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Thread ID: 20553 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-10-07
2005-10-07 00:39 | User Profile
I grew up going on trick or treat, dressing up as monsters, werewolfs etc. Looking back on it, I think I wouldnt have been bothered too much if I had skipped the whole thing. Now that Im a daddy, Im planning on just taking the kiddos on a hayride or something else. No witches and goblins for us, thanks. Anyone else stop following the crowd on this event ?
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2005-10-07 00:48 | User Profile
Harmless fun.
2005-10-07 01:17 | User Profile
Occultists consider Samhain to be one of their main occasions: [FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkRed][B] "Britannica Encyclopedia [/B]says (p 646)
" In Ancient Britain and Ireland, the Celtic festival of Samhain was observed on October 31, at the end of summer....[B]the souls of the dead were supposed to revisit their homes on this day[/B], and autumnal festival acquired sinister significance, with ghosts, witches , hobgoblins, blacks cats, fairies, and demons of all kinds roaming said to be roaming about. It was the time to placate the supernatural powers controlling the processes of nature. In additions, Halloween was thought to be the most favorable time for divinations concerning marriage, luck, health, and death. [B] It was the only day on which the help of the devil was invoked for such purposes.[/B]"[/COLOR][/FONT]
[url]http://www.gospelcenterchurch.org/halloween.html[/url]
Hey, even Talmudists have their equivalent of "harmless Halloween fun"! [SIZE=3] [FONT=Trebuchet MS] [COLOR=Blue]"[B]Christians might find it eye-opening to visit a Hasidic Jewish area during "Purim" and observe the grotesque, Halloween-like cavorting. [/B]Though the Purim festival uses the Book of Esther as its supposed proof-text, in practice the Jewish celebration of Purim is little more than a Bacchanal (cf. "Superstitions said legacy from Jewish ancestors," [I]Canadian Jewish News[/I], Nov. 16, 1989, p. 58). [B] Orthodox rabbis place curses, cast spells and imagine they have powers greater than God[/B], derived from their study of the Sefer Yezriah, (a book of Kabbalistic magic). Christians are trafficking in Babylonian paganism when they defer to the rabbis of Judaism."[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[url]http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html[/url]
Petr
2005-10-07 01:30 | User Profile
Halloween is also Reformation Day: [url="http://www.textweek.com/festivals/reformation.htm"]http://www.textweek.com/festivals/reformation.htm[/url]
Somehow it's OK for Protestants to have their little celebrations on the dreaded SAMHAIN (some calendar dates are just inherently filthy) -- but for Catholics to have a Feast of All Saints? why, that's just evidence of their demonic, pagan, popish romanism.
2005-10-07 02:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Harmless fun.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, maybe not. Some look at cartoons that feature hip-hop jingles or theme music as harmless for kids too.
2005-10-07 03:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Malachias111]Halloween is also Reformation Day: [url="http://www.textweek.com/festivals/reformation.htm"]http://www.textweek.com/festivals/reformation.htm[/url]
Somehow it's OK for Protestants to have their little celebrations on the dreaded SAMHAIN (some calendar dates are just inherently filthy) -- but for Catholics to have a Feast of All Saints? why, that's just evidence of their demonic, pagan, popish romanism.[/QUOTE] That is the date Luther posted his 95 theses.
As far as I know, this didn't have anything to do with Samhain. Am I wrong?
2005-10-07 04:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Occultists consider Samhain to be one of their main occasions: [FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkRed][B] "Britannica Encyclopedia [/B]says (p 646)
" In Ancient Britain and Ireland, the Celtic festival of Samhain was observed on October 31, at the end of summer....[B]the souls of the dead were supposed to revisit their homes on this day[/B], and autumnal festival acquired sinister significance, with ghosts, witches , hobgoblins, blacks cats, fairies, and demons of all kinds roaming said to be roaming about. It was the time to placate the supernatural powers controlling the processes of nature. In additions, Halloween was thought to be the most favorable time for divinations concerning marriage, luck, health, and death. [B] It was the only day on which the help of the devil was invoked for such purposes.[/B]"[/COLOR][/FONT]
[/QUOTE]No doubt, from a rigid Puritan point of view the pagan origins of Halloween, along with that of Christmas and Easter, condemn them to the dustheap. Personally though I probably will continue to have to view and treat all three as harmless fun.
2005-10-07 04:28 | User Profile
I always find something cool and spooky to do on Halloween. I never grew out of that.
2005-10-07 06:01 | User Profile
My wife got tired of it two years ago.
Either the kids go to a costume party at someone's house, two years ago, or we all go out to a movie as a family, last year, or we head out of town for an event, this year's plan.
She's had enough of the random people at our door . . .and she won't let me shoot them if we don't know them. :gunsmilie
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[QUOTE=JoseyWales]I grew up going on trick or treat, dressing up as monsters, werewolfs etc. Looking back on it, I think I wouldnt have been bothered too much if I had skipped the whole thing. Now that Im a daddy, Im planning on just taking the kiddos on a hayride or something else. No witches and goblins for us, thanks. Anyone else stop following the crowd on this event ?
:glare:[/QUOTE]
2005-10-07 07:20 | User Profile
If you're giving up Halloween, why not start celebrating Guy Fawkes day? Burn effigies, blow things up, set off fireworks, celebrate the attempted assassination of a monarch, tell children stories about grisly public executions, make huge bonfires... what more could you want in a festival?
[url]http://www.guy-fawkes.com/[/url] [url]http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/guy/html/celeb.html[/url] [url]http://www.bonefire.org/guy/[/url] [url]http://www.infoplease.com/spot/guyfawkes.html[/url]
2005-10-07 12:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=robinder]That is the date Luther posted his 95 theses.
As far as I know, this didn't have anything to do with Samhain. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE] No, but neither does the Vigil of the Feast in the Roman Church. All Hallows' Day ("All Saints Day") was first celebrated on May 13th (it is still celebrated then in some of the Eastern Churches). It was transferred to November 1 in 844, when Pope Gregory III consecrated a chapel in Rome (in St. Peter's Basilica) to All Saints (Rome being a place far away from the druids and pagans of Ireland who'd know what "Samhain" was).
But, as with anything Roman, non-Catholics tend to look at surface things, like dates, see that "Samhain" is celebrated on October 31, and then accuse.
All Hallows' Eve (Hallowe'en) is merely the vigil of All Hallows and has come to be, in folk tradition, a time for remembering the realities of Hell (some of the Irish pagan customs of Samhain having been mixed in in some parts of the world -- most of them harmless, unless you consider carving a gourd a sign of Satan). What Hallowe'en has become in the past 40 years is something else altogether what with all these freaky teenagers dabbling in the occult about. But it doesn't make the celebration of the Vigil, itself, something bad.
2005-10-07 13:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Harmless fun.[/QUOTE]Exactly.
2005-10-07 14:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Malachias111] (Rome being a place far away from the druids and pagans of Ireland who'd know what "Samhain" was).
But, as with anything Roman, non-Catholics tend to look at surface things, like dates, see that "Samhain" is celebrated on October 31, and then accuse. [/QUOTE] Malachias, As to the former, Samhain was a holiday often celebrated by Celtic peoples, not just the Irish. The Roman historians who originally referred to it were speaking generally about the Gauls (also Celtic). Given the extent of Celtic control prior to the rise of Rome, Rome is not far at all geographically from this stuff. The early church DID often change dates on festivals to match pagan dates because they had trouble getting pagans who were "converted" to quit celebrating them.
That said, you are correct in the latter. Mass assumptions cannot be made. Although each instance of intentional syncretism should be condemned, realistically there are only 365 days a year. Given that the calendar is rife with pagan holidays, to automatically assign nefarious motive to any match up of dates without due diligence is unrealistic, uncharitable, and absurd.
2005-10-07 20:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]I grew up going on trick or treat, dressing up as monsters, werewolfs etc. Looking back on it, I think I wouldnt have been bothered too much if I had skipped the whole thing. Now that Im a daddy, Im planning on just taking the kiddos on a hayride or something else. No witches and goblins for us, thanks. Anyone else stop following the crowd on this event ?
:glare:[/QUOTE]
My family does not because of the pagan and occultic origins of many of the customs. We do get pumpkins and do some fall decorating.
2005-10-07 20:50 | User Profile
Halloween was always a huge deal when I was growing up, as well as in my young adulthood. As kids, a great way to get candy and throw eggs. As an adult, a great excuse to throw or attend huge costume parties or go out to a club.
Nowadays, Halloween is a much quieter affair and we'd rather stay in. Too many amateurs out there now.