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Thread ID: 20737 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2005-10-24
2005-10-24 16:19 | User Profile
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2005-10-24 16:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE]For the future the Word of God is explicit still. In Romans 11:25 it is made clear that the blindness which now in part is happened to Israel is not forever but until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And then what is to come to pass? The 26th verse tells us that all Israel shall then be saved, when the Deliverer shall turn away all ungodliness from Jacob. The 29th verse is a verse that we love and use for ourselves, "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." We may take it to ourselves because God never breaks any promise, but let us notice that the primary application in this place is to the Jew. [B]God has promised great things for Israel as a nation, and this Word here tells us that He will bring them to pass. If He does not bring them to pass, then the gifts and calling of God are not without repentance. [/B]Clearly again, in Zechariah 12:10 it is stated that the day will come when the Jews "shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son." In the day when Israel shall be saved they shall look upon Jesus and know that in His first coming He was their true Messiah. Again, it is not only the Old Testament which promises that the land of Palestine will once more belong to the Jews, but in the New Testament, in Luke 21:24, we are told that Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles only until the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled. Therefore, the Word tells us that the day will come when all Israel shall be saved, and the Jews will look upon Jesus as their true Messiah, [B]and also that the Promised Land will be theirs once more. It [/B]is not only for the past, not only for the present, but also for the future, that we who are now Christ's should love the Jew.[/QUOTE]
Amazing. Even Schaeffer, who I think should have known better, falls for some dispensationalists creedo's.
Its interesting that even within ultra-conservative Calvinism, that there is such the Chalcedon Institute, which has quite good sense, is so isolated. Although I know this is mainly of interest to those Christians who appreciate in some measure the contributions of Calvinism and Christian fundamentalism in general to the western experience.
2005-10-24 16:43 | User Profile
Well, let us not be too judgmental on Schaeffer here. To err is humane, to forgive is divine...
In the midst of the World War II (this piece was written in 1943), even many genuinely conservative people were appalled by the treatment of Jews by Nazis. Hitler had provided Jews with propaganda bonanza.
Even today, people like Michael Hoffman do not wish to be associated with mindless and bloodthirsty anti-Semitism (like, say, the stuff originating from VNN).
[url]http://www.revisionisthistory.org/essay23.html[/url]
Petr
2005-10-24 17:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Well, let us not be too judgmental on Schaeffer here. To err is humane, to forgive is divine...
In the midst of the World War II (this piece was written in 1943), even many genuinely conservative people were appalled by the treatment of Jews by Nazis. Hitler had provided Jews with propaganda bonanza.
Good point. You need to carefully read and re-read some of Schaeffer's work, including the context, before you make a judgement on the man. The 1943 context is obviously important, and while referenced is not done so prominently, to me at least.
However while the 1943 date is applicable to Schaeffer and restricts his viewpoints to that time period (Schaeffer I'd suspect modified so of his proto-dispensationalist teachings, or at least did not prominently emphasize them to my knowledge), the same obviously can't be said of the PCA, who here reaffirm this position as their own, including, quite amazingly, the dispensationalist viewpoint.
As to Schaeffer, his viewpoints could evolve over the years. I know in his books he has specifically mentioned, among the damage done to western culture, the damage done by "rationalistic jews" although he thinks western christendom could do more to convert them.
Even today, people like Michael Hoffman do not wish to be associated with mindless and bloodthirsty anti-Semitism (like, say, the stuff originating from VNN).
[url]http://www.revisionisthistory.org/essay23.html[/url]
Petr[/QUOTE]Yes, I do think you have to keep this in context. Similarly I think Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and American Christendom in general have been influenced negatively toward Palestine and the Arabs by hostile anti-Christian environment of the Moselm countries (even though the Arabs seem to be relatively tolerant) and in-particular the bloody Palestenian infatida targeted toward civilians. Although this does nor excuse them.
2005-10-24 17:51 | User Profile
Of course He does. The problem is in the definition of a jew. Paul (or rather the Holy Spirit) does not attribute jewishness to everyone who is circumcised. Jesus says that there are those who "call themselves jews, but are not, they lie" (interesting designation, don't you think?) There are those descendents of Jacob who still follow Moses, and reject the lying, self-serving interpretations of the Talmud (the traditions condemned by Jesus) who will be those who recognize that He is their Messiah.
I consider this akin to the millions of nominal christians who name Christ, but don't submit to Him. Are they really christian? It depends on who's talking. Would Jesus say that he knew them? When the bible speaks of jews, it's talking about who God (the one speaking) thinks is jewish. And even then they are only the true 'seed of Abraham' by accepting Jesus as their Messiah, per Galatians.
They are the only jews who will be saved. For Jesus Himself said to the jews, "unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." There is no 'second track' of salvation for anyone, jew or gentile. Scripture refers a lot to 'the remnant', the faithful. That is who He tracks in the annals of His people, the rest are forgotten like those who perished in the desert. Forgetting this was Schaeffer's error. But then a lot of effort has gone into turning that error into the conventional wisdom.