← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Angler
Thread ID: 20773 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2005-10-27
2005-10-27 09:29 | User Profile
*With all the high-sounding talk about "bringing freedom to Iraq," wouldn't it be nice if America were free, too? We could at least recognize our own Second Amendment, you know, so we wouldn't be the "United States of Hypocrisy."
I've read military folks say that full-auto fire in shoulder-fired, mag-fed weapons is a waste except perhaps at very close range, and my own non-combat experiences firing such weapons lead me to understand why; however, that's not the main point here. The issue is that the attitude of our illegitimate, unconstitutional government toward citizen gun ownership is that gun ownership is a limited privilege rather than a right. And since rights are something you take rather than ask for, I really wish these soldiers would have killed the federal agents who busted them. I'm not condemning them for not doing so, as I don't know what their situation was; I'm just saying that it would have been nice to see some federal pigs eat a few bullets for their treason to the Constitution. Every dead gun law enforcer is a step in the right direction.*
[url]http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1198733.php[/url]
October 26, 2005 Soldiers sentenced for smuggling arms Associated Press
PADUCAH, Kentucky ââ¬â Two soldiers and an uncle of one of them were sentenced to between six months and five years in prison on federal charges of conspiring to import machine guns from Iraq and aiding and abetting the possession of a machine gun, federal prosecutors said.
Sgt. Nigel Brown, 31, and Sgt. Beau Uran, 25, were arrested after Brownââ¬â¢s uncle, Guy Anthony Brown, sold to an undercover federal agent machine guns the soldiers smuggled back from Iraq. The weapons had been hidden in the re-welded bases of oxygen tanks and shipped back to Fort Campbell in Kentucky.
Guy Anthony Brown on Monday was sentenced to five years in prison to be followed by three years of supervised release.
His nephew was sentenced to 2ý years in prison and two years supervised release. Uran, who authorities say cooperated in the investigation, was sentenced to six months in prison, followed by two years supervised release and six months home detention, the U.S. attorneyââ¬â¢s office said.
Authorities say the two soldiers sent back to the United States 17 Russian-made AK-47s and a Chinese copy of the assault rifle.
2005-10-27 16:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Authorities say the two soldiers sent back to the United States 17 Russian-made AK-47s and a Chinese copy of the assault rifle.[/QUOTE] Bad Choice. They could have purchased these same guns legally here in Arizona.
2005-10-27 19:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]...I'm just saying that it would have been nice to see some federal pigs eat a few bullets for their treason to the Constitution. Every dead gun law enforcer is a step in the right direction. [/QUOTE]
If I were you, Angler, I'd choose my words a bit more carefully. Remember, these forums are read by a HUGE number of people - including federal law enforcement. If he wanted, Big Brother could easily construe your statement as a call to assassinate federal officials. That is not, of course, what you are doing and you would probably not be convicted if you were charged with that crime. Convicted or not though, your life would be a living ( and expensive ) hell for a long time.
2005-10-27 19:30 | User Profile
You got it Opera, a good example of this would be if someone were to say "Kill all the danmed Jews in the US" he would be considered to be a "terrorist" therefore even I would not dare say something like this, yeap the good old US of A is no longer a "free" nation.
2005-10-28 00:17 | User Profile
General Order Number One in Iraq, hell, in the entire CENTCOM AOR, includes an explicit provision that looting, appropriating, and then taking home fire arms is prohibited. If the soldiers violated General Order Number One in a combat zone, they wilfully ran afoul of a legal order. Their bad. Their uncle I won't comment on.
In harmony with your other comments, however, I was dismayed in 2003 during the early aftermath of "major Combat Operations" when I heard that rifles were being routinely confiscated from Iraqi's. Exporting freedom, American style, does not include Second Ammendment concepts? When I was in theatre in 2004, it still made less sense to me to make the entirety of the citizenry beholden to a government that was easily depicted as puppets of a foreign power by anyone with even modest propaganda skills.
Bad, foul, and screwed up beyond all repair in terms of being credible with the average guy living in Iraq, regardless of his Shiite, Kurd, Sunni, or other background.
Your hypocrisy observation scores a 10/10 on the free citizens versus subjects score, Angler.
AE
[quote=Angler][I]With all the high-sounding talk about "bringing freedom to Iraq," [/I]Authorities say the two soldiers sent back to the United States 17 Russian-made AK-47s and a Chinese copy of the assault rifle.
2005-10-28 10:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]If I were you, Angler, I'd choose my words a bit more carefully. Remember, these forums are read by a HUGE number of people - including federal law enforcement. If he wanted, Big Brother could easily construe your statement as a call to assassinate federal officials. That is not, of course, what you are doing and you would probably not be convicted if you were charged with that crime. Convicted or not though, your life would be a living ( and expensive ) hell for a long time.[/QUOTE] I appreciate your concern (honestly -- no sarcasm intended), but federal law enforcement agents can all go f_ck themselves. I'm not afraid of those cowards. I'm not planning on going out and shooting anyone, but if those enemies of the Constitution ever try to put me in one of their prisons (rape rooms) for whatever reason, I'll consider it a privilege and an honor to kill as many of them as possible before they kill me (through sheer force of numbers, like the cowards they are). And I'm very well-equipped to do just that.
We citizens should never bow to our government out of fear.
2005-10-28 11:17 | User Profile
Angler,
I'm sure you've heard of the 'Firearms Manufacturers Protection Bill'. Vote Smart's synopsis: "[I]Vote to pass a bill that provides liability protection for manufacturers, dealers or importers of firearms or ammunition products, as well as their trade associations, for harm caused by criminal or unlawful misuse." [/I]Both the Senate and Congress voted to pass it. At Vote Smart I saw that Ron Paul voted against it. Isn't that strange, as the NRA has touted it as a great victory for the RKBA? Maybe not so strange... check out some of Vote Smart's highlights of the bill, most tellingly the fourth in the list:
Exempts lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempts lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Calls for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
[B]Prohibits the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations[/B]
Requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices (S AMDT 1626: Adopted: 70-30. Record Vote number: 207)
[URL="http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3597"]http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3597[/URL]
This is a "pro-gun" bill that Diane Feinstein could love! 15 years in prison for armor piercing ammo? (Obviously, this doesn't apply to the government, favored corporations, military, wealthy, etc...) Good to see the NRA and Republican Party are so vigilant to defend our rights... :furious: