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Thread ID: 20788 | Posts: 27 | Started: 2005-10-28
2005-10-28 12:28 | User Profile
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told a group of Spanish-speaking voters he opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants and defended his veto of a bill that would have granted driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
The governor, who has sometimes angered Hispanic interest groups with his comments on illegal immigration, said an amnesty program similar to the one the federal government undertook in the late 1980s would be ill-advised today.
"It just didn't work," Schwarzenegger said Tuesday. "It backfired big-time. It sent the wrong message: You come here illegally, and then we go and give you amnesty. So then, the next million come and they say, 'Hey, we get amnesty, this is really terrific.'"
Schwarzenegger was addressing the group at a studio of Spanish-language Univision television network, trying to drum up support for his special election campaign. Instead, he found himself fielding questions about illegal immigration.
Schwarzenegger said he favors a guest-worker program in which immigrant laborers could obtain work permits.
"Look, I'm an immigrant, so I know what it is like to dream about coming to America and then to get here and be able to make your dreams a reality," Schwarzenegger said. "Of course, there are millions of people who want to come here. Let's help them, let's find a legal way to do it."
He said the driver's license issue falls under federal jurisdiction because of homeland security requirements that have yet to be implemented at the state level.
"We can debate over this issue about what to do about the driver's license from here to eternity," Schwarzenegger said. "The bottom line is what we really need to do is work on the problem. What do we do with the undocumented immigrant? What do we do with the people who want to come to the United States? What do we do with employers who need workers from Mexico?"
The state's 12 million Hispanics are about a third of the population. Schwarzenegger won 32 percent of the Hispanic vote in the 2003 recall of Gov. Gray Davis that placed him in office, but his popularity has tumbled in recent months among Democrats and independents. Recent polls show only about 17 percent of Hispanics approve of his job performance.
Schwarzenegger's appearance Tuesday was to promote his campaign for passage of four ballot measures on the Nov. 8 ballot: a cap on state spending, a plan for redrawing legislative and congressional districts, longer probationary periods for new school teachers and restrictions on the use of union dues for political purposes.
[url]http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-schwarzenegger-hispanics,0,4967441.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines[/url]
2005-10-28 14:35 | User Profile
God Bless Him. Arnold has brass balls, uncommon in a politician.
2005-10-29 03:28 | User Profile
Schwarzenegger is a yes-sayer.
It is an obvious example of that which is detested. The most unmanly of men.
The once ââ¬ËDrug-Kingââ¬â¢ of bodybuilding. The worst actor in Hollywood apart from little Stallone. Simple-minded and half-witted.
It is not American. It is not European. It proclaims itself an immigrant - proudly in its nonsense of thought.
It belongs 300 meters under the Atlantic Ocean with the other fish.
Mentzer
2005-10-29 12:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Schwarzenegger is a yes-sayer.
It is an obvious example of that which is detested. The most unmanly of men.
The once ‘Drug-King’ of bodybuilding. The worst actor in Hollywood apart from little Stallone. Simple-minded and half-witted.
It is not American. It is not European. It proclaims itself an immigrant - proudly in its nonsense of thought.
It belongs 300 meters under the Atlantic Ocean with the other fish.
Mentzer[/QUOTE]
I would dearly love to see you say those things to Schwarzenegger's face! LOL! :cool: Get real, Mentzer!
2005-10-29 12:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer] The most unmanly of men.
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You're not suggesting Arnold's a [I]girly-man [/I]are you?
2005-10-29 17:14 | User Profile
[quote=OPERA96]God Bless Him. Arnold has brass balls, uncommon in a politician.
:flex::thumbsup: I wish we had more like him.
2005-10-31 15:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"It just didn't work," Schwarzenegger said Tuesday. "It backfired big-time. It sent the wrong message: You come here illegally, and then we go and give you amnesty. So then, the next million come and they say, 'Hey, we get amnesty, this is really terrific.'" [/QUOTE] Say that in front of LaRAZA, and LULAC plus wants to bust up the employee's unions lock on government sector jobs, eliminate the outragous pension theft, and reign in the teachers unions. Absolutely my kind of guy.
2005-10-31 16:38 | User Profile
And the idiot liberal whites are making common cause with feinsweins and mexishits of this world. All more or less sane people who aren't kept here by high-tech job market have moved to other states.
2005-10-31 22:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]I would dearly love to see you say those things to Schwarzenegger's face! LOL! :cool: Get real, Mentzer![/QUOTE]
I would ââ¬Ëdearly loveââ¬â¢ to do so. And I explain it this way:
He left his country. A country of history and meaning. A country of good breeding and correct behaviour. A country that provides for its people all that is needed. Yet, he has demeaned it.
Sometimes he loves his departed father - sometimes he expresses hatred. It all depends who is listening. Those that give attention to his ramblings. And his father was more of a man than he could ever emulate.
His ambition is notorious. His self-seeking and self-indulgence and self-promotion is the result of a motherââ¬â¢s pampering. In his American political speeches he refers to himself as an immigrant and extols the virtues of such. And thus he exposes himself as an ignorant fool. And thus he is regarded as such among many of my people.
There exist many superior to Fake Arnold in his Homeland and more so to the north of Austria. A man of average physical ability but below average mental agility. Perhaps some Americans like his sort of falsehood. But he is nothing more than a confused actor. A mere pretender within the pretentiousness of worthless and child-like films.
Easily forgotten and easily dismissed.
He is no Ronald Reagan and he is no John Wayne. And never can be.
However, I care not what it is - this day, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow.
Mentzer
2005-11-02 00:33 | User Profile
It's great to see that in this case Arnold wasn't just catering to the audience in front of him. Good for him for saying what we all know to be true about the reasons for opposing illegal immigration.
2005-11-02 02:26 | User Profile
[quote=Mentzer]I would ââ¬Ëdearly loveââ¬â¢ to do so. And I explain it this way:
He left his country. A country of history and meaning. A country of good breeding and correct behaviour. A country that provides for its people all that is needed. Yet, he has demeaned it.
Sometimes he loves his departed father - sometimes he expresses hatred. It all depends who is listening. Those that give attention to his ramblings. And his father was more of a man than he could ever emulate.
His ambition is notorious. His self-seeking and self-indulgence and self-promotion is the result of a motherââ¬â¢s pampering. In his American political speeches he refers to himself as an immigrant and extols the virtues of such. And thus he exposes himself as an ignorant fool. And thus he is regarded as such among many of my people.
There exist many superior to Fake Arnold in his Homeland and more so to the north of Austria. A man of average physical ability but below average mental agility. Perhaps some Americans like his sort of falsehood. But he is nothing more than a confused actor. A mere pretender within the pretentiousness of worthless and child-like films.
Easily forgotten and easily dismissed.
He is no Ronald Reagan and he is no John Wayne. And never can be. Mentzer
Oh please, get over it.
While Ahnold will never be asked to redesign Mir, nor cure cancer, he has what the self-emasculated denizens of the has been nation, the testicularly shrunken "empire" called Austria lack: the drive testosterone provides.
Call him a crass opportunist if you like, that charge probably sticks, but his record physically (OK, steroid enhanced) of 5 Mr Olympia's takes some serious physical effort and sacrifice to achieve. So does running one's own contracting and construction business.
To take on Hollywood as a low to no talent actor, use a caricature of a personality to do it, and use nothing but bravado and luck to make a small fortune (as Stallone did) in the city of limp wristed, artiste, jagovs -- I refer to Hollywood in general -- that, dear myopic European critic that you are, is a bizarre success story.
Funnily enough, there is an eerie symmetry between his success story and that of a similarly low talent artist, a guy named Adolf Hitler, from Austria, pulled off under other bizarre circumstances and situations in somewhere other than . . . Austria, the land where ambition has gone to die since Sarajevo 1914.
He married into American "royalty" (the Kennedy clan) and kept finding ways to make his mark, both for better and worse. (Cue to Grateful Dead singing "What a long strange trip it's been." )
Given his limitations of intellect and his speech impediment, I'd say he's got to be pretty savvy to have gone as far as he has in the world of image and fast talking, slick operators: both in Hollywood and in politics.
Back "in the old country," where all that nice old world charm stifles initiative, he'd probably not have had a place to grow into such an odd personality and bizarre American "success" story.
Is he some Savior? Heck no, he's as much about image as substance, and probably as much a problem as a solution, like most of America's public figures.
But give the guy some credit for taking the bull by the horns, taking the lucky breaks and making the most of them, then trying to do some good (as he sees it, even if he hasn't quite got it all figured out) rather than making another pointless film.
AE
2005-11-02 21:58 | User Profile
I require you to be more precise. But only if you wish to be.
He adheres to the nonsense level of existence. He has, however, no speech impediment as you term it. German is his native and natural language. English merely his immigrant tongue.
A kid that indulged in lifting barbells, a pastime accepted by many American and European teenagers. No bad thing you might image: for a healthy body improves a normal brain. Yet it is now unhealthy due to Arnoldââ¬â¢s gulping and injecting. He is smart in the pimp-and-pusher sense of the word. And he has disappointed many. The spiv and conman often impress those easily fooled.
The ââ¬Ëold countryââ¬â¢ that your colloquialism makes mention, is modern and business-like. It is no backwater as you seem to suggest.
And would be even more so if others; in their greed, in their fear, in their envy, in their Hebrew fanaticism, had not imposed their vulture-like beak into events that did not concern them.
You can have Arnold. You can keep him. You can pamper and praise him - I care not.
It means nothing to me or my kind.
Mentzer
2005-11-03 00:59 | User Profile
[quote=Mentzer] He adheres to the nonsense level of existence. He has, however, no speech impediment as you term it. German is his native and natural language. English merely his immigrant tongue.
The ââ¬Ëold countryââ¬â¢ that your colloquialism makes mention, is modern and business-like. It is no backwater as you seem to suggest. Mentzer
The Governator does indeed have a speech impediment, that is not merely a German accent. I am very familiar with the German accent on English, having lived in Germany for 6 years, and having worked with considerable number of Germans. Ahnold had a hearing problem when he was young that influenced his ability to learn how to speak. That doesn't make him stupid, it just makes him talk funny.
Compare and contrast another German actor, Rutger Hauer, who has a smooth and even delivery, and a mild accent, though he is a native German speaker.
The old country has all the vitality of a 13 year old dachshund.
AE
2005-11-03 02:43 | User Profile
You were allowed to live in my country - for 'six years'?
And who gave you permission? And what was your purpose?
I may not doubt your veracity. I may not doubt your will to comply.
However, do not comment on my place unless you fully explain your reason for being in Germany.
No one, regardless, will place their worthless, ineffective and unclean boot upon my land.
Inform me of your experience. Inform me of your reasoning.
Mentzer
2005-11-03 04:38 | User Profile
I'm no big fan of Arnold in general, but he's certainly right about this amnesty issue.
2005-11-03 12:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]I would ‘dearly love’ to do so. And I explain it this way:
He left his country. A country of history and meaning. A country of good breeding and correct behaviour. A country that provides for its people all that is needed. Yet, he has demeaned it.
Sometimes he loves his departed father - sometimes he expresses hatred. It all depends who is listening. Those that give attention to his ramblings. And his father was more of a man than he could ever emulate.
His ambition is notorious. His self-seeking and self-indulgence and self-promotion is the result of a mother’s pampering. In his American political speeches he refers to himself as an immigrant and extols the virtues of such. And thus he exposes himself as an ignorant fool. And thus he is regarded as such among many of my people.
There exist many superior to Fake Arnold in his Homeland and more so to the north of Austria. A man of average physical ability but below average mental agility. Perhaps some Americans like his sort of falsehood. But he is nothing more than a confused actor. A mere pretender within the pretentiousness of worthless and child-like films.
Easily forgotten and easily dismissed.
He is no Ronald Reagan and he is no John Wayne. And never can be.
However, I care not what it is - this day, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow.
Mentzer[/QUOTE]
Have you ever thought of changing your nick to 'Grumpy'? :whstl:
2005-11-04 03:25 | User Profile
[quote=Mentzer]You were allowed to live in my country - for 'six years'?
And who gave you permission? And what was your purpose?
I may not doubt your veracity. I may not doubt your will to comply.
However, do not comment on my place unless you fully explain your reason for being in Germany.
No one, regardless, will place their worthless, ineffective and unclean boot upon my land.
Inform me of your experience. Inform me of your reasoning.
Mentzer
Germany is still occupied by some of the people who conquered it: Americans, Brits, and French. Deal with that strange, yet true, fact. That is why I was there.
Oh, I like Germany, it was Austria I was slamming, having been there and found the atmosphere stultifying, the skiing excellent, and the food indifferent. Austria: one of the great Has Been nations of Europe.
AE
2005-11-04 21:16 | User Profile
at least he has the political balls to say it.
2005-11-05 00:30 | User Profile
[quote=Mentzer]He is no Ronald Reagan and he is no John Wayne. And never can be. Perhaps he has set his sights a little higher.
2005-11-05 03:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Germany is still occupied by some of the people who conquered it: Americans, Brits, and French. Deal with that strange, yet true, fact. That is why I was there.
Oh, I like Germany, it was Austria I was slamming, having been there and found the atmosphere stultifying, the skiing excellent, and the food indifferent. Austria: one of the great Has Been nations of Europe.
AE[/QUOTE]
I control my laughter.
I consider your provocation as I would a childââ¬â¢s drawing.
You live in a wasteland of weak pretension and ugly violence. Be that America, Britain, Australia, or at this moment, France.
The political and racial elemental mixtures - do not blend. It is a false imposition. An evil deliverance.
But then you deserve what you reap. And I consider you no less than a fool in your posting towards me.
Understand the meaning.
Mentzer
2005-11-05 03:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Have you ever thought of changing your nick to 'Grumpy'? :whstl:[/QUOTE]
Incorrect.
If you feel the need to associate with false actors: then you fail.
I look to the life-enhancing. Not to the life-demeaning, economical greedy and exploitative.
Understand the meaning of existence and not that which despoils it.
Mentzer
2005-11-05 11:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]Incorrect.
If you feel the need to associate with false actors: then you fail.
I look to the life-enhancing. Not to the life-demeaning, economical greedy and exploitative.
Understand the meaning of existence and not that which despoils it.
Mentzer[/QUOTE]
Of course! :wink:
2005-11-05 16:06 | User Profile
[quote=Mentzer]I control my laughter.
I consider your provocation as I would a childââ¬â¢s drawing.
You live in a wasteland of weak pretension and ugly violence. Be that America, Britain, Australia, or at this moment, France.
The political and racial elemental mixtures - do not blend. It is a false imposition. An evil deliverance.
But then you deserve what you reap. And I consider you no less than a fool in your posting towards me.
Understand the meaning.
Mentzer
Yes, I suppose I am wasting my words/time on the terminally myopic. In two generations, the self emasculated "Europeans" will have lost the Battle of the Cradle. What you people need is more Mormons per capita. :lol:
Cheers.
AE
2005-11-05 16:45 | User Profile
I don't know what the heck is going on but pelase do kiss and make up, Gabby? muaaaaaaaaaaaaki, heheheheheheh I am not involved but do like kissing good looking women.
:gunsmilie <-------- Ponce dos pistolas.
2005-11-05 17:25 | User Profile
[quote=Ponce] :gunsmilie <-------- Ponce dos pistolas.
Hmm, is there an emoticon for "Ponce the dirty old man?" :lol: Chasing a young filly like Gabby around the forum like that, how brazen!
AE
2005-11-05 23:54 | User Profile
Can we stop this Anglo versus German sniping please? What is the point of it?
2005-11-06 05:47 | User Profile
[quote=RowdyRoddyPiper]Can we stop this Anglo versus German sniping please? What is the point of it?
I am done. Sorry to have not quit sooner.
AE