¬â¢ laws)ââ¬Â¦[/QUOTE] I hate to be the one to tell you this, but if the Republicans are our only hope, our butts are going straight to hell, sure enough.
2005-10-31 15:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Gabrielle,
Did you like the "Frog March" song?
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but if the Republicans are our only hope, our butts are going straight to hell, sure enough.[/QUOTE]
My computer won't open it.
2005-10-31 15:17 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
Darn. I thought it was pretty funny.
2005-11-01 00:09 | User Profile
[quote=Sertorius]Gabrielle,
Darn. I thought it was pretty funny.
Wouldn't open for me either, probably Norton keeping me "safe." Bah.
AE
2005-11-01 02:15 | User Profile
[B][SIZE=4]Political darts now, boomerang later?[/SIZE][/B]
[B][SIZE=3]Democrats lashing at indicted Cheney aide need to recall President Clinton's questionable pardon of a Libby client[/SIZE][/B]
James P. Pinkerton
On Friday, many Democrats and reporters were disappointed that Karl Rove was not indicted. But they shouldn't worry too much, because the indictment of Lewis "Scooter" Libby will make for good partisan blood sport - although in years to come, Libby's case might yet offer cheer to Republicans.
On Thursday night, ABC News' Ted Koppel spoke of the "expectation" that Rove would be indicted, and the following day The New Republic's Jason Zengerle described special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's failure to bring in an indictment of Rove as a "letdown." But reacting quickly to the news, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York flailed at Libby, declaring the alleged actions of Vice President Dick Cheney's now-former chief of staff to be "reprehensible."
Clinton must be careful, however, because Libby's past legal career is closely intertwined with her husband's presidency. During the 1980s and 1990s, Libby was a lawyer for Marc Rich.
And if you don't remember Marc Rich, you will be reminded of him soon enough. He's the American financier who skipped out of the United States in 1983, one step ahead of a $48-million tax bill and a 51-count indictment for various skullduggeries, including trading with Iran amidst the American hostage crisis. As Rich's lawyer over the next two decades, Libby collected, by his own estimate, some $2 million in fees.
Wait, there's more. In January 2001, outgoing President Bill Clinton gave Rich a pardon. Interestingly, Rich's ex-wife, Denise, donated more than a million dollars to Democratic causes around then, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
Libby denied having anything to do with the pardon effort, but admitted he had called Rich on January 22, 2001 - which is to say, after he started working for Cheney - to congratulate him on his getting off. And Libby's powerful presence inside the White House - his title was assistant to George W. Bush as well chief of staff to Cheney - might help explain why the incoming Bush administration failed to pursue obvious threads of corruption trailing out of President Clinton's pardon of Rich and other dubious figures.
For his part, Rich shows no signs of behaving better. Still wheeling and dealing out of Switzerland, he is a featured nogoodnik in the new UN report on Saddam Hussein and the UN's corrupt Oil for Food program. Which is to say, investigators might wish to look into any continuing Libby-Rich links.
But some in the journalistic world will rightly fear too much investigation of Libby. The New York Times' Judith Miller, for example, has long had a strangely close connection with Libby - so close Miller went to jail for three months rather than testify about her conversations with him before Fitzgerald's grand jury. In September, Libby wrote a letter to Miller in jail, part of which reads, "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them." Was this an affectionate note? Or was Libby sending some sort of coded message to Miller?
In fact, Miller's boss at the Times worried aloud about Miller's "entanglement" with Libby. Entangled in what? In some personal relationship? Or an ideological relationship, as they agreed to trumpet phony evidence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction?
Any such revelations would likely damage the Bush-Cheney White House, as well as The Times.
However, down the road, as we look to the next presidential election, the political leaves might turn brighter for the GOP. How so? Because the federal prosecutor who went after Marc Rich, back in 1983, was one Rudolph Giuliani.
Now suppose Giuliani ends up with the Republican presidential nomination, squaring off against Hillary Rodham Clinton. In their nationally televised debate, Libby would be a mere footnote. But Rich would be an important topic, since neither Bill nor Hillary has ever fully explained his pardon.
So Libby's case provides a lesson in how Washington works. To use his image, when people are so connected in sneaky ways, if one "tree" starts to turn, an entire cluster might fall.
2005-11-01 03:56 | User Profile
Bit of a reversal here, with the Jew wire-puller taking the fall while the goy front man stays untouched.
2005-11-01 10:30 | User Profile
Hugh,
In this case I wouldn't consider Cheney to be a goy frontman as a partner in crime of the plutocratic variety.
2005-11-01 13:05 | User Profile
[quote=Gregor]But some in the journalistic world will rightly fear too much investigation of Libby. The New York Times' Judith Miller, for example, has long had a strangely close connection with Libby - so close Miller went to jail for three months rather than testify about her conversations with him before Fitzgerald's grand jury. In September, Libby wrote a letter to Miller in jail, part of which reads, "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them." Was this an affectionate note? Or was Libby sending some sort of coded message to Miller?
In fact, Miller's boss at the Times worried aloud about Miller's "entanglement" with Libby. Entangled in what?
Anybody know any way to induce rattlesnakes to commit suicide?
2005-11-04 08:22 | User Profile
Haha. Look at this! Bergstrom's reading comprehension appears to be close to zero, as he mistakenly thinks we were calling him a Jew, which is completely untrue, as anyone who spent more than a moment reading this thread can tell:
[url]http://www.attackcartoons.com/article.php?story=monkeybone#comments[/url]
it's saying something when i call people a "right wing fruitloops". these guys at originaldissent use "neocon" as an insult. and they went on to speculate about my jewish ancestry. bergstrom is a swedish name, morons.
at the other end of the spectrum some chick at hilary08 finds my humor juvenile.
she probably wouldn't like this one, either.
i love the attention.
Right wing fruitloops? This from someone who parrots every single ludicrious right-wing neo-con conspiracy theory and spin and FUD, making himself indistinguishable from Free Republic or Little Green Footballs or similar such venues of moronic neo-con echo chamber "discussion"? Know-nothing GOP hack partisans who long ago gave up on their principles, sacrificing them to the idea that "my party can do no wrong, evil is only on the other side".
Newsflash: neo-con is an insult. The neo-cons are a criminal conspiracy, traitors, who lied us into an unnecessary war. They are mass murderers by proxy. They have killed unneccessarily 2,000 American soldiers and crippled for life tens of thousands more. The numbers of their Iraqi victims literally cannot be counted, by a deliberate decision of policy. They should be hung, drawn, and quartered, live on TV for the education of similiar such government parasites who might be thinking of emulating their exploits. At the very least they should be in jail. They are indistinguishable from the types that infested the Clinton regime, happy to murder tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians in Serbia or Iraq, so long as it was "worth it" as Madeleine Albright put it.
Note how pathetically Bergstrom plays the "anti-semite" card. No one on this thread accused him of being a Jew. The comment after mine was a speculation (probably wrong, but what do I know) about Libby's name, Bergstrom, not about your name. Sure, there are feverish anti-semites who are constantly calling anyone they don't like a "Jew"- guess what, Bergstrom, despite the fact that you are, as I recall, a Swedish Catholic, you can serve Zionist agendas just as easily as anyone else, Jew or gentile. It really doesn't matter what your ethnicity is. So pointing out that anti-semites accuse you of being a Jew, does not absolve you of being a pathetic Zionist tool, Bushbot, and moronic and hysterical Islamophobe (as opposed to rational Islamophobes, of which there are plenty). It merely illustrates your mentality.
Accusations of "anti-semitism" is the first resort of a scoundrel, Bergstrom.
You have artistic talent, Bergstrom, but you waste it on your politics which since 9/11/01 have gone straight to hell (and which is in every way a repudiation of your previous conservative, small government libertarianism). It's not surprising your website draws almost zero comments. We'll go there to look at your cartoons, since you do have talent, but we have no interest in debating someone whose talking points come straight from Fox News and Frontpage Magazine. Your neo-con garbage has already been debunked, thoroughly, by better people than us. So we aren't going to waste time repeating truth to people who refuse to listen.
As to your pathetic attempt to draw traffic to your site by calling people morons - guess what. You are very much late to the great neo-con internet party. Your ideas are so common nowadays and so repudiated (outside of the narrow Bushbot party faithful) that you have no new "markets" to conquer. Your type is a dime a dozen. The neo-cons don't need to pay you since you whore yourself to them for free.
2005-11-04 09:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Typical jew...his real name is probably Leibowitz...:oh:[/QUOTE]Hey, Bergstrom, here's a clue for you: he was talking about Libby, not about you. Get it? Not everything is about you. You think maybe in a thread where we are talking about Libby, someone saying his "real name is probably Leibowitz" is probably talking about Libby, not about you, don't you think?
Now you understand why I don't trust your judgement. If you can't get this bit of reading comprehension right, I really don't expect you to be able to see through the lies that led us to war. It requires that you objectively evaluate sources of information whether you like what they have to say or not, and I don't think you are willing to do that. You've bought in to the "war on terror" hysteria and you are not about to let little things like facts get in your way. And that reduces you to nothing but a partisan hack, which frankly is a waste of your potential as an artist and a humorist.
Pennsylvania_Dutch: I know plenty of Jews named Libby. It's a pretty common Jewish name. The "Leibowitz" speculation really is not necessary.
2005-11-04 13:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Reality-check time, gentlemenââ¬Â¦ whether you like it or not (and I know it stinks) we have two choices ââ¬â the Republicans or the Democrats. [/QUOTE]Homer Simpson: "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
2005-11-04 14:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I don't see what any election has to do with it. What I'm asking for is that the Judeocons and their willing goy puppets get punished for treason, for conspiring to deceive the US into going to war for Israel. Not likely to happen, but devoutly to be wished for.
In your mind, does that somehow make me a fan of Democrats? Has it ever occurred to you that I might hate both major parties and want to see a return to Constitutionally-limited government?
Amen to that.> For homework, I'm assigning you some reading. Go to Ron Paul's website and read at least three of his essays (in "Texas Straight Talk") by tomorrow:
[url]http://www.house.gov/paul/[/url][/QUOTE] Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the chances of this actually leading to public exposure of the entire neocon war swindle is pretty damn small; as for punishing these bastards for treason, not likely. I have plenty of areas of disagreement with Alex Linder, but he seems likely to be proven right if past history is any indication:
[url]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/[/url]
[url=http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7845]Fitzgerald[/url]
Raimondo's girlish enthusiasm is misplaced. The Libby indictment is close to meaningless. This is the rare case in which the neocons are closer to the mark than the libertarians/paleocons. Raimondo and the rest misidentify the source of the problem and overestimate its coming uppance. It may turn out that one or two jews/goyfronts endure a year or two of light prison, but likelier is the jews simmer down for a few months, draw up new plans, and reinfect. More here from Pussy Cat [url=http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7833]Roberts[/url]. Here on the Iraq war being bad for [url=http://amconmag.com/2005/2005_11_07/article.html]Israel[/url]. As Israeli leaders see it, the Jewish state would have a hard time adjusting to a democratic Arab world in which public opinion, rather than centralized rulers, determined policy. Jews can't survive a direct look. [M]ost Israelis believe that democracy in the Arab world could easily translate into even greater hostility toward Israel. They believe that in the U.S., too.
2005-11-04 15:15 | User Profile
STOP HIM: Ahmed Chalabi Planning to Speak at American Enterprise Institute
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The American Enterprise Institute is [url=http://www.aei.org/event1192/]planning to host[/url] Ahmed Chalabi, Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, for his first American speech in 2 1/2 years at 2:30 p.m. on Wednesday, November 9.
Chalabi should be in jail for the combination of espionage, lies, and deceit that he used to help seduce America into an invasion of Iraq that has left our nation's military and economic portfolio in tatters.
I have a lot more to write tomorrow about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi]Deputy Prime Minister Chalabi,[/url] a man I once met and to whom I listened carefully at the offices of the New Republic some years ago.
But Chalabi's re-entry into Washington circles should be painful and embarrassing for him and his entourage.
More on this repugnant foe of American interests tomorrow.
Why should anyone want to stop this appearance? Let the public see this Iranian asset, swindler, and liar in his natural habitat. Besides, as the old saw goes, doesn't the criminal always return to the scene of the crime?
2005-11-04 16:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Why should anyone want to stop this appearance? Let the public see this Iranian asset, swindler, and liar in his natural habitat. Besides, as the old saw goes, doesn't the criminal always return to the scene of the crime?[/QUOTE]And the dog returns to his vomit, yes.
Seriously, though, this is galling. When questioned by American reporters who wondered how he could have any credibility after having given false information to the USA to help the neocons get their war, Chalabi basically said, reading between the lines, "so, what are you going to do about it? I got what I wanted, so screw you".
If Americans had any spine left at all they'd greet this swindler and crook in the proper fashion: with rotten eggs, followed by a good old fashioned tarring and feathering.
The supine way in which we let this snake slither back into the District of Corruption is all the proof I need that the Libby indictment is not going to lead anywhere important. Unfortunately.
2005-11-06 15:50 | User Profile
No Bush-Chalabi meeting: White House Published: 11/5/2005
MAR DEL PLATA - Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi will not meet with US President George W. Bush during a trip to Washington late this month, the White House said Saturday.
"As campaigns for the December 15 elections are now underway, the president will not be meeting with visiting Iraqi candidates until the election is over," said Fred Jones, spokesman for Bush's national security council.
Chalabi, who assumed a top post in Iraq's new government after earlier falling from grace in the United States, will meet with US Treasury Secretary John Snow and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, he said.
"Visiting officials will of course meet with their appropriate counterparts," Jones said as Bush attended the 34-nation Summit of the Americas here ahead of stops in Brazil and Panama.
US officials say Chalabi is a "viable" candidate for prime minister of Iraq in the upcoming elections. It was not clear whether he would meet with national security adviser Stephen Hadley.
Chalabi, who vehemently opposed the regime of Saddam Hussein from exile, was once a Pentagon favorite who provided volunteers for the embryo of an Iraqi force during the 2003 US-led invasion.
But he fell out of US favor amid charges last year that he traded US intelligence to Iran. He also faces a jail sentence handed down in absentia by a Jordanian court for embezzling bank funds in 1992.
Chalabi bounced back as a faction leader in the United Iraqi Alliance, the biggest bloc in the Iraqi assembly elected in January. In addition to serving as deputy prime minister, he has temporarily taken over the key oil portfolio.
11/05/2005 16:25 GMT [url]http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=77991[/url] ===================== I guess someone with the Bush Administration pulled his head out of his backside long enough to figure that this wouldn't look too good, considering Chalabi's dealings with Iran and that code business. The Wall Street Journal won't be happy.