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2005-10-01 00:28 | User Profile

Taylor vs. Sailer—Survival v. "Citizenism"


[Peter Brimelow writes: I’ve said before that Steve Sailer is under the characteristically innocent impression that he is the house moderate here at VDARE.COM, although he gets us into more trouble than any other single writer because of his subject matter. Here Jared Taylor proves Steve is indeed a moderate, by arguing that his ideal of a color-blind civic consciousness is not practical in an America that is being rapidly transformed by public policy. This is a serious debate—which means you won’t find it anywhere except VDARE.COM. Jared and Steve last debated on California’s Racial Preference Initiative, here and here. Steve will reply on Sunday night.]


By Jared Taylor


In what passes for political debate today there is so little in the way of principles that it is almost a compliment for someone to say, as Steve Sailer did in his September 18 VDARE.COM column The Color Of Crime And The New Orleans Nightmare: George W. Bush vs. Jared Taylor, that he disagrees with mine.


Discussing the futility of uplift programs that ignore the realities of race and IQ, Mr. Sailer mentioned my foundation’s recent report, The Color of Crime and predicted that the Mainstream Media would ignore it both because the contents are true and because I could be described as a "white nationalist."


It was at this point that Mr. Sailer evoked principle. He conceded that all other races except whites unashamedly promote their own interests. But he pronounced himself in favor of "citizenism," or acting "in the best overall interests of the current citizens of the United States."


He then explained that because it "is so unnatural [to work for the interests of a haphazard collection of people rather than one’s own kin], it’s the least destructive and most uplifting form of allegiance humanly possible on an effective scale."


I am staggered that the usually hard-headed Mr. Sailer should promote something precisely because it is unnatural. "Citizenism" has an eerie resemblance to Marx’s "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." The goal of communism was to abolish selfishness and build a classless society in which all members would behave unnaturally, putting the public interest before their own. Very uplifting, to be sure—and the cause of untold horror.


Societies cannot be built on mistaken assumptions about human nature. "Citizenism" assumes that race can be made not to matter, and that citizens will set aside parochial ethnic interests for the good of all. This is as grievous a misreading of human nature as was Marx’s assumption that selfishness could be made to disappear.


Perhaps I should offer a correction: It is a misreading of non-white human nature. The whole idea of the Civil Rights Movement was for everyone to dismantle racial consciousness and become a happy band of brother/citizens. American whites made a genuine effort at this—at least they passed legislation and struck public poses consistent with it—but no one else did. When whites abandoned their collective interests it was unilateral disarmament. Every other group rushed to exploit this weakness.


Mr. Sailer’s rejection of racial consciousness for whites is inexplicable in light of what he understands about race. He knows the races are not equal or equivalent, and do not build the same kinds of societies. He knows non-whites make endless demands based on spurious claims of "racism," which they claim accounts for their own failures. He has even described race as a form of extended family, which means it is the largest group to which humans feel instinctive loyalty.


Given this clarity of thought—a clarity that sets Mr. Sailer apart from 99.9 percent of people who would call themselves "conservative"—what course of action would he propose for white people?


Continue to preach "citizenism" when no one else practices it?


Continue to fill the country with people who do not hesitate to advance their interests—material, cultural, and biological—at the expense of whites?


Continue to act only as individuals in the face of organized dispossession?


Presumably, since he writes about it so much, Mr. Sailer wants all Americans to understand the association between race and IQ. But this would represent a revolution in racial thinking that would knock the already-rickety props out from under anything so unnatural (but uplifting) as non-racial "citizenism."


Let us assume that Mr. Sailer has his way, and the facts about race and IQ become widely accepted. Whites now fully understand that blacks and Hispanics can never, in the aggregate, become like white people. They will always bring crime, bad schools, and more social costs for which "citizens" must pay.


Whites also now understand that Asians, in the aggregate, will take the best jobs, fill the best universities, and if enough of them immigrate, perhaps even form a ruling elite.


And no matter how hard Mr. Sailer promotes it, "citizenism" just doesn’t catch on with non-whites. Blacks and Hispanics continue to promote interests that cannot be reconciled with those of whites, and even Asians catch the spirit of tribalism.


Will whites still put uplift over survival?


Mr. Sailer’s other objection to white racial consciousness has nothing to do with principles: He just thinks it won’t attract many people any time soon.


It is true that today’s race-liberal white elites preen themselves on their fashionable views while keeping their own lives almost entirely free of non-whites. This kind of isolation will be harder for their children and impossible for their grandchildren. More and more whites are beginning to understand this.


However, this brings us to an inconsistency in Mr. Sailer’s views. He implicitly concedes that more whites will think in terms of race as they become minorities. But why should becoming a minority make any difference?


I think Mr. Sailer would agree that it is because non-whites will fashion a society that reflects their genetic endowments—not those of whites—and whites will not like that society.


Why should whites persist in "citizenism" until their country has been transformed beyond recognition—and switch to racial consciousness only when they may no longer have the numbers necessary to salvage their society?


Every day that whites practice "citizenism" while non-whites fortify the racial ramparts makes it that much less likely that future generations of whites will have a society that reflects their heritage, their culture, their folkways, and their aspirations.


The nightmare ending for a white minority is already playing itself out in Zimbabwe, where whites have no rights, and will eventually be driven out or slaughtered. In another decade or three, South African whites will face the same choice.


Can anyone guarantee that the fate of a dwindling white minority in America—or in Britain or France or Holland—would be any less grim?


We are dicing with the future of our country and with the very lives of our children and grandchildren.


Whites still have the power to save their civilization and to ensure their own survival as a distinct people. They will use this power only if they throw off the mental shackles of an unnatural and unreciprocated "citizenism."


Jared Taylor (email him) is editor of American Renaissance and the author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America. (For Peter Brimelow’s review, click here.) --- ### TheMissouriDandy *2005-10-03 07:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/1811) "Survival" vs Citizenship? I'd say it's more like one vague concept vs another. The "Citizenship" Sailer espouses is so poorly sketched out that I don't think we can even discuss it intelligently. I've read a lot of Taylor's stuff, but I don't believe I've ever seen anything where he lays out any hard plans for the future of white nationalism. Does anyone know otherwise? Amren, as a group, tends to stress race as the be all and end all of human existence, which is something I don't agree with at all. We can only stare into each other's blue eyes for so long before more important things come up. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-10-03 08:14* | [User Profile](/od/user/29)

By Steve Sailer

When Peter Brimelow asked for my opinion of Jared Taylor's white nationalist critique of me, I was reminded that out of the hundreds of thousands of words I write each year, I devote relatively few to ideologizing and exhorting—the main stock in trade of so many writers more popular than me.

I've always been more interested in reality than morality.

I think I have a certain knack for coming up with new insights into how the world works. Yet, at least by the self-confident standards of opinion journalists, I'm not all that strongly motivated to proclaim how it should work.

I have the personality of a born staff man. My natural predilection is to lay out the logical alternatives in a situation rather than to either make the decisions myself or to propagandize the masses.

I was struck by that again when the absurd Bill Bennett Brouhaha broke out last week, because I had indirectly set it off many years ago. [Vdare.com note: not this Bennett Brouhaha, this one.]

All last month, ever since the New Orleans Nightmare became evident on September 1st, the hysteria built among the political and media elite over which of them would crack first and mention the elephant in the living room: that blacks have higher average crime rates.

Finally, it has burst forth in a spasm of irrational and self-righteous denunciations of former Education Secretary William J. Bennett.

The triviality of the triggering incident reflects the tensions bottled up within the media.

On Bennett's talk radio show, a caller claimed that legalized abortion damaged Social Security's financial health. The pro-life Bennett doesn't like pragmatic arguments against abortion, feeling abortion should be opposed even if it had positive effects. As an example of how the caller's approach could be turned against anti-abortion activists, Bennett cited economist Steven D. Levitt's popular theory (in his bestseller Freakonomics) that legalizing abortion had cut the crime rate.

First, Bennett expressed skepticism over Levitt's claim. But then he issued a logically impeccable reductio ad absurdum:

"But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could—if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

Bennett was immediately roasted alive by the Great and the Good. Many of them fraudulently claimed Bennett had endorsed genocide.

Bennett's real crime: he had indirectly alluded to the unmentionable fact of African-American above-average crime rates.

I felt a little responsible for his plight. According to Bennett, he had been introduced to the abortion-cut-crime theory six years ago in a debate in Slate.com between Levitt and myself.

Funny thing— although I am constantly being accused of being a "eugenicist" (despite my long record of expressing strong concerns about eugenics), for half a dozen years I have been perhaps the leading opponent of Levitt's crypto-eugenic logic.

Levitt argued in his 2001 article with John J. Donohue:

"Fertility declines for black women are three times greater than for whites (12 percent compared to 4 percent). Given that homicide rates of black youths are roughly nine times higher than those of white youths, racial differences in the fertility effects of abortion are likely to translate into greater homicide reductions."

My objection to Levitt's racial eugenic argument is not on moral grounds, but on factual ones. In the real world, the direct opposite of his theory's predictions actually happened: the first cohort born after abortion was legalized in 1970-73 grew up to be the most violent teens in recent American history, with a homicide rate triple the last cohort born before abortion was legalized. Among African-American 14-17 year-olds, the murder rate more than quadrupled.

But what I've learned in the six years that I've been diligently punching empirical holes in Levitt's theory is that virtually nobody, on either the pro-choice or pro-life sides of the enormous debate over abortion, cares about facts.

Both sides mostly want Levitt's theory to be true. Many pro-lifers want to feel virtuous for opposing legalized abortion even though it makes them safer from crime.

In contrast to the hundreds of hours I've spent digging up the facts about abortion's impact on crime, I've seldom offered a strong opinion on the morality of abortion. That's because I've never noticed that I had much that's unique to contribute on the question.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion on morals, and I don't see any reason that mine should count for more than other people's do.

What moral principles I do frequently promote tend to be basic ones. For example, as a journalist writing for a fairly elite audience of adults, my code is simple in the extreme:

Tell the truth.

And that's Bill Bennett just did.

[VDARE.COM note: Steve originally added another couple of thousand words replying to Jared Taylor. We'll thriftily save them for next week.]

[Steve Sailer [email him], is founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute and movie critic for The American Conservative. His website www.iSteve.com features site-exclusive commentaries.]

--- ### JoseyWales *2005-10-03 12:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/1066) [QUOTE=TheMissouriDandy] I've read a lot of Taylor's stuff, but I don't believe I've ever seen anything where he lays out any hard plans for the future of white nationalism. Does anyone know otherwise? Amren, as a group, tends to stress race as the be all and end all of human existence, which is something I don't agree with at all. We can only stare into each other's blue eyes for so long before more important things come up.[/QUOTE] I uderstand what you are saying. However, I think that is better left to someone else or some other effort(s). I personally think Mr. Taylor is one of the best writers out there(certainly there are others) and I use his articles to give to friends who may be of the "fence-sitter" category. The traditional media outlets and websites dont involve Taylor much, but when they do, it causes a lot of mayhem and neocon hand-wringing. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-10-03 17:38* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE]Mr. Sailer’s other objection to white racial consciousness has nothing to do with principles: He just thinks it won’t attract many people any time soon.


It is true that today’s race-liberal white elites preen themselves on their fashionable views while keeping their own lives almost entirely free of non-whites. This kind of isolation will be harder for their children and impossible for their grandchildren. More and more whites are beginning to understand this.


However, this brings us to an inconsistency in Mr. Sailer’s views. He implicitly concedes that more whites will think in terms of race as they become minorities. But why should becoming a minority make any difference?

    [/QUOTE]Interesting, why should becoming a minority make any difference? This is something from a practical point of view, Taylor doesn't understand either, nor do a lot of the Stormfronters.

If whites won't do anything while they're in the majority, who says they will in the minority?

A little hint to Taylor: Maybe one reason whites won't act is they, having that strong conservative citizenship impulse that he notes, are reluctant to move against their "elites" without an good explanation of why the elites they tend to put continue to support (as good patriotic citizens tend to do)are no longer trustworthy. Something Taylor himself can't bring himself to mention here, or even tries to articulate, referring to Francis. Francis at least publically and very strongly warned about the neo-conservatives. Has anyone ever heard Taylor do the same?