← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · JoseyWales
Thread ID: 20535 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2005-10-06
2005-10-06 00:45 | User Profile
I caught a few minutes of oreilly on faux. he was blabbering about how some beaner killed another beaner when he found out he/she/it was a transvestite. ok, boring im thinking to myself. then, orielly brings on his guests. there was some deviant from the "transgender legal center". Now what kind of crap is that ? Its bad enough that fox news is the blowhorn for the neocon cabal, but to bring on these deviants and represent them as valid and legitmate parts of society is just plain disgusting!
watching fox news is kind of like watching BET for me. sometimes i watch just to get a glimpse of how upside down this society has become.
2005-10-06 00:54 | User Profile
Josey,
This is simply O'Reilly maintaining the journalistic excellence that he is renown for from A Current event.
2005-10-06 04:52 | User Profile
I am sick of ââ¬ÅLiberalsââ¬Â getting upset when stupid perverts get themselves killed by being stupid and perverted.
2005-10-06 10:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]I am sick of ââ¬ÅLiberalsââ¬Â getting upset when stupid perverts get themselves killed by being stupid and perverted.[/QUOTE]
If you're one of the relatively small number of men (I imagine) who has the potential to make himself appear to be an attractive woman by applying make-up, perfume, female garb, etc., and you choose to exercise this option, and you find yourself about to exercise the option of performing an act of fellatio, you really are obligated to mak certain that other person is ware you both have a penis. If you don't take that precaution, you might get killed.* How difficult of a rule is that for them to understand and obey?!?
*Sounds like involuntary manslaughter to me, due to your understandably surprised and spontaneous reaction; with no previous criminal record, you might well get off with just probation. Oh, but now its a "hate crime," so you'll be lucky if they let you have 15 years-to-life (meaning more like life) on a 2nd degree murder rap; the DA will want 1st degree and maybe the death penalty. Sheesh.
2005-10-06 13:40 | User Profile
I can not stand watching some bit of "news" being talked about such as this, then to have these deviant people/groups be brought out to tell their side of the story. To do so, is considering them as legitimate.
Orielly and his "fair and balanced" approach is B$. I know a few family members and friends that still watch faux news and consinder themselves "conservative", and are members of the "W is our hero" crowd. A few are slowly starting to come around to their senses.
Watch now, as holloween approaches, there will be news on the various shows that interview groups with names like "national organization of witches", "national church of satan" etc. Faux news will probably be among those to host them.
Ive heard it said that freedom of speech is not about supporting the voices you agree with, but also with those you dont agree with. This isnt the same it seems. This is nothing more than blurring the lines between right and wrong. No more black & white, everything fade to gray. Relativisim at its finest, from the neoconservative propaganda machine. We report you decide. BULL$HIT
2005-10-06 14:10 | User Profile
FOX "News", and the FOX Network in genereal, are very, very busy banging those few, final, and stubborn nails down on America's imported-from-China faux wood coffin. They don't have time for anything resembling intergrity.
2005-10-06 15:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] *Sounds like involuntary manslaughter to me, due to your understandably surprised and spontaneous reaction; with no previous criminal record, you might well get off with just probation. Oh, but now its a "hate crime," so you'll be lucky if they let you have 15 years-to-life (meaning more like life) on a 2nd degree murder rap; the DA will want 1st degree and maybe the death penalty. Sheesh.[/QUOTE] I have to say, especially as a woman, I find men that parade around as women quite scary. I don't dare say anything though because it sounds silly, like being afraid of clowns, but it really creeps me out. It's like a phobia I have. I think that these men have such a deep seated misogynistic psyche that not only are women not good enough to sleep with, but they think they are better women. Why aren't these people treated as criminally insane?
2005-10-06 15:18 | User Profile
XM,
And joining us now from Little Rock, Arkansas, is FOX News military analyst General Wesley Clark, who has been thinking about Iraq policy.
OK, General, go. What would you do if you were in charge?
GEN. WESLEY CLARK (RET.), U.S. ARMY: Bill, it's always taken a three-legged stool to succeed in Iraq. Leg one is the military, leg two is the politics inside Iraq and leg three is the diplomacy in the region and especially with Iraq's neighbors.
Now for the first year we were in Iraq we only had leg one, the military. Then we added the political. The political is bringing a constitution to be voted on that later this month that's going to really anger 20 percent of the population. And when it passes, which it probably will, we'll have deeper animosities inside Iraq.
So the mission is in trouble, right. You're right; it's a big mess.
The reason is the Bush administration has never really grasped the diplomatic problem in the region. If we want to fix Iraq, we've got to work the diplomacy of the region.
Now, how do we do it? We meet individually and we send emissaries in and we talk to Iraq's neighbors. Turkey, Jordan. No problem. Kuwait, no problem. Syria and Iran, that's really tough. This administration doesn't want to talk to either one of them directly. And yet, they're part of the problem in Iraq. When we invaded Iraq we let Syria and Iran know they were next.
We're putting the squeeze on Syria right now, and we'd like to run the administration ââ¬â we'd like to run Bashar Assad out of town and get rid of this government in Syria. So he's got no incentive right now to try to help us work in Iraq.
And as far as Iran is concerned, we've got a looming nuclear crisis with Iran, and we're not talking to them.
So our military people, our mission in Iraq is held hostage by the neighbors. We're going to have to talk to the neighbors if we want to make this mission work.
O'REILLY: All right. Well, Syria, I think you can probably make a deal to spare Bashar's life if he cooperates with us. I agree with you.
CLARK: Well, not only that, but you can go in there and you can start working it. He's still a guy who wants to stay in power and he's got nine intelligence agencies competing against him and undercutting Israel.
O'REILLY: I agree with you there. I think it's workable in Syria. U.S. should send the ambassador back. I think it's workable.
I don't think it's workable in Iran. I think those people are so far beyond the pale at this point that no matter what you said to them, it's not going to make a difference.
CLARK: Bill, have you been over to Iran? Have you been over to Iran?
O'REILLY: I've been ââ¬â not in the country, but I have been in the gulf.
CLARK: Have you talked to them? Have you talked to them? I've been in the gulf, too, and I've had several instances of people from Iran wanting to talk to me. There are people there are elements of that government that do want to talk. Now, can you do it so it doesn't look like weakness? That's what diplomats are supposed to be able to do.
O'REILLY: I'm not opposed to that. But I don't know how much stock you can put init.
CLARK: What you must do is you must find the common interest. There's nobody in that region that wants a huge war inside Iraq.
O'REILLY: See I disagree with that. I think Iran is thrilled that there's a huge war inside Iraq. Because...
CLARK: Iran can't win that war.
O'REILLY: Yes, they can. I'll tell you, if we cut and run ââ¬â if we cut and run, as 25 percent of Americans want to do right now, Iran fills that vacuum. They team up with the Shia, they basically call the shots in southern Iraq. So I think Iran is thrilled.
CLARK: In southern Iraq they call the shots, but they don't call the shots in all of Iraq.
O'REILLY: No. But that's where the oil flow is.
CLARK: You've got Saudi Arabia. You've got Syria. You've got Jordan. You've got a lot of money that's going to flow in there. You know, the way it works over there is a lot of these countries are willing to use Al Qaeda when it suits their purpose.
O'REILLY: Absolutely. That's what Iran is doing.
CLARK: That's right. But this is not going to suit their purposes to let Iran have the whole country or even to carve off a part of it...
O'REILLY: All right. So let's sum up. So you want to ââ¬â you want to...
CLARK: Take that interesting and build out of it a regional dialogue and let the United States then train the Iraqi forces, step back as the guarantor of regional security in the region, and then let each of these countries guarantee Iraq's border and let their...
O'REILLY: All right. It's an optimistic viewpoint that they would do that.
CLARK: It's a possible viewpoint, Bill.
O'REILLY: North Korea proves that, although we don't know if North Korea is going to do what they say they're going to do. So it's a dangerous world.
But look, I'm not opposed to having conversations with Syria and Iran to try to help us out over there, but I don't ââ¬â Syria, I think you can do it because as you said, you know, it's Bashar's life. I mean, we could take his life and we should take his life if he doesn't help us out. Iran is a different nut.
CLARK: Iran is the most difficult country in the region.
O'REILLY: It is, absolutely.
CLARK: We've got to engage it. There's nothing wrong with talking to people before you have to use force.
O'REILLY: OK. Now let me ask you about this Hellerstein ruling last week that at the behest of the ACLU, Hellerstein says, yes, the government has to put out more Abu Ghraib (search) pictures.
Now, you heard Myers say nothing new. Just more of the same. We all know from the Newsweek debacle this is going to enflame. Because crimes of passion need a lighter. They need a flame. This would provide it. More Americans are going to die.
I have not heard anybody come out and condemn Hellerstein's ruling, any politician, anybody from the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld, nobody. Just me. I'm outraged. What do you think?
CLARK: A lot of us don't know what's in those pictures and we don't know what to say.
O'REILLY: You don't believe Myers?
CLARK: Let me go back to the other side of it.
O'REILLY: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
CLARK: Wait a minute, Bill. The other side of it is what is happening in Iraq? You know, it wasn't just Abu Ghraib. You've got a captain now in the 82nd Airborne who says that this kind of torture and beating up people and so forth was condoned by his unit; the chain of command is protecting it.
O'REILLY: Hey, general, you know what war is about?
CLARK: No, I don't know what it's about, Bill. Because the United States Army that I served in proudly for 34 years, we did not beat up and torture prisoners.
O'REILLY: General, with al respect, there were atrocities in Vietnam.
CLARK: Yes. And they were trials and they were punished.
O'REILLY: And World War II and World War I and the Civil War and the Revolutionary War.
CLARK: They were not by the chain of command.
O'REILLY: Yes, they were.
CLARK: No, they weren't. No they weren't.
O'REILLY: Lieutenant Callie and Medina in Vietnam?
CLARK: They were not condoned by the chain of command. Those guys were court martialed.
O'REILLY: With al due respect...
CLARK: ... all the way up the chain of command.
O'REILLY: General, you need to look at the Malmady (ph) massacre in World War II and the 82nd Airborne.
CLARK: You're looking at World War II. I'm looking at a volunteer army fighting a war against terror and if you're going to win, you've got to have a higher standard.
O'REILLY: You want those picture pictures out? You want these pictures?
CLARK: I want our Army to live up to American values.
O'REILLY: So everybody does. You want the pictures out?
CLARK: We don't torture people. So I think we need a complete investigation to see where this goes all the way up to the top level with the chain of command and up to the White House.
O'REILLY: Fine, no problem. Yes or no, general? Do you agree? Do you agree...
CLARK: I would like to see the pictures, Bill.
O'REILLY: You want to see the pictures.
CLARK: I want to see.
O'REILLY: Even if would put Americans in danger, you want to see them?
CLARK: I'll tell you what's put Americans in danger, is not having the Geneva Convention in force.
O'REILLY: All right. That's theory, General. We've got guys over there now. That's theory; we've got guys over there. Just rethink it. I disagree with you on that.
CLARK: No...
O'REILLY: I appreciate you coming on.
CLARK: Well, I want to hear you come back on my ground. I want to see what we can do to really clean this up. We can't win this war on terror by torturing people.
O'REILLY: I agree with that, but I don't want to put our guys in the field in any more danger.
CLARK: Hellerstein is wrong. [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171190,00.html[/url] ======================= :biggrin: I have little use for Clark, he is a dandy and an army politician. Despite these flaws I have to admit I do enjoy it when he pops idiots like Bill and Sean on the ends of their pig snouts. Note how Bill tries to run away from torture that his friends, the Israelis, just love to use on people. Hell, Bill loves to tell us that he is a former history teacher, yet, we have him here showing complete ignorance about the Malmedy massacre. It wasn't the 82nd A.B. involved, it was a platoon of the 1 SS Panzer. What an ignorant, loudmouth ass.
2005-10-06 15:29 | User Profile
Sert - give it up compadre, you know the old line "all is fair in love and war". Im no fan of the iraq mess, but Im not one to squeal when i hear about torture, and this is a subject for another thread...
:yes:
2005-10-06 15:34 | User Profile
Sert, add to O'Reilly's know-it-all attitude the fact that he's openly calling for the assassination of a sitting president of a sovereign country:
[QUOTE]But look, I'm not opposed to having conversations with Syria and Iran to try to help us out over there, but I don't ââ¬â Syria, I think you can do it because as you said, you know, it's Bashar's life. I mean, we could take his life and we should take his life if he doesn't help us out. Iran is a different nut.[/QUOTE]
Military expert Bill O'Reilly pulls a Pat Robertson and not a peep from the US Government countering Bill's statements? If it's not clear to everyone now that FOX "News" is a direct mouthpiece for the Fedgov, I don't know when it will ever be more clear. Maybe when Big Brother's picture starts appearing on the channel.
2005-10-06 16:03 | User Profile
XM,
Good point. I'd like to ask this fool just who in the hell is going to replace Assad? The Muslim Brotherhood? Like Bush, he shoots first and thinks later. That is typical O'Reilly. A tough talking bully who informs us that he has to have bodyguards because of Leftwing websites like Media Matters. What a wuss.
He reminds me of some jerk I went to high school with. This guy is a lot taller than me and would come up behind me and pop me on the back of the head yelling something silly. I told him to knock it off. He told me I couldn't do anything about it. The next time he did it we were by the teacher's closet, my back to him. I turned and grabbed that s.o.b. and proceeded to stuff him [I]into[/I] that closet. By the time the teacher broke it up I had the closet door shut upon him and was trying to shut it, being prevented by the big jerk's foot caught between the door and the floor. He didn't mess with me from then on.
Bonus! Hannity's Yid Force One! [IMG]http://boortz.com/images/hannity_jet.jpg[/IMG] I'd suggest to Sean that he have the rudder repainted with the Star of David encompassing the sign of the dollar on it.
2005-10-06 16:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]I am sick of ââ¬ÅLiberalsââ¬Â getting upset when stupid perverts get themselves killed by being stupid and perverted.[/QUOTE] It's really not all that unusual. During my police career (retired 9/01) I investigated several homicides involving homosexual males who passed themselves off as female prostitutes. Occasionally, if the "John" put his hand between "her" legs, "she" met a disastrous end.
2005-10-06 21:13 | User Profile
BlueBonnet,
Yes you are right. I think the sodomites are insane in general. I mean they want a man in a dress? They all have "deep seated misogynistic psyche" most of these "transgender" types are pretty disgusting to look at too.
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]I have to say, especially as a woman, I find men that parade around as women quite scary. I don't dare say anything though because it sounds silly, like being afraid of clowns, but it really creeps me out. It's like a phobia I have. I think that these men have such a deep seated misogynistic psyche that not only are women not good enough to sleep with, but they think they are better women. Why aren't these people treated as criminally insane?[/QUOTE]
2005-10-06 23:19 | User Profile
I have to say, especially as a woman, I find men that parade around as women quite scary. I don't dare say anything though because it sounds silly, like being afraid of clowns, but it really creeps me out. It's like a phobia I have. I think that these men have such a deep seated misogynistic psyche that not only are women not good enough to sleep with, but they think they are better women. Why aren't these people treated as criminally insane?
2005-10-06 23:24 | User Profile
I messed up my first post. My point is, we always refer to men as transvestites because they dress like women and wear dresses. What about all the women in today's society that dress like men--wearing pants and having short cropped hair. We now have a new species that I now refer to as she/men. We have men and she/men. The traditional woman is gone. So sad.
2005-10-07 06:25 | User Profile
DAB,
A good point. [QUOTE=DAB]I messed up my first post. My point is, we always refer to men as transvestites because they dress like women and wear dresses. What about all the women in today's society that dress like men--wearing pants and having short cropped hair. We now have a new species that I now refer to as she/men. We have men and she/men. The traditional woman is gone. So sad.[/QUOTE]