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Thread ID: 20479 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2005-10-01
2005-10-01 15:56 | User Profile
[I]I'll leave it up to you, Original Dissenter, to ponder and wonder over the shining comments from our #1 Affirmative Action Secretary of State, since her latest droppings left me speechless....and gagging. Surely we're doomed when our "top" people are believing in such mind-boggling absurdities.[/I]
[B][SIZE=3]Rice defends use of force[/SIZE][/B]
From correspondents in Washington 01oct05
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice overnight defended the use of military force to advance the cause of democracy and liberty as "the only guarantee of true stability and lasting security".
"In a world where evil is still very real, democratic principles must also be backed with power in all its forms: political and economic, cultural and moral, and yes, sometimes military," Ms Rice said in a speech at Princeton University in the north eastern state of New Jersey.
Alluding to countries such as Germany and France that opposed the US-led invasion of Iraq, Ms Rice said: "Any champion of democracy who promotes principles without power can make no real difference in the lives of oppressed people."
Appointed as the top US diplomat by President George W. Bush after his 2004 re-election, Ms Rice sought to justify US military action as part of an effort to promote democracy in the Middle East and defuse terrorist threats.
"If you believe, as I do and as President Bush does, that the root cause of September 11 was the violent expression of a global extremist ideology, an ideology rooted in the oppression and despair of the modern Middle East, then we must seek to remove the very source of this terror by transforming that total region," she said.
While popular support for the US presence in Iraq is deteriorating and some experts are warning that Iraq could descend into civil war, Ms Rice said that Bush administration's approach would create more stability in the long term.
"Some would argue that this broad approach to the problem is making the world less stable by rocking the boat and wrecking the status quo. But this presumes the existence of a stable status quo that does not threaten global security. This is not the case."
"We must recognise, as we do in every other region of the world, that liberty and democracy are the only guarantees of true stability and lasting security."
Ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, who Ms Rice described as "a monster," simply "could not be a part of anyone's vision for a better Middle East."
The path to a peaceful Iraq however "is made more difficult by the brutal insurgency" in that country.
"This is not some grassroots coalition of national resistance. These are merciless killers who want to provoke nothing less than a full-scale civil war among Muslims across the entire Middle East. And having done so, they would build an empire of terror and oppression," she said.
Withdrawing soon from Iraq is not an option, she said.
"If we quit now ... we will make America more vulnerable. If we abandon future generations in the Middle East to despair and terror, we also condemn future generations in the United States to insecurity and fear," she said.
[url]http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16779482%255E1702,00.html[/url]
2005-10-01 16:18 | User Profile
XM,
Goes right along with the Condi/Bill quote I have.
It seems that the more problems the claque of criminals known as the Bush Administration have, whether foreign or domestic, the more delusional and dumber they get. It's like they live in a parallel universe. [QUOTE]"If we quit now ... we will make America more vulnerable. If we abandon future generations in the Middle East to despair and terror, we also condemn future generations in the United States to insecurity and fear," she said.[/QUOTE] Too late, you halfwit. For people who supposedly have studied history you haven't learned anything. You should have thought about this before you ran head first into a hornet's nest, dragging the rest of us along.
2005-10-01 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
Too late, you halfwit. For people who supposedly have studied history you haven't learned anything. You should have thought about this before you ran head first into a hornet's nest, dragging the rest of us along.[/QUOTE]
Halfwit?! You insult true halfwits like me! She's a quarter-wit!
2005-10-02 16:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Alluding to countries such as Germany and France that opposed the US-led invasion of Iraq, Ms Rice said: "Any champion of democracy who promotes principles without power can make no real difference in the lives of oppressed people." [/QUOTE] OK, so she's a PhD, and that means she allegedly took courses in reasoning and logic in the course of preparing her Master's Thesis and Doctoral Dissertation.
While her sound byte rings true, it does not necessarily follow that force is the tool of choice for all attempts to spread "democracy." I wonder if she ever studied a thing called the strategy of containment, used by her own country and its allies to subdue an Imperial Power known as the USSR.
Rhetoric of this sort is puzzling. Either she doesn't know any better, which means she is unqualified for her job, or she knows better and is trying to see how many people buy this line. That's insulting to the intelligence of even modestly educated people.
AE
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] [size=3]Rice defends use of force[/size]
"If we quit now ... we will make America more vulnerable. If we abandon future generations in the Middle East to despair and terror, we also condemn future generations in the United States to insecurity and fear," she said. [url="http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16779482%255E1702,00.html"]http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16779482%255E1702,00.html[/url][/QUOTE] Wait a minute. We left the ragheads in "despair and terror" for three generations at the hands of their own social forms, and America just moseyed along and got richer. They are the dealier for our petroleum habit now, and so have widened their horizons in spreading their world view. She's not even fitting her comments to the facts as recorded by history. She conveniently ignores the Israel factor, of course, which is a constant irritant to many in that part of the world. Methinks she could use an old adage:
"Better to seem a fool, and remain silent, then open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
AE
2005-10-02 19:34 | User Profile
AE,
She's an accomplished liaress, for sure. Speaking of lying, did you see Abizaid this morning on Meet the Press or any of those talking head shows?
2005-10-02 21:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]AE,
She's an accomplished liaress, for sure. Speaking of lying, did you see Abizaid this morning on Meet the Press or any of those talking head shows?[/QUOTE] No. Is he being less than candid?
AE
2005-10-02 22:09 | User Profile
AE,
I thought he was for the five minutes I watched before I turned off the tv, cussing. There was a discussion of the number of combat ready "New Iraqi Army" units and troops overall. It seems that at one time they claimed there were three battalions ready. Now, it appears to be one. I'll send you a link to the transcript when they post it for I am curious for your take. I hope he took a long shower when he was done.