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Thread ID: 20738 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2005-10-24
2005-10-24 18:53 | User Profile
[I]This is the reason why really important issues are so rarely brought into open, public referendums - globalist elitist scum is (quite justifiably) afraid that vulgar herds may reject their precious social engineering schemes. Death to EU, btw. [/I]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/10/23/brazil.gun.referendum.ap/index.html[/url] [FONT="Arial"] [SIZE="5"] Brazilians reject ban on gun sales[/SIZE][B]
Monday, October 24, 2005; Posted: 9:27 a.m. EDT (13:27 GMT)[/B]
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Brazilians struck down a proposal to ban the sale of guns in a national referendum, rejecting a bid to stem one of the world's highest firearm murder rates in a debate that mirrored the gun control battle in the United States.
Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, but a staggering 25 percent more gun deaths at nearly 40,000 a year.
While supporters argued gun control was the best way to stop the violence, opponents played on Brazilians' fears that the police can't protect them in the campaign leading up to Sunday's vote. [B] "I don't like people walking around armed on the street. But since all the bandits have guns, you need to have a gun at home," said taxi driver Mohammed Osei, who voted against the ban.[/B]
With more than 92 percent of the votes counted, 64 percent of Brazilians opposed the ban, while 36 percent backed it, said election officials, giving the "no" position an insurmountable lead.
The proposal would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition except for police, the military, some security guards, gun collectors and sports shooters. It would complement a 2003 disarmament law that sharply restricts who can legally purchase firearms and carry guns in the street.
That law, coupled with a government-sponsored gun buyback program, has reduced deaths from firearms by about 8 percent this year, the Health Ministry said.
[B]But the referendum backfired for proponents. Earlier this year, support for the ban was running as high as 80 percent. But in the weeks before the vote, both sides got free time to present their cases on prime-time TV, and the pro-gun lobby began to gain traction.[/B]
Analysts said the pro-gun lobby benefited from equal time on television in the final weeks of the campaign and that they cannily cashed in on Brazilian skepticism of the police.
[B][U]"They ask the question: 'Do you feel protected and do you think the government is protecting you?' and the answer is a violent no," said political scientist David Fleischer of the University of Brasilia.[/U][/B]
[B] Campaign echoed U.S. gun debate[/B]
The combination of Brazil's high gun-death rate and the nature of the debate over the right to gun ownership has echoed the gun debate in the United States.
"The whole campaign [against the ban] was imported from the United States. They just translated a lot of material from the NRA," said Jessica Galeria, a Californian who researches gun violence with the Viva Rio think tank, referring to the National Rifle Association. "Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms. They don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution."
[B]NRA public affairs director Andrew Arulanandam called the proposal's defeat "a victory for freedom."
"It's a stunning defeat for the global gun control movement. They poured millions of dollars and millions more man hours trying to enact this gun ban, and they failed. The aim of this gun ban movement was to use Brazil as the rallying point to enact gun bans in the United States. We're happy they were defeated," he said.[/B]
Some Brazilians said they resented the referendum because they feel the government is ducking its responsibility to keep the peace.
"It's immoral for the government to have this vote," said Pedro Ricardo, an army officer in Sao Paulo. "They're putting the responsibility on us, but ... the way to cut down on violence is to combat the drug trade and patrol our borders."
Supporters maintain the referendum is the only way to make Brazil safer.
"We have to change the violence in this country," said Paulo Leite, an engineer from the upscale Ipanema beach district. [B] About 39,000 people in Brazil are killed by guns each year, compared with about 30,000 people in the United States, although the U.S. population is about 100 million more than Brazil's, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[/B]
According to UNESCO, Brazil ranks second in deaths by guns, with 21.72 per 100,000 people a year. Only Venezuela has more -- 34.3 gun deaths per 100,000.
But in shantytowns such as Vila do Joao, the rate rises to around 150 per 100,000. And for males between 17 and 24, the death rate is closer to 250 per 100,000.[/FONT]
2005-10-24 20:56 | User Profile
I noticed the name David Fleischer was quoted, from the University of Brasillia. Doesn't sound very Brazillian. Made me wonder what the percentage of neocons was among their current policy makers. Ditto with Australia and NZ, who passed rigorous gun control laws. If those answers are as I suspect, that might prove to be good grist for apologists.
2005-10-24 21:06 | User Profile
Check out this thread, Gregor; there aren't too many Jews in Brazil.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20419&highlight=brazil[/url]
Petr
2005-10-25 21:10 | User Profile
Well this is a great example of the people rejecting an idea that the elitists TELL them is best for them, but the people rebel because they know better.
2005-10-28 12:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gregor]I noticed the name David Fleischer was quoted, from the University of Brasillia. Doesn't sound very Brazillian. Made me wonder what the percentage of neocons was among their current policy makers. Ditto with Australia and NZ, who passed rigorous gun control laws. If those answers are as I suspect, that might prove to be good grist for apologists.[/QUOTE] I wonder if George Soros was involved in any way. He has a history of funneling money to his pet causes in many countries, including gun control. He's funded gun control efforts in the USA, IIRC, so why not Brazil?
2005-11-01 14:10 | User Profile
[quote=grep14w]I wonder if George Soros was involved in any way. He has a history of funneling money to his pet causes in many countries, including gun control. He's funded gun control efforts in the USA, IIRC, so why not Brazil?
Yeah Grep, I wouldn't be surprised to see his fingerprints in NZ and Aus also.
Petr- The numbers aren't as important as the position. I think it was in one of the Hoffman links you posted (Shpak?!?) that refers to how a whole country can be led by the nose with just a few people in the right places pulling the rope.
2005-11-02 19:59 | User Profile
[quote=Gregor] how a whole country can be led by the nose with just a few people in the right places pulling the rope.
exactly. just like the bird flu hype in our country.
2005-11-04 12:42 | User Profile
[I]But the referendum backfired for proponents. Earlier this year, support for the ban was running as high as 80 percent.[/I] [I][B]But in the weeks before the vote, both sides got free time to present their cases on prime-time TV, and the pro-gun lobby began to gain traction.[/B][/I]
Brazilians may be physically-revolting mongrels, but clearly they're not total idiots.
Just imagine what would happen if we were allowed equal amounts of free air time to advocate, say, the immediate withrawal from Iraq, re-deployment of the troops to our southern border with shoot-to-kill orders, a simultaneous nationwide round up of cucarachas - all accompanied by a [I]Culture of Critique[/I]-style history lesson about the guilty Snoots with Feet who alone brought this mess upon us.
What you wanna bet we'd gain the same sort of glorious victory?
2005-11-04 12:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Brazilians may be physically-revolting mongrels, but clearly they're not total idiots.[/QUOTE]
Moronic generalization. Would you call "Americans" as mongrels since USA is 30 % non-White?
Petr
2005-11-04 13:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE][I]But the referendum backfired for proponents. Earlier this year, support for the ban was running as high as 80 percent.[/I] [I][B]But in the weeks before the vote, both sides got free time to present their cases on prime-time TV, and the pro-gun lobby began to gain traction.[/B][/I] That's a mistake the wire pullers won't make next time. If people can't be convinced to vote for their own disarmament, there are plenty of other ways to disarm them gradually.
Brazilians may be physically-revolting mongrels, but clearly they're not total idiots. There are large areas of southern Brazil that are whiter than the USA is nowadays.
2005-11-07 10:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Moronic generalization. Would you call "Americans" as mongrels since USA is 30 % non-White?
Petr[/QUOTE]
Those that are mixed breeds, sure.
As for the "moronic" insult: **** you.
2005-11-07 10:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]There are large areas of southern Brazil that are whiter than the USA is nowadays.[/QUOTE]
True, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the rest are a repulsive blend of white, nigger, injun and God knows what. That's precisely what Hyman has worked the last century to achieve in this country.