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Thread ID: 20764 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2005-10-26
2005-10-26 20:34 | User Profile
[I]Why would the government care if the prison population grows? After all, prisons provide cheap labor. And the average American doesnââ¬â¢t care either, because they benefit from it too (unless one has a preference for expensive license plates).[/I]
[B]ADVANCED FOR RELEASE AT 4:30 P.M. EDT[/B] [B]SUNDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2005[/B]
[B][URL="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/p04pr.htm"]THE NATION'S PRISON POPULATION CONTINUES ITS SLOW GROWTH[/URL][/B] [B]Up 1.9 Percent Last Year[/B]
WASHINGTON - The number of prisoners in the United States rose 1.9 percent during 2004, the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. This was lower than the average annual rate of growth during the last decade (3.2 percent) and just below the growth rate in 2003 (2.0 percent).
The number of inmates under state jurisdiction increased by 20,759 inmates (1.6 percent) and the number under federal jurisdiction by 7,269 (4.2 percent). The total increase in the number of inmates in 2004 was nearly identical to 2003 and about 8,000 fewer than in 2002.
As of December 31, 2004, there were 2,267,787 people behind bars in the United States, of which 1,421,911 were held in federal and state prisons (not including the 74,378 state and federal inmates incarcerated in local jails), 713,990 in local jails, 102,338 in juvenile facilities, 15,757 in U.S. Territory prisons, 9,788 in Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities, 2,177 in military prisons and 1,826 in Indian country jails (as of June 30, 2003).
The Federal Bureau of Prisons operated the largest prison system at year-end 2004 (180,328 inmates), followed by Texas (168,105), California (166,556), Florida (85,533), and New York (63,751).
Ten states reported population increases of at least 5 percent during 2004. Minnesota led the nation with 11.4 percent growth, followed by Idaho (up 11.1 percent) and Georgia (up 8.3 percent). Eleven states experienced declines, led by Alabama (down 7.3 percent), followed by Rhode Island (down 2.8 percent) and New York (down 2.2 percent).
The nation's incarceration rate rose from 411 sentenced inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1995 to 486 inmates per 100,000 at the end of last year - an 18 percent increase. (A "sentenced" prisoner is an inmate serving a sentence of more than a year.)
The states with the highest incarceration rates in 2004 were Louisiana (816 sentenced prisoners per 100,000 state residents), Texas (694), Mississippi (669), Oklahoma (649) and Georgia (574). The states with the lowest incarceration rates were Maine (148 sentenced inmates per 100,000 state residents), Minnesota (171), Rhode Island (175), New Hampshire (187) and North Dakota (195).
On December 31, 2004, 24 state prison systems were operating at or above their highest capacity. The federal system was 40 percent over capacity.
At the end of last year 98,901 prisoners were held in privately operated facilities (6.6 percent of all inmates). New Mexico had the highest percentage, 42 percent, followed by Alaska, 31 percent and Montana, 30 percent.
Half of state prison inmates were serving time for violent crimes, 20 percent for property crimes and 21 percent for drug crimes. Females were more likely to be in prison for a drug offense (32 percent) than were males (21 percent). Males were more likely to be in prison for a violent offense (52 percent) than were females (33 percent).
As of December 31, 2004, 104,848 women were held in state and federal prisons - up from 68,468 in 1995. Women constituted 7.0 percent of all inmates - up from 6.1 percent in 1995.
About 8.4 percent of all black male U.S. residents between 25 and 29 years old were in a state or federal prison in 2004, compared to 2.5 percent of Hispanic males in the same age group and 1.2 percent of white males. Among male and female prisoners combined, 41 percent were black, 34 percent were white, 19 percent Hispanic and the rest were other races or two or more races.
The report, "Prisoners in 2004" (NCJ-210677) was written by BJS statisticians Paige M. Harrison and Allen J. Beck. Following publication, the report can be found at: [url]www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/p04.htm[/url]
For additional information about the Bureau of Justice Statistics statistical reports programs, please visit the BJS website at: [url]www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs[/url].
The Office of Justice Programs provides federal leadership in developing the nation's capacity to prevent and control crime, administer justice, and assist victims. OJP is headed by an Assistant Attorney General and comprises five component bureaus and two offices: the Bureau of Justice Assistance; the Bureau of Justice Statistics; the National Institute of Justice; the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention; and the Office for Victims of Crime, as well as the Office of the Police Corps and Law Enforcement Education and the Community Capacity Development Office, which incorporates the Weed and Seed strategy and OJP's American Indian and Alaska Native Affairs Desk. More information can be found at [url]www.ojp.usdoj.gov[/url].
2005-10-26 20:36 | User Profile
[quote=kminta][I]Why would the government care if the prison population grows? After all, prisons provide cheap labor. And the average American doesnââ¬â¢t care either, because they benefit from it too (unless one has a preference for expensive license plates).[/I]
it's just background noise for us.
2005-10-26 20:41 | User Profile
Black birth rate up + increased non White third world immigration = High crime = greater numbers of inmates. It's a "no brainer".
2005-10-28 03:02 | User Profile
San Bernardino county, CA is doing something about it...
Let em out? Brilliant:cheers: !!!
[URL="http://dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3151273"]http://dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3151273[/URL]
2005-11-02 20:02 | User Profile
maybe if our country decriminalized certain things, the prison population wouldnt be growing.
oh wait, it's cheap labor for us and easy money for the prison construction/security industry. I forgot. :mad:
2005-11-02 20:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The states with the highest incarceration rates in 2004 were Louisiana (816 sentenced prisoners per 100,000 state residents), Texas (694), Mississippi (669), Oklahoma (649) and Georgia (574). The states with the lowest incarceration rates were Maine (148 sentenced inmates per 100,000 state residents), Minnesota (171), Rhode Island (175), New Hampshire (187) and North Dakota (195).[/QUOTE]
Oooo, how politically incorrect! How dare 90-95% White states have such small incarceration rates! Looooosana's poor black folks need our help because White folks keep 'em down or locked up! I'm calling my Congressman!
Ooops, I thought I was on DailyKos for a second.
2005-11-02 20:37 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese]maybe if our country decriminalized certain things, the prison population wouldnt be growing. Such as murder? Rape? Aggravated assault? Black incarceration rates certainly [I]would[/I] plummet if we legalized these activities.
2005-11-02 21:17 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]Such as murder? Rape? Aggravated assault? Black incarceration rates certainly [I]would[/I] plummet if we legalized these activities.
certainly im not advocating violent crimes, come on.
alternative penalties for drug users (not dealers or distributors) that would allow them to stay out of jail would be a start.
just my $.02. If I were a member of the prison construction/security industry, I would want as many incarcerated as possible.
2005-11-02 21:26 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese]certainly im not advocating violent crimes, come on.
alternative penalties for drug users (not dealers or distributors) that would allow them to stay out of jail would be a start.
just my $.02. If I were a member of the prison construction/security industry, I would want as many incarcerated as possible. I admit that my tongue was slightly in my cheek during my last post. I actually agree that non-violent drug crimes (particularly for such relatively harmless stuff as marijuana) should not be punished by incarceration, but by treatment, fines, community service, etc. In fact, I think the current state of prisons in America is deplorable, particularly the epidemic of male rape that constitutes an affront to basic human decency.
2005-11-02 22:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"By putting these felons back on the street, it's reasonable to assume the crime rate will increase," Assistant District Attorney Mike Risley said."[/QUOTE] Yeah no kidding. The San Berdoo area used to be quite nice, back when I was a kid. The dirty little secret they don't print is that if you were to track crime increases and also plot the demographic changes....perfect positive correlation. Hi Ho.
2005-11-03 18:40 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]I admit that my tongue was slightly in my cheek during my last post. I actually agree that non-violent drug crimes (particularly for such relatively harmless stuff as marijuana) should not be punished by incarceration, but by treatment, fines, community service, etc. In fact, I think the current state of prisons in America is deplorable, particularly the epidemic of male rape that constitutes an affront to basic human decency.
non-violent drug crimes are a huge drain on our legal and penal system resources. im not saying let them go free, but let's just give them treatment options, a fine, and call it a day....
i dont know much about the current state of prisons, but agree with the male rape issue. Then again, prison shouldnt be luxurious.
2005-11-03 18:50 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese] i dont know much about the current state of prisons, but agree with the male rape issue. Then again, prison shouldnt be luxurious. Safety from being brutally gang-raped into unconsciousness by a gang of black men is not exactly a 'luxury.' It seems like basic human decency to me.
2005-11-03 21:03 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]Safety from being brutally gang-raped into unconsciousness by a gang of black men is not exactly a 'luxury.' It seems like basic human decency to me.
did you read my response? I said I "agree with the male rape issue."
That means, i agree with what you said.
In no way did my previous post equate protection from male rape with luxury.
p.s. I doubt the only men raping other men in prison are blacks. I also doubt the only men gang-raping other men in prison are blacks.
2005-11-03 21:28 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese]did you read my response? I said I "agree with the male rape issue."
That means, i agree with what you said.
In no way did my previous post equate protection from male rape with luxury. Actually, you stated -- [quote=BaconEggCheese]i dont know much about the current state of prisons, but agree with the male rape issue. [B]Then again[/B], prison shouldnt be luxurious. The clause 'then again' sounds very much to me like it is qualifying your agreement on the male rape issue. It that was not your intention, then I apologize for my misunderstanding, although I think your phrasing made such misunderstanding likely.
[quote=BaconEggCheese] p.s. I doubt the only men raping other men in prison are blacks. I also doubt the only men gang-raping other men in prison are blacks. No, I'm sure blacks aren't the only rapists in prison. They are just the vast majority, and they specifically target whites. The California state penal system, in fact, had a policy of racially segregating new prisoners for two or three months, which was specifically designed to protect the white prisoners from the predations of the black population. They abandoned this policy only when the Supreme Court ruled it [I]unconstitutional[/I]. Human Rights Watch issued a report on this very topic called 'No Escape: Male Rape in U.S. Prisons' which I'm sure you could Google up.
Also, here is an earlier thread that is germane -- [URL="http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18941"]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18941[/URL]
2005-11-03 21:49 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill] No, I'm sure blacks aren't the only rapists in prison. They are just the vast majority, and they specifically target whites. The California state penal system, in fact, had a policy of racially segregating new prisoners for two or three months, which was specifically designed to protect the white prisoners from the predations of the black population.
i can understand the misunderstanding with the "then again" phrasing. That did make my sentence imply a connection.
As for black male rape: 1. where is the evidence they specifically target whites? 2. Just because California racially segregated prisoners doesnt mean it was because of the potential for rape, it was probably to protect them from race violence/grouping within prison.
2005-11-03 21:55 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese] As for black male rape: 1. where is the evidence they specifically target whites?
The report by Human Rights Watch specifically concludes that blacks were more likely to rape, and that they targeted whites. [URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/"]http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/[/URL]
[quote=BaconEggCheese]2. Just because California racially segregated prisoners doesnt mean it was because of the potential for rape, it was probably to protect them from race violence/grouping within prison. Racially-targeted rape [I]is[/I] 'race violence'. I'm not sure exactly why you are so determined to believe in exactly equal rape rates by race, but you need to face facts. Blacks rape more outside prison, and they rape more inside prison. It's not rocket science, really.
2005-11-03 22:01 | User Profile
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]BEC, Here is an except from the Human Rights Watch report. [/SIZE][/FONT]> [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=#404040]Past studies have documented the [B]prevalence of black on white sexual aggression in prison[/B].[URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#N_213_"](213)[/URL] [B]These findings are further confirmed by Human Rights Watch's own research[/B]. Overall, our correspondence and interviews with white, black, and Hispanic inmates convince us that [B]white inmates are disproportionately targeted[/B] for abuse.[URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#N_214_"](214)[/URL] Although many whites reported being raped by white inmates, black on white abuse appears to be more common. To a much lesser extent, non-Hispanic whites also reported being victimized by Hispanic inmates.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=#404040]Other than sexual abuse of white inmates by African Americans, and, less frequently, Hispanics, interracial and interethnic sexual abuse appears to be much less common than sexual abuse committed by persons of one race or ethnicity against members of that same group. In other words, African Americans typically face sexual abuse at the hands of other African Americans, and Hispanics at the hands of other Hispanics. Some inmates told Human Rights Watch that this pattern reflected an inmate rule, one that was strictly enforced: "only a black can turn out [rape] a black, and only a chicano can turn out a chicano."[URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#N_215_"](215)[/URL] Breaking this rule by sexually abusing someone of another race or ethnicity, with the exception of a white inmate, could lead to racial or ethnic unrest, as other members of the victim's group would retaliate against the perpetrator's group. A Texas inmate explained, for example: "The Mexicans--indeed all latinos, [U]nobody[/U] outside their race can 'check' one without permission from the town that, that person is from. If a black dude were to check a mexican w/out such permission & the mexican stays down & fights back, a riot will take place."[URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#N_216_"](216)[/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
2005-11-03 22:03 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]Blacks rape more outside prison, and they rape more inside prison. It's not rocket science, really.
Yes. But I'd be willing to bet my left arm that for the most part, their grandparents were nearly 100% better behaved. Under segregation, they feared the white man and his God. Today, they fear nothing.
2005-11-03 22:06 | User Profile
[quote=Hamilton]Yes. But I'd be willing to bet my left arm that for the most part, their grandparents were nearly 100% better behaved. Under segregation, they feared the white man and his God. Today, they fear nothing. Quite right, Hamilton. It brings to mind the line from Joseph de Maistre -- "Civilization rests upon the hangman."
2005-11-03 23:03 | User Profile
[quote=BaconEggCheese]i can understand the misunderstanding with the "then again" phrasing. That did make my sentence imply a connection.
As for black male rape: 1. where is the evidence they specifically target whites? 2. Just because California racially segregated prisoners doesnt mean it was because of the potential for rape, it was probably to protect them from race violence/grouping within prison.
Darkies will screw anything---even a knothole. Why do you think black college students have an estimated aids rate of 12 to 14 times that of White college students...even by black sources. The CDC estimates blacks in general have an aids rate 7 times that of Whites.
2005-11-04 01:32 | User Profile
[quote=Hamilton]Yes. But I'd be willing to bet my left arm that for the most part, their grandparents were nearly 100% better behaved. Under segregation, they feared the white man and his God. Today, they fear nothing.
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2005-11-04 02:56 | User Profile
Why would the government care if the prison population grows? After all, prisons provide cheap labor. And the average American doesnââ¬â¢t care either, because they benefit from it too (unless one has a preference for expensive license plates).
Are you suggesting that prisons are profitable to the tax payer? I don't think so. Those license plates are [I]very[/I] expensive.
2005-11-04 16:31 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill][URL="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/"][/URL]Racially-targeted rape [I]is[/I] 'race violence'. I'm not sure exactly why you are so determined to believe in exactly equal rape rates by race, but you need to face facts. Blacks rape more outside prison, and they rape more inside prison. It's not rocket science, really.
im not determined to ignore facts or believe in equal (exactly or otherwise) rape rates by race. thanks for posting the HRW link.
2005-11-04 16:34 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]Quite right, Hamilton. It brings to mind the line from Joseph de Maistre -- "Civilization rests upon the hangman."
That is an excellent quote, and pretty well sums up my view. Might I ask where Maistre writes that? He certainly made some interesting contributions. I am also intrigued by his view that breakaway churches will eventually return to the Papal fold.
2005-11-04 16:58 | User Profile
[quote=Hamilton]That is an excellent quote, and pretty well sums up my view. Might I ask where Maistre writes that? He certainly made some interesting contributions. I am also intrigued by his view that breakaway churches will eventually return to the Papal fold. Hamilton, The source of the quote escapes me at the moment, I'm afraid. I do enjoy de Maistre, though. You may find this compilation interesting -- [URL="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932236252/qid=1131123443/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7744886-0822263?v=glance&s=books&n=507846"]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932236252/qid=1131123443/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7744886-0822263?v=glance&s=books&n=507846[/URL]
2005-11-04 21:47 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]Hamilton, The source of the quote escapes me at the moment, I'm afraid. No problem. I was feeling ignorant there for a moment. On Google I could find few mentions of the quote other than from you and Thomas Fleming. I tried some variations, but to little avail. I think the quote is basically legit, just the phrasing is probably a little off.
I do enjoy de Maistre, though. You may find this compilation interesting -- [URL="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932236252/qid=1131123443/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7744886-0822263?v=glance&s=books&n=507846"]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932236252/qid=1131123443/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7744886-0822263?v=glance&s=books&n=507846[/URL]
Same here, and thanks for the reference. I've always been more drawn to the supposedly pass[SIZE=-1]é[/SIZE] 'throne and altar' conservatives than the 'modern' and 'rational' Burkeans with whom liberals say they can find common ground.
2005-11-04 22:24 | User Profile
" A civilization is judged by the way that they treat their prisoners"..
Did you guys know that per capita ratio wise the US has more people in prison than anyone else in the WHOLEEEEEE world?, [U]prison is nothing more than a "garbage" disposal that we use to throw away people.[/U]
2005-11-05 00:12 | User Profile
[quote=Hamilton] Same here, and thanks for the reference. I've always been more drawn to the supposedly pass[SIZE=-1]é[/SIZE] 'throne and altar' conservatives than the 'modern' and 'rational' Burkeans with whom liberals say they can find common ground. My feelings, exactly. Classical liberalism may appear conservative from a 20th century viewpoint, but it is based upon the acceptance of many of the underlying assumptions that have lead inexorably toward our current predicament.
2005-11-05 19:05 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]My feelings, exactly. Classical liberalism may appear conservative from a 20th century viewpoint, but it is based upon the acceptance of many of the underlying assumptions that have lead inexorably toward our current predicament.
Yes. That liberals can find common ground with other liberals shouldn't surprise anyone. "Throne and Altar" conservatism strikes me as the only real solution to our predicament.
2005-11-05 19:07 | User Profile
Interesting image, Ralph Kane. Experience teaches that for the most part, the Children of Ham can only understand force.
2005-11-05 23:03 | User Profile
I just had a thought while mulling this subject.
Black people are [B]much[/B] better behaved when guided by a stern hand. Without guidance, they're hopeless beasts. It's like the difference between night and day! Could this be a living metaphor for the human need for God? Perhaps a kind of cosmic warning to all Mankind, imparted by the Almighty? Of all explanations for black failure, none makes so much sense as the Curse of Ham, discussed in the Bible ([SIZE=-1]Gen 9:20-27).
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2005-11-06 05:31 | User Profile
I've heard that a third of those locked up in federal prison are illegal aliens that have committed crimes, mostly violent, other than crossing the border.
2005-11-07 00:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hamilton]Black people are [B]much[/B] better behaved when guided by a stern hand. Without guidance, they're hopeless beasts. [/QUOTE]
as a race, blacks still get screwed in our legal system.
2005-11-07 01:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BaconEggCheese]as a race, blacks still get screwed in our legal system.[/QUOTE]
Good Lord, how do they get "screwed"?