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JoseyWales [OP]

2005-10-03 16:19 | User Profile

Looks like johnny jihad...or maybe johnny goldstein ? [url]http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/[/url]

Okiereddust

2005-10-03 17:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=JoseyWales]Looks like johnny jihad...or maybe johnny goldstein ? [url]http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Not goldstein. Too bad he didn't live through it though, and come out of the closet and say he was a persecuted moslem. Boren probably would have said he was a victim of racism and all what else. He's that kind of a guy as [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=117516&postcount=1]Michael Wright notes[/URL].

This is something really big in Oklahoma though. You can tell by the way the press and police are covering it - mums the word.

Sounds to me like he might have been planning on entering the stadium with the bomb initially, and it detonated prematurely. That was a big bomb, it would have been awful. :ph34r:

JoseyWales

2005-10-07 17:32 | User Profile

more news [url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46701[/url]

BlueBonnet

2005-10-07 17:59 | User Profile

If this guy was identified so quickly because of the cops actions, why was it originally reported that it was a distraught and depressed student just commiting suicide? Who's doing the covering up? Or is that just our crack journalists at their finest?

vytis

2005-10-07 18:10 | User Profile

Wonder why this story never made it to Pennsylvania...I never read a word about it...In fact this is the first I even heard of it.

OPERA96

2005-10-07 19:22 | User Profile

[QUOTE=vytis]Wonder why this story never made it to Pennsylvania...read a [/QUOTE] I heard it on KYW and it was on 3,6 and 10 in the Philadelphia area, although not for long.

Okiereddust

2005-10-07 20:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]If this guy was identified so quickly because of the cops actions, why was it originally reported that it was a distraught and depressed student just commiting suicide? Who's doing the covering up? Or is that just our crack journalists at their finest?[/QUOTE]No one's doing any covering up here in Oklahoma. Com'mom. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE][QUOTE] [B]More Information Rumors haunt Muslim students [/B] [/QUOTE]

By Judy Gibbs Robinson The Oklahoman

NORMAN - Muslim students feared for their safety Thursday and the University of Oklahoma stepped in to protect them as rumors spread of a terrorist plot behind Saturday's explosion near the football stadium.

[B]OU says student wasn’t sold ticket[/B] "A lot of students are taking precautions, staying at home," said Houda Elyazgi, an officer with the Muslim Student Association. "I wear the scarf, so I fear for my security now because of all this speculation."

*In an e-mail sent Thursday afternoon to every student, faculty and staff member, OU President David Boren warned against jumping to conclusions based on race, gender, economic status or religion.

"To rush to judge others or make assumptions about them on that basis is nothing short of prejudice," Boren wrote. "It has no place in America, and it certainly has no place at the University of Oklahoma." *

Most people have reacted responsibly to the deadly explosion Saturday night in the second quarter of a game between OU and Kansas State, Boren wrote.

"Unfortunately, there are always a few who do not," he wrote.

The bomb blast is believed to have killed OU engineering student Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III.

Investigators are treating the death as a suicide, and Boren reiterated there is "no evidence of a conspiracy involving others which creates an ongoing threat to our OU community."

[B]Feeling suspicion, again[/B]

Oklahoma Muslim leaders knew their faith would be under the microscope once again after the explosion.

"When it first happened, we said, 'Oh, God. Here we go again,'" said Imad Enchassi, president of the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, remembering how suspicion fell on the Muslim community in the days after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

In the days after Saturday's explosion, at least four Muslim students were handcuffed and questioned, and Muslim leaders took repeated phone calls from reporters.

Circumstances fueled the speculation. Hinrichs' Pakistani roommate, Fazal M. Cheema, is Muslim, although not particularly religious, according to regulars at the Norman mosque. Cheema worked at the football stadium, according to the OU student directory. The young men lived at Parkview Apartments, a university-owned property popular with Islamic students because it is adjacent to the local mosque.

[I]Some media reported Hinrichs spent much of his time recently at the Norman mosque. If he ever did, he went unnoticed by the leaders and regulars[/I].

[I]"I had never seen him until he was in the newspaper," said the president of the mosque, who asked that his name not be used for fear of retaliation against his family[/I]. (noooh, nooooh, noooh - I never saw him, did you Ahmed? - noooh, noooh, noooh. :lol:)

Hinrichs' father, Joel Hinrichs Jr., said this week his son was skeptical of ideology and was not Muslim.

"He's not in any shape or form related to the Muslim community as far as we know," said Marjaneh Seirafi-Pour, a Norman resident and spokeswoman for the Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council. (noooh, nooooh, noooh - I never saw him, did you Ahmed? - noooh, noooh, noooh. :lol:)

Seirafi-Pour said it is unfair for people to assume whenever a bomb explodes that Muslims must be involved. Oklahoma Muslims condemn all violence, she said.

"We condemn any kind of violence and any kind of destruction to the peace of the society. That's the most important thing to us. That's the teaching of Islam and we stand by that," Seirafi-Pour said.

Elyazgi said it has been particularly difficult because Wednesday marked the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, when the faithful fast from dawn to dusk.

"I'd rather be focusing on my fast and this joyous month than having to worry about my back," Elyazgi said.

"It's scary," she said. "You never know if another person will act rashly, God forbid." [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [B] [CENTER] More Information
No terror ties found so far in bomb case [/CENTER] [/B] By Nolan Clay and Randy Ellis The Oklahoman

NORMAN - The FBI has found no evidence so far that a University of Oklahoma student who died in a bombing Saturday night tried to get inside the football stadium or had ties to any terrorist organization, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI also has found no evidence anyone else was involved, officials said.

Still, OU plans to tighten security at upcoming football games. Fans can expect bags and purses to be checked more closely.

“They should come a little earlier,” OU President David Boren said. “Be patient with us - know it’s only for their safety that we’re being very, very thorough.”

Fans also will not be allowed to leave at the half on passes and return.

Joel “Joe” Henry Hinrichs III is believed to have died in an explosion about 7:30 p.m. Saturday on a campus bench about 100 yards from the packed Gaylord Family - Oklahoma Memorial Stadium. Investigators are treating the death as a suicide.

OU was playing Kansas State before more than 80,000 fans. The game was in the second quarter. The blast could be heard inside the stadium.

Explosives later were removed from the student’s university-owned apartment.

The FBI continues to investigate. One agent re-interviewed the student’s father Tuesday in Colorado Springs, Colo.

Hinrichs, 21, was a junior majoring in engineering. He has been described by his family and the university as a loner with emotional difficulties. He dropped out in 2003-2004 but returned.

The FBI has reviewed surveillance tapes, interviewed acquaintances and checked Hinrichs’ purchases.

The FBI also looked at possible ties to Islamic groups after learning Hinrichs’ roommate is from Pakistan, attended a nearby mosque and worked for the OU athletics department, The Oklahoman has learned.

Hinrichs and the roommate, Fazal M. Cheema, a finance major, lived together only a few months at Parkview Apartments.

Cheema and three other Muslim students were led, handcuffed, from a party by police after the blast, said Ashraf Hussein, president of the Muslim Student Association. They later were released.

*Cheema is “a really, really nice guy,” Hussein said. Cheema could not be reached for comment. *

The dead student’s father, Joel Hinrichs Jr., said he told the FBI on Tuesday his son was skeptical of ideology.

“Joe would have become a Muslim fanatic when pigs fly,” the father said.

At a campus news conference, Boren said, “Law enforcement officers ... have assured me they thoroughly questioned every student, every person living in proximity to him, and they have held none of them under any suspicion.”

The FBI released a similar statement Tuesday, saying “at this time there is no known threat from any other persons related to this incident.”

The FBI also said: “There is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organizations or activities.”

His father and friends said Hinrichs was not a football fan and would not have attended the game ordinarily. Boren said the FBI was reviewing tapes from inside and around the stadium.

“Up to this point in time, no one has seen him trying to get into the game,” Boren said.

One OU senior, Adam Smith, of Oklahoma City, however, said a stadium guard Saturday night told him “a guy had sprinted off” outside Gate 6 after refusing to let his backpack be searched.

There have been reports Hinrichs had a backpack with him when the bomb went off.

The FBI also is checking a report that Hinrichs tried to purchase ammonium nitrate last week from the Ellison Feed and Seed store in Norman.

The store did not carry any. Ammonium nitrate can be used to make bombs and was a key ingredient in the 1995 Oklahoma City attack.

Hinrichs’ father said the FBI told him the bomb his son had was made of hydrogen peroxide. He said the FBI told him more high-density hydrogen peroxide was found in the apartment.

Contributing: Staff Writers Jay Marks, Susan Simpson, Jane Cannon and Ty McMahan[/QUOTE]

Now com'mon people. Coverup. Nooooh. Does it look like we're covering up something. Noooh. Cheema was just "a really nice guy". Hinrichs was just a little depressed. Probably a real nice guy too. He was just trying to buy ammonium nitrate as fertilizer to grow flowers. His own Dad, who obviously was in such close emotional contact with him, says he wouldn't become a Muslim. Do Dad's lie. Who are all these people that say he had muslim ties, just because he had Muslim roommates and was observed at the Mosque a lot [I]by somebody[/I]. (Although of course nobody now remembers seeing him there, or for that matter seems to ever remember seeing him anywhere).

Coverup? Nooooooh Sireee. In Oklahoma, everyone is just too nice to do something like that.

Okiereddust

2005-10-07 22:22 | User Profile

[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]If this guy was identified so quickly because of the cops actions, why was it originally reported that it was a distraught and depressed student just commiting suicide? Who's doing the covering up? Or is that just our crack journalists at their finest?[/QUOTE]BTW, check the latest update at Josey Wales website

[QUOTE]The Northeast Intelligence Network has received exclusive information from reliable law enforcement sources that the explosion that killed 21 year-old O.U. student Joel Henry HINRICHS III was to be much larger and was part of a much more deadly planned attack targeting the fans in the packed stadium. In the style reminiscent of the blast at the Murrah building that killed 171 people on 19 April 1995, it was also confirmed that HINRICHS attempted to purchase a large quantity of the fertilizer ammonium nitrate, the very same compound that was used in the Ryder truck bomb just miles from where the Murrah building once stood, and a favorite bomb component used by Middle Eastern terrorists.

”It appears that HINRICHS was part of a larger plan that included members of an Islamic terrorist cell based in and around the Norman and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma area. As a Caucasian, it was much easier for him to obtain the materials needed to create a large bomb, act in concert with members of the local terrorist cell, and strike when relative calm was the word of the day,” stated this source.

The source added: “Federal authorities are investigating HINRICH’S roommates, friends and companions, some from Pakistan, who were on a watch list of potential terrorists in that area. Sources of funding and financing are also under investigation, and arrests are very possible. Thankfully, more than a few things went wrong, but the failed plan left HINRICHS holding the bag in the end – literally,” added this source. “Otherwise, we could have had a bombing on the scale of Oklahoma City in 1995.” ..........................

(Uh only one thing wrong here. There were just 900 people in the Murrah building. There were 80,000 people at the stadium)

.......When you are finished, you will see that the current pattern of journalism in the major media is perilously deficient in anything resembling investigative reporting and suffering from a potentially terminal case of political correctness. [B]We can be thankful, however, for those tireless individuals who place patriotism over politics, integrity and character over smoke and mirrors, and who persistently shine the beacon of truth amid a smokescreen of omissions.[/B] [url]http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

Faust

2005-10-08 01:09 | User Profile

Okiereddust,

Something not right about this; hydrogen peroxide is not an explosive. It is used in the making of some explosives. Maybe they just do want to give any details.

[QUOTE]Hinrichs’ father said the FBI told him the bomb his son had was made of hydrogen peroxide. He said the FBI told him more high-density hydrogen peroxide was found in the apartment.[/QUOTE]

Okiereddust

2005-10-08 02:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Faust]Okiereddust,

Something not right about this; hydrogen peroxide is not an explosive. It is used in the making of some explosives. Maybe they just do want to give any details.[/QUOTE]Actually it was a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and acetone. An extremely volatile mixture.

They aren't giving much of the details obviously, but I would suspect to have anyone walking around with this type of mixture would make anyone nervous, even if they had no deliberate intention of blowing someone up. Imagine someone dragging nitroglycerin around.

I read today the last thing they saw of his guy was asleep on a bench. Sort of more like he was waiting for someone than preparing to blow himself up. Which makes some sense to me.

I see the fine hand of Boren, former chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee, putting a lid on this thing.

jay

2005-10-09 01:52 | User Profile

Well, with the beloved OU football team off to a 2-3 start, I guess he couldn't take any more!

Faust

2005-10-11 00:17 | User Profile

Okiereddust

[QUOTE]Actually it was a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and acetone. An extremely volatile mixture.[/QUOTE]

Odd there are much safer things one could use as an explosive.

One does wonder what was going on in this odd case.

Okiereddust

2005-10-11 02:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Faust]One does wonder what was going on in this odd case.[/QUOTE]One certainly does wonder. And the obvious urgency of the authorities to downplay the significance of this really makes you wonder.

In addition, he had other explosive materials with him nearby. There are all sorts of things we haven't heard an adequate explanation on. I don't think you have to be a tin-foiler to suspect something is up here, but we'll probably neber know the full story. Do you think the fed's are going to want to admit, basically, that a terrorist plot got a large bomb within 100 feet of the entrance to a stadium with 80,000 people in it, and several members of the group remain at large/unpunished/unapprehended? :ph34r:

BlueBonnet

2005-10-11 03:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]One certainly does wonder. And the obvious urgency of the authorities to downplay the significance of this really makes you wonder.

In addition, he had other explosive materials with him nearby. There are all sorts of things we haven't heard an adequate explanation on. I don't think you have to be a tin-foiler to suspect something is up here, but we'll probably neber know the full story. Do you think the fed's are going to want to admit, basically, that a terrorist plot got a large bomb within 100 feet of the entrance to a stadium with 80,000 people in it, and several members of the group remain at large/unpunished/unapprehended? :ph34r:[/QUOTE] I can just see the TV movie of the week. Columbo thwarts a terroists attack at a major university, he shoots the attackers bomb and blows the attacker up just before entering the stadium.

Okiereddust

2005-10-11 04:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]I can just see the TV movie of the week. Columbo thwarts a terroists attack at a major university, he shoots the attackers bomb and blows the attacker up just before entering the stadium.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's going to come out any time soon. Football execs and college prez's would complain it might hurt attendance.

Texas Dissident

2005-10-11 07:00 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Do you think the fed's are going to want to admit, basically, that a terrorist plot got a large bomb within 100 feet of the entrance to a stadium with 80,000 people in it, and several members of the group remain at large/unpunished/unapprehended? :ph34r:[/QUOTE]

Couple that with the way those Sooners are playing lately and I sure wouldn't want to be in Oklahoma these days.

weisbrot

2005-10-11 12:41 | User Profile

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« BREAKING NEWS: Goody's sold | Main | Keep it simple » October 06, 2005

The University of Oklahoma bombing story

TN Bloggers Bob Krumm, Bill Hobbs and John Norris Brown have all said there's been a lack of mainstream media coverage of last weekends "suicide" bombing near the Oklahoma/Kansas State football game.

"The mainstream media have been curiously silent on this story," Brown blogged.

Fair enough. All three are reasonable and responsible bloggers and you should visit them if you don't. Also, the blogosphere is a great place for anyone, not just the MSM, to learn all kinds of information.

So I decided to do a LexisNexis search using the bombers last name, "hinrich," and "oklahoma."

I found 45 entries, including the Associated Press, CNN, the NYT, the Chicago Tribune, the Rocky Mountain News, the Denver Post, the St. Louis Dispatch, USA Today and some smaller papers. Likely there are other stories because if memory serves initial reports did not include the person's name.

Still, that seems like a small number so I did a comparison using "miers" and "court." The bombing was Saturday, Miers' nomination was Monday. LN would not return the listings on my Miers search because they totaled more than 1,000.

Certainly Bush's nomination has been the story of the week. But a bombing 100 yards from a football stadium with all kinds of various implications is not your usual story. You can judge for yourself but it seems to me the blogging boys have a point.

Posted by Michael Silence at October 6, 2005 09:46 AM

weisbrot

2005-10-11 12:53 | User Profile

National Campus Crusade for Islam? Copycat engineer wonks?

Anyone else heard about GA Tech? From news reports it looks like the devices were fairly small; video showed a two-liter bottle that had been melted and mangled but still partially intact, and identified as the bottle that had exploded. Still, the local LE went hard on the "terrorist" angle. The bottle bombs at Tech sound miniscule in comparison to those in Norman, so my money is on copycat thrillseekers.

There has been little or nothing on local media reporting the Oklahoma bombs that I've seen, and nothing connecting these two incidents.

[url]http://www.townhall.com/blogs/c-log/MaryKatharineHam/story/2005/10/05/159555.html[/url]

UPDATE: Oklahoma Suicide Bomber Oct 5 2005 06:05 PM

By MaryKatharineHam

Michelle Malkin had a few new notes on her entry this morning, including this story on Hinrich's Pakistani roommate, who was led from a party in cuffs shortly after the bomb detonated.

Mark Tapscott talked to Hinrich's neighbor and found some interesting details about the inventory of Hinrich's car and the state of the bomb site.

A Lincoln Town Car believed driven by OU Suicide Bomber Joel Henry Hinrichs III remains in the parking lot of the apartment where he lived and a U.S. Department of Justice inventory of the contents found by law enforcement officials is visible on the seat, Tapscott's Copy Desk has learned.

[B]Among the items listed on the inventory are "13 plastic bottles" in the trunk. [/B] The inventory did not note if there was anything in the bottles, their size or coloration.

[url]http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=70306[/url]

[B]Explosives Found Near GA Tech Dorms[/B]

Last Modified: 10/10/2005 10:01:40 PM

Three explosive devices found in a courtyard between two Georgia Tech dormitories on the East Campus Monday morning were part of a "terrorist act," an Atlanta police official said.

One of the devices exploded, injuring the custodian who found them inside a plastic bag. Two others were detonated by a bomb squad.

The custodian suffered ringing to the ears and was treated at a local hospital. The events led to a temporary evacuation Monday morning.

"It is a terrorist act at this point and depending on the outcome of the investigation it potentially could become a federal violation as well," said Major C.W. Moss of the Atlanta Police Department.

Under Georgia state law, a terroristic act is described as the release of a "hazardous substance," specifically for "the purpose of causing the evacuation of a building" with "reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror."

The custodian found the three devices about 9 a.m. in a plastic-type garbage bag, Moss said. When he picked up the bag, one exploded, as it was designed to do when handled. [B]The explosives were made up of chemicals placed inside plastic bottles[/B] and could have seriously injured someone, officials said. Numerous agencies were on the Georgia Tech campus to search for suspects.

"It will be a joint investigation between the Atlanta Police Department, the Georgia Tech Police Department, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Every possible lead will be followed," said Major Moss.

About 100 students were evacuated from the Cloudman and Glenn dormitories, according to school spokeswoman Amelia Gambino.

Okiereddust

2005-10-15 17:37 | User Profile