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2005-10-10 05:21 | User Profile
TV evangelist renews Chavez attacks From correspondents in Washington 10oct05
PROMINENT US TV evangelist Pat Robertson has accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez of giving Osama bin Laden $US1.2 million after the September 11 attacks and of trying to obtain nuclear material from Iran.
Mr Robertson caused uproar in August when he called during his televised religious program for the US government to assassinate Chavez. He later was forced to apologise to the leftist leader.
But the conservative preacher issued a new denunciation of Chavez yesterday, local time, in an interview with CNN.
"The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America, he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent $US1.2 million in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9/11," Mr Robertson said.
"I apologised and I said I will be praying for him, but one day we will be staring nuclear weapons and it won't be (Hurricane) Katrina facing New Orleans, it's going to be a Venezuelan nuke," Mr Robertson said.
"So my suggestion was, isn't it a lot cheaper sometimes to deal with these problems before you have to have a big war," he added.
Asked how he had obtained information on Chavez giving money to bin Laden, Robertson said: "Sources that came to me. That's what I was told."
"And I know he sent a warm congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal, he's a friend of Muammar Gaddafi," he said. "He's made common cause with these people that are considered terrorists."
privacy terms é Herald and Weekly Times [url]http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/printpage/0,5481,16869135,00.html[/url] =============== I wish this fool would shut the hell up.
2005-10-10 14:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]"...he's a friend of Muammar Gaddafi," he said. "He's made common cause with these people that are considered terrorists."[/QUOTE]
So is Bush and his Israeli-occupied State dept. The embargo against Libya has been lifted for some time now and Gaddafi is now our friend.
Robertston should have tried to link him with Syria. Their Israel's...ahem...I mean...'Our'...latest and greatest enemy du jour.
2005-10-10 14:30 | User Profile
Tex,
Instead of this just being the ravings of a nutcase, I am now starting to suspect that some Neocon is using Robertson to run up trial balloons.
2005-10-10 14:34 | User Profile
Good instinct, Sertorius. As a general rule, one should get suspicious always when someone seems to be "overdoing" something.
Petr
2005-10-10 14:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Instead of this just being the ravings of a nutcase, I am now starting to suspect that some Neocon is using Robertson to run up trial balloons.[/QUOTE]
I suspect that's exactly the case. They have to see how it will "play" amongst their electoral base in flyover country (read: the ever-gullible evangelical 'Right' GOP suckers).
2005-10-10 14:41 | User Profile
Speaking of that same evangelical Right, as an aside I find it very humorous how they will criticize blacks for voting Democratic en bloc while they do the exact same for the Republicans.
By the way, sorry about your Braves.
2005-10-10 14:54 | User Profile
Is Mad Pat really as stupid as he appears to be, or is he a rapidly advancing Alzhiemers victim?
It would seem as if the Izzy/Clouseau administration is hell bent on destroying a goodly amount of the worlds oil production. Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. What next? Canada?
2005-10-10 15:21 | User Profile
CBN.com The Christian Broadcasting Network
Hugo Chavez potential threat Hugo Chavez vs. America By Dale Hurd CBN News Sr. Reporter
CBN.com ââ¬â CARACAS, Venezuela - His name is Hugo Chavez. He is the president of oil-rich Venezuela. Mr. Chavez has decided that America is his enemy, so he is building up his army. He has forged an alliance with Fidel Castro, and many think he is going to make trouble for the United States.
Chavez believes he is in a fight with the devil. But the devil that Chavez fights does not reside in Hell. Chavez believes that the devil resides in Washington.
Chavez has actually been on a collision course with Washington for years. But for the most part, Washington was not paying attention. It is now.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld toured South America recently, trying to fight back against Chavezââ¬â¢ growing influence, but Washingtonââ¬â¢s concern comes very late in the game, and now a new Cuban-Venezuelan alliance, bankrolled by oil profits, threatens to create a block of anti-American states across Latin America
But Washington's concern has been too little too late, and now some fear that a new Cuban-Venezuelan alliance has a plan to create a new block of Leftist-run, anti-American states across Central and South America.
Internally, Chavez has already rewritten the constitution, stacked the courts and begun throwing political opponents into jail. And some say he is now looking beyond Venezuela's borders. With billions of dollars in oil profits, Chavez is buying advanced Russian fighter planes and helicopters, dramatically increasing the size of his armed forces and integrating it with Cuba's.
Meanwhile, Chavez laughs all the way to the bank. He sits atop one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Venezuela owns CITGO. And as America's fourth largest oil supplier, he believes he has the U.S. by the throat. And he just might.
Chavez calls this revolution "Bolivarian," named after the South American liberator, Simon Bolivar. But for his opponents, this revolution has been anything but liberating.
Maria-Corina Machado, opposition leader and mother of three, faces prison time for simply taking grant money from the National Endowment for Democracy, a program of the United States Congress.
"This is a country where anyone who dares to think and speak differently from the government,ââ¬Â said Machado, ââ¬Åis seen as an enemy."
Machado's group Sumate used the money to educate citizens in democracy. But the Chavez government accused Machado of plotting with the U.S. to overthrow it.
Machado commented, "I have three kids and I tell my kids that their mom could go to jail because of conspiracy, treason to my country, rebellion. These are the kinds of charges put against us."
Opposition figure Enrique Capriles has already spent four months in jail. He told CBN News that he was only released because the street protests over his jail sentence had become an embarrassment to the government.
And at the TV channel Globovision, TV talk show host Leopoldo Castillo has had to learn to keep his acid tongue in check. There is a new censorship law against insulting President Chavez.
Castillo remarked, "David Letterman, every day, in tonight's show, he makes fun of President Bush. Nothing happens. Here, with a new law, if you make fun of the president, of the senior officer of the Supreme Court, of any minister, you can go to jail.ââ¬Â
But if you travel to the barrios of Caracas, you hear a different story. Because here you get the feeling that Chavez is the revenge of the poor on a society that before never seemed to care about them. Many living in grinding poverty believe Venezuela's brand of corrupt capitalism is the reason they are poor. Chavez means hope. Here, he is no dictator.
This Chavista, or follower of Chavez, says he hopes Chavez rules forever. What they say in the USA is a lie," he says, "because Chavez is not a dictator. Chavez is a president who has decided to govern on behalf of the poor."
Last year, Chavez spent four billion dollars in oil profits on social programs, like a sewing co-op, which also includes political indoctrination every morning. State money also funds neighborhood food programs.
Young Chavistas, we were told, "belong to the revolution." And if this is starting to sound to you like Cuba, that's just what a lot of Venezuelans have been thinking, too.
Adolfo Taylhardat should know. He used to be Venezuela's ambassador to Cuba.
Taylhardat said, "ââ¬Â¦So I'm very much familiar with the internal situation in Cuba. And what I see is that Chavez slowly has been introducing all the elements of the Cuban regime, Cuban system into Venezuela. He wants to make Venezuela be as similar to Cuba as possible. And he wants to present Venezuela as a victim of U.S. imperialism."
In this typical diatribe, Chavez compared capitalism to Count Dracula, Frankenstein, Jack the Ripper and the Boston Strangler, but then added that Capitalists are much worse than those monsters.
Not a single poor person we talked to, no matter how much love they expressed for Chavez, said they wanted Venezuela to turn into Cuba. But that is the direction the country is headed.
Chavez has kicked out American military advisors and brought in Cuban officers. We interviewed a former Venezuelan Army officer, now seeking political asylum in the United States.
Speaking by phone from the Krome Detention Center in Miami, Lieutenant Jose Colina told us, "I was present in meetings in which members of the Cuban government were trying to change the ideology and indoctrinate officials of the Venezuelan Armed Forces, especially those of the National Guard. Without a doubt they were pointing out that we had to fight imperialism, capitalism and its top representative, the United States -- which is also the main cause of poverty and misery in Latin America."
In the barrios of Caracas we met a Cuban doctor, one of thousands of Cubans who now operate low-cost medical clinics for the poor. He said his was not a political mission, but a humanitarian one.
**Chavez has been called the "anti-Bush." He has embraced virtually every enemy of the United States, past and present, from Saddam Hussein to Moammar Khaddafy to the Taliban and Iran.
An important early advisor to Chavez was an Argentine Holocaust-denier named Norberto Ceresole.
Ceresole believed that Latin America must forge alliances with Arab nations to fight against the United States and what Ceresole called "the Jewish financial mafia." And a few months ago, Chavez played a major role in the first South American-Arab Summit in Brazil, which attacked both the United States and Israel as the chief enemies of Latin America.**
And although his government repeatedly denies it, a large body of evidence suggests that Chavez is harboring and supporting the FARC guerillas of neighboring Colombia, one of the largest and most dangerous terrorist organizations in the world.
Chavez calls the United States the world's greatest menace and says he simply wishes to be left alone to do his work. But there is a growing fear that Chavez is preparing to export his Bolivarian revolution to his neighbors. Why else would he need 100,000 recently purchased Russian AK-47s? Why announce plans to increase the size of the army reserves from 50,000 to 1.5 million? Why the ties to guerilla movements?
Chavez says the arms buildup is defensive. His opponents disagree. Taylhardat says, "He wants to do now what Castro failed to do in the 60s, when he sent out Che Guevarra to export the Cuban revolution to the rest of the continent."
Chavez said, "The U.S. administration is behind the opposition in Venezuela, and Mr. George Bush has a black hat, black horse and black flag. He is the main instigator and the main planner of all the movements that have attacked us."
Chavez says the U.S. is plotting to have him killed, and he says if that happens, oil shipments to the U.S. will stop. It is a strange relationship between business partners. But get used to it. Hugo Chavez remains the most popular politician in Venezuela. And he shows no sign of going away.
He states, "I bet a dollar to Mr. Bush to see who will last longer, him there in the White House or this Venezuelan, Hugo Chavez, here in the Miraflores Palace. Let's see who lasts longer, Mr. Bush."
In his fight with America, Chavez intends to be the last man standing.
é Copyright 2005. The Christian Broadcasting Network. [url]http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/050531a.asp[/url]
2005-10-11 00:13 | User Profile
Sertorius,
I must say Hugo Chavez is not a good guy, but that does not mean I think the US government should take him out. He more proof of Spanish Americaââ¬â¢s failed multi-racialism... more proof we need to deport all of these savages from our land.
I can not disagree with Pat Robertson on this: [QUOTE]"The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America..."[/QUOTE]
2005-10-11 00:18 | User Profile
[B][URL=http://antiwar.com/justin/j010501.html]The New Bolivar: Hugo Chavez and the Rise of Pan-American Nationalism[/url]**
by Justin Raimondo January 5, 2001
2005-10-11 00:26 | User Profile
Wow what pile of :dung: ! This is bad even for Raimondo...
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident][B][URL=http://antiwar.com/justin/j010501.html]The New Bolivar: Hugo Chavez and the Rise of Pan-American Nationalism[/url]**
by Justin Raimondo January 5, 2001[/QUOTE]
2005-10-11 00:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Wow what pile of :dung: ! This is bad even for Raimondo...[/QUOTE]
Well, to be honest I must admit I kinda like Chavez and do not think he is a marxist or a threat to an American populace that minds its own business.
From what I've seen he simply enjoys putting a finger in the eye of D.C. and the big money transnational fat cats that were living in Caracas penthouses while Chavez's people were across town living in cardboard boxes. Ever since he was duly elected by the people of Venezuela there has been a non-stop propaganda campaign against him in the U.S. media and I think much of his actions such as cozying up to Castro, were simply his own efforts to 1) irritate D.C. and 2) seek out and find alliances where and whenever he could.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to laud the man or look at him with rose-colored glasses, I just don't think he is the devil our corporate media makes him out to be. I think he just wants D.C. out of Venezuela, central and south America and I cannot fault him for wanting what I want for Texas, also.
2005-10-11 02:20 | User Profile
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Sunday, October 9, 2005 WHEN THE EARTH MOVES Robertson: Disasters point to 2nd Coming Evangelist observes quakes, hurricanes 'starting to hit with amazing regularity' Posted: October 9, 2005 4:45 p.m. Eastern
By Joe Kovacs é 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Pat Robertson
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. ââ¬â This weekend's catastrophic earthquake in South Asia in the wake of recent U.S. hurricanes and December's tsunami is catching the eye of televangelist Pat Robertson, who says we "might be" in the End Times described in the Bible.
"These things are starting to hit with amazing regularity," Robertson said on CNN's "Late Edition."
Robertson, a former GOP presidential candidate and host of the "700 Club" daily Christian TV show, noted, "If you read back in the Bible, the letter of the apostle Paul to the church of Thessalonia, he said that in the latter days before the end of the age that the Earth would be caught up in what he called the birth pangs of a new order. And for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going into labor, you know how these labor pains begin to hit. I don't have any special word that says this is that, but it could be suspiciously like that."
"What was called the blessed hope of the Bible is that one day Jesus Christ would come back again, start a whole new era, that this world order that we know would change into something that would be wonderful that we'd call the millennium," he continued. "And before that good time comes there will be some difficult days and there will be likened to what a woman goes through in labor just before she brings forth a child."
When asked if the world was approaching that moment, Robertson said, "It's possible. I don't have any special revelation to say it is but the Bible does indicate such a time will happen in the end of time. And could this be it? It might be."
Hurricane Katrina left more than 1,200 people dead in the Gulf Coast region of the U.S., while the rising death toll from this weekend's earthquake in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India is in the 20,000 to 30,000 range thus far.
On Dec. 26, an estimated 275,000 people lost their lives from a tsunami sparked by an undersea earthquake in the Indian Ocean.
Some New Testament verses often cited by Christians regarding signs of the end of this present age before the return of Jesus to Earth include:
Robertson isn't the only one raising the End Times issue, as author and WorldNetDaily columnist Hal Lindsey has weighed in.
"It seems clear that the prophetic times I have been expecting for decades have finally arrived. And even worse, it appears that the judgment of America has begun," Lindsey said on the Sept. 9 broadcast of the "International Intelligence Briefing" on the Trinity Broadcasting Network. "I warn continually that the last days lineup of world powers does not include anything resembling the United States of America. Instead, a revived Roman Empire in Europe is to rule the West, and then the world. "
As WND reported last month, Robertson suggested the assassination of Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez.
"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," he said, though he later backed away from the suggestion of assassination, stating he was taken out of context.
Robertson revisited his concerns about Chavez today, telling CNN, "The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America, he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent 1.2 million dollars in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9-11."
"I've written him. I apologized and I said I will be praying for him, but one day we will be staring at nuclear weapons and it won't be [Hurricane] Katrina facing New Orleans, it's going to be a Venezuelan nuke," Robertson said.
When asked where he got the information about cash going from Chavez to bin Laden, Robertson said it was from "sources," though WND has previously reported on the connection.
"That's what I was told," Robertson said. "And I know he sent a warm, congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal. He's a friend of Moammar Gadhafi. He's made common cause with these people who are considered terrorists."
Joe Kovacs is executive news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.
2005-10-11 03:33 | User Profile
In reading Pat Robertson's paranoid rants, I can only think of Jesus' statement about the devil: "He was a liar from the beginning."
2005-10-12 08:04 | User Profile
I hear Robertson's getting mouth-widening surgery so that he'll be able to suck both of Sharon's elephantine buttocks at the same time. That Scofield Bahble-thumpin' shithead's "news reporting" is even more laughable than Faux Jews. :dung: :caiphas:
Stick to being a tongues-babblin' long-distance hemorhhoid healer, loon.
2005-10-16 04:08 | User Profile
if i was in charge in venezuela i would be just like chavez.
at least he is venezuelan AND concerned about his nation.
the way things look, maybe bush was descended from the solomon bush of the late 1770s...
it would explain why he caters more to some shitty little country than to this one.